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Post by Thumper01 on Feb 14, 2019 19:18:24 GMT -6
LHSAA meeting addressed the many fights at games, threats against refs, fights with the Police. It is sad to watch our society continue to get worse, God help us...
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Post by BGH on Feb 14, 2019 19:40:54 GMT -6
LHSAA meeting addressed the many fights at games, threats against refs, fights with the Police. It is sad to watch our society continue to get worse, God help us...
The LHSAA has openly condoned disobedience to Law Enforcement and school administration authorities. Why would they expect anything different at their games? You reap what you sow.
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Post by CLEAN on Feb 15, 2019 5:38:42 GMT -6
I read the article.
They’’re saying not to “berate” the refs at high school events.
I’ll bet plenty of them wee berating the officials after the Saints/Rams and LSU/A&M games.
I saw many coaches talking trash on social media and posting memes following those two events.
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Post by doublej on Feb 15, 2019 7:59:22 GMT -6
So many officials need berating. As well as, glasses.
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Post by genocide on Feb 15, 2019 11:11:51 GMT -6
LHSAA meeting addressed the many fights at games, threats against refs, fights with the Police. It is sad to watch our society continue to get worse, God help us...
The LHSAA has openly condoned disobedience to Law Enforcement and school administration authorities. Why would they expect anything different at their games? You reap what you sow.
Please give examples.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 14:07:00 GMT -6
So many officials need berating. As well as, glasses. Amen. Officials suck.
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Post by TheFireman89 on Feb 15, 2019 16:48:34 GMT -6
If the NFL had fulltime or at least better paid refs the quality would rise. The NFL refs got regular jobs just like us and do that stuff as a side hustle basically.
If the LHSAA actually made being a ref worth it financially then you would get guys and gals who would be good at it signing up. I wanted to ref in college until I saw how much they get paid. Its sad when The Town Talk pays freelancers better than referees get paid. Comes down to you get what you pay for. And lets not even bring up the fact that the lower in class you get, the lower in quality referee you are getting. At least in football
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Post by CLEAN on Feb 15, 2019 16:57:38 GMT -6
If the NFL had fulltime or at least better paid refs the quality would rise. The NFL refs got regular jobs just like us and do that stuff as a side hustle basically. If the LHSAA actually made being a ref worth it financially then you would get guys and gals who would be good at it signing up. I wanted to ref in college until I saw how much they get paid. Its sad when The Town Talk pays freelancers better than referees get paid. Comes down to you get what you pay for. And lets not even bring up the fact that the lower in class you get, the lower in quality referee you are getting. At least in football I covered a game for the paper this year and got paid 40 bucks. The clock operator told me he was getting $70.
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Post by CLEAN on Feb 15, 2019 17:01:29 GMT -6
The Town Talk probably pays $70 per game.
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Post by TheFireman89 on Feb 15, 2019 17:01:31 GMT -6
If the NFL had fulltime or at least better paid refs the quality would rise. The NFL refs got regular jobs just like us and do that stuff as a side hustle basically. If the LHSAA actually made being a ref worth it financially then you would get guys and gals who would be good at it signing up. I wanted to ref in college until I saw how much they get paid. Its sad when The Town Talk pays freelancers better than referees get paid. Comes down to you get what you pay for. And lets not even bring up the fact that the lower in class you get, the lower in quality referee you are getting. At least in football I covered a game for the paper this year and got paid 40 bucks. The clock operator told me he was getting $70. How far did he have to travel though. I got 40-50 to go to Bolton and ASH and Menard which are a short drive from LC. Occasionally Buckeye or Jena but I liked going out there cause they feed reporters out there
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Post by TheFireman89 on Feb 15, 2019 17:03:39 GMT -6
The Town Talk probably pays $70 per game. Definately not. I got 40-50 a game. And I would sometimes go 3 or 4 months before they even gave me my check. Thats why they can't keep stringers around. I had to threaten to get a lawyer before they paid me what I was owed. And even then it wasnt everything. Been away from that paper for almost two years and I just got the last of what I was owed a couple months ago from the parent company
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Post by CLEAN on Feb 15, 2019 17:05:06 GMT -6
You string, too? 👀
When I was an official in the mid-90s, I got like $35-40 for a 5A game if I recall correctly. The certified officials were getting around $65 back then.
