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Post by Rick James on Jan 11, 2019 9:15:58 GMT -6
to take the Private school championship games out of the dome, and play them on the higher seeds home field...... Wondering if that's what Private schools want? It'll be up to them as I understand as only private schools get to vote on how their playoffs are run.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 9:49:56 GMT -6
I wonder what’s the reasoning behind this?
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Jan 11, 2019 10:58:59 GMT -6
to take the Private school championship games out of the dome, and play them on the higher seeds home field...... Wondering if that's what Private schools want? It'll be up to them as I understand as only private schools get to vote on how their playoffs are run. This would be terrible. Those kids all dream of playing in the Superdome
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Post by blake2448 on Jan 11, 2019 11:05:00 GMT -6
Didn't someone say the check their school received was far less than what was promised, causing the school to play for a state championship at a loss of revenue for the school? Maybe they are thinking more fans at a home game and little to no travel expenses?
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Post by Rick James on Jan 11, 2019 11:21:04 GMT -6
Didn't someone say the check their school received was far less than what was promised, causing the school to play for a state championship at a loss of revenue for the school? Maybe they are thinking more fans at a home game and little to no travel expenses? Yep....if you charge $10 a head, and have 10,000 people show up at the game you are talking about spliting close to $90,000 after expenses and the LHSAA getting it's cut.
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Post by blake2448 on Jan 11, 2019 11:24:03 GMT -6
Well most high school stadiums don't hold 10,000 people, I know when we played Caldwell it was standing room only around the entire track and it was only 3900 or so.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Jan 11, 2019 11:32:22 GMT -6
Didn't someone say the check their school received was far less than what was promised, causing the school to play for a state championship at a loss of revenue for the school? Maybe they are thinking more fans at a home game and little to no travel expenses? Yep....if you charge $10 a head, and have 10,000 people show up at the game you are talking about spliting close to $90,000 after expenses and the LHSAA getting it's cut. . 10,000 aren’t showing up in random towns for one game. I get why this is being proposed but I don’t think it’s the answer
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Post by Rick James on Jan 11, 2019 11:41:45 GMT -6
Yep....if you charge $10 a head, and have 10,000 people show up at the game you are talking about spliting close to $90,000 after expenses and the LHSAA getting it's cut. . 10,000 aren’t showing up in random towns for one game. I get why this is being proposed but I don’t think it’s the answer What's your estimate on a John Curtis/Catholic-BR game held somewhere other than the dome?
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Post by mt on Jan 11, 2019 12:21:19 GMT -6
Indy ran this down to us months ago. Reasoning is money. Promises not kept. Superdome costs are insanely high. A division III State game @ ULL would have been greatly profitable this year. Paraphrasing what indy said.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 12:53:05 GMT -6
Indy ran this down to us months ago. Reasoning is money. Promises not kept. Superdome costs are insanely high. A division III State game @ ULL would have been greatly profitable this year. Paraphrasing what indy said. Ok I do remember that discussion.
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Post by warriorsblue on Jan 11, 2019 14:51:06 GMT -6
Superdome in my opinion needs to come down on the price,,,, If I remember right or someone told me,,, ATT Stadium doesn't charge the UIL to play championship games in their facility... The owner of the AT&T stadium also owns the Star which always has high school teams playing in it. Somewhere back along the line,,it is supposed to be about the kids not how much profit you make.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jan 11, 2019 17:41:24 GMT -6
there used to be all kinds of games in the Superdome... playoff doubleheaders, Catholic League games... the John Curtis/someone else "classics"
even the Owls have played in it a few times
i'd be against allowing this, bc a championship game might not be at an adequate stadium if the wrong team earns the right to host it
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Post by blake2448 on Jan 11, 2019 17:46:45 GMT -6
I liked the idea of playing it at the regional college of the highest seed or in batonrouge I guess you could use memorial stadium. Most of the colleges have turf now so the field conditions should be fine.
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Post by bigrob on Jan 11, 2019 17:58:45 GMT -6
there used to be all kinds of games in the Superdome... playoff doubleheaders, Catholic League games... the John Curtis/someone else "classics"
even the Owls have played in it a few times
i'd be against allowing this, bc a championship game might not be at an adequate stadium if the wrong team earns the right to host it
That's why, just my opinion, the better way to do Superdome alternate host sites if they're really serious about it (I hope not, but some of the people in here bring up valid points) is to say the nearest available college stadium to the higher seed, with the higher division schools getting the first choice. For example, John Curtis would play in probably either Tulane Stadium or Tad Gormely, U-High would play in either Tiger Stadium, AW Mumford, or BREC, Notre Dame would almost certainly play at Cajun Field, and Ascension Catholic would probably play in either whichever New Orleans option John Curtis didn't pick or one of the last two U-High options.
