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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 24, 2019 17:39:59 GMT -6
Not disagreeing. But why is that only the case for football and boys/girls basketball? Why does the girls hoops coach have to be on faculty and the boys track coach or baseball coach does not? Popularity would be my guess. Football and basketball are the two most popular sports, so finding someone qualified to be the head coach isn't as arduous a task as finding a qualified track, tennis, golf, swimming, gymnastics, soccer coach. Also many of the latter sports essentially get the bulk of their training from outside entities anyway. Another factor is control. There is much greater control/accountability when the boss of the job that pays the mortgage is the same as the boss that pays the coaching stipend. Just an aside, not having faculty coaches is just one step closer to leaving the HS sports model and moving towards the European club sports model honestly we should move toward the European model. It would allow all teams to compete in one system with nothing to do with attendance zones or anything like that
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Post by retired on Mar 24, 2019 19:45:53 GMT -6
Popularity would be my guess. Football and basketball are the two most popular sports, so finding someone qualified to be the head coach isn't as arduous a task as finding a qualified track, tennis, golf, swimming, gymnastics, soccer coach. Also many of the latter sports essentially get the bulk of their training from outside entities anyway. Another factor is control. There is much greater control/accountability when the boss of the job that pays the mortgage is the same as the boss that pays the coaching stipend. Just an aside, not having faculty coaches is just one step closer to leaving the HS sports model and moving towards the European club sports model honestly we should move toward the European model. It would allow all teams to compete in one system with nothing to do with attendance zones or anything like that No, they wouldn't worry about attendance zones. Of course there will be a myriad of other issues that may pop up and lots of unintended consequences, but I could see HS sports dying out in favor of the club model.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 25, 2019 7:59:22 GMT -6
honestly we should move toward the European model. It would allow all teams to compete in one system with nothing to do with attendance zones or anything like that No, they wouldn't worry about attendance zones. Of course there will be a myriad of other issues that may pop up and lots of unintended consequences, but I could see HS sports dying out in favor of the club model. for some sports, like soccer, the players seem to have switched for the most part, but the problem is the fans place importance on high schools over clubs. You never see articles on club soccer games and teams like Louisiana Fire, etc.
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Post by Raven on Mar 25, 2019 8:30:59 GMT -6
No, they wouldn't worry about attendance zones. Of course there will be a myriad of other issues that may pop up and lots of unintended consequences, but I could see HS sports dying out in favor of the club model. for some sports, like soccer, the players seem to have switched for the most part, but the problem is the fans place importance on high schools over clubs. You never see articles on club soccer games and teams like Louisiana Fire, etc. Interesting premise. There could always be club teams that are loosely connected to certain schools or have a base of players who come from a school. That could open the door for home-school kids to participate as well. That would certainly remove the LHSAA and the principles from running whatever organization would oversee the club leagues.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 25, 2019 11:11:39 GMT -6
for some sports, like soccer, the players seem to have switched for the most part, but the problem is the fans place importance on high schools over clubs. You never see articles on club soccer games and teams like Louisiana Fire, etc. Interesting premise. There could always be club teams that are loosely connected to certain schools or have a base of players who come from a school. That could open the door for home-school kids to participate as well. That would certainly remove the LHSAA and the principles from running whatever organization would oversee the club leagues. people who actually run sports could run it. The use of existing public school trademarks and facilities can be negotiated
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 14:59:29 GMT -6
Interesting premise. There could always be club teams that are loosely connected to certain schools or have a base of players who come from a school. That could open the door for home-school kids to participate as well. That would certainly remove the LHSAA and the principles from running whatever organization would oversee the club leagues. people who actually run sports could run it. The use of existing public school trademarks and facilities can be negotiated Makes way more sense than split playoffs 🤦♂️
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Post by mt on Mar 26, 2019 13:47:35 GMT -6
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Post by mt on Mar 26, 2019 13:47:59 GMT -6
Good read by Bewers on this issue of non faculty coaches
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 14:09:03 GMT -6
Good read by Bewers on this issue of non faculty coaches Lol. So basically the LHSAA is full of crap as usual. And it makes no sense why Trev isn’t the head coach and employed at LCA in the 1st place. I agree with both points.
