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Post by eag on Nov 30, 2016 15:20:02 GMT -6
I agree, I don't think they're doing anything wrong at all. In fact, I'd make the argument that they're doing it right. When kids are showing up at your school from another zone, it's not because you're handing out ice cream. It's because the parents (whom should be making those choices) are deciding what's best for their kids. Instead of punishing Barbe because kids are showing up, the school board needs to be asking why are kids leaving other schools to come there and then address those problems. As far as I can tell the problem has never been kids coming from out of the zone, the problem has always been with how to stop that from happening. Rather than creating more red tape, fix what's causing them to leave in the first place. When I left a public school to go to ECA, it wasn't to play football. I realize there are kids that leave 1 school to play a sport at another. But I'd venture a bet that most leave for reasons other than sports. When you put thing that way no one can find a argument with what you say. Maybe the best thing is to dissolve the LHSAA and start over. To many rules that have come from issue after issue. The system has to made simpler. Agree with you here. Pinion and Laprep are right, and I'd venture to say there are a whole ton of private schools who have less than 29% of their roster from out-of-zone. This is especially true if you use Catholic church parishes as a zone for Catholic schools ( which should be the case). Yet the Catholic schools are at an unfair advantage over a public school with more out of zone kids who are paying $0 to attend? That is why the split is bad to anyone with a critical mind-- because it is based on a false premise. New organization, the eHSAO (eag High School Athletic Organization) 1) Play anywhere you attend school. Attendance zone issues are for school boards, not Athletic organizations. 2) Eligible at any school you start attending in grade 9 3) Sit a year if you change schools after grade 9 unless Bonafide Move 4) Bonafide move is greater than 50 miles and reason must be shown. Household must actually move. Committee in place to examine each of these critically. 5) Indiana plan metric for excessive success. 6) 2.5 GPA
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Post by btown on Nov 30, 2016 15:22:56 GMT -6
When you put thing that way no one can find a argument with what you say. Maybe the best thing is to dissolve the LHSAA and start over. To many rules that have come from issue after issue. The system has to made simpler. btown I agree on things need to be made simpler, not sure if the current leadership (Staff or Principals) could be trusted to do this. If you know of a way please let us all know. Remember the split idea started from a couple of people so anything can happen. I still believe it starts with the leardership of the LHSAA. Issue after issue has come up in LHSAA and all they do is come with another rule, it is not that complicated. Maybe Bonine needs to bring some parents and meet with them to find out why they do what they do with their Kids. I moved my kids for athletics, the school that I moved from did not have softball. But in making the move I did not move them to a school that had poor discipline or academics. So there the people that LHSAA need to talk to are parents and then go from there.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Nov 30, 2016 15:29:08 GMT -6
When you put thing that way no one can find a argument with what you say. Maybe the best thing is to dissolve the LHSAA and start over. To many rules that have come from issue after issue. The system has to made simpler. Agree with you here. Pinion and Laprep are right, and I'd venture to say there are a whole ton of private schools who have less than 29% of their roster from out-of-zone. This is especially true if you use Catholic church parishes as a zone for Catholic schools ( which should be the case). Yet the Catholic schools are at an unfair advantage over a public school with more out of zone kids who are paying $0 to attend? That is why the split is bad to anyone with a critical mind-- because it is based on a false premise. New organization, the eHSAO (eag High School Athletic Organization) 1) Play anywhere you attend school. Attendance zone issues are for school boards, not Athletic organizations. 2) Eligible at any school you start attending in grade 9 3) Sit a year if you change schools after grade 9 unless Bonafide Move 4) Bonafide move is greater than 50 miles and reason must be shown. Household must actually move. Committee in place to examine each of these critically. 5) Indiana plan metric for excessive success. 6) 2.5 GPA eag for director of the ehsao/lhsaa, I'm sure you would have to take a pay-cut (LOL). Like all 6 of your rules, let's get this started. I'm' going to the game in Many Friday night if I see Booker I'll show this to him and see what he thinks.
