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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 10, 2016 15:46:20 GMT -6
My ideas for structure of a new football Confederacy:
1. Dump the District. Leave that to by gone eras of the LHSAA they are pretty much a burden anyway these days. 2. Setup one super division of the top flight schools based on competition not size. Include the Catholic League, Baton Rouge and Lafayette CAtholic schools. All the big boys, plus e, JC, Parkview Baptist and maybe Calvary and or Notre Dame. 3. Divide the remaining into up to 3 divisions depending on the total number who join. could be 2 or 3 by enrollment or by regions. 4. Setup system to allow playing up and a requirement to move to new level depending on success factors. 5. Strictly police and monitor recruitment between member schools. Include the death penalty for repetitive aggressive behavior. 6. All unrestricted recruitment for any out of association transfers. 7. Allow full and partial scholarships, but setup a uniform standard for academic success. 8. Set a standard GPA calculation for determining eligibility. Some schools have 10 point scales, some have 6 point scales and even some 4 point scales. Uniformity to not punish those with higher academic standards. 9. Use power ratings to rate schools for playoff position. 16 team bracket. 10. Use playoff brackets that includes a play in week for the lesser schools. 11. No need for zones. 12. Invite any school public, private, lab or magnet willing to play competitive athletics. Once in the association, you must abide agree never to recruit from a member school. 13. Enforce your rules equally with no favoritism. 14. Require a 2/3 majority vote on any changes not a simple majority. 15. TOSS those that chronically violate the rules OUT OF THE ASSOCIATION. 3 strikes within a period of time your out!!! or setup a sliding scale of punishment. Don't just punish the kids, punish the whole school, the coaches and the principals with non participation. And not just a game or two, take away whole seasons, multiple seasons and institute a lifetime ban. Pete Rose.
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Post by indy on Jun 10, 2016 16:29:02 GMT -6
Pending on how many schools but probably only 3 divisions. Biggest 16 including those who opt up, the next 16, then the rest
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Post by eag on Jun 11, 2016 0:45:19 GMT -6
4. Setup system to allow playing up and a requirement to move to new level depending on success factors. 5. Strictly police and monitor recruitment between member schools. Include the death penalty for repetitive aggressive behavior. 12. Invite any school public, private, lab or magnet willing to play competitive athletics. punish the whole school, the coaches and the principals with non participation.
If you do these, I think the rest of the details would be easily set up by the group and I think it would attract a lot of members. That is a template for a fair organization.
I'd add a constitution that has a Board or EC elected by member schools who is then responsible for management of the organization. All policy originates with them and is ratified( or not) by the assembly. Business isn't done by motion from the floor, but by bringing issues to the Board who can then research, consult appropriate experts, and craft policy for the benefit of the organization as a whole. Said policy is ratified by the assembly at open meetings with appropriate discussion, and of course items must be submitted to assembly members by a predetermined time in advance of meetings, say 1 month. You know, like a company is run....
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Post by GUNSLINGER on Jun 11, 2016 8:56:31 GMT -6
Pending on how many schools but probably only 3 divisions. Biggest 16 including those who opt up, the next 16, then the rest I think the 16-16-rest model would create some slight problems in terms of enrollment near the upper end, but I think that's pretty close. Here's what I'd do:Division I - top 16 teams, plus the all girls Catholic schools with over 700 enrollment Division II - the next 32 teams, regardless of being All-Girls or Coed Non-Football Division III - everyone that's left, which would be approx. 37 schools (not counting the 19 MAIS schools that would hopefully join the new league that would sprinkle in over Div II and III) As far as guidelines/rules (with repeating a few others have said that I think are good):
1) no districts, have 11-week regular season (possibly with one built in bye for schools somewhere between weeks 5-8), and then 16-team playoff brackets (if all the MAIS schools joined the association, you could maybe have a 32-team bracket for Division III) 2) no zones, open recruiting of athletes from non-association schools 3) strictly and harshly investigate and punish recruiting within member schools, death penalty for repeat offenders (1st offense: team no playoffs & coaches 1-year suspension, 2nd offense: 2-years no playoffs & coach banned from coaching lifetime) 4) Athletic Directors are the default voting member from each schools (not the principals); if a school doesn't have an AD, then the principal could be the representative (I don't even know of a school without an AD) 5) Amendments and/or all rule change proposals would have to be submitting by Nov. 15th; annual meeting in January; must have 2/3 majority of amendments/changes to pass 6) If member schools allow scholarships, they must meet association guidelines similar to NCAA rules, such as minimum GPA, credits earned, etc. by the recipient to be athletically eligible 7) Speaking of GPAs, athletes required to keep a 2.3 GPA; lower (possibly 2.0 or 1.5) requirement of students classified as 1504/SPED with a SEVERE learning disability (ADD and ADHD don't count) And for people who wan't to gripe about the GPA rule, a 2.3 is the required GPA for NCAA athletic eligibility as of 2016 - why have lower standards than the next natural association in the hierarchy? In my opinion those are not too strict requirements of athletes, if they can't meet those then maybe they need to not play and spend more time studying anyway. After all, the purpose of school is to get educated, not just to play sports - athletics is an EXTRAcurricular activity. Also thought about something like making member schools provide their financial reports for their athletic departments - I'd love to hear people's opinions on that. Here's roughly how the divisions would shake out: Division I