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Post by CLEAN on Feb 15, 2019 17:07:24 GMT -6
The Town Talk probably pays $70 per game. Definately not. I got 40-50 a game. And I would sometimes go 3 or 4 months before they even gave me my check. Thats why they can't keep stringers around. I had to threaten to get a lawyer before they paid me what I was owed. And even then it wasnt everything. Been away from that paper for almost two years and I just got the last of what I was owed a couple months ago from the parent company 😀😀😀 I hear you. Lafayette pays more than Alexandria. I’m doing my first assignment for The Advocate tonight. I’m actually sitting here at Teurlings Catholic waiting for their girls soccer semi vs U-High.
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Post by CLEAN on Feb 15, 2019 17:08:05 GMT -6
The Town Talk probably pays $70 per game. Definately not. I got 40-50 a game. And I would sometimes go 3 or 4 months before they even gave me my check. Thats why they can't keep stringers around. I had to threaten to get a lawyer before they paid me what I was owed. And even then it wasnt everything. Been away from that paper for almost two years and I just got the last of what I was owed a couple months ago from the parent company Who was the sports editor?
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Post by TheFireman89 on Feb 15, 2019 17:15:21 GMT -6
You string, too? 👀 When I was an official in the mid-90s, I got like $35-40 for a 5A game if I recall correctly. The certified officials were getting around $65 back then. I did for several years until I started coaching this year. The local guys know they can get an Elton article if they need it and I submit to CCS but my main focus is coaching now.
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Post by TheFireman89 on Feb 15, 2019 17:16:20 GMT -6
Definately not. I got 40-50 a game. And I would sometimes go 3 or 4 months before they even gave me my check. Thats why they can't keep stringers around. I had to threaten to get a lawyer before they paid me what I was owed. And even then it wasnt everything. Been away from that paper for almost two years and I just got the last of what I was owed a couple months ago from the parent company Who was the sports editor? Lamar Gafford. He's a great guy and mentor. He did everything he did to help me get my money because he needs the extra help but it always came to the head guy over there causing the problems
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Post by CLEAN on Feb 15, 2019 17:21:06 GMT -6
That’s Gannett, right?
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Post by BGH on Feb 15, 2019 20:27:05 GMT -6
The LHSAA has openly condoned disobedience to Law Enforcement and school administration authorities. Why would they expect anything different at their games? You reap what you sow.
Please give examples.
I won't go into names, but I will submit a now famous, or infamous, incident that happened a couple of years ago. Here is the preface to what happened.
Two high school teams were warming up before a game. Depending on whose side you believe, there was, or was not, an agreement to end pregame warmups a little early in order for the home team to have a special pregame ceremony.
When the time came to leave the field the home team left, but the visitors did not. After a little time the PA system asked that the field be cleared for the ceremony, but the visitors ignored the request. Seeing no action, it was again announced on the PA system for the field to be cleared. The visitors again refused to leave the field so the police asked the coach personally to have his team leave the field. The coach refused. The home team principal finally told the police to tell him to leave or he would be force-ably removed. The coach again refused, and was handcuffed and taken off of the field.
So many things were done wrong in this story, and there was plenty of blame by all parties to go around. Arguments can be made that both sides were right or wrong, and arguments can be made about who was most at fault.
But one irrefutable fact is that this high school coach refused to follow the instructions of the school administrators who had authority over everything on the campus (except the game officials). This high school coach then refused to follow the instruction of the police officer several times until they forcibly removed him from the field. He did all of this in front of his team, the other team, and all the fans in the stand.
The LHSAA took no action against the coach, and therefore exonerated him of his unlawful actions. By doing so, in my opinion, the LHSAA made a statement (by their actions) that it is perfectly OK to disobey a police officer or school administrator.
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Post by Southplaq on Feb 15, 2019 21:23:08 GMT -6
Good luck with this rule! You have a better chance of end NFL overturning the super bowl game and allowing the Saints and Patriots to replay it.
