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Post by retired on Sept 25, 2018 18:35:40 GMT -6
I still feel bad for the kid, but his parents sure are s that went about this all the wrong way. I agree 100%. But it always seems the punishment never affects the criminal. In this case though, how would one punish "the family"? In fact, aren't almost all cases involving eligibility and the LHSAA going to be more family/parent oriented as opposed to the student themselves?
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Post by indy on Sept 25, 2018 19:05:06 GMT -6
I agree 100%. But it always seems the punishment never affects the criminal. In this case though, how would one punish "the family"? In fact, aren't almost all cases involving eligibility and the LHSAA going to be more family/parent oriented as opposed to the student themselves? You punish a dad by making his teenage son ineligible?
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Post by CLEAN on Sept 25, 2018 19:23:37 GMT -6
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Post by iknownuthing on Sept 25, 2018 19:27:24 GMT -6
Well, im right and you are wrong, so there is that. Hard for me to change that fact. If it bothers you why dont you take it up with a shrink. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha..... so iff you believe a lie...............is it really a lie? .....this has actually become comical,few, if any people take you serious anymore, as the allegations you speak of are erroneous and completely false........time and time again. but by all means Carry on, the fact checking has become fun this is a miss quote, the actual quote and philosophical reasoning is very simple. "Jerry, just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it." George Costanza Philosophical underpinnings. If you truly believe that the K-rap coming out of your mouth is correct and true (veritas) than it is to you. It is not that you believe a lie someone else has spewed, it is an internal corruption of the soul not the believability of the liar. Believing the lie of others just makes you a naïve fool.
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Post by iknownuthing on Sept 25, 2018 19:31:15 GMT -6
But it is not going to court. The LHSAA wants to arbitrate. Arbiter may not even be a lawyer, but a sociologist or life coach. IE... college professor who will want to do what is fair or socially just and not necessarily seek justice by rule of law.
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Post by CLEAN on Sept 25, 2018 19:34:21 GMT -6
But it is not going to court. The LHSAA wants to arbitrate. Arbiter may not even be a lawyer, but a sociologist or life coach. IE... college professor who will want to do what is fair or socially just and not necessarily seek justice by rule of law. Aren't they going to court in the morning?
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Post by retired on Sept 25, 2018 19:39:24 GMT -6
In this case though, how would one punish "the family"? In fact, aren't almost all cases involving eligibility and the LHSAA going to be more family/parent oriented as opposed to the student themselves? You punish a dad by making his teenage son ineligible? You didn't answer my question. How would you punish "the family", since nearly all eligibility cases will be due to the actions of parents/guardians, and not the student. In this case, it seems that the parent was not being truthful and breaking rules to make the son eligible. Wouldn't it stand to reason that the correct course of action is to not allow that?
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Post by iknownuthing on Sept 25, 2018 19:43:20 GMT -6
But it is not going to court. The LHSAA wants to arbitrate. Arbiter may not even be a lawyer, but a sociologist or life coach. IE... college professor who will want to do what is fair or socially just and not necessarily seek justice by rule of law. Aren't they going to court in the morning? I was under the impression they were going to arbitration.
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Post by CLEAN on Sept 25, 2018 19:46:55 GMT -6
Aren't they going to court in the morning? I was under the impression they were going to arbitration. They better be in court. I just wrote an editorial about it for the paper.
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Post by indy on Sept 25, 2018 19:48:48 GMT -6
You punish a dad by making his teenage son ineligible? You didn't answer my question. How would you punish "the family", since nearly all eligibility cases will be due to the actions of parents/guardians, and not the student. In this case, it seems that the parent was not being truthful and breaking rules to make the son eligible. Wouldn't it stand to reason that the correct course of action is to not allow that? I don’t know what the correct answer is. Coaches get fined but usually it’s irrelevant. Ironically it’s the principals running the LHSAA so obviously they Aren’t going to punish the principals. But yet the principals take all the credit when everything goes right. Funny how a principal will accept a championship trophy but never any fault in an illegal transfer.