Jesuit Catholic - B.R. Brother Martin St. Paul's Archbishop Rummel Holy Cross St. Thomas More St. Augustine Archbishop Shaw Teurlings Catholic St. Michael the Archangel Vandebilt Catholic White, E.D. Curtis, John Evangel Christian Calvary Baptist St. Joseph's Academy Mt. Carmel Dominican Archbishop Chapelle St. Scholastica Cabrini Academy of Our Lady Division IIUrsuline Academy St. Louis University Lab De La Salle Loyola Prep Notre Dame Episcopal Archbishop Hannan Acad. of Sacred Heart - N.O. St. Charles Catholic - N.I. Haynes Academy Holy Savior Menard St. Mary's Academy Madison Prep St. Thomas Aquinas Newman, Isidore Pope John Paul II Riverside Academy Lusher Charter Parkview Baptist Northlake Christian Dunham Acad. of Sacred Heart - G.C. Ouachita Christian Mentorship Academy Opelousas Catholic McGehee, Louise St. Katharine Drexel Sacred Heart Metairie Park Country Day Christian Life Delhi Charter Lake Charles College Prep Westminster Christian Avoyelles Public Charter Vermilion Catholic Beekman Charter Division IIILafayette Christian Southern Lab Catholic - P.C. Ascension Episcopal Vision Academy Cedar Creek St. Frederick False River St. Martin's Episcopal Episcopal of Acadiana Houma Christian Ascension Catholic Highland Baptist St. John Grace Christian Delta Charter Central Catholic Covenant Christian M.L. King Charter Grambling Ascension Christian Hamilton Christian St. Edmund Crescent City St. Mary's Ecole Classique Family Community Lutheran St. Joseph's - Plaucheville Ridgewood Claiborne Christian Northside Christian First Baptist Christian Family Christian Holy Rosary School Jehovah-Jireh New Living Word Louisiana MAIS schools:Ben's Ford Christian Bowling Green Briarfield Academy Central School (Grand Cane) Central Private (Central) Claiborne Academy Franklin Academy Glenbrook Oak Forest Academy Prairie View Academy River Oaks Riverfield Academy Riverdale Academy Silliman Institute Tallulah Academy Tensas Academy Union Christian Academy University Academy of CENLA
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Post by btown on Jun 11, 2016 12:13:56 GMT -6
Pending on how many schools but probably only 3 divisions. Biggest 16 including those who opt up, the next 16, then the rest I think the 16-16-rest model would create some slight problems in terms of enrollment near the upper end, but I think that's pretty close. Here's what I'd do:Division I - top 16 teams, plus the all girls Catholic schools with over 700 enrollment Division II - the next 32 teams, regardless of being All-Girls or Coed Non-Football Division III - everyone that's left, which would be approx. 37 schools (not counting the 19 MAIS schools that would hopefully join the new league that would sprinkle in over Div II and III) As far as guidelines/rules (with repeating a few others have said that I think are good):
1) no districts, have 11-week regular season (possibly with one built in bye for schools somewhere between weeks 5-8), and then 16-team playoff brackets (if all the MAIS schools joined the association, you could maybe have a 32-team bracket for Division III) 2) no zones, open recruiting of athletes from non-association schools 3) strictly and harshly investigate and punish recruiting within member schools, death penalty for repeat offenders (1st offense: team no playoffs & coaches 1-year suspension, 2nd offense: 2-years no playoffs & coach banned from coaching lifetime) 4) Athletic Directors are the default voting member from each schools (not the principals); if a school doesn't have an AD, then the principal could be the representative (I don't even know of a school without an AD) 5) Amendments and/or all rule change proposals would have to be submitting by Nov. 15th; annual meeting in January; must have 2/3 majority of amendments/changes to pass 6) If member schools allow scholarships, they must meet association guidelines similar to NCAA rules, such as minimum GPA, credits earned, etc. by the recipient to be athletically eligible 7) Speaking of GPAs, athletes required to keep a 2.3 GPA; lower (possibly 2.0 or 1.5) requirement of students classified as 1504/SPED with a SEVERE learning disability (ADD and ADHD don't count) And for people who wan't to gripe about the GPA rule, a 2.3 is the required GPA for NCAA athletic eligibility as of 2016 - why have lower standards than the next natural association in the hierarchy? In my opinion those are not too strict requirements of athletes, if they can't meet those then maybe they need to not play and spend more time studying anyway. After all, the purpose of school is to get educated, not just to play sports - athletics is an EXTRAcurricular activity. Also thought about something like making member schools provide their financial reports for their athletic departments - I'd love to hear people's opinions on that. Here's roughly how the divisions would shake out: Division I