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Post by btown on Nov 30, 2016 15:32:24 GMT -6
When you put thing that way no one can find a argument with what you say. Maybe the best thing is to dissolve the LHSAA and start over. To many rules that have come from issue after issue. The system has to made simpler. Agree with you here. Pinion and Laprep are right, and I'd venture to say there are a whole ton of private schools who have less than 29% of their roster from out-of-zone. This is especially true if you use Catholic church parishes as a zone for Catholic schools ( which should be the case). Yet the Catholic schools are at an unfair advantage over a public school with more out of zone kids who are paying $0 to attend? That is why the split is bad to anyone with a critical mind-- because it is based on a false premise. New organization, the eHSAO (eag High School Athletic Organization) 1) Play anywhere you attend school. Attendance zone issues are for school boards, not Athletic organizations. 2) Eligible at any school you start attending in grade 9 3) Sit a year if you change schools after grade 9 unless Bonafide Move 4) Bonafide move is greater than 50 miles and reason must be shown. Household must actually move. Committee in place to examine each of these critically. 5) Indiana plan metric for excessive success. 6) 2.5 GPA eag You are correct about attendance zones it is a school board issue and has always been. The parish my kids go to school in the school board was to approve all out of zone attendance. LHSAA says it has to be done prior to the athlete choosing their school of first choice. The review process for all moves is what needs to be scrutinized by LHSAA. Go out and see where they moved from and where they move to, lay some eyes on these addresses. That is why I say this is so simple.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 16:18:22 GMT -6
The only one Im not a fan of is the 2.5 GPA. Reason being is because if a kid doesnt play a Spring sport, but plays football they can goof off during FB season and have a 1.0 for the fall semester and still gets to play FB for the entire fall. He really isnt penalized by not being allowed to play in the Spring. Id say no pass, no play. If after the 1st six weeks (or nine if on block) and you have one F on your report card, your done until the next grading period is over. I think this would make all students focus on their grades during the season.
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Post by eag on Nov 30, 2016 16:38:47 GMT -6
The only one Im not a fan of is the 2.5 GPA. Reason being is because if a kid doesnt play a Spring sport, but plays football they can goof off during FB season and have a 1.0 for the fall semester and still gets to play FB for the entire fall. He really isnt penalized by not being allowed to play in the Spring. Id say no pass, no play. If after the 1st six weeks (or nine if on block) and you have one F on your report card, your done until the next grading period is over. I think this would make all students focus on their grades during the season. Can live with that for sure. My idea is really that you should meet a reasonable academic standard to play. Actually, your counter to my rules made me think of this stuff: eHSAO Organizational structure: Exec Director -- communicator and figurehead. Does the nuts and bold meetings, administrative duties, etc. Exec Committee-- made up of equal number of coaches and principals. Terms of 3 years but the first group would have staggered terms of 1, 2, and 3 years so the whole crew isn't replaced at once. All policy is proposed and brought to the floor by this group, who has the fiduciary duty to look out for the best interest of the eHSAO and NOT their individual schools. I would start with this being a rotation and not an election ( each school eventually gets a turn), but would listen to opposing views on that. Would be done by regions and by public/private. 6 regions, 2 members from each, at least 4 of the 12 must represent tuition-paying schools. The membership-- all dues-paying schools. Submit any issues to the regional reps, vote on policy issues brought to the floor by the EC (You know, things like kicking eag the heck out of the organization!)