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Post by kbanes on Jan 11, 2019 20:35:55 GMT -6
. 10,000 aren’t showing up in random towns for one game. I get why this is being proposed but I don’t think it’s the answer What's your estimate on a John Curtis/Catholic-BR game held somewhere other than the dome? Well, we had a Catholic vs. Zachary game played in Memorial Stadium this year, and frankly, I was a little disappointed in the crowd. My guess would have been less that 5,000. Probably quite a bit less. I know, it was Memorial Stadium. Nobody wants to go there. The reality is that there is nothing wrong with Memorial Stadium. It will be interesting to see what happens when the Collegiate Wood Bat league plays at Pete Goalsby the summer.
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Post by chickenhead on Jan 11, 2019 21:00:23 GMT -6
there used to be all kinds of games in the Superdome... playoff doubleheaders, Catholic League games... the John Curtis/someone else "classics"
even the Owls have played in it a few times
i'd be against allowing this, bc a championship game might not be at an adequate stadium if the wrong team earns the right to host it
That's why, just my opinion, the better way to do Superdome alternate host sites if they're really serious about it (I hope not, but some of the people in here bring up valid points) is to say the nearest available college stadium to the higher seed, with the higher division schools getting the first choice. For example, John Curtis would play in probably either Tulane Stadium or Tad Gormely, U-High would play in either Tiger Stadium, AW Mumford, or BREC, Notre Dame would almost certainly play at Cajun Field, and Ascension Catholic would probably play in either whichever New Orleans option John Curtis didn't pick or one of the last two U-High options. You won’t have to worry about Ascension Catholic playing in any more state championship games.
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Post by bigrob on Jan 11, 2019 22:24:01 GMT -6
That's why, just my opinion, the better way to do Superdome alternate host sites if they're really serious about it (I hope not, but some of the people in here bring up valid points) is to say the nearest available college stadium to the higher seed, with the higher division schools getting the first choice. For example, John Curtis would play in probably either Tulane Stadium or Tad Gormely, U-High would play in either Tiger Stadium, AW Mumford, or BREC, Notre Dame would almost certainly play at Cajun Field, and Ascension Catholic would probably play in either whichever New Orleans option John Curtis didn't pick or one of the last two U-High options. You won’t have to worry about Ascension Catholic playing in any more state championship games. I'm using this past year as an example. Thought that was clear in the words "for example" and "would have"
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Post by CLEAN on Jan 11, 2019 23:00:45 GMT -6
I love John Curtis but they don’t have big fan support.
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Post by coolaroola on Jan 12, 2019 0:19:20 GMT -6
I love John Curtis but they don’t have big fan support. For the most part... few privates do.
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Post by CrusadingLions on Jan 12, 2019 1:47:39 GMT -6
I love John Curtis but they don’t have big fan support. For the most part... few privates do. Not sure what part of the state you are talking about but around the Baton Rouge area the private schools have a ton of support, more than most public schools.
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Post by kbanes on Jan 12, 2019 8:51:04 GMT -6
For the most part... few privates do. Not sure what part of the state you are talking about but around the Baton Rouge area the private schools have a ton of support, more than most public schools. I might have to disagree with you here a little. (And in this discussion, by "support", I'm talking about crowd size.) I'm not saying that that Privates have less support. I think that they have about the same amount of support. I go to a lot of games, at a lot of different schools in the Baton Rouge area. The biggest factor in determining "support" is whether or not you are winning. Three years ago, Parkview was packed. This year, things were pretty sparse There is also a perception factor. Zachary has a huge stadium. U-High has a bread box. U-High looks well attended, but its crowd might fill a quarter of Zachary's home field side. If you consider Catholic's recent run, you would think that they would be packing Olympia field each home game. But they don't. Yes, some schools support their team better than others. But the biggest factor that I can see is not Public/Private.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Jan 12, 2019 16:18:37 GMT -6
. 10,000 aren’t showing up in random towns for one game. I get why this is being proposed but I don’t think it’s the answer What's your estimate on a John Curtis/Catholic-BR game held somewhere other than the dome? That is the only division where you would get crowd close to that. What do you think a stand alone D4 game would draw on either teams home field
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Post by sta4ever on Jan 12, 2019 18:13:53 GMT -6
Not sure what part of the state you are talking about but around the Baton Rouge area the private schools have a ton of support, more than most public schools. I might have to disagree with you here a little. (And in this discussion, by "support", I'm talking about crowd size.) I'm not saying that that Privates have less support. I think that they have about the same amount of support. I go to a lot of games, at a lot of different schools in the Baton Rouge area. The biggest factor in determining "support" is whether or not you are winning. Three years ago, Parkview was packed. This year, things were pretty sparse There is also a perception factor. Zachary has a huge stadium. U-High has a bread box. U-High looks well attended, but its crowd might fill a quarter of Zachary's home field side. If you consider Catholic's recent run, you would think that they would be packing Olympia field each home game. But they don't. Yes, some schools support their team better than others. But the biggest factor that I can see is not Public/Private. The 3 Ascension public schools usually have pretty big crowds especially when they play each other
