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Post by sunnyd56 on Nov 1, 2016 9:55:52 GMT -6
I really don't care for the split when it comes to the smaller schools, like 2 state champions from the same district last year and probably the 2 best teams will not even meet this year. I'm all for giving schools who normally don't make it into late November a chance but I definitely wouldn't have mind seeing lab and haynesville match up this year.
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Post by goldburg on Nov 1, 2016 10:02:59 GMT -6
Couldn't agree more I've made that case on here many times January meeting should be interesting I may get a bag of popcorn and sit in the back
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Post by Raven on Nov 1, 2016 10:23:01 GMT -6
I really don't care for the split when it comes to the smaller schools, like 2 state champions from the same district last year and probably the 2 best teams will not even meet this year. I'm all for giving schools who normally don't make it into late November a chance but I definitely wouldn't have mind seeing lab and haynesville match up this year. Preach on brother Sunny! I have said from the beginning that there was no need for a split in 1A and probably not for 3A, 4A or 5A either. I can definitely see why 2A would want it, but a success metric or a multiplier or a combination of both would solve many of those issues.
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Post by mt on Nov 1, 2016 10:28:47 GMT -6
I felt that the split was a money grab for he superdome classic. Seems like you'll get more schools traveling to see there school/kids play on top of Jose spectators like myself who enjoy watching football. I honestly hate it. Makes for tough games to watch in the first rounds and best teams not playing for state.
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Post by sunnyd56 on Nov 1, 2016 11:33:20 GMT -6
I felt that the split was a money grab for he superdome classic. Seems like you'll get more schools traveling to see there school/kids play on top of Jose spectators like myself who enjoy watching football. I honestly hate it. Makes for tough games to watch in the first rounds and best teams not playing for state. Right
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Post by indy on Nov 1, 2016 11:48:48 GMT -6
I felt that the split was a money grab for he superdome classic. Seems like you'll get more schools traveling to see there school/kids play on top of Jose spectators like myself who enjoy watching football. I honestly hate it. Makes for tough games to watch in the first rounds and best teams not playing for state. It's about the superdome alright but nothing to do about money. It's about self serving principals reshuffling the deck to improve their chances of getting a Trophy. They could care less if the LHSAA makes or loses money.
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Post by mt on Nov 1, 2016 12:35:43 GMT -6
I felt that the split was a money grab for he superdome classic. Seems like you'll get more schools traveling to see there school/kids play on top of Jose spectators like myself who enjoy watching football. I honestly hate it. Makes for tough games to watch in the first rounds and best teams not playing for state. It's about the superdome alright but nothing to do about money. It's about self serving principals reshuffling the deck to improve their chances of getting a Trophy. They could care less if the LHSAA makes or loses money. That too. Gotta imagine many teams wanted the trophy and tired of dealing with Curtis ECA etc
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Post by indy on Nov 1, 2016 12:41:22 GMT -6
It's about the superdome alright but nothing to do about money. It's about self serving principals reshuffling the deck to improve their chances of getting a Trophy. They could care less if the LHSAA makes or loses money. That too. Gotta imagine many teams wanted the trophy and tired of dealing with Curtis ECA etc Yep, now they tired of Kinder and Many having different rules! Now what? Re-split? Just can't please everyone in guess?