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Post by btown on Nov 30, 2016 20:06:33 GMT -6
The only one Im not a fan of is the 2.5 GPA. Reason being is because if a kid doesnt play a Spring sport, but plays football they can goof off during FB season and have a 1.0 for the fall semester and still gets to play FB for the entire fall. He really isnt penalized by not being allowed to play in the Spring. Id say no pass, no play. If after the 1st six weeks (or nine if on block) and you have one F on your report card, your done until the next grading period is over. I think this would make all students focus on their grades during the season. Can live with that for sure. My idea is really that you should meet a reasonable academic standard to play. Actually, your counter to my rules made me think of this stuff: eHSAO Organizational structure: Exec Director -- communicator and figurehead. Does the nuts and bold meetings, administrative duties, etc. Exec Committee-- made up of equal number of coaches and principals. Terms of 3 years but the first group would have staggered terms of 1, 2, and 3 years so the whole crew isn't replaced at once. All policy is proposed and brought to the floor by this group, who has the fiduciary duty to look out for the best interest of the eHSAO and NOT their individual schools. I would start with this being a rotation and not an election ( each school eventually gets a turn), but would listen to opposing views on that. Would be done by regions and by public/private. 6 regions, 2 members from each, at least 4 of the 12 must represent tuition-paying schools. The membership-- all dues-paying schools. Submit any issues to the regional reps, vote on policy issues brought to the floor by the EC (You know, things like kicking eag the heck out of the organization!) I also think the Exec Committee should be equal north and south area of the state.
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Post by eag on Dec 1, 2016 5:17:42 GMT -6
Can live with that for sure. My idea is really that you should meet a reasonable academic standard to play. Actually, your counter to my rules made me think of this stuff: eHSAO Organizational structure: Exec Director -- communicator and figurehead. Does the nuts and bold meetings, administrative duties, etc. Exec Committee-- made up of equal number of coaches and principals. Terms of 3 years but the first group would have staggered terms of 1, 2, and 3 years so the whole crew isn't replaced at once. All policy is proposed and brought to the floor by this group, who has the fiduciary duty to look out for the best interest of the eHSAO and NOT their individual schools. I would start with this being a rotation and not an election ( each school eventually gets a turn), but would listen to opposing views on that. Would be done by regions and by public/private. 6 regions, 2 members from each, at least 4 of the 12 must represent tuition-paying schools. The membership-- all dues-paying schools. Submit any issues to the regional reps, vote on policy issues brought to the floor by the EC (You know, things like kicking eag the heck out of the organization!) I also think the Exec Committee should be equal north and south area of the state. Yep. 2 reps from each of 6 regions. Being that I am just making all this up, I have not actually drawn out the regions! But equal regional representation is the goal.
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Post by Raven on Dec 1, 2016 11:45:16 GMT -6
I also think the Exec Committee should be equal north and south area of the state. Yep. 2 reps from each of 6 regions. Being that I am just making all this up, I have not actually drawn out the regions! But equal regional representation is the goal. 2 reps could come from each of the metropolitan areas. Shreveport, Monroe, Alexandria, lake Charles, Lafayette, Baton Rouge, Houma/Thibodaux, New Orleans and Hammond/Slidell. That would make 9 regions, 18 members with an executive director to break voting ties if needed. Or you could give 3 reps to the Shreve, Baton Rouge and NOLA areas since they represent more schools and a larger population of students.
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Post by eag on Dec 1, 2016 11:57:26 GMT -6
Sold.
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Post by pinion on Dec 1, 2016 12:22:59 GMT -6
You know, as much as we bicker on this board. I really do believe that all of the staff at the LHSAA could be run out of town and the people on this board could run it more effectively and make it work for everyone. I'm being quite serious about that.
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Post by indy on Dec 1, 2016 12:49:39 GMT -6
You know, as much as we bicker on this board. I really do believe that all of the staff at the LHSAA could be run out of town and the people on this board could run it more effectively and make it work for everyone. I'm being quite serious about that. That's not saying much, blind monkeys could too
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Post by eag on Dec 1, 2016 13:44:24 GMT -6
You know, as much as we bicker on this board. I really do believe that all of the staff at the LHSAA could be run out of town and the people on this board could run it more effectively and make it work for everyone. I'm being quite serious about that. That's not saying much, blind monkeys could too You've seen me?!?