Jesuit Catholic - B.R. Brother Martin St. Paul's Archbishop Rummel Holy Cross St. Thomas More St. Augustine Archbishop Shaw Teurlings Catholic St. Michael the Archangel Vandebilt Catholic White, E.D. Curtis, John Evangel Christian Calvary Baptist St. Joseph's Academy Mt. Carmel Dominican Archbishop Chapelle St. Scholastica Cabrini Academy of Our Lady Division IIUrsuline Academy St. Louis University Lab De La Salle Loyola Prep Notre Dame Episcopal Archbishop Hannan Acad. of Sacred Heart - N.O. St. Charles Catholic - N.I. Haynes Academy Holy Savior Menard St. Mary's Academy Madison Prep St. Thomas Aquinas Newman, Isidore Pope John Paul II Riverside Academy Lusher Charter Parkview Baptist Northlake Christian Dunham Acad. of Sacred Heart - G.C. Ouachita Christian Mentorship Academy Opelousas Catholic McGehee, Louise St. Katharine Drexel Sacred Heart Metairie Park Country Day Christian Life Delhi Charter Lake Charles College Prep Westminster Christian Avoyelles Public Charter Vermilion Catholic Beekman Charter Division IIILafayette Christian Southern Lab Catholic - P.C. Ascension Episcopal Vision Academy Cedar Creek St. Frederick False River St. Martin's Episcopal Episcopal of Acadiana Houma Christian Ascension Catholic Highland Baptist St. John Grace Christian Delta Charter Central Catholic Covenant Christian M.L. King Charter Grambling Ascension Christian Hamilton Christian St. Edmund Crescent City St. Mary's Ecole Classique Family Community Lutheran St. Joseph's - Plaucheville Ridgewood Claiborne Christian Northside Christian First Baptist Christian Family Christian Holy Rosary School Jehovah-Jireh New Living Word Louisiana MAIS schools:Ben's Ford Christian Bowling Green Briarfield Academy Central School (Grand Cane) Central Private (Central) Claiborne Academy Franklin Academy Glenbrook Oak Forest Academy Prairie View Academy River Oaks Riverfield Academy Riverdale Academy Silliman Institute Tallulah Academy Tensas Academy Union Christian Academy University Academy of CENLA Looks like there could be distance issues for games when it comes to basketball, baseball and softball. No issue for Friday night football games but a Tuesday basketball game could be hard.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jun 11, 2016 12:31:10 GMT -6
I think the 16-16-rest model would create some slight problems in terms of enrollment near the upper end, but I think that's pretty close. Here's what I'd do:Division I - top 16 teams, plus the all girls Catholic schools with over 700 enrollment Division II - the next 32 teams, regardless of being All-Girls or Coed Non-Football Division III - everyone that's left, which would be approx. 37 schools (not counting the 19 MAIS schools that would hopefully join the new league that would sprinkle in over Div II and III) As far as guidelines/rules (with repeating a few others have said that I think are good):
1) no districts, have 11-week regular season (possibly with one built in bye for schools somewhere between weeks 5-8), and then 16-team playoff brackets (if all the MAIS schools joined the association, you could maybe have a 32-team bracket for Division III) 2) no zones, open recruiting of athletes from non-association schools 3) strictly and harshly investigate and punish recruiting within member schools, death penalty for repeat offenders (1st offense: team no playoffs & coaches 1-year suspension, 2nd offense: 2-years no playoffs & coach banned from coaching lifetime) 4) Athletic Directors are the default voting member from each schools (not the principals); if a school doesn't have an AD, then the principal could be the representative (I don't even know of a school without an AD) 5) Amendments and/or all rule change proposals would have to be submitting by Nov. 15th; annual meeting in January; must have 2/3 majority of amendments/changes to pass 6) If member schools allow scholarships, they must meet association guidelines similar to NCAA rules, such as minimum GPA, credits earned, etc. by the recipient to be athletically eligible 7) Speaking of GPAs, athletes required to keep a 2.3 GPA; lower (possibly 2.0 or 1.5) requirement of students classified as 1504/SPED with a SEVERE learning disability (ADD and ADHD don't count) And for people who wan't to gripe about the GPA rule, a 2.3 is the required GPA for NCAA athletic eligibility as of 2016 - why have lower standards than the next natural association in the hierarchy? In my opinion those are not too strict requirements of athletes, if they can't meet those then maybe they need to not play and spend more time studying anyway. After all, the purpose of school is to get educated, not just to play sports - athletics is an EXTRAcurricular activity. Also thought about something like making member schools provide their financial reports for their athletic departments - I'd love to hear people's opinions on that. Here's roughly how the divisions would shake out: Division I