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Post by sunnyd56 on Nov 1, 2016 12:51:21 GMT -6
That too. Gotta imagine many teams wanted the trophy and tired of dealing with Curtis ECA etc Yep, now they tired of Kinder and Many having different rules! Now what? Re-split? Just can't please everyone in guess? I feel it should b like back in the 90's do away with the splits and jus put the curtis's, evangel's, etc in 5a with the teams who has the numbers and talent to compete with them, simple
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Post by mt on Nov 1, 2016 12:53:30 GMT -6
Yep, now they tired of Kinder and Many having different rules! Now what? Re-split? Just can't please everyone in guess? I feel it should b like back in the 90's do away with the splits and jus put the curtis's, evangel's, etc in 5a with the teams who has the numbers and talent to compete with them, simple There was a time where I think JT Curtis offered up the idea of a Class 6a(not by enrollment of course) but like a super class where whoever wanted to play up regardless of enrollment or class for football could for that championship
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Post by sunnyd56 on Nov 1, 2016 12:54:30 GMT -6
I feel it should b like back in the 90's do away with the splits and jus put the curtis's, evangel's, etc in 5a with the teams who has the numbers and talent to compete with them, simple There was a time where I think JT Curtis offered up the idea of a Class 6a(not by enrollment of course) but like a super class where whoever wanted to play up regardless of enrollment or class for football could for that championship I think I remember hearing something about that
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Post by indy on Nov 1, 2016 13:05:52 GMT -6
There was a time where I think JT Curtis offered up the idea of a Class 6a(not by enrollment of course) but like a super class where whoever wanted to play up regardless of enrollment or class for football could for that championship I think I remember hearing something about that 6 classes, the biggest 32+JC, E and whoever wants to play up. The smallest 32 less who wants to play up. Divide the remaining schools by 4. To me that's the best plan. You isolate the biggest and protect the smallest.
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Post by mt on Nov 1, 2016 13:07:36 GMT -6
I think I remember hearing something about that 6 classes, the biggest 32+JC, E and whoever wants to play up. The smallest 32 less who wants to play up. Divide the remaining schools by 4. To me that's the best plan. You isolate the biggest and protect the smallest. Perfectly fine with that plan. Any school That's a known power is gonna play up
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Post by TheFireman89 on Nov 1, 2016 15:49:20 GMT -6
I feel that 3A, 2A, 1A should be cut down to 16 team brackets like D3 and D4 are. And Parkview Baptist has shown that 3A select schools can hang with larger schools so combine D1 and D2 and cut that to a 16 team bracket. 5A and 4A brackets can stay at 32 since those are still pretty competitive and deep in numbers. That would cut out the watered down playoffs while still keeping it competitive with teams that would have made the playoffs anyways without the split
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Post by indy on Nov 1, 2016 16:28:09 GMT -6
I feel that 3A, 2A, 1A should be cut down to 16 team brackets like D3 and D4 are. And Parkview Baptist has shown that 3A select schools can hang with larger schools so combine D1 and D2 and cut that to a 16 team bracket. 5A and 4A brackets can stay at 32 since those are still pretty competitive and deep in numbers. That would cut out the watered down playoffs while still keeping it competitive with teams that would have made the playoffs anyways without the split Still 9, that's 9 championships in little ole La. probably still over two weekends, still . A 16 team bracket in 1a will still have HALF the teams with less than a winning record, that's still watered down!
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Post by TheFireman89 on Nov 1, 2016 16:31:50 GMT -6
I feel that 3A, 2A, 1A should be cut down to 16 team brackets like D3 and D4 are. And Parkview Baptist has shown that 3A select schools can hang with larger schools so combine D1 and D2 and cut that to a 16 team bracket. 5A and 4A brackets can stay at 32 since those are still pretty competitive and deep in numbers. That would cut out the watered down playoffs while still keeping it competitive with teams that would have made the playoffs anyways without the split Still 9, that's 9 championships in little ole La. probably still over two weekends, still . A 16 team bracket in 1a will still have HALF the teams with less than a winning record, that's still watered down! Wont please everybody with this system. This is the best option in my opinion short of bringing everybody back together. A lot of the private schools in 1A beat up the public schools, thats why a lot of them have losing records.
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Post by sunnyd56 on Nov 1, 2016 17:13:49 GMT -6
Still 9, that's 9 championships in little ole La. probably still over two weekends, still . A 16 team bracket in 1a will still have HALF the teams with less than a winning record, that's still watered down! Wont please everybody with this system. This is the best option in my opinion short of bringing everybody back together. A lot of the private schools in 1A beat up the public schools, thats why a lot of them have losing records. I feel 1a doesn't need the split, most of the better public schools has held their own against the private schools over the years
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Post by TheFireman89 on Nov 1, 2016 18:22:41 GMT -6
Wont please everybody with this system. This is the best option in my opinion short of bringing everybody back together. A lot of the private schools in 1A beat up the public schools, thats why a lot of them have losing records. I feel 1a doesn't need the split, most of the better public schools has held their own against the private schools over the years I think it was more of a handful of public schools holding their own. Haynesville, Kentwood, West St. John, Oak Grove, Mangham, Logansport occasionally
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Post by Raven on Nov 2, 2016 8:19:12 GMT -6
I feel 1a doesn't need the split, most of the better public schools has held their own against the private schools over the years I think it was more of a handful of public schools holding their own. Haynesville, Kentwood, West St. John, Oak Grove, Mangham, Logansport occasionally Don't forget White Castle, Basile, Delhi Charter, East Beauregard, Arcadia and Varnado. You basically have the top dozen public schools that can compete with and beat the top dozen private schools. How is there any disparity?
