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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 26, 2017 21:44:55 GMT -6
Today, the SCOTUS ruled that the state of Missouri nor any other state can deny funds based on religion. Can this be construed to be a similar litmus test the LHSAA is using to discriminate against religious and private schools. Missouri denied funds for playgrounds to religious and private schools by only giving grant money for playgrounds to public schools. That was ruled unconstitutional. Can not this same standard be applied to the LHSAA which regulates public schools? If they claim not, what gives them the authority to discriminate against every religious school in the state? Who with standing will accept the challenge to take the LHSAA to the courts for remedy?
I know some will say that the LHSAA is a private organization and not a state. But private organization ( corporations) also cannot deny basic rights established by the constitution. I can not deny anyone the purchase of my home based on race or religion. I cannot deny anyone service at my company based on race or religion, yet the LHSAA has denied equal standing and the chance for every religious school the right to play for their assigned "Classification" championship.
Who with standing, will pick up the challenge?
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Post by gentsandpios on Jun 28, 2017 9:00:12 GMT -6
Today, the SCOTUS ruled that the state of Missouri nor any other state can deny funds based on religion. Can this be construed to be a similar litmus test the LHSAA is using to discriminate against religious and private schools. Missouri denied funds for playgrounds to religious and private schools by only giving grant money for playgrounds to public schools. That was ruled unconstitutional. Can not this same standard be applied to the LHSAA which regulates public schools? If they claim not, what gives them the authority to discriminate against every religious school in the state? Who with standing will accept the challenge to take the LHSAA to the courts for remedy? I know some will say that the LHSAA is a private organization and not a state. But private organization ( corporations) also cannot deny basic rights established by the constitution. I can not deny anyone the purchase of my home based on race or religion. I cannot deny anyone service at my company based on race or religion, yet the LHSAA has denied equal standing and the chance for every religious school the right to play for their assigned "Classification" championship. Who with standing, will pick up the challenge? I'm against the split but because the split is based on enrollment criteria and not religion and the fact that their are a couple of non religious school classified as select I don't think LHSAA has to worry about this ruling...but I'm not a lawyer so could be wrong
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Post by wildcat on Jun 28, 2017 11:50:08 GMT -6
What about private schools, charter schools or any non select school denying enrollment for a child because of test scores, behavior issues, special needs or any other factor? Whats the difference? I think this has always been a hangup with public schools and how non-select schools have an advantage over public's because they can control their enrollment.
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Post by pinion on Jun 28, 2017 13:11:57 GMT -6
What about private schools, charter schools or any non select school denying enrollment for a child because of test scores, behavior issues, special needs or any other factor? Whats the difference? I think this has always been a hangup with public schools and how non-select schools have an advantage over public's because they can control their enrollment. I think that's part of the problem is that you see it is "controlling enrollment" and to argue such is really just a matter of definitions. Private schools are not "controlling" their enrollment for athletic reasons. If they keep a kid out it's because they cannot work with that child (special needs) or maybe they don't want a behaviour problem. But when you split the schools up for athletic purposes, you are accusing private schools of controlling their enrollment for athletic purposes with zero fact to base that accusation on. So you're either punishing private schools because public schools don't have the option of keeping the bad kids out, which has nothing to do with athletics. or, you're punishing the private schools because of something else. Which is also NOT related to athletics. So you see these things as advantages that private schools have. and maybe some of them are. but how do those things translate to athletics? because that's where you're trying to punish them. on the field. As I see it, public schools have a HUGE advantage because they basically have an open wallet that private schools don't have. And private school parents are paying for your public school and their private school. So, the burden seems to lay on the private school folks. And yes, it's a choice to send a kid to a private school, it's also a choice to have a kid at all, so that line of argument really doesn't qualify.
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Post by indy on Jun 28, 2017 13:58:12 GMT -6
What about private schools, charter schools or any non select school denying enrollment for a child because of test scores, behavior issues, special needs or any other factor? Whats the difference? I think this has always been a hangup with public schools and how non-select schools have an advantage over public's because they can control their enrollment. First, why would a private school turn down a paid costumer? 2nd, how in the heck is the ability to turn away a student an advantage in sports? Public schools control enrollment all the time, they consolidate, add new schools, and split large schools into smaller schools and change zone boundaries, happens all the time. Your post might be the dumbest ever.