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Post by retired on Sept 25, 2018 20:26:22 GMT -6
You didn't answer my question. How would you punish "the family", since nearly all eligibility cases will be due to the actions of parents/guardians, and not the student. In this case, it seems that the parent was not being truthful and breaking rules to make the son eligible. Wouldn't it stand to reason that the correct course of action is to not allow that? I don’t know what the correct answer is. Coaches get fined but usually it’s irrelevant. Ironically it’s the principals running the LHSAA so obviously they Aren’t going to punish the principals. But yet the principals take all the credit when everything goes right. Funny how a principal will accept a championship trophy but never any fault in an illegal transfer. Got it. So, since you don't know what the correct procedures for the principals should be...how does that reflect on you?
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Post by indy on Sept 25, 2018 20:52:14 GMT -6
I don’t know what the correct answer is. Coaches get fined but usually it’s irrelevant. Ironically it’s the principals running the LHSAA so obviously they Aren’t going to punish the principals. But yet the principals take all the credit when everything goes right. Funny how a principal will accept a championship trophy but never any fault in an illegal transfer. Got it. So, since you don't know what the correct procedures for the principals should be...how does that reflect on you? Well let’s see. The principals run the LHSAA, they run their school, they hire the coaches, athletic director, athletic secretary and anyone involved. Yet when something happens with an ineligible player they never get fined, suspended, or fired. Yet coaches get suspended, fined, and fired and teenage kids get shafted by taking there high school years away because of principals not doing their job.
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Post by django on Sept 25, 2018 22:19:29 GMT -6
Got it. So, since you don't know what the correct procedures for the principals should be...how does that reflect on you? Well let’s see. The principals run the LHSAA, they run their school, they hire the coaches, athletic director, athletic secretary and anyone involved. Yet when something happens with an ineligible player they never get fined, suspended, or fired. Yet coaches get suspended, fined, and fired and teenage kids get shafted by taking there high school years away because of principals not doing their job. If you think that the everyday oversight of a school’s athletic program is high on a principal’s to do list, then there may be one more than just those darn principals
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Post by retired on Sept 26, 2018 5:13:01 GMT -6
Got it. So, since you don't know what the correct procedures for the principals should be...how does that reflect on you? Well let’s see. The principals run the LHSAA, they run their school, they hire the coaches, athletic director, athletic secretary and anyone involved. Yet when something happens with an ineligible player they never get fined, suspended, or fired. Yet coaches get suspended, fined, and fired and teenage kids get shafted by taking there high school years away because of principals not doing their job. Got it. They are all s, but when you are given the chance to show your superior ability with a fairly common task that falls under the purview of the LHSAA your answer is "I don't know what to do". When asked a second time, and given a second chance to show how much greater you are than these apparent s, you still fail the task. I will give you a third try to prove you are superior to these s. What should the result be for eligibility issues given the fact that they will almost always be due to the actions of the family/parent/guardian? Also just keep in mind that should ND win the trophy this year, their principal will be receiving an award on behalf of the school. Also keep in mind that coaches are not fined, the schools are fined. You say the coaches get punished, but never the principals however you seem to fail to recognize the coaches are only suspended from coaching duties. Coach Salt isn't sitting at home doing nothing. He gets up and goes to HHS everyday just like always, he just isn't allowed to participate with athletics during the suspension. The LHSAA's purview is only athletics. If a principal were to be involved in athletics (Say, at an Evangel, or a Curtis where that is more likely than at other schools) and that principal was deemed to have violated the rules, he/she could be suspended from coaching just the same as others. Heck, if Urban Meyer taught a class at OSU (like college coaches did years ago on all levels, and like still happens occasionally at lower levels and smaller schools) he could have still been able to teach during his suspension. Lastly, what "job" did the principals not do in this case?
