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Post by iamray on Aug 26, 2018 9:43:54 GMT -6
Overrated or not? They should be grateful for the split this year.
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Post by khsyellowjackets94 on Aug 26, 2018 11:51:41 GMT -6
Perhaps a little but i think its also a case of Union Parish being underrated. According to reports Union has a lot of returning players and good size on their lines. Their also returning some good skill players. Now lets not read too much into what happened. After all, it was a Jamboree and not a 48 minute game that actually counts in the W-L column.
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Post by Sixpack on Aug 26, 2018 13:20:28 GMT -6
Overrated or not? They should be grateful for the split this year. Welcome back Ray. You could have, I mean you should have come back sooner.
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Post by deadman318 on Aug 26, 2018 17:26:28 GMT -6
Evangel is definitely NOT overrated. Union Parish is DUE and DUE in a BIG WAY this year. Look for them week 2 at Calvary Baptist.
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Post by pinion on Aug 27, 2018 0:45:25 GMT -6
Overrated in what regards?
There are maybe 2-4 teams in the North Louisiana that could regularly hang with them. Perhaps a handful in South Louisiana that could regularly hang with them.
Almost every year there's people that talk about how overrated Evangel is, and Evangel goes and has a winning season.
For me, if you're playing a 5A schedule and taking on nationally ranked teams year in and year out, you're not overrated.
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Post by iamray on Aug 27, 2018 6:18:56 GMT -6
Overrated or not? They should be grateful for the split this year. Welcome back Ray. You could have, I mean you should have come back sooner. My man! I was specifically looking for you with this thread. My oldest adversary; it is good to be back old friend.
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Post by iamray on Aug 27, 2018 6:27:51 GMT -6
Overrated in what regards? There are maybe 2-4 teams in the North Louisiana that could regularly hang with them. Perhaps a handful in South Louisiana that could regularly hang with them. Almost every year there's people that talk about how overrated Evangel is, and Evangel goes and has a winning season. For me, if you're playing a 5A schedule and taking on nationally ranked teams year in and year out, you're not overrated. Technically 6-5 is a winning season. Surely that isn't good enough for Evangel fans, right? Or has this become the barometer of success for them? Besides, plenty of teams would have "winning" seasons if they got to beat up on Southwood, Airline and Capt. Shreve every year. Simply playing a 5A schedule is the most asinine metric for evaluating a team's strength. Natchitoches Central has been playing a 5A schedule for a while. Have we been underestimating them as well?
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Post by tigerfan87 on Aug 27, 2018 7:34:56 GMT -6
Overrated in what regards? There are maybe 2-4 teams in the North Louisiana that could regularly hang with them. Perhaps a handful in South Louisiana that could regularly hang with them. Almost every year there's people that talk about how overrated Evangel is, and Evangel goes and has a winning season. For me, if you're playing a 5A schedule and taking on nationally ranked teams year in and year out, you're not overrated. I think the point of this thread is about this season alone. I think everybody respects their program as a whole, and wouldn't call it overrated. It's simply the fact that they lost their jamboree to a team that was an average 3-a team last year. Now Union could end up just being that good this year but that score definitely got people talking. What makes this hard for me is I'm not sure how much hype there is for Evangel going into this season. Was this suppose to be a really good Evangel team or were fans expecting a possible down year by their standards?
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Post by dogwalk on Aug 27, 2018 8:29:33 GMT -6
Although the score surprised me to this game, I wouldn't call the Eagles overrated...anything can happen in a Jamboree. It is not a true contest, folks should take some of these scores with a grain of salt. There is a reason football is played for 4 quarters. The game with Union may have turn into a blow out in Evangels favor if it had been played for 4 quarters.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Aug 27, 2018 8:37:11 GMT -6
Yeah that is another reason I am hesitant to call Evangel overrated. Some coaches just refuse to show anything during a jamboree even if it means "losing" and others will try more to win it. No way to really know what happened here.