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Post by CLEAN on Feb 15, 2019 23:03:08 GMT -6
You string, too? 👀 When I was an official in the mid-90s, I got like $35-40 for a 5A game if I recall correctly. The certified officials were getting around $65 back then. I did for several years until I started coaching this year. The local guys know they can get an Elton article if they need it and I submit to CCS but my main focus is coaching now. I quit working for $40. I was getting $35 from the same place in 1999. If I have to drive to Lafayette, that’s $10 gas so I’m going to get 30 for 6 hours of my time? Hell, nah
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Post by TheFireman89 on Feb 15, 2019 23:36:44 GMT -6
I did for several years until I started coaching this year. The local guys know they can get an Elton article if they need it and I submit to CCS but my main focus is coaching now. I quit working for $40. I was getting $35 from the same place in 1999. If I have to drive to Lafayette, that’s $10 gas so I’m going to get 30 for 6 hours of my time? Hell, nah Exactly the point I'm making about the refs. If they are getting $75-$80 to go from Alexandria to Pickering or Olla or Many or Bunkie or Jonesville then half or more of that money is going to fuel anyways, plus possibly a meal. All to get cursed and degraded and hated. Most people would say heck no.
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Post by BGH on Feb 16, 2019 11:30:17 GMT -6
I quit working for $40. I was getting $35 from the same place in 1999. If I have to drive to Lafayette, that’s $10 gas so I’m going to get 30 for 6 hours of my time? Hell, nah Exactly the point I'm making about the refs. If they are getting $75-$80 to go from Alexandria to Pickering or Olla or Many or Bunkie or Jonesville then half or more of that money is going to fuel anyways, plus possibly a meal. All to get cursed and degraded and hated. Most people would say heck no.
I have been fairly critical of officials in general. From high school to college to professional, it seem like the older I get the worse the officials seem to get (maybe it is just that I am getting older and more cynical). On the other hand, I would not volunteer to do what they do. I have done enough youth leagues and men's church leagues to know I would not want to do the job on that level.
I suppose that brings the question, why do they do it? Is it for the money? If they are treating it as a second job I have no problem with that. I certainly don't think we should expect them to do it for free or lose money for traveling. I am sure that there are some that do it just for the power they perceive they wield (some people become law enforcement for this reason and I think it is the worst reason to take the job). But I suspect most of them are doing it simply because they love the game and want to be a part of it as long as they can.
I do Civil War reenacting. We easily spend well over a thousand dollars equipping ourselves to begin the hobby. Then we spend money buying supplies and traveling to each event. We camp out in the heat, cold, or storms, only to wear wool uniforms and march in the heat, or mud, or cold. We spend hours of labor setting up our camp each time, and hours taking it down. Each time as we finish taking down our camp and we are worn out from a three day weekend, just before we leave we look at each other and laughing say, tell me again why we do this. Without answering, we all know we do it because we love it.
Even with all the trials and aggravations, I suspect most official do it because they love it.
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Post by bhossmac on Feb 16, 2019 16:52:18 GMT -6
If the NFL had fulltime or at least better paid refs the quality would rise. The NFL refs got regular jobs just like us and do that stuff as a side hustle basically. If the LHSAA actually made being a ref worth it financially then you would get guys and gals who would be good at it signing up. I wanted to ref in college until I saw how much they get paid. Its sad when The Town Talk pays freelancers better than referees get paid. Comes down to you get what you pay for. And lets not even bring up the fact that the lower in class you get, the lower in quality referee you are getting. At least in football I'm a freelance journalist and an official, and that's simply not true. I make a whole lot more money officiating than I ever will as a freelance journalist. We all want more money. Heck, I want more money at my day job. But if you're willing to work (both at your craft, and accepting games) then you can make a good second income as a high school official. I recommend it to all of my former athletes who are looking to make some money while going to college. We are always looking for new officials, if anyone out there who thinks officials suck wants to sign up to help.
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Post by bhossmac on Feb 16, 2019 16:58:43 GMT -6
Exactly the point I'm making about the refs. If they are getting $75-$80 to go from Alexandria to Pickering or Olla or Many or Bunkie or Jonesville then half or more of that money is going to fuel anyways, plus possibly a meal. All to get cursed and degraded and hated. Most people would say heck no.