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Post by indy on Sept 26, 2018 5:27:27 GMT -6
Well let’s see. The principals run the LHSAA, they run their school, they hire the coaches, athletic director, athletic secretary and anyone involved. Yet when something happens with an ineligible player they never get fined, suspended, or fired. Yet coaches get suspended, fined, and fired and teenage kids get shafted by taking there high school years away because of principals not doing their job. Got it. They are all s, but when you are given the chance to show your superior ability with a fairly common task that falls under the purview of the LHSAA your answer is "I don't know what to do". When asked a second time, and given a second chance to show how much greater you are than these apparent s, you still fail the task. I will give you a third try to prove you are superior to these s. What should the punishment be for eligibility issues given the fact that they will almost always be due to the actions of the family/parent/guardian? Also just keep in mind that should ND win the trophy this year, their principal will be receiving an award on behalf of the school. Also keep in mind that coaches are not fined, the schools are fined. Lastly, what "job" did the principals not do in this case? Ask the welsh coach about being fined. Principals run the LHSAA, they run their schools, they do accept trophies, but are never held accountable. All the wrongdoing happens under their nose. Self serving Principals have let this no zone and transferring issue get out of hand. I don’t know what the exact answer is but I do know the same principals that have Louisiana last in the nation in education are running the LHSAA into the ground. There are good ones out there but as often pointed out majority rules. I’m guessing you are a retired principal?
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Post by tigerfan87 on Sept 26, 2018 5:42:41 GMT -6
Well let’s see. The principals run the LHSAA, they run their school, they hire the coaches, athletic director, athletic secretary and anyone involved. Yet when something happens with an ineligible player they never get fined, suspended, or fired. Yet coaches get suspended, fined, and fired and teenage kids get shafted by taking there high school years away because of principals not doing their job. Got it. They are all s, but when you are given the chance to show your superior ability with a fairly common task that falls under the purview of the LHSAA your answer is "I don't know what to do". When asked a second time, and given a second chance to show how much greater you are than these apparent s, you still fail the task. I will give you a third try to prove you are superior to these s. What should the result be for eligibility issues given the fact that they will almost always be due to the actions of the family/parent/guardian? Also just keep in mind that should ND win the trophy this year, their principal will be receiving an award on behalf of the school. Also keep in mind that coaches are not fined, the schools are fined. You say the coaches get punished, but never the principals however you seem to fail to recognize the coaches are only suspended from coaching duties. Coach Salt isn't sitting at home doing nothing. He gets up and goes to HHS everyday just like always, he just isn't allowed to participate with athletics during the suspension. The LHSAA's purview is only athletics. If a principal were to be involved in athletics (Say, at an Evangel, or a Curtis where that is more likely than at other schools) and that principal was deemed to have violated the rules, he/she could be suspended from coaching just the same as others. Heck, if Urban Meyer taught a class at OSU (like college coaches did years ago on all levels, and like still happens occasionally at lower levels and smaller schools) he could have still been able to teach during his suspension. Lastly, what "job" did the principals not do in this case? Principals cast the actual vote which makes complete sense, but 90%+ are just doing the will of their coaches or athletic director. You might have a rogue principal here and there that come up with their own agenda to push but those are a very small group.
