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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 15, 2016 17:49:59 GMT -6
Seriously man, two different things under one post. Initially, I was just agreeing with attila about publics being willing to accept the idea of fewer classes/playoff teams simply because it had been that way prior to 5A being added. However, I didn't say that's what I wanted to see. At this time, though, I am not for smaller brackets just because of a regular season split. However, if things were the way I wanted them to be where there was a complete split, then smaller brackets would be necessary. so we had 221 nonselect teams last year... it should be 45, 44, 44, 44, 44 for a level playing field (or 56, 55, 55, 55) instead it was 53, 51, 52, 37, 28. Fix that. selects had 73 teams. instead of 10, 12, 21, 30, it should have been either 19, 18, 18, 18; or 25, 24, 24 yes, if the split is done right, districts don't have to correspond to playoff classes... Cannot do that, it is in violation of the Constitution and By-laws. You are classifying by divisions instead of class and that makes the Divisions a new class. But the by-laws are specific in the number of classes they can have. Oh wait, go ahead do what ever you want just have another vote, the by-laws are a living breathing document that can be changed by a 50.01% Whim......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 19:27:01 GMT -6
When did the publics vote for that? When they voted the split it was 5 classes they soon changed it to 4. Just like that. Poof! Might want to check your facts...
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jun 16, 2016 1:57:45 GMT -6
so we had 221 nonselect teams last year... it should be 45, 44, 44, 44, 44 for a level playing field (or 56, 55, 55, 55) instead it was 53, 51, 52, 37, 28. Fix that. selects had 73 teams. instead of 10, 12, 21, 30, it should have been either 19, 18, 18, 18; or 25, 24, 24 yes, if the split is done right, districts don't have to correspond to playoff classes... Cannot do that, it is in violation of the Constitution and By-laws. You are classifying by divisions instead of class and that makes the Divisions a new class. But the by-laws are specific in the number of classes they can have. Oh wait, go ahead do what ever you want just have another vote, the by-laws are a living breathing document that can be changed by a 50.01% Whim...... You can classify by anything for the playoffs as long as you have 5 classes in the regular season for forming districts...
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 16, 2016 16:58:41 GMT -6
Cannot do that, it is in violation of the Constitution and By-laws. You are classifying by divisions instead of class and that makes the Divisions a new class. But the by-laws are specific in the number of classes they can have. Oh wait, go ahead do what ever you want just have another vote, the by-laws are a living breathing document that can be changed by a 50.01% Whim...... You can classify by anything for the playoffs as long as you have 5 classes in the regular season for forming districts... 8.1.2 The official titles of the LHSAA classifications shall be Class 5A, Class 4A, Class 3A, Class 2A, Class 1A, Class B, and Class C. Note: There is no official Division classification on classes. 8.2.1 Classification and districting shall be changed in even years to become effective in odd years. Note: The 2015-2016 school year is not a classification and districting year. Note: The constitution only allows changes to classification, there are no divisions. 8.3.1 In a classification year, a school’s classification shall be based on its October 1 total enrollment in grades 9-12 of the current school year as reported to the LDE. Schools shall enter their October 1 enrollment figures as submitted to the LDE on the LHSAA Members’ Only website. School enrollments reported on the LHSAA Members’ Only website shall be considered official for classification purposes. 8.3.2 A school’s classification enrollment shall include all students in grades 9-10-11-12. Each student shall be counted as one (1) regardless of the percentage of hours enrolled. Note: there is no basis for Divisions in the constitution for any Divisions based on enrollment. Yet the LHSAA principals voted to segregate schools by additional Divisions and ignored the classification rule above. Direct violation of the constitution. 8.6.2 The Executive Director’s duties include the following: 1. Conduct meetings to classify and district schools. 2. Verify the classification enrollments of all schools. 3. Divide classifications. 4. Place schools in proper classifications. 5. Schedule classification meetings after noon on the day of the first meeting. 6. Adopt a final plan for the division of schools, subject to approval of the Executive Committee. 7. Consider schools’ requests to compete in certain districts (baseball, basketball, football, outdoor track and field, softball, and volleyball). 8. Place schools in districts in baseball, basketball, football, outdoor track and field, and softball, and volleyball subject to approval of the Executive Committee. 9. Number districts within classifications, subject to approval of the Executive Committee. 10. Adopt a final plan for the districting of schools, subject to approval of the Executive Committee. 11. Adopt a final classification plan, subject to approval of the Executive Committee. note: There is NO provision for a Division in the duties of the Executive Director. HMm........ 8.7.2 Divisions involving two or more classifications may be created by the Executive Committee to provide competition in certain sports. The Executive Committee shall place schools in districts on an annual basis, if necessary. The only divisions that can be created are in sports that do not have enough teams in one classification to compete. It makes no provision for the dilution of any 5 or 7 class sport. Opps, looks like someone did not do their homework. 