Jesuit Catholic - B.R. Brother Martin St. Paul's Archbishop Rummel Holy Cross St. Thomas More St. Augustine Archbishop Shaw Teurlings Catholic St. Michael the Archangel Vandebilt Catholic White, E.D. Curtis, John Evangel Christian Calvary Baptist St. Joseph's Academy Mt. Carmel Dominican Archbishop Chapelle St. Scholastica Cabrini Academy of Our Lady Division IIUrsuline Academy St. Louis University Lab De La Salle Loyola Prep Notre Dame Episcopal Archbishop Hannan Acad. of Sacred Heart - N.O. St. Charles Catholic - N.I. Haynes Academy Holy Savior Menard St. Mary's Academy Madison Prep St. Thomas Aquinas Newman, Isidore Pope John Paul II Riverside Academy Lusher Charter Parkview Baptist Northlake Christian Dunham Acad. of Sacred Heart - G.C. Ouachita Christian Mentorship Academy Opelousas Catholic McGehee, Louise St. Katharine Drexel Sacred Heart Metairie Park Country Day Christian Life Delhi Charter Lake Charles College Prep Westminster Christian Avoyelles Public Charter Vermilion Catholic Beekman Charter Division IIILafayette Christian Southern Lab Catholic - P.C. Ascension Episcopal Vision Academy Cedar Creek St. Frederick False River St. Martin's Episcopal Episcopal of Acadiana Houma Christian Ascension Catholic Highland Baptist St. John Grace Christian Delta Charter Central Catholic Covenant Christian M.L. King Charter Grambling Ascension Christian Hamilton Christian St. Edmund Crescent City St. Mary's Ecole Classique Family Community Lutheran St. Joseph's - Plaucheville Ridgewood Claiborne Christian Northside Christian First Baptist Christian Family Christian Holy Rosary School Jehovah-Jireh New Living Word Louisiana MAIS schools:Ben's Ford Christian Bowling Green Briarfield Academy Central School (Grand Cane) Central Private (Central) Claiborne Academy Franklin Academy Glenbrook Oak Forest Academy Prairie View Academy River Oaks Riverfield Academy Riverdale Academy Silliman Institute Tallulah Academy Tensas Academy Union Christian Academy University Academy of CENLA Looks like there could be distance issues for games when it comes to basketball, baseball and softball. No issue for Friday night football games but a Tuesday basketball game could be hard. another good reason for a grandfather clause... unless you're personally gonna tell kids why games that were okay for years no longer get played
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Post by btown on Jun 11, 2016 12:44:10 GMT -6
Looks like there could be distance issues for games when it comes to basketball, baseball and softball. No issue for Friday night football games but a Tuesday basketball game could be hard. another good reason for a grandfather clause... unless you're personally gonna tell kids why games that were okay for years no longer get played How would this breakdown make thing better for schools like Ecole Classique. That has been one of the arguments that the split did nothing for the smaller private schools and it looks like this breakdown would still leave the smaller private schools swimming with the sharks as it has been stated on other threads.
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Post by eag on Jun 11, 2016 13:45:43 GMT -6
another good reason for a grandfather clause... unless you're personally gonna tell kids why games that were okay for years no longer get played How would this breakdown make thing better for schools like Ecole Classique. That has been one of the arguments that the split did nothing for the smaller private schools and it looks like this breakdown would still leave the smaller private schools swimming with the sharks as it has been stated on other threads. The original post in this thread mentioned a success metric to move teams up. I think that is a major key to a successful organization. It eliminates from the beginning any potential ' unfairness' issues that might arise regardless of what foreseen or unforeseen causes of such accusations might be that's the beauty of it in my mind-- it works all the time in every scenario.
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Post by indy on Jun 11, 2016 14:43:48 GMT -6
another good reason for a grandfather clause... unless you're personally gonna tell kids why games that were okay for years no longer get played How would this breakdown make thing better for schools like Ecole Classique. That has been one of the arguments that the split did nothing for the smaller private schools and it looks like this breakdown would still leave the smaller private schools swimming with the sharks as it has been stated on other threads. 1st. Why u acting like U care? 2nd. For now there is no place in public or private that Ecole Classique wouldnt struggle
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2016 14:46:26 GMT -6
Pending on how many schools but probably only 3 divisions. Biggest 16 including those who opt up, the next 16, then the rest I think the 16-16-rest model would create some slight problems in terms of enrollment near the upper end, but I think that's pretty close. Here's what I'd do:Division I - top 16 teams, plus the all girls Catholic schools with over 700 enrollment Division II - the next 32 teams, regardless of being All-Girls or Coed Non-Football Division III - everyone that's left, which would be approx. 37 schools (not counting the 19 MAIS schools that would hopefully join the new league that would sprinkle in over Div II and III) As far as guidelines/rules (with repeating a few others have said that I think are good):
1) no districts, have 11-week regular season (possibly with one built in bye for schools somewhere between weeks 5-8), and then 16-team playoff brackets (if all the MAIS schools joined the association, you could maybe have a 32-team bracket for Division III) 2) no zones, open recruiting of athletes from non-association schools 3) strictly and harshly investigate and punish recruiting within member schools, death penalty for repeat offenders (1st offense: team no playoffs & coaches 1-year suspension, 2nd offense: 2-years no playoffs & coach banned from coaching lifetime) 4) Athletic Directors are the default voting member from each schools (not the principals); if a school doesn't have an AD, then the principal could be the representative (I don't even know of a school without an AD) 5) Amendments and/or all rule change proposals would have to be submitting by Nov. 15th; annual meeting in January; must have 2/3 majority of amendments/changes to pass 6) If member schools allow scholarships, they must meet association guidelines similar to NCAA rules, such as