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Post by indy on Jan 12, 2019 19:05:49 GMT -6
If ND and Catholic NI only drew 5,000 fans and we played in Crowley @$15 thats $75K gross. After refs, security, and 10% to the LHSAA we would each net well over $30 k. As apposed to losing $5k in the dome. Playing for a state championship representing your school is the prize, not playing under a roof.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Jan 13, 2019 8:46:51 GMT -6
If ND and Catholic NI only drew 5,000 fans and we played in Crowley @$15 thats $75K gross. After refs, security, and 10% to the LHSAA we would each net well over $30 k. As apposed to losing $5k in the dome. Playing for a state championship representing your school is the prize, not playing under a roof. Yes, it’s about representing your school and playing for a state championship, but I said it early in this thread and I’ll say it again. These kids dream of playing in the Superdome, where most of them’s favorite professional team plays. And where huge college games are played. It’s equally part of the experience for the kids. Especially those that get there for the first (or only) time. How many painted cars or signs do you see around town that say “Dome Bound” or something similar? In Lafayette, it a lot, regardless of which team is going. Playing there is synonymous with playing for a state title. Not to mention you never have to be concerned with ice storms or other brutal weather that can hugely impact who wins the title. In 2017 south Louisiana had an ice storm on the select championship weekend. How many games would that have affected? I know weather is part of football, but get through it and “make it to the dome”. Two teams, level playing field. Also, imagine the financial impact on the numbers provided here, if the game was held outdoors, in sleet and freezing rain. If the dome needs to help out financially, or some other solution comes up, these games HAVE to stay in the Superdone. For the kids sake.
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Post by CLEAN on Jan 13, 2019 11:10:24 GMT -6
I’m tired of the Dome.
I like outside football.
I was there when it was held in Shreveport and loved it although the crowds were small.
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Post by indy on Jan 13, 2019 11:41:09 GMT -6
If ND and Catholic NI only drew 5,000 fans and we played in Crowley @$15 thats $75K gross. After refs, security, and 10% to the LHSAA we would each net well over $30 k. As apposed to losing $5k in the dome. Playing for a state championship representing your school is the prize, not playing under a roof. Yes, it’s about representing your school and playing for a state championship, but I said it early in this thread and I’ll say it again. These kids dream of playing in the Superdome, where most of them’s favorite professional team plays. And where huge college games are played. It’s equally part of the experience for the kids. Especially those that get there for the first (or only) time. How many painted cars or signs do you see around town that say “Dome Bound” or something similar? In Lafayette, it a lot, regardless of which team is going. Playing there is synonymous with playing for a state title. Not to mention you never have to be concerned with ice storms or other brutal weather that can hugely impact who wins the title. In 2017 south Louisiana had an ice storm on the select championship weekend. How many games would that have affected? I know weather is part of football, but get through it and “make it to the dome”. Two teams, level playing field. Also, imagine the financial impact on the numbers provided here, if the game was held outdoors, in sleet and freezing rain. If the dome needs to help out financially, or some other solution comes up, these games HAVE to stay in the Superdone. For the kids sake. Our kids dream about playing for a state title. If coach told them we were playing in a rice field they wouldn’t say a word. With that said the Dome is fine and has advantages. But the s running the LHSAA are whoring out the kids so they can make a buck.
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Post by kbanes on Jan 13, 2019 14:13:27 GMT -6
I might have to disagree with you here a little. (And in this discussion, by "support", I'm talking about crowd size.) I'm not saying that that Privates have less support. I think that they have about the same amount of support. I go to a lot of games, at a lot of different schools in the Baton Rouge area. The biggest factor in determining "support" is whether or not you are winning. Three years ago, Parkview was packed. This year, things were pretty sparse There is also a perception factor. Zachary has a huge stadium. U-High has a bread box. U-High looks well attended, but its crowd might fill a quarter of Zachary's home field side. If you consider Catholic's recent run, you would think that they would be packing Olympia field each home game. But they don't. Yes, some schools support their team better than others. But the biggest factor that I can see is not Public/Private. The 3 Ascension public schools usually have pretty big crowds especially when they play each other Yes, they do. But I was shocked when there were empty seats at the East Ascension/St. Amant game this year. Not a lot, but empty seats at a huge game between local teams. I've only been to one hard sellout at high school games it the 10 years that I have been shooting them. Scotlandville at Zachary in 2015. Also the best high school game that I've ever witnessed.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jan 14, 2019 7:36:40 GMT -6
I’m tired of the Dome. I like outside football. I was there when it was held in Shreveport and loved it although the crowds were small. if you like outdoor football, there are 14 other weeks of the season for you
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Post by CLEAN on Jan 14, 2019 9:04:41 GMT -6
I’m tired of the Dome. I like outside football. I was there when it was held in Shreveport and loved it although the crowds were small. if you like outdoor football, there are 14 other weeks of the season for you I played in the Dome. I know who you are. You ain’t ever even played the game.
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