I have been fairly critical of officials in general. From high school to college to professional, it seem like the older I get the worse the officials seem to get (maybe it is just that I am getting older and more cynical). On the other hand, I would not volunteer to do what they do. I have done enough youth leagues and men's church leagues to know I would not want to do the job on that level.
I suppose that brings the question, why do they do it? Is it for the money? If they are treating it as a second job I have no problem with that. I certainly don't think we should expect them to do it for free or lose money for traveling. I am sure that there are some that do it just for the power they perceive they wield (some people become law enforcement for this reason and I think it is the worst reason to take the job). But I suspect most of them are doing it simply because they love the game and want to be a part of it as long as they can.
I do Civil War reenacting. We easily spend well over a thousand dollars equipping ourselves to begin the hobby. Then we spend money buying supplies and traveling to each event. We camp out in the heat, cold, or storms, only to wear wool uniforms and march in the heat, or mud, or cold. We spend hours of labor setting up our camp each time, and hours taking it down. Each time as we finish taking down our camp and we are worn out from a three day weekend, just before we leave we look at each other and laughing say, tell me again why we do this. Without answering, we all know we do it because we love it.
Even with all the trials and aggravations, I suspect most official do it because they love it.
Everyone has his or her own reasons for doing it. I started to stay involved with sports. I had no clue if I'd enjoy it or be any good at it. I found out that I really, really loved it. I genuinely have fun officiating. The older I get, the more some things annoy me, but like anything you do in life, you have to weigh whether the pros outweigh the cons. For me, it's not even a question. There are so many pros. I like to tell my wife that she's lucky. I don't hunt or fish, and I only play golf a couple of times per year. Instead of having a really expensive hobby, I actually make extra money doing mine.
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Post by coachtanklo on Feb 16, 2019 21:11:03 GMT -6
When I am done with coaching , I will officiate . The money will be ALOT better than what I make now for coaching and the hours are better !!
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Post by indy on Feb 17, 2019 6:58:45 GMT -6
The LHSAA is made up of self serving principals that can’t pay their own bills. They are in no position to tell parents how to act. They need to worry about cleaning up their own act first. Geez
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Post by cvwildcatfan on Feb 17, 2019 10:31:07 GMT -6
I won't go into names, but I will submit a now famous, or infamous, incident that happened a couple of years ago. Here is the preface to what happened.
Two high school teams were warming up before a game. Depending on whose side you believe, there was, or was not, an agreement to end pregame warmups a little early in order for the home team to have a special pregame ceremony.
When the time came to leave the field the home team left, but the visitors did not. After a little time the PA system asked that the field be cleared for the ceremony, but the visitors ignored the request. Seeing no action, it was again announced on the PA system for the field to be cleared. The visitors again refused to leave the field so the police asked the coach personally to have his team leave the field. The coach refused. The home team principal finally told the police to tell him to leave or he would be force-ably removed. The coach again refused, and was handcuffed and taken off of the field.
So many things were done wrong in this story, and there was plenty of blame by all parties to go around. Arguments can be made that both sides were right or wrong, and arguments can be made about who was most at fault.
But one irrefutable fact is that this high school coach refused to follow the instructions of the school administrators who had authority over everything on the campus (except the game officials). This high school coach then refused to follow the instruction of the police officer several times until they forcibly removed him from the field. He did all of this in front of his team, the other team, and all the fans in the stand.
The LHSAA took no action against the coach, and therefore exonerated him of his unlawful actions. By doing so, in my opinion, the LHSAA made a statement (by their actions) that it is perfectly OK to disobey a police officer or school administrator.
that coach won his lawsuit if i remember right.