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Post by wildcat on Jun 28, 2017 15:19:26 GMT -6
What about private schools, charter schools or any non select school denying enrollment for a child because of test scores, behavior issues, special needs or any other factor? Whats the difference? I think this has always been a hangup with public schools and how non-select schools have an advantage over public's because they can control their enrollment. First, why would a private school turn down a paid costumer? 2nd, how in the heck is the ability to turn away a student an advantage in sports? Public schools control enrollment all the time, they consolidate, add new schools, and split large schools into smaller schools and change zone boundaries, happens all the time. Your post might be the dumbest ever. Are you saying ND or any other private school has never turned away a student that is willing to pay to attend school? The ability to turn away students can help keep enrollment low so the school can stay in their current district/class. If the school knows they are roughly 3 kids from being bumped to the next class they can turn away X number of kids until the numbers are published.
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Post by indy on Jun 28, 2017 15:29:40 GMT -6
First, why would a private school turn down a paid costumer? 2nd, how in the heck is the ability to turn away a student an advantage in sports? Public schools control enrollment all the time, they consolidate, add new schools, and split large schools into smaller schools and change zone boundaries, happens all the time. Your post might be the dumbest ever. Are you saying ND or any other private school has never turned away a student that is willing to pay to attend school? The ability to turn away students can help keep enrollment low so the school can stay in their current district/class. If the school knows they are roughly 3 kids from being bumped to the next class they can turn away X number of kids until the numbers are published. 3 kids is $24,000 a year, $96,000 for four years, so the answer is no. We have as many championships in 3A as 2A. We are at least 50 away from 3A. Do the math on that yourself. Ask our 3A down from 4A public school neighbors down the road about controlling enrollment. They worked the system to go down. Ask how many kids they have at Iota and Midland, and how many they sent at the last minute to the alternative school. Your mind is fogged up with .
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Post by 1stdown on Jun 28, 2017 15:42:08 GMT -6
Transfers like the lineman from Lafayette last year is what people see when they already have a negative view of private schools. He could have transferred to iota or Rayne, but he chose Notre dame. I'm sure he wanted to go to a good program, and a school that fit his needs academically. I'm not saying anything was wrong! Just this is what people point to, but it happens at barbe all the time.
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Post by wildcat on Jun 28, 2017 15:56:59 GMT -6
Are you saying ND or any other private school has never turned away a student that is willing to pay to attend school? The ability to turn away students can help keep enrollment low so the school can stay in their current district/class. If the school knows they are roughly 3 kids from being bumped to the next class they can turn away X number of kids until the numbers are published. 3 kids is $24,000 a year, $96,000 for four years, so the answer is no. We have as many championships in 3A as 2A. We are at least 50 away from 3A. Do the math on that yourself. Ask our 3A down from 4A public school neighbors down the road about controlling enrollment. They worked the system to go down. Ask how many kids they have at Iota and Midland, and how many they sent at the last minute to the alternative school. Your mind is fogged up with . If private schools will not turn away paying students then why do some of them have testing requirements, interviews, sometimes put on waiting list, etc. before enrolling the student? Shouldn't any breathing child be able to walk in the door with their parents, fill out the paperwork and be given a schedule...no questions asked? My daughter goes to a private school and she was required to test to get in and was placed on a waiting list and had to wait until someone either choose not to attend or did not pay their deposit in time before she got in.
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Post by kinder1981 on Jun 28, 2017 16:04:25 GMT -6
3 kids is $24,000 a year, $96,000 for four years, so the answer is no. We have as many championships in 3A as 2A. We are at least 50 away from 3A. Do the math on that yourself. Ask our 3A down from 4A public school neighbors down the road about controlling enrollment. They worked the system to go down. Ask how many kids they have at Iota and Midland, and how many they sent at the last minute to the alternative school. Your mind is fogged up with . If private schools will not turn away paying students then why do some of them have testing requirements, interviews, sometimes put on waiting list, etc. before enrolling the student? Shouldn't any breathing child be able to walk in the door with their parents, fill out the paperwork and be given a schedule...no questions asked? My daughter goes to a private school and she was required to test to get in and was placed on a waiting list and had to wait until someone either choose not to attend or did not pay their deposit in time before she got in. I can name a few private schools that have one huge litmus test on who gets in and who doesn't.