8.7.4 Schools Competing in Football: 1. Football schools shall be divided into five equal or nearly equal classes. 2. Counting to achieve equal fifths shall begin with the lowest and end with the highest football school enrollment. 3. Schools with equal enrollment that form the dividing line in a classification shall play in the lower classification. 4. In a classification year a school which was a non-football school the preceding year but desires to participate in varsity football the coming season shall notify the Executive Director in writing by October 15 of that year. 5. If a school fails to timely declare to participate in the sport of varsity football, it shall not be allowed to participate in the sport of football at any level for the first year and at the varsity level during the second year of the new classification school years. The school shall not be considered a football school for classification purposes. 6. A school officially declaring in writing to field a varsity football team for the first time shall be required to post a $10,000 bond with the LHSAA prior to being classified a football school. The bond shall remain in effect for the first two years that the school fields a varsity football team and shall be distributed to schools with signed contracts, should the school cancel the scheduled varsity game(s) for any reason. The Executive Director shall determine how the bond money will be distributed to the school(s) affected by the cancellation of a scheduled game. Still NO provision for a segregation based on selection in the constitution. The vote no matter how popular it was, violates the basic tenants of the LHSAA Constitution. These violations needs to be addressed in a court of law. Even if they amend the constitution now, it would ad hoc and illegal. SUE THE B@@@@@@@ds!!!!!!! Just a taste of what's to come......
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Post by eag on Jun 19, 2016 14:23:51 GMT -6
just answer this by saying I disagree with you. It was about leveling the playing field and was the best option. [/quote]
I still don't understand how people feel like removing private schools automagically levels the playing field. The only way that makes sense is if all private schools are better than all similarly sized public schools. The state is absolutely full of examples where this is not true.
Yes, some of the most consistently dominant schools are private. I get that. But some of the most consistently dominant are public as well, and some of the most consistently average programs are private.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 19:26:19 GMT -6
just answer this by saying I disagree with you. It was about leveling the playing field and was the best option. I still don't understand how people feel like removing private schools automagically levels the playing field. The only way that makes sense is if all private schools are better than all similarly sized public schools. The state is absolutely full of examples where this is not true. Yes, some of the most consistently dominant schools are private. I get that. But some of the most consistently dominant are public as well, and some of the most consistently average programs are private. [/quote] Some 1A schools are better than some 5A schools, does this mean we shouldn't segregate schools based on size?
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Post by indy on Jun 19, 2016 20:03:18 GMT -6
just answer this by saying I disagree with you. It was about leveling the playing field and was the best option. I still don't understand how people feel like removing private schools automagically levels the playing field. The only way that makes sense is if all private schools are better than all similarly sized public schools. The state is absolutely full of examples where this is not true. Yes, some of the most consistently dominant schools are private. I get that. But some of the most consistently dominant are public as well, and some of the most consistently average programs are private. Some 1A schools are better than some 5A schools, does this mean we shouldn't segregate schools based on size? [/quote] You can't segregate by size you divide or seperate by size, and that's how it should be done. Segregation is to require, by law or custom, the separation of (an ethnic, racial, religious, or other minority group) from the dominant majority. Which is currently illegal in a court of law.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 20:49:44 GMT -6
I still don't understand how people feel like removing private schools automagically levels the playing field. The only way that makes sense is if all private schools are better than all similarly sized public schools. The state is absolutely full of examples where this is not true. Yes, some of the most consistently dominant schools are private. I get that. But some of the most consistently dominant are public as well, and some of the most consistently average programs are private. Some 1A schools are better than some 5A schools, does this mean we shouldn't segregate schools based on size? You can't segregate by size you divide or seperate by size, and that's how it should be done. Segregation is to require, by law or custom, the separation of (an ethnic, racial, religious, or other minority group) from the dominant majority. Which is currently illegal in a court of law.[/quote] Definition - the action or state of setting someone or something apart from other people or things or being set apart.