minimum GPA, credits earned, etc. by the recipient to be athletically eligible 7) Speaking of GPAs, athletes required to keep a 2.3 GPA; lower (possibly 2.0 or 1.5) requirement of students classified as 1504/SPED with a SEVERE learning disability (ADD and ADHD don't count) And for people who wan't to gripe about the GPA rule, a 2.3 is the required GPA for NCAA athletic eligibility as of 2016 - why have lower standards than the next natural association in the hierarchy? In my opinion those are not too strict requirements of athletes, if they can't meet those then maybe they need to not play and spend more time studying anyway. After all, the purpose of school is to get educated, not just to play sports - athletics is an EXTRAcurricular activity. Also thought about something like making member schools provide their financial reports for their athletic departments - I'd love to hear people's opinions on that. Here's roughly how the divisions would shake out: Division I
Jesuit Catholic - B.R. Brother Martin St. Paul's Archbishop Rummel Holy Cross St. Thomas More St. Augustine Archbishop Shaw Teurlings Catholic St. Michael the Archangel Vandebilt Catholic White, E.D. Curtis, John Evangel Christian Calvary Baptist St. Joseph's Academy Mt. Carmel Dominican Archbishop Chapelle St. Scholastica Cabrini Academy of Our Lady Division IIUrsuline Academy St. Louis University Lab De La Salle Loyola Prep Notre Dame Episcopal Archbishop Hannan Acad. of Sacred Heart - N.O. St. Charles Catholic - N.I. Haynes Academy Holy Savior Menard St. Mary's Academy Madison Prep St. Thomas Aquinas Newman, Isidore Pope John Paul II Riverside Academy Lusher Charter Parkview Baptist Northlake Christian Dunham Acad. of Sacred Heart - G.C. Ouachita Christian Mentorship Academy Opelousas Catholic McGehee, Louise St. Katharine Drexel Sacred Heart Metairie Park Country Day Christian Life Delhi Charter Lake Charles College Prep Westminster Christian Avoyelles Public Charter Vermilion Catholic Beekman Charter Division IIILafayette Christian Southern Lab Catholic - P.C. Ascension Episcopal Vision Academy Cedar Creek St. Frederick False River St. Martin's Episcopal Episcopal of Acadiana Houma Christian Ascension Catholic Highland Baptist St. John Grace Christian Delta Charter Central Catholic Covenant Christian M.L. King Charter Grambling Ascension Christian Hamilton Christian St. Edmund Crescent City St. Mary's Ecole Classique Family Community Lutheran St. Joseph's - Plaucheville Ridgewood Claiborne Christian Northside Christian First Baptist Christian Family Christian Holy Rosary School Jehovah-Jireh New Living Word Louisiana MAIS schools:Ben's Ford Christian Bowling Green Briarfield Academy Central School (Grand Cane) Central Private (Central) Claiborne Academy Franklin Academy Glenbrook Oak Forest Academy Prairie View Academy River Oaks Riverfield Academy Riverdale Academy Silliman Institute Tallulah Academy Tensas Academy Union Christian Academy University Academy of CENLA Calvary does not want to play the big dogs! Better put then in D3
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 11, 2016 16:57:00 GMT -6
I think the 16-16-rest model would create some slight problems in terms of enrollment near the upper end, but I think that's pretty close. Here's what I'd do:Division I - top 16 teams, plus the all girls Catholic schools with over 700 enrollment Division II - the next 32 teams, regardless of being All-Girls or Coed Non-Football Division III - everyone that's left, which would be approx. 37 schools (not counting the 19 MAIS schools that would hopefully join the new league that would sprinkle in over Div II and III) As far as guidelines/rules (with repeating a few others have said that I think are good):
1) no districts, have 11-week regular season (possibly with one built in bye for schools somewhere between weeks 5-8), and then 16-team playoff brackets (if all the MAIS schools joined the association, you could maybe have a 32-team bracket for Division III) 2) no zones, open recruiting of athletes from non-association schools 3) strictly and harshly investigate and punish recruiting within member schools, death penalty for repeat offenders (1st offense: team no playoffs & coaches 1-year suspension, 2nd offense: 2-years no playoffs & coach banned from coaching lifetime) 4) Athletic Directors are the default voting member from each schools (not the principals); if a school doesn't have an AD, then the principal could be the representative (I don't even know of a school without an AD) 5) Amendments and/or all rule change proposals would have to be submitting by Nov. 15th; annual meeting in January; must have 2/3 majority of amendments/changes to pass 6) If member schools allow scholarships, they must meet association guidelines similar to NCAA rules, such as minimum GPA, credits earned, etc. by the recipient to be athletically eligible 7) Speaking of GPAs, athletes required to keep a 2.3 GPA; lower (possibly 2.0 or 1.5) requirement of students classified as 1504/SPED with a SEVERE learning disability (ADD and ADHD don't count) And for people who wan't to gripe about the GPA rule, a 2.3 is the required GPA for NCAA athletic eligibility as of 2016 - why have lower standards than the next natural association in the hierarchy? In my opinion those are not too strict requirements of athletes, if they can't meet those then maybe they need to not play and spend more time studying anyway. After all, the purpose of school is to get educated, not just to play sports - athletics is an EXTRAcurricular activity. Also thought about something like making member schools provide their financial reports for their athletic departments - I'd love to hear people's opinions on that. Here's roughly how the divisions would shake out: Division I