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Post by fuzzy on Aug 27, 2018 9:12:50 GMT -6
Yeah that is another reason I am hesitant to call Evangel overrated. Some coaches just refuse to show anything during a jamboree even if it means "losing" and others will try more to win it. No way to really know what happened here. I agree. Evangel isn't overrated. They aren't what they used to be and their offense isn't as dynamic as it used to be but they have a good quarterback that Denny will coach up. The moral of the story is that Union Parish is good. They would probably win district 1-4A if they played in it.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Aug 27, 2018 9:33:14 GMT -6
i think Union has a good chance to win 2-3A
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Post by wreckitralph on Aug 27, 2018 12:16:46 GMT -6
I may be tarred and feathered for this, but Union is honestly my favorite to win 3A this year.
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Post by pinion on Aug 30, 2018 9:27:50 GMT -6
Overrated in what regards? There are maybe 2-4 teams in the North Louisiana that could regularly hang with them. Perhaps a handful in South Louisiana that could regularly hang with them. Almost every year there's people that talk about how overrated Evangel is, and Evangel goes and has a winning season. For me, if you're playing a 5A schedule and taking on nationally ranked teams year in and year out, you're not overrated. Technically 6-5 is a winning season. Surely that isn't good enough for Evangel fans, right? Or has this become the barometer of success for them? Besides, plenty of teams would have "winning" seasons if they got to beat up on Southwood, Airline and Capt. Shreve every year. Simply playing a 5A schedule is the most asinine metric for evaluating a team's strength. Natchitoches Central has been playing a 5A schedule for a while. Have we been underestimating them as well? I'll sum it up this way: Are the OOS teams ECA plays asking to play anyone else in Louisiana? If they are, we know who those teams would be and they ain't Natch Central. You may not like it, but ECA is included in a very short list of teams that are the measuring stick of HS football in Louisiana. that's not overrated, that's just reality. My point to mention 5A is because that is the highest classification. ECA isn't ducking anyone and playing down.
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Post by iamray on Aug 30, 2018 10:25:12 GMT -6
Technically 6-5 is a winning season. Surely that isn't good enough for Evangel fans, right? Or has this become the barometer of success for them? Besides, plenty of teams would have "winning" seasons if they got to beat up on Southwood, Airline and Capt. Shreve every year. Simply playing a 5A schedule is the most asinine metric for evaluating a team's strength. Natchitoches Central has been playing a 5A schedule for a while. Have we been underestimating them as well? I'll sum it up this way: Are the OOS teams ECA plays asking to play anyone else in Louisiana? If they are, we know who those teams would be and they ain't Natch Central. You may not like it, but ECA is included in a very short list of teams that are the measuring stick of HS football in Louisiana. that's not overrated, that's just reality. My point to mention 5A is because that is the highest classification. ECA isn't ducking anyone and playing down. I agree no one is beating down NC's door asking to play them from out of state. I'm just saying that playing 5A teams, in of itself, doesn't merit anything. ECA is third all-time I believe for state titles. I'd never argue against them being one of the paramount programs in Louisiana football. I am not arguing their historical precedence, I am arguing that today they are not as good as the polls or others would tell you they are.
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Post by pinion on Aug 30, 2018 21:06:19 GMT -6
I'll sum it up this way: Are the OOS teams ECA plays asking to play anyone else in Louisiana? If they are, we know who those teams would be and they ain't Natch Central. You may not like it, but ECA is included in a very short list of teams that are the measuring stick of HS football in Louisiana. that's not overrated, that's just reality. My point to mention 5A is because that is the highest classification. ECA isn't ducking anyone and playing down. I agree no one is beating down NC's door asking to play them from out of state. I'm just saying that playing 5A teams, in of itself, doesn't merit anything. ECA is third all-time I believe for state titles. I'd never argue against them being one of the paramount programs in Louisiana football. I am not arguing their historical precedence, I am arguing that today they are not as good as the polls or others would tell you they are. You're basing the overrated opinion on a bloody scrimmage situation. One that they never go out and show all their cards in. If ECA had a history of going out to scrimmages and dropping people 50-0, then I would very likely agree with you because it would be a fair assessment based on what they always tend to do. But they did what they basically always tend to do and that was not put much on the board and not show much. I think the last (and only) poll I saw had ECA ranked in the bottom of the top 10 somewhere. I'd actually put money on them to beat over half the teams in the 10 they were listed with. Because the season hasn't started yet, you kind of have to go with what history shows. If you want to base it on a scrimmage, that's fine and you're welcome to your opinion. I have many reservations about ECA even having a mediocre offense this year and I'd still say they're doing what they're usually doing because I think their defense is going to be that solid. I wouldn't care if polls have them at 1 or at 50 at this point. Or really at any point since polls are nothing more than garbage put out there for us to play in because they don't carry any sort of weight. When they drop a couple of games to 1-5A teams, then I'll agree that they're overrated. My son's coach told me that "he only played a few downs in the scrimmage because I already know what he can do and I just wanted him to get his cleats dirty. If he's going to risk getting hurt, I'd rather it be when it matters, not when I'm evaluating underclassmen". and I have a feeling that Coach Dawson does a lot of that as well. Time will tell and maybe you're right. Maybe they are overrated. If that's the case, the truth will come out rather quickly since the season is here.