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Post by indy on Jun 19, 2016 20:54:53 GMT -6
Some 1A schools are better than some 5A schools, does this mean we shouldn't segregate schools based on size? You can't segregate by size you divide or seperate by size, and that's how it should be done. Segregation is to require, by law or custom, the separation of (an ethnic, racial, religious, or other minority group) from the dominant majority. Which is currently illegal in a court of law. Definition - the action or state of setting someone or something apart from other people or things or being set apart. [/quote] So why doesn't the LHSAA use the term segregation when referencing the split?
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 20, 2016 8:09:37 GMT -6
You can't segregate by size you divide or seperate by size, and that's how it should be done. Segregation is to require, by law or custom, the separation of (an ethnic, racial, religious, or other minority group) from the dominant majority. Which is currently illegal in a court of law. Definition - the action or state of setting someone or something apart from other people or things or being set apart. So why doesn't the LHSAA use the term segregation when referencing the split? [/quote] Segregation becomes illegal when it is government, corporations, organizations or groups of people forcing their will against a specific group. Such as the illegal segregation of private schools based on religion, creed or faith. The LHSAA has segregated based on social class. By placing all private and charter schools into a "select" group and not allowing them to participate in a right by membership to play for their officially stated class championship. It has been done solely for the purpose of punishment of all participants in the hated class. They have done it by fermenting hatred with dishonesty, lies and distortions of records, particularly the record of recruitment and schools who take advantage of the rules. Read the article, it is well written and states it factually. On the other thread.
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Post by eag on Jun 20, 2016 9:29:17 GMT -6
just answer this by saying I disagree with you. It was about leveling the playing field and was the best option. I still don't understand how people feel like removing private schools automagically levels the playing field. The only way that makes sense is if all private schools are better than all similarly sized public schools. The state is absolutely full of examples where this is not true. Yes, some of the most consistently dominant schools are private. I get that. But some of the most consistently dominant are public as well, and some of the most consistently average programs are private. Some 1A schools are better than some 5A schools, does this mean we shouldn't segregate schools based on size? [/quote] [/b]No but it might mean some 1A schools should be playing up. A fair method of establishing competitive balance would take care of that.
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Post by attilathehun on Jun 22, 2016 10:05:05 GMT -6
No. I am not for smaller brackets and fewer championships. No. I am not in favor of splitting districts. So you are in favor with forcing us to play you in the regular seasons but then kicking us out for the playoffs. Seems fair. Actually, I'm not in favor of "forcing you to play" public schools at all. I'm in favor of a two leagues with two governing bodies under the LHSAA umbrella.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jun 22, 2016 10:40:00 GMT -6
So you are in favor with forcing us to play you in the regular seasons but then kicking us out for the playoffs. Seems fair. Actually, I'm not in favor of "forcing you to play" public schools at all. I'm in favor of a two leagues with two governing bodies under the LHSAA umbrella. this would work for everyone if the private schools would get over themselves about a new association...
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 23, 2016 16:52:58 GMT -6
Actually, I'm not in favor of "forcing you to play" public schools at all. I'm in favor of a two leagues with two governing bodies under the LHSAA umbrella. this would work for everyone if the private schools would get over themselves about a new association... This would only work if the private schools were given their autonomy to vote their own rules, thus removed from Public school principal control. As long as private schools remain part of the LHSAA they will never have control over their own destiny the public school principals will not allow it and they will continue their work to minimize and diminish all private schools.
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Post by 40back on Jun 23, 2016 19:41:45 GMT -6
The will of the majority in all cases must prevail.
~Thomas Jefferson~
IT'S THE AMERICAN WAY.