Jesuit Catholic - B.R. Brother Martin St. Paul's Archbishop Rummel Holy Cross St. Thomas More St. Augustine Archbishop Shaw Teurlings Catholic St. Michael the Archangel Vandebilt Catholic White, E.D. Curtis, John Evangel Christian Calvary Baptist St. Joseph's Academy Mt. Carmel Dominican Archbishop Chapelle St. Scholastica Cabrini Academy of Our Lady Division IIUrsuline Academy St. Louis University Lab De La Salle Loyola Prep Notre Dame Episcopal Archbishop Hannan Acad. of Sacred Heart - N.O. St. Charles Catholic - N.I. Haynes Academy Holy Savior Menard St. Mary's Academy Madison Prep St. Thomas Aquinas Newman, Isidore Pope John Paul II Riverside Academy Lusher Charter Parkview Baptist Northlake Christian Dunham Acad. of Sacred Heart - G.C. Ouachita Christian Mentorship Academy Opelousas Catholic McGehee, Louise St. Katharine Drexel Sacred Heart Metairie Park Country Day Christian Life Delhi Charter Lake Charles College Prep Westminster Christian Avoyelles Public Charter Vermilion Catholic Beekman Charter Division IIILafayette Christian Southern Lab Catholic - P.C. Ascension Episcopal Vision Academy Cedar Creek St. Frederick False River St. Martin's Episcopal Episcopal of Acadiana Houma Christian Ascension Catholic Highland Baptist St. John Grace Christian Delta Charter Central Catholic Covenant Christian M.L. King Charter Grambling Ascension Christian Hamilton Christian St. Edmund Crescent City St. Mary's Ecole Classique Family Community Lutheran St. Joseph's - Plaucheville Ridgewood Claiborne Christian Northside Christian First Baptist Christian Family Christian Holy Rosary School Jehovah-Jireh New Living Word Louisiana MAIS schools:Ben's Ford Christian Bowling Green Briarfield Academy Central School (Grand Cane) Central Private (Central) Claiborne Academy Franklin Academy Glenbrook Oak Forest Academy Prairie View Academy River Oaks Riverfield Academy Riverdale Academy Silliman Institute Tallulah Academy Tensas Academy Union Christian Academy University Academy of CENLA Calvary does not want to play the big dogs! Better put then in D3 Leave it to Calvary to decide where to play. But I would push Parkview up to the top division. There going to end up there anyway.
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Post by Hortdaddy on Jun 11, 2016 17:00:59 GMT -6
Personally I think D-2 is pretty competitive for a school our size,,,,, Parkview Baptist, Notre Dame, Riverside,,are some good football teams right off the top of my head,,,,,,,,,,,as far as playing big dogs,,,,,,,our non district schedule speaks pretty loudly the last few years. Union Parish, Teurlings Catholic, Byrd just to name some of them. We have played Riverside and Notre Dame. Be interesting to see if this comes about,,,,I was involved with LISA years ago as a player. I would like to see both associations if this came to pass,, make a agreement to play each other in nondistrict games if you wanted to.
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Post by indy on Jun 11, 2016 17:09:57 GMT -6
Personally I think D-2 is pretty competitive for a school our size,,,,, Parkview Baptist, Notre Dame, Riverside,,are some good football teams right off the top of my head,,,,,,,,,,,as far as playing big dogs,,,,,,,our non district schedule speaks pretty loudly the last few years. Union Parish, Teurlings Catholic, Byrd just to name some of them. We have played Riverside and Notre Dame. Be interesting to see if this comes about,,,,I was involved with LISA years ago as a player. I would like to see both associations if this came to pass,, make a agreement to play each other in nondistrict games if you wanted to. I'm not that familiar wit LISA. Do they have any mid to large size schools? Is there 2 year cycle the same as the LHSAA or Mississippi?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2016 20:04:01 GMT -6
I think a majority of the MAIS schools in Louisiana will/would join a new association - Riverfield and Prairie View Academy have already made the decision to jump if a landing place does come to exist, from what I understand. A hold-up is the fact that some of those MAIS schools are ridiculously small - Briarfield, Franklin, Riverdale, Tallulah and Tensas are eight-man playing schools. Tallulah has the numbers to play eleven, but have chosen to dominate eight-man the past couple years. Do they move without an 8-man option? Central (Grand Cane) does not play football at all - VERY small school. How would it effect those?
I think the MAIS is reading itself for the Louisiana schools to bounce, too. The MAIS has come to an agreement with the Alabama Independent Schools Association, Georgia Independent Schools Association, and South Carolina Indpendent Schools Association to form the Southeastern Commission of Independent Schools (SECIS). They are having a big football event week one with schools from all associations playing in Alabama and are going to start adding championship and all-star events. That provides stability and continued exposure for their base Mississippi schools while lessening the blow of the Louisiana block of schools.
I think the Arkansas schools - only four - will leave the MAIS in the next five years, as well. Two of them are going to wind up consolidating and Arkansas allowing football playing schools to go back to their enrollment class for other sports helps small schools - ie, a school would play 2A football (smallest class in Arkansas) yet could play 1A sports in everything else if their enrollment allowed.
Going to be a lot of change in the region in the next few years, but I think Louisiana and everyone else is going to come out of it ok. Very interested in seeing a return of LISA or something like it.