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Post by indy on Jun 28, 2017 16:27:07 GMT -6
3 kids is $24,000 a year, $96,000 for four years, so the answer is no. We have as many championships in 3A as 2A. We are at least 50 away from 3A. Do the math on that yourself. Ask our 3A down from 4A public school neighbors down the road about controlling enrollment. They worked the system to go down. Ask how many kids they have at Iota and Midland, and how many they sent at the last minute to the alternative school. Your mind is fogged up with . If private schools will not turn away paying students then why do some of them have testing requirements, interviews, sometimes put on waiting list, etc. before enrolling the student? Shouldn't any breathing child be able to walk in the door with their parents, fill out the paperwork and be given a schedule...no questions asked? My daughter goes to a private school and she was required to test to get in and was placed on a waiting list and had to wait until someone either choose not to attend or did not pay their deposit in time before she got in. I'm sure some do. Some have limited size campuses. Some have testing, and some will turn kids away for discipline reasons. But I can tell you for a fact that public schools do also. I promise you if church point get close to 4A they will turn down students from St Landry parish. If iota gets close they will reject kids zoned to Crowley. Lafayette parish just added a school and will be turning kids down all over the parish. Crowley did a great job shuffling kids to the alternative school be in 3A. (Strictly for athletic reasons) I don't blame them one bit because they have zero chance in 4A. I guarantee you if Many gets close to 3A their rules will change. No two schools public and private are the same. You could spend a lifetime knit picking. Their are advantages and disadvantages in public and private schools. They both have good coaching and bad. Some Public schools have advantages over other public schools. Karr has a huge advantage over Cecelia , Rayne or Opelousas high. Many has a huge advantage over most all 2A schools.
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Post by indy on Jun 28, 2017 16:33:45 GMT -6
If private schools will not turn away paying students then why do some of them have testing requirements, interviews, sometimes put on waiting list, etc. before enrolling the student? Shouldn't any breathing child be able to walk in the door with their parents, fill out the paperwork and be given a schedule...no questions asked? My daughter goes to a private school and she was required to test to get in and was placed on a waiting list and had to wait until someone either choose not to attend or did not pay their deposit in time before she got in. I can name a few private schools that have one huge litmus test on who gets in and who doesn't. So not so smart football players get turned down and go to public schools. That's a huge advantage for private schools. Geez! Again has blurred your common sense.
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Post by kinder1981 on Jun 28, 2017 16:37:57 GMT -6
I can name a few private schools that have one huge litmus test on who gets in and who doesn't. So not so smart football players get turned down and go to public schools. That's a huge advantage for private schools. Again has blurred your common sense. I'm not talking about advantages, just saying that they do turn some down for other reasons. You like to point out Many as a "parish wide" school, but there are a few other Parishes with only one football school that do not have near the same level of success.
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Post by indy on Jun 28, 2017 16:43:57 GMT -6
So not so smart football players get turned down and go to public schools. That's a huge advantage for private schools. Again has blurred your common sense. I'm not talking about advantages, just saying that they do turn some down for other reasons. You like to point out Many as a "parish wide" school, but there are a few other Parishes with only one football school that do not have near the same level of success. Wildcat said privates had advantages I was debating with him, you butted in so advantages are assumed.
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Post by kinder1981 on Jun 28, 2017 16:47:01 GMT -6
I'm not talking about advantages, just saying that they do turn some down for other reasons. You like to point out Many as a "parish wide" school, but there are a few other Parishes with only one football school that do not have near the same level of success. Wildcat said privates had advantages I was debating with him, you butted in so advantages are assumed. You assumed wrong...again.
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Post by indy on Jun 28, 2017 16:54:36 GMT -6
Wildcat said privates had advantages I was debating with him, you butted in so advantages are assumed. You assumed wrong...again. Ok, right, you are against the split, major LOL!
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Post by 1stdown on Jun 28, 2017 16:55:35 GMT -6
Doesn't rapides have open enrollment?
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Post by kinder1981 on Jun 28, 2017 16:57:06 GMT -6
You assumed wrong...again. Ok, right, you are against the split, major LOL! I am against the unilateral split. Unlike you, I have proposed alternatives to the current situation, instead of whining about it constantly.
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Post by indy on Jun 28, 2017 16:59:12 GMT -6
Doesn't rapides have open enrollment? Yes, so does lafayette, Acadia, and all the Nola parishes. I'm sure others do to. They also have the manority-majority rule all over which is basically open enrollment.
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Post by kinder1981 on Jun 28, 2017 17:01:31 GMT -6
Doesn't rapides have open enrollment? Yes, so does lafayette, Acadia, and all the Nola parishes. I'm sure others do to. They also have the manority-majority rule all over which is basically open enrollment. You should really learn the difference between the two.