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Post by deadman318 on Feb 17, 2019 10:46:22 GMT -6
LHSAA meeting addressed the many fights at games, threats against refs, fights with the Police. It is sad to watch our society continue to get worse, God help us... Until coaches start to be removed from games and parents be removed from the stands the berating the officials is only going to get worse. Pretty simple, you give the coaches the warning before the game starts and you tell the coaches - first time its a 15 yd penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct, the second you get tossed. If they have to give a sideline warning for the parents screaming its a 15 yd penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct, and the second the coach gets tossed. Every game I have coached in where the referees have done these two specific things and relayed it to both coaching staffs PRIOR TO THE GAME BEGINNING, the game went along just fine. You might have had one penalty but that was it. No head coach wants to get tossed because of an assistant shooting their mouth off and darn sure not because of an ignorant parent who has no idea what they are talking about. If you would have been to the Loyola - North Webster game in Shreveport you would have seen parents and officials at their worst. If it wasn't for the Flyer coaching staff I do believe that everything would have gotten out of hand. There were police on the field, twice in that game. The coaches did their best, but until you start removing parents that just won't stop screaming from the stands and instigating other parents to do just as bad it'll continue to get worse. Parents think they are on the same level as the coaches and it's just not the case. Because of the parents and officials who let things get out of hand I do believe at one time Loyola had a 1st and 55... It was surreal to say the least. When I stop coaching I would like to think that I would want to officiate. I have good knowledge of the game, a pretty good threshold and a lot of patience. However, I don't think I would want to subject myself to that. I just can't see myself doing that for the amount of money they make. No job is worth that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 11:27:48 GMT -6
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Post by BGH on Feb 17, 2019 13:49:09 GMT -6
I won't go into names, but I will submit a now famous, or infamous, incident that happened a couple of years ago. Here is the preface to what happened.
Two high school teams were warming up before a game. Depending on whose side you believe, there was, or was not, an agreement to end pregame warmups a little early in order for the home team to have a special pregame ceremony.
When the time came to leave the field the home team left, but the visitors did not. After a little time the PA system asked that the field be cleared for the ceremony, but the visitors ignored the request. Seeing no action, it was again announced on the PA system for the field to be cleared. The visitors again refused to leave the field so the police asked the coach personally to have his team leave the field. The coach refused. The home team principal finally told the police to tell him to leave or he would be force-ably removed. The coach again refused, and was handcuffed and taken off of the field.
So many things were done wrong in this story, and there was plenty of blame by all parties to go around. Arguments can be made that both sides were right or wrong, and arguments can be made about who was most at fault.
But one irrefutable fact is that this high school coach refused to follow the instructions of the school administrators who had authority over everything on the campus (except the game officials). This high school coach then refused to follow the instruction of the police officer several times until they forcibly removed him from the field. He did all of this in front of his team, the other team, and all the fans in the stand.
The LHSAA took no action against the coach, and therefore exonerated him of his unlawful actions. By doing so, in my opinion, the LHSAA made a statement (by their actions) that it is perfectly OK to disobey a police officer or school administrator.
that coach won his lawsuit if i remember right. Does that make what he did right?
Do you think he set a good example to his team and student body to ignore school administrators and the police?
If you do, then you are saying it is OK for students to ignore the school administrators and police officers, if they think they are in the right. If that is the case, then it is certainly OK for the parents to do the same thing.
Back in the '90 I went to a much hyped basketball game between Huntington and Southwood. I had to work late and arrived in the middle of the game. The gym was packed so as I walked in I had to take a seat on the front row. Just as I was sitting down the gym errupted in extremely loud chorus of boos because of a call the reff made. Hearing all the boos the reff turned around and looked at me and I just smiled at him, because I did not even see the call he was being booed for. He stops play and goes and tells the Huntington assistant principal to have me removed from the gym.
Luckily the assistant principal was Louisiana basketball legend Greg Procell and he knew me and told the reff he would get me under control. I was shocked when Greg came and told me what the reff said and I argued that I had not done anything. He told me it did not matter, the reff could have me removed if he wanted to.
Now, if I had the same attitude as that football coach did, I would have created a public spectacle and made them arrest me and escort me out of the gym. I was in the right after all, and I had done nothing wrong.
But as mad as I was, I knew that I had to show respect for authority, and I knew that I had to be an adult in front of the Southwood student body including my son. As mad as I was, I sat down and shut-up, which was the civil and adult thing to do. If I wanted to complain about what had happened, I could do it after the game.
That football coach may have won his lawsuit (we all know that public entities settle lawsuits just to get rid of them), but in my eyes what he did was despicable. He should not be involved with teaching or coaching our youth.
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