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Post by indy on Aug 30, 2018 21:13:44 GMT -6
I think the overrated part comes from the pedestal that the Evangel faithful put them on. We hear how good they are, how may championships they won, how many D1 players they produce, so anything short of a national championship is a bad season.
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Post by Southplaq on Aug 30, 2018 21:15:57 GMT -6
WTH??
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Post by BGH on Aug 30, 2018 22:24:52 GMT -6
I think the overrated part comes from the pedi stool that the Evangel faithful put them on. We hear how good they are, how may championships they won, how many D1 players they produce, so anything short of a national championship is a bad season.
"pedi stool" ??
You really shouldn't drink and type at the same time!!!!
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Post by indy on Aug 30, 2018 22:34:07 GMT -6
I think the overrated part comes from the pedi stool that the Evangel faithful put them on. We hear how good they are, how may championships they won, how many D1 players they produce, so anything short of a national championship is a bad season.
"pedi stool"Â ??
You really shouldn't drink and type at the same time!!!!
I corrected the autocorrect while drinking! Maybe you should try it sometimes, you might say something interesting.
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Post by BGH on Aug 31, 2018 7:20:33 GMT -6
"pedi stool" ??
You really shouldn't drink and type at the same time!!!!
I corrected the autocorrect while drinking! Maybe you should try it sometimes, you might say something interesting.
I wish I could say I don't drink because I am morally superior, but the truth is that I don't like the taste of any alcohol and I definitely don't like the after effect.
The "pedi stool" was funny, that is why I singled it out. But the rest of the post makes no sense either. Even if Evangel fans do indeed put them on a pedestal (I can name a half dozen other schools on this board with the same problem), how would that make them overrated? Are you suggesting that the Evangel fans control the polls? If they did, wouldn't Evangel be #1 in every poll?
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Post by iamray on Aug 31, 2018 7:43:38 GMT -6
I corrected the autocorrect while drinking! Maybe you should try it sometimes, you might say something interesting.
I wish I could say I don't drink because I am morally superior, but the truth is that I don't like the taste of any alcohol and I definitely don't like the after effect.
The "pedi stool" was funny, that is why I singled it out. But the rest of the post makes no sense either. Even if Evangel fans do indeed put them on a pedestal (I can name a half dozen other schools on this board with the same problem), how would that make them overrated? Are you suggesting that the Evangel fans control the polls? If they did, wouldn't Evangel be #1 in every poll? Not at all. Its quite simple, actually. Evangel is currently #6 in the 5A polls based solely on the opinion of the sportswriters. I believe their opinion of Evangel is too high. Based on that opinion I decided to create a poll and the majority of voters agree with me that Evangel is, indeed, overrated.
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Post by BGH on Aug 31, 2018 8:14:23 GMT -6
I wish I could say I don't drink because I am morally superior, but the truth is that I don't like the taste of any alcohol and I definitely don't like the after effect.