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Post by indy on Jun 28, 2017 18:17:45 GMT -6
Yes, so does lafayette, Acadia, and all the Nola parishes. I'm sure others do to. They also have the manority-majority rule all over which is basically open enrollment. You should really learn the difference between the two. I know the difference. But when kids switch schools at random any time with no penalty because they are black or white is pretty much open enrollment and ridiculous. Sorry if that offends anyone.
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Post by kinder1981 on Jun 28, 2017 18:19:26 GMT -6
You should really learn the difference between the two. I know the difference. But when kids switch schools at random any time with no penalty because they are black or white is pretty much open enrollment and ridiculous. Sorry if that offends anyone. You can't acknowledge there is a difference and say they are the same in a single sentence. That's contradicting yourself.
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Post by indy on Jun 28, 2017 18:23:05 GMT -6
I know the difference. But when kids switch schools at random any time with no penalty because they are black or white is pretty much open enrollment and ridiculous. Sorry if that offends anyone. You can't acknowledge there is a difference and say they are the same in a single sentence. That's contradicting yourself. Mea Culpa, I forget you are a legal secretary with
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Post by kinder1981 on Jun 28, 2017 18:25:06 GMT -6
You can't acknowledge there is a difference and say they are the same in a single sentence. That's contradicting yourself. Mea Culpa, I forget you are a legal secretary with You should try having an actual debate for once, without calling names or or any of that non-sense. Try sticking to the facts for once. People will take you more serious.
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Post by indy on Jun 28, 2017 18:28:01 GMT -6
Mea Culpa, I forget you are a legal secretary with You should try having an actual debate for once, without calling names or or any of that non-sense. Try sticking to the facts for once. People will take you more serious. You having is a fact.
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Post by kinder1981 on Jun 28, 2017 18:29:56 GMT -6
You should try having an actual debate for once, without calling names or or any of that non-sense. Try sticking to the facts for once. People will take you more serious. You having is a fact. I'll say it again, try being an adult and people will take you a little more serious.
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Post by indy on Jul 2, 2017 9:15:59 GMT -6
Transfers like the lineman from Lafayette last year is what people see when they already have a negative view of private schools. He could have transferred to iota or Rayne, but he chose Notre dame. I'm sure he wanted to go to a good program, and a school that fit his needs academically. I'm not saying anything was wrong! Just this is what people point to, but it happens at barbe all the time. Speaking of Barbe, no school does a better job of controlling their enrollment. They accept athletes from anywhere and to stay under the nut job 25% rule they sent the non athletes to Sam Houston. This has caused Sam Houston to move up to 5A where they don't belong. This far exceeds any "controlling enrollment" by any private school.
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Post by indy on Jul 2, 2017 9:19:35 GMT -6
Transfers like the lineman from Lafayette last year is what people see when they already have a negative view of private schools. He could have transferred to iota or Rayne, but he chose Notre dame. I'm sure he wanted to go to a good program, and a school that fit his needs academically. I'm not saying anything was wrong! Just this is what people point to, but it happens at barbe all the time. Speaking of Barbe, no school does a better job of controlling their enrollment. They accept athletes from anywhere and to stay under the nut job 25% rule. They have over 300 out of zone kids, that an average 2A enrollment extra they have added in just athletes. they sent the non athletes to Sam Houston. This has caused Sam Houston to move up to 5A where they don't belong. This far exceeds any "controlling enrollment" by any private school. And I asked Tyler why he chose ND and not Kinder where they had way more success lately. He looked confused and said "I never heard of Kinder, where is that?"
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Post by kinder1981 on Jul 2, 2017 9:25:15 GMT -6
Speaking of Barbe, no school does a better job of controlling their enrollment. They accept athletes from anywhere and to stay under the nut job 25% rule. They have over 300 out of zone kids, that an average 2A enrollment extra they have added in just athletes. they sent the non athletes to Sam Houston. This has caused Sam Houston to move up to 5A where they don't belong. This far exceeds any "controlling enrollment" by any private school. And I asked Tyler why he chose ND and not Kinder where they had way more success lately. He looked confused and said "I never heard of Kinder, where is that?" Hey look everyone, it's Wendy's daily cheep shot at Kinder! The bell was ringing.
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Post by indy on Jul 2, 2017 9:31:15 GMT -6
Hey look everyone, it's Wendy's daily cheep shot at Kinder! The bell was ringing. There is my little toy poodle chirping at my feet. So cool!
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