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Post by CrusadingLions on Nov 2, 2016 8:46:25 GMT -6
1A is very even. Have a decent number of both public and private that can beat anyone on any given day. I can't recall a year where the public schools couldn't compete with the better private schools in the state. There was zero need for a split in 1A. I just wish principals would stop buying the very biased stuff coming from Booker and Griffen and not destroy what was an awesome setup in class A. Before the split there were some really good title games, since then the games on both sides have been blowouts. Unfortunately too many principals on both sides are more worried about getting an easy title/Dome appearance than actually doing the right thing.
Scores before: Haynesville 19 South Plaqumines 12 White Castle 32 Ouachita Christian 20 OCS 23 WSJ 7 OCS 20 Haynesville 8
Since the split Haynesville 42 Mangham 21 Vermillion Catholic 63 St. Fred 18 Haynesville 16 Mangham 0 OCS 52 Lab 6 Kentwood 40 Haynesville 7 Lab 36 SMS 2
Since 1990 until the split public schools have 13 titles while privates have 10. Can't get much more even than that.
90 Haynesville (public 1) 91 Oak Grove (public 2) 92 Ascension Catholic (private 1) 93 Evangel (private 2) 94 Evangel (private 3) 95 Logansport (public 3) 96 Southern Lab (private 4) 97 Kentwood (public 4) 98 Kentwood (public 5) 99 Oak Grove (public 6) 00 Haynesville (public 7) 01 Oak Grove (public 8) 02 Port Sulphur (public 9) 03 Vermillion Catholic (private 5) 04 Dunham (private 6) 05 Evangel (private 7) 06 Evangel (private 8) 07 South Plaquemines (public 10) 08 South Plaquemines (public 11) 09 Haynesville (public 12) 10 White Castle (public 13) 11 Ouachita Christian (private 9) 12 Ouachita Christian (private 10)
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Post by eag on Nov 2, 2016 11:46:23 GMT -6
I think it was more of a handful of public schools holding their own. Haynesville, Kentwood, West St. John, Oak Grove, Mangham, Logansport occasionally Don't forget White Castle, Basile, Delhi Charter, East Beauregard, Arcadia and Varnado. You basically have the top dozen public schools that can compete with and beat the top dozen private schools. How is there any disparity? Even in 2A the split is a poor solution. Here are the 2A privates: Riverside Academy Notre Dame St. Charles Catholic - N.I. Ouachita Christian Haynes Academy Metairie Park Country Day Dunham Calvary Baptist Holy Savior Menard Opelousas Catholic Episcopal Newman, Isidore Northlake Christian Jefferson, Thomas St. Thomas Aquinas Sacred Heart Archbishop Hannan Christian Life Pope John Paul II Where is the line where Many, Kinder, Madison Prep, Sterlington absolutely cannot compete? Unless it is way down that line, the split is unnecessary. And we have seen Many vs #10 on that list, and we saw how that ended up. Conversely, how would Episcopal, Newman, Hannan, etc fare vs Many, Kinder? I'd put my money on the publics all day long. The split is bad as it screws run-of-the mill private schools in favor of protecting excellent public programs from the very few super-excellent private programs. It seriously overemphasizes TITLES, which is not and should not be the mark of a successful program ( and this from a very competitive person) I've said before, I'm perfectly fine with just lumping everyone together again like it was and stratify by size. I personally don't care if JC wins 300 state championships in a row. At least in the old system it was pretty easy to identify a successful program. Good programs made the playoffs most years, really good programs won a game or two consistently, and truly great years meant a deep run. Now, who can even say? Everyone pretty much makes the playoffs. On the private side, only the juggernauts will make it past 1 rd. So every year is the same, every team from well below average to well above, ends up in the same place. Teams like Newman, Episcopal, Dunham, Menard are nice teams. They deserve more than 1 and out. They deserve to be able to compare their 2016 teams to say, 2008, by seeing who won 1 playoff or 2, or 3. Or have conversations for years about how that team was really good but got JC in the 2nd rd -- aah, man! Now, every year is the same. It just is a bad system in that it takes a superficial characteristic shared by some ( but not all) of the most successful programs but also shared by many average or below average programs and makes that the SOLE criteria for separation. In the end, if you examine the most successful programs you will find several common themes. Community support, high levels of participation, stable coaching staffs, developmental programs going back to junior high or elementary school, kids and families willing to give up the time necessary to have effective offseason programs will be present in each one of those programs. They will vary in public/private status. So why is that the criteria we use to separate?