The "pedi stool" was funny, that is why I singled it out. But the rest of the post makes no sense either. Even if Evangel fans do indeed put them on a pedestal (I can name a half dozen other schools on this board with the same problem), how would that make them overrated? Are you suggesting that the Evangel fans control the polls? If they did, wouldn't Evangel be #1 in every poll? Not at all. Its quite simple, actually. Evangel is currently #6 in the 5A polls based solely on the opinion of the sportswriters. I believe their opinion of Evangel is too high. Based on that opinion I decided to create a poll and the majority of voters agree with me that Evangel is, indeed, overrated.
Why in the world are you answering for Indy??
I asked Indy several questions based on his previous post and you come back with an answer that is completely unrelated to what he said or what I asked.
If you are going to jump into a conversation, at least stay on topic. The topic I was discussing with Indy is his post that said, I think the overrated part comes from the pedestal that the Evangel faithful put them on. We hear how good they are, how many championships they won, how many D1 players they produce, so anything short of a national championship is a bad season.
Now if you want to jump in the middle of this conversation and tell me how "quite simple" it is, then please tell me how the Evangel faithful putting them on a pedestal influenced the LSWA polls.
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Post by iamray on Aug 31, 2018 9:58:57 GMT -6
Not at all. Its quite simple, actually. Evangel is currently #6 in the 5A polls based solely on the opinion of the sportswriters. I believe their opinion of Evangel is too high. Based on that opinion I decided to create a poll and the majority of voters agree with me that Evangel is, indeed, overrated.
Why in the world are you answering for Indy??
I asked Indy several questions based on his previous post and you come back with an answer that is completely unrelated to what he said or what I asked.
If you are going to jump into a conversation, at least stay on topic. The topic I was discussing with Indy is his post that said, I think the overrated part comes from the pedestal that the Evangel faithful put them on. We hear how good they are, how many championships they won, how many D1 players they produce, so anything short of a national championship is a bad season.
Now if you want to jump in the middle of this conversation and tell me how "quite simple" it is, then please tell me how the Evangel faithful putting them on a pedestal influenced the LSWA polls.
I started this conversation; so I can "jump in" at any point. You are responding in a thread I created. If you want to speak privately then DM him. Anything posted here can be responded to. It is how a message board functions. To your last "point," I'll say this: The Evangel "faithful" can do whatever they want, I don't think that has any bearing on what the sportswriters think - and it shouldn't. I am saying that Evangel is overrated based on their current ranking, which has nothing to do with how their fans feel about them - that would be an absurd metric. I created a poll and the majority of voters agree with me and believe Evangel is overrated. Simple. Would you like to respond to that?
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Post by BGH on Aug 31, 2018 15:34:00 GMT -6
Why in the world are you answering for Indy??
I asked Indy several questions based on his previous post and you come back with an answer that is completely unrelated to what he said or what I asked.
If you are going to jump into a conversation, at least stay on topic. The topic I was discussing with Indy is his post that said, I think the overrated part comes from the pedestal that the Evangel faithful put them on. We hear how good they are, how many championships they won, how many D1 players they produce, so anything short of a national championship is a bad season.
Now if you want to jump in the middle of this conversation and tell me how "quite simple" it is, then please tell me how the Evangel faithful putting them on a pedestal influenced the LSWA polls.
I started this conversation; so I can "jump in" at any point. You are responding in a thread I created. If you want to speak privately then DM him. Anything posted here can be responded to. It is how a message board functions. To your last "point," I'll say this: The Evangel "faithful" can do whatever they want, I don't think that has any bearing on what the sportswriters think - and it shouldn't. I am saying that Evangel is overrated based on their current ranking, which has nothing to do with how their fans feel about them - that would be an absurd metric. I created a poll and the majority of voters agree with me and believe Evangel is overrated. Simple. Would you like to respond to that?
I started this conversation; so I can "jump in" at any point. NO ...... the conversation I responded to was started by Indy, not you.
You are responding in a thread I created. YES ....... do you want a smiley face sticker or a lollipop?
If you want to speak privately then DM him. I don't want to speak privately ....... and don't tell me what to do.
Anything posted here can be responded to. It is how a message board functions. I'll be danged, I did not know that! What will they think of next?