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Post by indy on Jun 24, 2016 5:38:28 GMT -6
The will of the majority in all cases must prevail. ~Thomas Jefferson~ IT'S THE AMERICAN WAY. A house divided against itself cannot stand." I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved — I do not expect the house to fall — but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other. Abraham Lincoln
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 24, 2016 7:18:24 GMT -6
"I worked night and day for twelve years to prevent the war, but I could not. The North was mad and blind, would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came." Jefferson Davis
"There is no grievance that is a fit object of redress by mob law." Abraham Lincoln
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Post by indy on Jun 24, 2016 7:31:39 GMT -6
"I worked night and day for twelve years to prevent the war, but I could not. The North was mad and blind, would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came." Jefferson Davis "There is no grievance that is a fit object of redress by mob law." Abraham Lincoln The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government (LHSAA)and I'm here to help. Ronald Reagan
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Post by indy on Jun 24, 2016 7:38:09 GMT -6
The will of the majority in all cases must prevail. ~Thomas Jefferson~ IT'S THE AMERICAN WAY. Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain
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Post by btown on Jun 24, 2016 8:51:12 GMT -6
The will of the majority in all cases must prevail. ~Thomas Jefferson~ IT'S THE AMERICAN WAY. Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding - albert einstein
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Post by indy on Jun 24, 2016 8:56:53 GMT -6
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding - albert einstein It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. Mark Twain
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Post by btown on Jun 24, 2016 8:58:49 GMT -6
Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding - albert einstein It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. Mark Twain There is hope for you, seems like you are learning. Lol
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Post by indy on Jun 24, 2016 10:11:38 GMT -6
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. Mark Twain There is hope for you, seems like you are learning. Lol Hope for both of us! Lol Better a witty fool than a foolish wit. William Shakespeare
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Post by attilathehun on Jun 27, 2016 7:20:41 GMT -6
To the victor go the spoils - Attilahthehun
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Post by indy on Jun 27, 2016 7:28:17 GMT -6
To the victor go the spoils - Attilahthehun Superficial goals lead to superficial results Attila the Hun
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 27, 2016 7:54:35 GMT -6
To the victor go the spoils - Attilahthehun I pondered all these things, and how men fight and lose the battle, and the thing that they fought for comes about in spite of their defeat, and when it comes turns out not to be what they meant, and other men have to fight for what they meant under another name. William Morris quotes A Pyrrhic Victory that will ultimately place irreparable damage to the LHSAA. You have won the battle, but have you lost the war?
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Post by attilathehun on Jun 28, 2016 8:07:58 GMT -6
The LHSAA will survive. Will LISA Part Deux?
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 29, 2016 5:46:06 GMT -6
The LHSAA will survive. Will LISA Part Deux? Not LISA, She went away due to the failure of the mission of the schools. Segregation. Today, you support segregation because you did not like the results. The schools behind the effort to leave the LHSAA were strong in their support of the LHSAA during the days of LISA. NO Catholic school that was a member of the LHSAA left for LISA because its mission was corrupt and very few protestant or secular private schools built upon racism have survived much less LISA. Today you try to place the need for separation from the LHSAA into the same bowl of injustice that sprang forth LISA. She died an appropriate death a failed attempt to segregate based upon race and hatred. Now, you are leaving some of your most adamant supports of a unified LHSAA to act based upon actions of a biased group, ie the public school principal. A bias based upon similar concepts fraught with lies and misrepresentation. In the end the "character" of those principals will have been found lacking and the LHSAA with never be the same. Of course, it would be politically incorrect to blame the failures of the LHSAA on its true source of failure, instead the scapegoat will always be those that excel. Just as those who demand that GOD and Prayer be removed from school now lament over the bastions of repression those same public schools have become.
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Post by attilathehun on Jun 29, 2016 16:23:10 GMT -6
Hope you don't fall off that soap box, but in structure, it's basically the same: a bunch of "independent" schools who lost and didn't get their way so they start their own league. Just this time, it isn't about race.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jun 29, 2016 23:17:23 GMT -6
Hope you don't fall off that soap box, but in structure, it's basically the same: a bunch of "independent" schools who lost and didn't get their way so they start their own league. Just this time, it isn't about race. except that LISA never represented the better teams in the state... a new association would
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