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Post by btown on Jun 12, 2016 10:58:24 GMT -6
How would this breakdown make thing better for schools like Ecole Classique. That has been one of the arguments that the split did nothing for the smaller private schools and it looks like this breakdown would still leave the smaller private schools swimming with the sharks as it has been stated on other threads. 1st. Why u acting like U care? 2nd. For now there is no place in public or private that Ecole Classique wouldnt struggle I do not just pointing that what ya complained about with the split will happen with this plan. No deference the small private schools are still left out.
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Post by indy on Jun 12, 2016 11:22:11 GMT -6
1st. Why u acting like U care? 2nd. For now there is no place in public or private that Ecole Classique wouldnt struggle I do not just pointing that what ya complained about with the split will happen with this plan. No deference the small private schools are still left out. You do a better job acting like you care than acting intelligent.,geez
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Post by deadman318 on Jun 12, 2016 12:53:45 GMT -6
I think the 16-16-rest model would create some slight problems in terms of enrollment near the upper end, but I think that's pretty close. Here's what I'd do:Division I - top 16 teams, plus the all girls Catholic schools with over 700 enrollment Division II - the next 32 teams, regardless of being All-Girls or Coed Non-Football Division III - everyone that's left, which would be approx. 37 schools (not counting the 19 MAIS schools that would hopefully join the new league that would sprinkle in over Div II and III) As far as guidelines/rules (with repeating a few others have said that I think are good):
1) no districts, have 11-week regular season (possibly with one built in bye for schools somewhere between weeks 5-8), and then 16-team playoff brackets (if all the MAIS schools joined the association, you could maybe have a 32-team bracket for Division III) 2) no zones, open recruiting of athletes from non-association schools 3) strictly and harshly investigate and punish recruiting within member schools, death penalty for repeat offenders (1st offense: team no playoffs & coaches 1-year suspension, 2nd offense: 2-years no playoffs & coach banned from coaching lifetime) 4) Athletic Directors are the default voting member from each schools (not the principals); if a school doesn't have an AD, then the principal could be the representative (I don't even know of a school without an AD) 5) Amendments and/or all rule change proposals would have to be submitting by Nov. 15th; annual meeting in January; must have 2/3 majority of amendments/changes to pass 6) If member schools allow scholarships, they must meet association guidelines similar to NCAA rules, such as minimum GPA, credits earned, etc. by the recipient to be athletically eligible 7) Speaking of GPAs, athletes required to keep a 2.3 GPA; lower (possibly 2.0 or 1.5) requirement of students classified as 1504/SPED with a SEVERE learning disability (ADD and ADHD don't count) And for people who wan't to gripe about the GPA rule, a 2.3 is the required GPA for NCAA athletic eligibility as of 2016 - why have lower standards than the next natural association in the hierarchy? In my opinion those are not too strict requirements of athletes, if they can't meet those then maybe they need to not play and spend more time studying anyway. After all, the purpose of school is to get educated, not just to play sports - athletics is an EXTRAcurricular activity. Also thought about something like making member schools provide their financial reports for their athletic departments - I'd love to hear people's opinions on that. Here's roughly how the divisions would shake out: Division I
Jesuit Catholic - B.R. Brother Martin St. Paul's Archbishop Rummel Holy Cross St. Thomas More St. Augustine Archbishop Shaw Teurlings Catholic St. Michael the Archangel Vandebilt Catholic White, E.D. Curtis, John Evangel Christian Calvary Baptist St. Joseph's Academy Mt. Carmel Dominican Archbishop Chapelle St. Scholastica Cabrini Academy of Our Lady Division IIUrsuline Academy St. Louis University Lab De La Salle Loyola Prep Notre Dame Episcopal Archbishop Hannan Acad. of Sacred Heart - N.O. St. Charles Catholic - N.I. Haynes Academy Holy Savior Menard St. Mary's Academy Madison Prep St. Thomas Aquinas Newman, Isidore Pope John Paul II Riverside Academy Lusher Charter Parkview Baptist Northlake Christian Dunham Acad. of Sacred Heart - G.C. Ouachita Christian Mentorship Academy Opelousas Catholic McGehee, Louise St. Katharine Drexel Sacred Heart Metairie Park Country Day Christian Life Delhi Charter Lake Charles College Prep Westminster Christian Avoyelles Public Charter Vermilion Catholic Beekman Charter Division IIILafayette Christian Southern Lab Catholic - P.C. Ascension Episcopal Vision Academy Cedar Creek St. Frederick False River St. Martin's Episcopal Episcopal of Acadiana Houma Christian Ascension Catholic Highland Baptist St. John Grace Christian Delta Charter Central Catholic Covenant Christian M.L. King Charter Grambling Ascension Christian Hamilton Christian St. Edmund Crescent City St. Mary's Ecole Classique Family Community Lutheran St. Joseph's - Plaucheville Ridgewood Claiborne Christian Northside Christian First Baptist Christian Family Christian Holy Rosary School Jehovah-Jireh New Living Word Louisiana MAIS schools:Ben's Ford Christian Bowling Green Briarfield Academy Central School (Grand Cane) Central Private (Central) Claiborne Academy Franklin Academy Glenbrook Oak Forest Academy Prairie View Academy River Oaks Riverfield Academy Riverdale Academy Silliman Institute Tallulah Academy Tensas Academy Union Christian Academy University Academy of CENLA Calvary does not want to play the big dogs! Better put then in D3 Man, I wish you would think before you post... You don't know what you are talking about and Calvary's first 5 games speak for themselves... Calvary doesn't even have 2A numbers... I heard that they don't even have 60 players on the roster... Attrition and depth is an issue... But you are the expert.... Wow.... Just wow....