To your last "point," I'll say this: The Evangel "faithful" can do whatever they want, I don't think that has any bearing on what the sportswriters think - and it shouldn't. I am saying that Evangel is overrated based on their current ranking, which has nothing to do with how their fans feel about them - that would be an absurd metric. That was not my last point ..... it was my only point. I thought it was silly for Indy to say that Evangel is overrated based on their fans putting them on a pedestal, and evidently you agree with me. So why didn't you just say this when I asked Indy about it, instead of giving your stupid irrelevant answer? I created a poll and the majority of voters agree with me and believe Evangel is overrated. Simple. Would you like to respond to that? Sure I would like to respond and thank you for the opportunity. My response is ....... I do not care! If I cared about your opinion or your poll I would have responded to your initial post and voted in your poll. But alas ..... I didn't ....... because I don't.
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Post by iamray on Aug 31, 2018 20:57:35 GMT -6
I started this conversation; so I can "jump in" at any point. You are responding in a thread I created. If you want to speak privately then DM him. Anything posted here can be responded to. It is how a message board functions. To your last "point," I'll say this: The Evangel "faithful" can do whatever they want, I don't think that has any bearing on what the sportswriters think - and it shouldn't. I am saying that Evangel is overrated based on their current ranking, which has nothing to do with how their fans feel about them - that would be an absurd metric. I created a poll and the majority of voters agree with me and believe Evangel is overrated. Simple. Would you like to respond to that?
I started this conversation; so I can "jump in" at any point. NO ...... the conversation I responded to was started by Indy, not you.
You are responding in a thread I created. YES ....... do you want a smiley face sticker or a lollipop?
If you want to speak privately then DM him. I don't want to speak privately ....... and don't tell me what to do.
Anything posted here can be responded to. It is how a message board functions. I'll be danged, I did not know that! What will they think of next?
To your last "point," I'll say this: The Evangel "faithful" can do whatever they want, I don't think that has any bearing on what the sportswriters think - and it shouldn't. I am saying that Evangel is overrated based on their current ranking, which has nothing to do with how their fans feel about them - that would be an absurd metric. That was not my last point ..... it was my only point. I thought it was silly for Indy to say that Evangel is overrated based on their fans putting them on a pedestal, and evidently you agree with me. So why didn't you just say this when I asked Indy about it, instead of giving your stupid irrelevant answer? I created a poll and the majority of voters agree with me and believe Evangel is overrated. Simple. Would you like to respond to that? Sure I would like to respond and thank you for the opportunity. My response is ....... I do not care! If I cared about your opinion or your poll I would have responded to your initial post and voted in your poll. But alas ..... I didn't ....... because I don't.
"NO.....the conversation I responded to was started by Indy, not you." - And that conversation only happened because I started this thread. So, yea, I started all of this."YES.....do you want a smiley face sticker or a lollipop?" - The hell is this? I think I'm starting to see the type of poster you are.
"I don't want to speak privately......and don't tell me what to do." - Uh-oh, somebody seems triggered. Don't be tetchy.
"I'll be danged, I did not know that! What will they think of next?"- An easier message board for you to try and operate?
"That was not my last point....it was my only point. I thought it was silly for Indy to say Evangel is overrated based on their fans putting them on a pedestal, and evidently you agree with me. So why didn't you just say this when I asked Indy about it, instead of giving your stupid irrelevant answer?"- Ahh, there it is. You're that guy who goes around insulting others opinions if they contest your own. That's cute; I see that sort of psychological behavior from elementary students all the time. My opinion is simple and based on a fact; it is not irrelevant or stupid. What is stupid is thinking someone on a public forum is out of line for responding to someone else in a public forum. Just so you know, I'm 30. So, why don't you show some decorum and challenge me intellectually instead of reverting to petulant grandstanding.
"Sure I would like to respond and than you for the opportunity. My response is....I do not care! If I cared about your opinion or poll I would have responded to your initial post and voted in your poll. But alas....I didn't....because I don't. - This is just paradoxical. Hard for me to believe you don't care when you took all that time to separate all of my quotes, change the font color and respond to each of them one at time. Yea, sure, you "don't care." I rustled your jimmies. Get over it. Oh, and uh, Evangel lost tonight.