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Post by eag on Dec 1, 2016 13:46:59 GMT -6
You know, as much as we bicker on this board. I really do believe that all of the staff at the LHSAA could be run out of town and the people on this board could run it more effectively and make it work for everyone. I'm being quite serious about that. I agree.
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Post by btown on Dec 1, 2016 14:09:43 GMT -6
You know, as much as we bicker on this board. I really do believe that all of the staff at the LHSAA could be run out of town and the people on this board could run it more effectively and make it work for everyone. I'm being quite serious about that. I agree. You do not need a bunch of yes men to get thing done. Disagreeing is health and good for any organization. You just have to be willing to listen to the other side and try to see thing from their point of view, do not always have to agree.
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Post by mt on Dec 1, 2016 14:17:49 GMT -6
You know, as much as we bicker on this board. I really do believe that all of the staff at the LHSAA could be run out of town and the people on this board could run it more effectively and make it work for everyone. I'm being quite serious about that. I agree. You do not need a bunch of yes men to get thing done. Disagreeing is health and good for any organization. You just have to be willing to listen to the other side and try to see thing from their point of view, do not always have to agree. Totally agree. This panel could work far better than that of which it is currently under. You guys have some great ideas that I wish those in charge would listen to
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Post by eag on Dec 1, 2016 14:31:21 GMT -6
You know, as much as we bicker on this board. I really do believe that all of the staff at the LHSAA could be run out of town and the people on this board could run it more effectively and make it work for everyone. I'm being quite serious about that. I agree. You do not need a bunch of yes men to get thing done. Disagreeing is health and good for any organization. You just have to be willing to listen to the other side and try to see thing from their point of view, do not always have to agree. In fact, disagreeing is NECESSARY. The thing is, when a board is working for the good of the organization rather than for their own school, what will come out of all the disagreeing is a compromise which should be able to get sufficient votes to pass. In my example, the EC has equal numbers of principals and coaches, and has at least 33% tuition-paying schools. For a policy proposal to get a supermajority vote of the EC (75%) and thus be brought to the members it would have to be acceptable to various facets - athletic, academic, public, private. Now, it likely won't be PREFERABLE or PERFECT to most or maybe even any, but it would have to be ACCEPTABLE. That's how good policy is made.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Dec 1, 2016 15:14:18 GMT -6
You know, as much as we bicker on this board. I really do believe that all of the staff at the LHSAA could be run out of town and the people on this board could run it more effectively and make it work for everyone. I'm being quite serious about that. I agree. You do not need a bunch of yes men to get thing done. Disagreeing is health and good for any organization. You just have to be willing to listen to the other side and try to see thing from their point of view, do not always have to agree. Careful btown, you may be coming over to the "dark side". LOL
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Post by 1stdown on Dec 1, 2016 17:25:09 GMT -6
I agree. You do not need a bunch of yes men to get thing done. Disagreeing is health and good for any organization. You just have to be willing to listen to the other side and try to see thing from their point of view, do not always have to agree. Careful btown, you may be coming over to the "dark side". LOL We might be, keep hearing reports that kinder and welsh were "pushed out" of our traditional district. Heard this twice already, once in local media. Hope it's not true.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Dec 1, 2016 23:11:09 GMT -6
Careful btown, you may be coming over to the "dark side". LOL We might be, keep hearing reports that kinder and welsh were "pushed out" of our traditional district. Heard this twice already, once in local media. Hope it's not true. I've been saying, the split crowd (fans of the better/successful teams) better be careful what they wish for that it was just a matter of time before they started to turn on y'all as well. When the split was supposed to make it easier to get to & win a championship for everyone, but only a few get there "they must have some inherit advantage over the other schools". 2A is a prime example of this, Kinder 3 of 4 years and MHS 2 of 3 so far maybe 3 of 4 as well.