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Post by indy on Sept 26, 2018 5:47:39 GMT -6
Got it. They are all s, but when you are given the chance to show your superior ability with a fairly common task that falls under the purview of the LHSAA your answer is "I don't know what to do". When asked a second time, and given a second chance to show how much greater you are than these apparent s, you still fail the task. I will give you a third try to prove you are superior to these s. What should the result be for eligibility issues given the fact that they will almost always be due to the actions of the family/parent/guardian? Also just keep in mind that should ND win the trophy this year, their principal will be receiving an award on behalf of the school. Also keep in mind that coaches are not fined, the schools are fined. You say the coaches get punished, but never the principals however you seem to fail to recognize the coaches are only suspended from coaching duties. Coach Salt isn't sitting at home doing nothing. He gets up and goes to HHS everyday just like always, he just isn't allowed to participate with athletics during the suspension. The LHSAA's purview is only athletics. If a principal were to be involved in athletics (Say, at an Evangel, or a Curtis where that is more likely than at other schools) and that principal was deemed to have violated the rules, he/she could be suspended from coaching just the same as others. Heck, if Urban Meyer taught a class at OSU (like college coaches did years ago on all levels, and like still happens occasionally at lower levels and smaller schools) he could have still been able to teach during his suspension. Lastly, what "job" did the principals not do in this case? Principals cast the actual vote which makes complete sense, but 90%+ are just doing the will of their coaches or athletic director. You might have a rogue principal here and there that come up with their own agenda to push but those are a very small group. Lol, so I guess it’s a rogue principal here and there that has Louisiana in the gutter in education.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Sept 26, 2018 5:51:46 GMT -6
Principals cast the actual vote which makes complete sense, but 90%+ are just doing the will of their coaches or athletic director. You might have a rogue principal here and there that come up with their own agenda to push but those are a very small group. Lol, so I guess it’s a rogue principal here and there that has Louisiana in the gutter in education. No there is a number of issues and parties to blame for that and Principals are not at the top of that list.
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Post by indy on Sept 26, 2018 5:56:44 GMT -6
Lol, so I guess it’s a rogue principal here and there that has Louisiana in the gutter in education. No there is a number of issues and parties to blame for that and Principals are not at the top of that list. So the LHSAA run by the principals is a joke, our education system is last in the nation, also run by the same principals and you and others don’t hold principals accountable for anything. Maybe that’s our problem.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Sept 26, 2018 6:06:32 GMT -6
No there is a number of issues and parties to blame for that and Principals are not at the top of that list. So the LHSAA run by the principals is a joke, our education system is last in the nation, also run by the same principals and you and others don’t hold principals accountable for anything. Maybe that’s our problem. Our education system is not run by principals lol. You seriously believe that or you just messing with me? No way an adult can be that ignorant of how the world works.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Sept 26, 2018 6:12:20 GMT -6
And I'm all for more accountability in our society, that goes for all levels and all walks. But I also think you need a basic understanding of how a system or situation operates before you start assigning blame and checking for accountability.
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Post by iamray on Sept 26, 2018 6:15:44 GMT -6
Got it. They are all s, but when you are given the chance to show your superior ability with a fairly common task that falls under the purview of the LHSAA your answer is "I don't know what to do". When asked a second time, and given a second chance to show how much greater you are than these apparent s, you still fail the task. I will give you a third try to prove you are superior to these s. What should the punishment be for eligibility issues given the fact that they will almost always be due to the actions of the family/parent/guardian? Also just keep in mind that should ND win the trophy this year, their principal will be receiving an award on behalf of the school. Also keep in mind that coaches are not fined, the schools are fined. Lastly, what "job" did the principals not do in this case? Ask the welsh coach about being fined. Principals run the LHSAA, they run their schools, they do accept trophies, but are never held accountable. All the wrongdoing happens under their nose. Self serving Principals have let this no zone and transferring issue get out of hand. I don’t know what the exact answer is but I do know the same principals that have Louisiana last in the nation in education are running the LHSAA into the ground. There are good ones out there but as often pointed out majority rules. I’m guessing you are a retired principal? Not trolling, but do you really believe principals are the reason Louisiana has ranks so poorly in education? That couldn't be further from the truth. The LDOE has dropped the ball for years. Principals have no control over curriculum, standards, or grade level expectations. Those are all set at the state and federal level.