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Post by sunnyd56 on Nov 2, 2016 11:56:33 GMT -6
1A is very even. Have a decent number of both public and private that can beat anyone on any given day. I can't recall a year where the public schools couldn't compete with the better private schools in the state. There was zero need for a split in 1A. I just wish principals would stop buying the very biased stuff coming from Booker and Griffen and not destroy what was an awesome setup in class A. Before the split there were some really good title games, since then the games on both sides have been blowouts. Unfortunately too many principals on both sides are more worried about getting an easy title/Dome appearance than actually doing the right thing. Scores before: Haynesville 19 South Plaqumines 12 White Castle 32 Ouachita Christian 20 OCS 23 WSJ 7 OCS 20 Haynesville 8 Since the split Haynesville 42 Mangham 21 Vermillion Catholic 63 St. Fred 18 Haynesville 16 Mangham 0 OCS 52 Lab 6 Kentwood 40 Haynesville 7 Lab 36 SMS 2 Since 1990 until the split public schools have 13 titles while privates have 10. Can't get much more even than that. 90 Haynesville (public 1) 91 Oak Grove (public 2) 92 Ascension Catholic (private 1) 93 Evangel (private 2) 94 Evangel (private 3) 95 Logansport (public 3) 96 Southern Lab (private 4) 97 Kentwood (public 4) 98 Kentwood (public 5) 99 Oak Grove (public 6) 00 Haynesville (public 7) 01 Oak Grove (public 8) 02 Port Sulphur (public 9) 03 Vermillion Catholic (private 5) 04 Dunham (private 6) 05 Evangel (private 7) 06 Evangel (private 8) 07 South Plaquemines (public 10) 08 South Plaquemines (public 11) 09 Haynesville (public 12) 10 White Castle (public 13) 11 Ouachita Christian (private 9) 12 Ouachita Christian (private 10) Exactly!! And I kno a few of them years that the private schools did win, the only teams that came close to beating them were public schools
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Post by CrusadingLions on Nov 2, 2016 14:15:12 GMT -6
Exactly!! And I know a few of them years that the private schools did win, the only teams that came close to beating them were public schools I remember Evangel barely escaped Kentwood with a win a few years back.
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Post by sunnyd56 on Nov 2, 2016 17:14:36 GMT -6
Exactly!! And I know a few of them years that the private schools did win, the only teams that came close to beating them were public schools I remember Evangel barely escaped Kentwood with a win a few years back. Yea we were up 20-7 at half then all of sudden flags couldn't stop flying against us, took a score off the board, had a goal line stand that we got a flag on, still don't kno what for that gave them a fresh set of downs inside the 1, wound up loosing in OT 27-20, I wasn't impressed with evangel that year but they did go on to blow out whoever they played in state that year.
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Post by CrusadingLions on Nov 3, 2016 6:19:23 GMT -6
I remember Evangel barely escaped Kentwood with a win a few years back. Yea we were up 20-7 at half then all of sudden flags couldn't stop flying against us, took a score off the board, had a goal line stand that we got a flag on, still don't kno what for that gave them a fresh set of downs inside the 1, wound up loosing in OT 27-20, I wasn't impressed with evangel that year but they did go on to blow out whoever they played in state that year. I was at that game. Kentwood beat Evangel everywhere but the scoreboard. I remember Kentwood stopping ECA 2 or 3 times right at the goal line before Evangel finally scored. I want to say that is the year that ECA knocked off St. John in the Dome.