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Post by btown on Dec 2, 2016 8:05:25 GMT -6
I agree. You do not need a bunch of yes men to get thing done. Disagreeing is health and good for any organization. You just have to be willing to listen to the other side and try to see thing from their point of view, do not always have to agree. Careful btown, you may be coming over to the "dark side". LOL Never said I did not understand your issues.
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Post by oldcowboy on Dec 3, 2016 8:58:56 GMT -6
Spill the beans, what LHSAA officer or office employee has kin folk on Madison Prep? Jus'askin' Where did this team come from in this Select/Non-Select era? They are in the backyard of the blessed LHSAA. How did all these cookie-cutter size and speed athletes show up in the same 'bordered' school zone locally, with grades? Did a legal mind family member of some Fortunate Son say, "psst, don't use a Christian type connotation in your school name". When you hear the word PREP used in schools from other states, you do not think 'duh?' I know S. Lab has been the new best recruiters in recent years to go along with the usual suspects. Has Red Stick become jealous and said enough is enough and decided we must have our own All-Star team to compete like legend selects in Monroe, Shreveport, and Metairie? Have they given them some time to develop and put them in Select 2-A? C'Mon MAAN Hahahahahaha this is so funny. Let's just let the kids play. In the select/Non-Select era, in the school of choice era. In the era where schools are being completely shut down, just let the boys play. Prep did come out of nowhere but is a blue ribbon school in an area that's ripe with talent and no normal public school within 8-10 miles. The feeder school has been around longer no doubt. As for the Lab/Scotlandville/Madison Prep thing, it's pretty simple that people in these and surrounding area don't want there kids to go to the schools they may be zoned in. Whether is for academics or athletics, it's a choice. Let's run down the options they have. Belaire-Failing Glen Oaks-Failing Tara-Failing Lee-just reopened recently Capitol-closed and now Friendship(a charter) Istrouma-closed but will reopen. Broadmoor-Failing Of those schools, Only Istrouma and Friendship are in close proximity to MPA. That's probably 1500-2000 kids(being modest) that have to be bused to a school not close to there homes. Shouldn't be that way in a highly populated city, but it is. Glen Oaks is a shell of what it once was. In Baton Rouge the issue is bigger than sports. Needs to get the education part together first. And Madison Prep simply allow a in all of the students from all those failing schools that can pass or play, while turning the others away at the door. Over 700 on a "waiting list". The same "waiting list" any school would have of they could select their student body. Blue ribbon, yeah, a low "C" rating. Average, even with the ability to cherry pick it's enrollment
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Post by mt on Dec 5, 2016 14:04:27 GMT -6
Hahahahahaha this is so funny. Let's just let the kids play. In the select/Non-Select era, in the school of choice era. In the era where schools are being completely shut down, just let the boys play. Prep did come out of nowhere but is a blue ribbon school in an area that's ripe with talent and no normal public school within 8-10 miles. The feeder school has been around longer no doubt. As for the Lab/Scotlandville/Madison Prep thing, it's pretty simple that people in these and surrounding area don't want there kids to go to the schools they may be zoned in. Whether is for academics or athletics, it's a choice. Let's run down the options they have. Belaire-Failing Glen Oaks-Failing Tara-Failing Lee-just reopened recently Capitol-closed and now Friendship(a charter) Istrouma-closed but will reopen. Broadmoor-Failing Of those schools, Only Istrouma and Friendship are in close proximity to MPA. That's probably 1500-2000 kids(being modest) that have to be bused to a school not close to there homes. Shouldn't be that way in a highly populated city, but it is. Glen Oaks is a shell of what it once was. In Baton Rouge the issue is bigger than sports. Needs to get the education part together first. And Madison Prep simply allow a in all of the students from all those failing schools that can pass or play, while turning the others away at the door. Over 700 on a "waiting list". The same "waiting list" any school would have of they could select their student body. Blue ribbon, yeah, a low "C" rating. Average, even with the ability to cherry pick it's enrollment Not sure I ever mentioned that they don't or can't pick or what this even means. Every school who has the option to pick and choose does. Am I wrong?
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