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Post by CLEAN on Sept 26, 2018 6:16:38 GMT -6
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Post by iamray on Sept 26, 2018 6:17:58 GMT -6
So the LHSAA run by the principals is a joke, our education system is last in the nation, also run by the same principals and you and others don’t hold principals accountable for anything. Maybe that’s our problem. Our education system is not run by principals lol. You seriously believe that or you just messing with me? No way an adult can be that ignorant of how the world works. To sit back and blame principals for a poor educational ranking is woefully ignorant. The LDOE is the problem.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Sept 26, 2018 6:20:25 GMT -6
Ask the welsh coach about being fined. Principals run the LHSAA, they run their schools, they do accept trophies, but are never held accountable. All the wrongdoing happens under their nose. Self serving Principals have let this no zone and transferring issue get out of hand. I don’t know what the exact answer is but I do know the same principals that have Louisiana last in the nation in education are running the LHSAA into the ground. There are good ones out there but as often pointed out majority rules. I’m guessing you are a retired principal? Not trolling, but do you really believe principals are the reason Louisiana has ranks so poorly in education? That couldn't be further from the truth. The LDOE has dropped the ball for years. Principals have no control over curriculum, standards, or grade level expectations. Those are all set at the state and federal level. He has zero idea how any of this works lol.
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Post by iamray on Sept 26, 2018 6:21:35 GMT -6
No there is a number of issues and parties to blame for that and Principals are not at the top of that list. So the LHSAA run by the principals is a joke, our education system is last in the nation, also run by the same principals and you and others don’t hold principals accountable for anything. Maybe that’s our problem. Principals are held accountable everyday. Believe it or not, academics are more important than football. However, you need to know that our education system is NOT run by principals. Really. It's run by bureaucrats at the state and federal level who design curricula, standards and grade-level expectations. Principals don't control any of that.
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Post by indy on Sept 26, 2018 6:50:55 GMT -6
Ask the welsh coach about being fined. Principals run the LHSAA, they run their schools, they do accept trophies, but are never held accountable. All the wrongdoing happens under their nose. Self serving Principals have let this no zone and transferring issue get out of hand. I don’t know what the exact answer is but I do know the same principals that have Louisiana last in the nation in education are running the LHSAA into the ground. There are good ones out there but as often pointed out majority rules. I’m guessing you are a retired principal? Not trolling, but do you really believe principals are the reason Louisiana has ranks so poorly in education? That couldn't be further from the truth. The LDOE has dropped the ball for years. Principals have no control over curriculum, standards, or grade level expectations. Those are all set at the state and federal level. Not that many years ago I would agree. But watching the principals take control of the LHSAA and in a short time ruin it, I beg to differ now. The LHSAA is broke, disorganized, in disarray, and has become a laughing stock. All in an effort to lower standards to make themselves appear to be successful. They split because of zones, then opened the floodgates. Total hypocrisy. Kids are crossing zones all over with no ramifications so do you blame the family for thinking their move is any different than what’s going on all over? The principals LHSAA is out of control, it’s on them.