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Post by sunnyd56 on Nov 3, 2016 11:31:55 GMT -6
Yea we were up 20-7 at half then all of sudden flags couldn't stop flying against us, took a score off the board, had a goal line stand that we got a flag on, still don't kno what for that gave them a fresh set of downs inside the 1, wound up loosing in OT 27-20, I wasn't impressed with evangel that year but they did go on to blow out whoever they played in state that year. I was at that game. Kentwood beat Evangel everywhere but the scoreboard. I remember Kentwood stopping ECA 2 or 3 times right at the goal line before Evangel finally scored. I want to say that is the year that ECA knocked off St. John in the Dome. Yea that was crazy, I can say we were the better team really that night lol
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Post by iknownuthing on Nov 3, 2016 12:51:46 GMT -6
I really don't care for the split when it comes to the smaller schools, like 2 state champions from the same district last year and probably the 2 best teams will not even meet this year. I'm all for giving schools who normally don't make it into late November a chance but I definitely wouldn't have mind seeing lab and haynesville match up this year. Could it possibly be that having a major competitor in your district makes you a better team? Northside, St. Martinville and Breaux Bridge were all at their best the years they were in the district with STM and then later on STM and Teurlings. Northside has issues that run deeper than athletics, but both St. Martinville and Breaux Bridge had better teams when they knew there was an 800 lb gorilla banging the cage on Farrell Drive. (this is the description STM was given by Jay Walker on his talk show one year. In the same show he declared that STM did not have the most athletic talent)
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Post by indy on Nov 3, 2016 13:07:29 GMT -6
I really don't care for the split when it comes to the smaller schools, like 2 state champions from the same district last year and probably the 2 best teams will not even meet this year. I'm all for giving schools who normally don't make it into late November a chance but I definitely wouldn't have mind seeing lab and haynesville match up this year. Could it possibly be that having a major competitor in your district makes you a better team? Northside, St. Martinville and Breaux Bridge were all at their best the years they were in the district with STM and then later on STM and Teurlings. Northside has issues that run deeper than athletics, but both St. Martinville and Breaux Bridge had better teams when they knew there was an 800 lb gorilla banging the cage on Farrell Drive. (this is the description STM was given by Jay Walker on his talk show one year. In the same show he declared that STM did not have the most athletic talent) Terry Martin formally at Cecelia but now at Breaux Bridge is the Norman Booker of our area. To him, to get better means to play in district too. Sadly he will reduce the once good BB to mediocre. A true coach would raise his standards, not lower them.
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Post by iknownuthing on Nov 3, 2016 13:21:47 GMT -6
Could it possibly be that having a major competitor in your district makes you a better team? Northside, St. Martinville and Breaux Bridge were all at their best the years they were in the district with STM and then later on STM and Teurlings. Northside has issues that run deeper than athletics, but both St. Martinville and Breaux Bridge had better teams when they knew there was an 800 lb gorilla banging the cage on Farrell Drive. (this is the description STM was given by Jay Walker on his talk show one year. In the same show he declared that STM did not have the most athletic talent) Terry Martin formally at Cecelia but now at Breaux Bridge is the Norman Booker of our area. To him, to get better means to play in district too. Sadly he will reduce the once good BB to mediocre. A true coach would raise his standards, not lower them. I know the coaches at STM have always maintained that playing a tough schedule makes you better, especially when you lose. It is a concern closing out the season as STM played the best teams in the district the first three weeks and the weakest the last three weeks. Had they been given a choice, they would have rather a reverse situation to keep the intensity up. Blowing teams out by 40, 50 points does not make you a better team. Now they not only face down opponents the last two weeks of the season, they have a bye week to deal with to start the playoffs.
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Post by indy on Nov 3, 2016 15:08:37 GMT -6
If the season ended this week and If you use the overall power ranking #1 Haynesville will play #56 north central in the first round. In the second round the winner of #31 Elton and #32 Basile . This is an absolute joke. at its finest
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