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Post by deadman318 on Jun 12, 2016 12:59:09 GMT -6
Oh, and why isn't Notre Dame in Div I??? No one commented on that either... Another wow...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 13:06:06 GMT -6
Calvary does not want to play the big dogs! Better put then in D3 Man, I wish you would think before you post... You don't know what you are talking about and Calvary's first 5 games speak for themselves... Calvary doesn't even have 2A numbers... I heard that they don't even have 60 players on the roster... Attrition and depth is an issue... But you are the expert.... Wow.... Just wow.... Fair enough...I assume they will be in 5A after the next reclass if you are correct, or the biggest class in the new group. This had nothing to do with pre district games. We are talking about what class they chose to be in. You might want to try and stay on topic next time.
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Post by deadman318 on Jun 12, 2016 13:10:17 GMT -6
Again... If they DO NOT have even 2A numbers why would they jump to 5A??? Btw, I was commenting on you saying that they didn't want to play with the big dogs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 13:25:30 GMT -6
Again... If they DO NOT have even 2A numbers why would they jump to 5A??? Btw, I was commenting on you saying that they didn't want to play with the big dogs. They don't want to be in the class with the big dogs. They want to stay in a lower class. I was commenting on them being put in the biggest class above.
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Post by deadman318 on Jun 12, 2016 13:29:27 GMT -6
Again... If they DO NOT have even 2A numbers why would they jump to 5A??? Btw, I was commenting on you saying that they didn't want to play with the big dogs. They don't want to be in the class with the big dogs. They want to stay in a lower class. I was commenting on them being put in the biggest class above. I don't understand how it is necessary to prove that they are good by playing up against teams with 100 man rosters to prove to people like you that they are tough, good, or otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 13:41:20 GMT -6
They don't want to be in the class with the big dogs. They want to stay in a lower class. I was commenting on them being put in the biggest class above. I don't understand how it is necessary to prove that they are good by playing up against teams with 100 man rosters to prove to people like you that they are tough, good, or otherwise. They can play wherever they think is best, I was simply saying I don't think the want to play with the larger schools. The above divisions had them with the big dogs, thus my comment.
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Post by indy on Jun 12, 2016 13:59:11 GMT -6
I don't understand how it is necessary to prove that they are good by playing up against teams with 100 man rosters to prove to people like you that they are tough, good, or otherwise. They can play wherever they think is best, I was simply saying I don't think the want to play with the larger schools. The above divisions had them with the big dogs, thus my comment. Well y'all do have a history of deciding for other people as to where they should play.
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Post by 40back on Jun 12, 2016 15:17:49 GMT -6
They can play wherever they think is best, I was simply saying I don't think the want to play with the larger schools. The above divisions had them with the big dogs, thus my comment. Well y'all do have a history of deciding for other people as to where they should play. The majority should. That's the American way.
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Post by 86namnit on Jun 12, 2016 19:43:01 GMT -6
Well y'all do have a history of deciding for other people as to where they should play. The majority should. That's the American way. And now the minority is figuring out what is their best next move. Yet, this thread is full of pro split guys offering opinions and abuse. Let it go, boys. We'll call you when we need you.
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Post by 1stdown on Jun 12, 2016 21:40:18 GMT -6
This was thrown out in another thread, and it is an interesting take.....when the private schools form their own association, who will make up the regular season schedule? Private schools already unfortunately have to play each other during regular season, then in the playoffs too. When there are no publics to schedule during "district" play, how can this be handled? Especially true about some out of the way private schools, like st. Louis. Besides the feeling of private schools being betrayed by the lhsaa, how would that be better on the kids to not stay with lhsaa? Just a thought.
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Post by indy on Jun 12, 2016 21:44:49 GMT -6
This was thrown out in another thread, and it is an interesting take.....when the private schools form their own association, who will make up the regular season schedule? Private schools already unfortunately have to play each other during regular season, then in the playoffs too. When there are no publics to schedule during "district" play, how can this be handled? Especially true about some out of the way private schools, like st. Louis. Besides the feeling of private schools being betrayed by the lhsaa, how would that be better on the kids to not stay with lhsaa? Just a thought. It is better for the privates to stay for that reason. But how long before the same group of principals vote for split districts?
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Post by 1stdown on Jun 12, 2016 22:13:56 GMT -6
That could happen,but I think when the bishops get involved, things will start changing. I really cant see the split staying like it is once the other sports that were split out, reach the playoffs next year and there are so many teams in it that they cant play in one location.
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Post by indy on Jun 12, 2016 22:41:59 GMT -6
That could happen,but I think when the bishops get involved, things will start changing. I really cant see the split staying like it is once the other sports that were split out, reach the playoffs next year and there are so many teams in it that they cant play in one location. That block of principals, including yours, knows that they have control of the LHSAA, they will continue to self serve until they have their way. It is what it is.
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