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Post by iknownuthing on Sept 26, 2018 7:09:18 GMT -6
Not trolling, but do you really believe principals are the reason Louisiana has ranks so poorly in education? That couldn't be further from the truth. The LDOE has dropped the ball for years. Principals have no control over curriculum, standards, or grade level expectations. Those are all set at the state and federal level. Not that many years ago I would agree. But watching the principals take control of the LHSAA and in a short time ruin it, I beg to differ now. The LHSAA is broke, disorganized, in disarray, and has become a laughing stock. All in an effort to lower standards to make themselves appear to be successful. They split because of zones, then opened the floodgates. Total hypocrisy. Kids are crossing zones all over with no ramifications so do you blame the family for thinking their move is any different than what’s going on all over? The principals LHSAA is out of control, it’s on them. I agree with Indy, the principals are the ones that are responsible. They are the top administrator at their school and have final say on everything that goes on at the school including hiring teachers. Academically, they set the tone for the teachers. Teachers who feel the principal does not have their back do not teach well and live in fear. They set the discipline standards, if a teacher has a problem child and she sends them to the principal who turns around and sends him right back with no consequences, that sets the teacher up for failure and thus the class for failure. While principals no longer set curriculum which is the fault of the LDOE and the legislature, how that curriculum is administered is 100% principal. If you took the best public school in Lafayette, and gave them a 4th rate principal the standards would fall. Same goes for private schools. Those that have weak or the wrong style principal will see failure instead of success. An example is the new catholic school in Scott. When they opened they hired an ex-public school principal. The school struggled as she tried to run it like a public school. They finally terminated her and brought in a principal who not only knew the area and the people, but knew the private system and how to manage a private school. Now the school has flourished, the big change was the principal. Part of the problem in the LHSAA are the principals who no longer work for the good of the whole, but only for the good of themselves. Or so they think. But when you are a part of the whole and you are the cause of the whole's suffering then you own that responsibility. Don't get me wrong, there are some really great principals out there. Problem is, they are too few and live in fear of reprisal if they speak out against the majority.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Sept 26, 2018 7:28:18 GMT -6
Not that many years ago I would agree. But watching the principals take control of the LHSAA and in a short time ruin it, I beg to differ now. The LHSAA is broke, disorganized, in disarray, and has become a laughing stock. All in an effort to lower standards to make themselves appear to be successful. They split because of zones, then opened the floodgates. Total hypocrisy. Kids are crossing zones all over with no ramifications so do you blame the family for thinking their move is any different than what’s going on all over? The principals LHSAA is out of control, it’s on them. I agree with Indy, the principals are the ones that are responsible. They are the top administrator at their school and have final say on everything that goes on at the school including hiring teachers. Academically, they set the tone for the teachers. Teachers who feel the principal does not have their back do not teach well and live in fear. They set the discipline standards, if a teacher has a problem child and she sends them to the principal who turns around and sends him right back with no consequences, that sets the teacher up for failure and thus the class for failure. While principals no longer set curriculum which is the fault of the LDOE and the legislature, how that curriculum is administered is 100% principal. If you took the best public school in Lafayette, and gave them a 4th rate principal the standards would fall. Same goes for private schools. Those that have weak or the wrong style principal will see failure instead of success. An example is the new catholic school in Scott. When they opened they hired an ex-public school principal. The school struggled as she tried to run it like a public school. They finally terminated her and brought in a principal who not only knew the area and the people, but knew the private system and how to manage a private school. Now the school has flourished, the big change was the principal. Part of the problem in the LHSAA are the principals who no longer work for the good of the whole, but only for the good of themselves. Or so they think. But when you are a part of the whole and you are the cause of the whole's suffering then you own that responsibility. Don't get me wrong, there are some really great principals out there. Problem is, they are too few and live in fear of reprisal if they speak out against the majority. If what you said about Principals having control over everything at a school was true than I would agree with you. That's simply not reality. Almost everything is delegated down to them by bureaucrats at the local,state, and federal level who a lot of the time have never set foot in a classroom. In many areas they get no more say than the teachers. Now there are good and bad principals and they can make a positive or negative impact. A good principal can and will work within the system to create the best learning environment possible. They will take the initiative to be an advocate for the teachers when necessary but also for the students if teachers aren't doing their job. They will bend as many rules as possible. Those that simply do as they are told and don't have a passion for keeping their school disciplined and organized should not be in their field because that will erode the quality of a school quickly. With that said Principals are still way down the line on who is to blame for the failing education system. And the idea that the majority are self serving s is simply a creation of disgruntled minds. The majority almost assuredly do the best they can within a broken system. A system that was broken way above their pay grade. The issues with the LHSAA also run deeper than the principals who usually are just supporting what their athletic programs told them to support.
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Post by logic on Sept 26, 2018 9:06:05 GMT -6
The kid can play in the zone he lives in public or private, its that simple, sounds like the parents made some poor choices which cost there kid. Play in the zone you live and its a pretty simple rule too understand and the kid would never be in this position
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