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Post by BGH on Sept 1, 2018 8:27:25 GMT -6
I started this conversation; so I can "jump in" at any point. NO ...... the conversation I responded to was started by Indy, not you.
You are responding in a thread I created. YES ....... do you want a smiley face sticker or a lollipop?
If you want to speak privately then DM him. I don't want to speak privately ....... and don't tell me what to do.
Anything posted here can be responded to. It is how a message board functions. I'll be danged, I did not know that! What will they think of next?
To your last "point," I'll say this: The Evangel "faithful" can do whatever they want, I don't think that has any bearing on what the sportswriters think - and it shouldn't. I am saying that Evangel is overrated based on their current ranking, which has nothing to do with how their fans feel about them - that would be an absurd metric. That was not my last point ..... it was my only point. I thought it was silly for Indy to say that Evangel is overrated based on their fans putting them on a pedestal, and evidently you agree with me. So why didn't you just say this when I asked Indy about it, instead of giving your stupid irrelevant answer? I created a poll and the majority of voters agree with me and believe Evangel is overrated. Simple. Would you like to respond to that? Sure I would like to respond and thank you for the opportunity. My response is ....... I do not care! If I cared about your opinion or your poll I would have responded to your initial post and voted in your poll. But alas ..... I didn't ....... because I don't.
"NO.....the conversation I responded to was started by Indy, not you." - And that conversation only happened because I started this thread. So, yea, I started all of this."YES.....do you want a smiley face sticker or a lollipop?" - The hell is this? I think I'm starting to see the type of poster you are.
"I don't want to speak privately......and don't tell me what to do." - Uh-oh, somebody seems triggered. Don't be tetchy.
"I'll be danged, I did not know that! What will they think of next?"- An easier message board for you to try and operate?
"That was not my last point....it was my only point. I thought it was silly for Indy to say Evangel is overrated based on their fans putting them on a pedestal, and evidently you agree with me. So why didn't you just say this when I asked Indy about it, instead of giving your stupid irrelevant answer?"- Ahh, there it is. You're that guy who goes around insulting others opinions if they contest your own. That's cute; I see that sort of psychological behavior from elementary students all the time. My opinion is simple and based on a fact; it is not irrelevant or stupid. What is stupid is thinking someone on a public forum is out of line for responding to someone else in a public forum. Just so you know, I'm 30. So, why don't you show some decorum and challenge me intellectually instead of reverting to petulant grandstanding.
"Sure I would like to respond and thank you for the opportunity. My response is....I do not care! If I cared about your opinion or poll I would have responded to your initial post and voted in your poll. But alas....I didn't....because I don't. - This is just paradoxical. Hard for me to believe you don't care when you took all that time to separate all of my quotes, change the font color and respond to each of them one at time. Yea, sure, you "don't care." I rustled your jimmies. Get over it. Oh, and uh, Evangel lost tonight.
No paradox at all. I do not care about your poll nor do I care about your opinion, and I did not respond to either one. I simply responded to a post by Indy and asked him a question. You decided to answer for Indy (perfectly OK) but your answer was irrelevant because it had nothing to do with what I asked Indy.
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Post by retired on Sept 1, 2018 8:42:54 GMT -6
Really...are we attempting to discuss procedures and etiquette on a HS football message board? Is there a Robert's Rules of Order for message boards?
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Post by BGH on Sept 1, 2018 9:07:35 GMT -6
Really...are we attempting to discuss procedures and etiquette on a HS football message board? Is there a Robert's Rules of Order for message boards?
The Chair rules you are out of order.
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Post by iknownuthing on Sept 1, 2018 12:13:46 GMT -6
I think the overrated part comes from the pedi stool that the Evangel faithful put them on. We hear how good they are, how may championships they won, how many D1 players they produce, so anything short of a national championship is a bad season.
"pedi stool" ??
You really shouldn't drink and type at the same time!!!!
Ha. Now I don't care who you are that right there is funny.
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