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Post by cjr3888 on Mar 26, 2019 18:04:52 GMT -6
Good read by Bewers on this issue of non faculty coaches Lol. So basically the LHSAA is full of crap as usual. And it makes no sense why Trev isn’t the head coach and employed at LCA in the 1st place. I agree with both points. Opinions don’t matter in this case. LCA knew the rule that was in the handbook. They chose to break that rule in multiple sports and now are trying to save face since they were caught. I run youth tournaments for a national organization. If I don’t agree with a rule then I submit a rule change form to our headquarters and the rules committee votes on it. I don’t allow teams to break a rule just because I don’t agree with it.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 26, 2019 21:26:35 GMT -6
Lol. So basically the LHSAA is full of crap as usual. And it makes no sense why Trev isn’t the head coach and employed at LCA in the 1st place. I agree with both points. Opinions don’t matter in this case. LCA knew the rule that was in the handbook. They chose to break that rule in multiple sports and now are trying to save face since they were caught. I run youth tournaments for a national organization. If I don’t agree with a rule then I submit a rule change form to our headquarters and the rules committee votes on it. I don’t allow teams to break a rule just because I don’t agree with it. by the letter of the law LCA should be okay. The coaches being who they are shouldn't be that big a deal, since we don't know how their practice runs or the role they really have. But when you've earned no sympathy from everyone else... No one is nitpicking on who the coach really is for 1-9 teams
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Post by retired on Mar 26, 2019 23:16:00 GMT -6
Opinions don’t matter in this case. LCA knew the rule that was in the handbook. They chose to break that rule in multiple sports and now are trying to save face since they were caught. I run youth tournaments for a national organization. If I don’t agree with a rule then I submit a rule change form to our headquarters and the rules committee votes on it. I don’t allow teams to break a rule just because I don’t agree with it. by the letter of the law LCA should be okay. The coaches being who they are shouldn't be that big a deal, since we don't know how their practice runs or the role they really have. But when you've earned no sympathy from everyone else... No one is nitpicking on who the coach really is for 1-9 teams The fact that they were reprimanded, and that LCA is awaiting punishment before commenting probably means that LCA will not "by the letter of the law be ok".
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Post by retired on Mar 26, 2019 23:36:44 GMT -6
Good read by Bewers on this issue of non faculty coaches Lol. So basically the LHSAA is full of crap as usual. And it makes no sense why Trev isn’t the head coach and employed at LCA in the 1st place. I agree with both points. The fact that it makes no sense is one of the underlying reasons for the rule in the first place. Sure, it may sound a little pollyanna, but the intent of the rule is to try and ensure the head coaches in the most popular (and therefore logically the easiest to staff) sports are invested members in the SCHOOL, not just in the sports teams. We all know that at the Div 1 (and II for the most part) level college football and basketball are not extra curricular or co curricular activities but rather in the vast majority of cases entities that simply use a schools name, colors and logo as a promotional basis to ensure fans. I believe the intent of such rules in HS are to prevent HS athletics from sliding further in that direction (to a lesser degree obviously)
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Post by roonationukno on Mar 28, 2019 5:51:47 GMT -6
Man I can’t do that on here. But LCA isn’t the only school. I guarantee you that. Been going on...
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Post by Southplaq on Mar 31, 2019 18:24:07 GMT -6
The LHSAA is so late 🤦🏾♂️😂😂😂😂 and it’s a lot of schools who have pretend head coaches. I can name a few. Mannnnnnnn, you been saying this since DAY 1!!! All these LCA fans on here was trying to throw shade on you for pointing this out, saying that you didn't know what you were talking about. Like they say, "The truth shall set you free" lol.
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Post by Southplaq on Mar 31, 2019 18:25:50 GMT -6
Ascension Catholic might get 2 state championships out of this!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 23:33:56 GMT -6
The LHSAA is so late 🤦🏾♂️😂😂😂😂 and it’s a lot of schools who have pretend head coaches. I can name a few. Mannnnnnnn, you been saying this since DAY 1!!! All these LCA fans on here was trying to throw shade on you for pointing this out, saying that you didn't know what you were talking about. Like they say, "The truth shall set you free" lol. 👀😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by TheFireman89 on Apr 1, 2019 1:13:04 GMT -6
If it wasnt for non staff coaches, Elton would have only two coaches for football. In the case of small schools compitent non staff coaches, who are volunteers since there is no stipend in Jeff Davis, can be invaluable to a athletic program. Especially with sports like football and basketball and baseball/softball where you need multiple assistants. Now I do agree that the head coach should be faculty but I wouldn't dog all non staff coaches in general
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Post by billpayor on Apr 1, 2019 6:53:43 GMT -6
If it wasnt for non staff coaches, Elton would have only two coaches for football. In the case of small schools compitent non staff coaches, who are volunteers since there is no stipend in Jeff Davis, can be invaluable to a athletic program. Especially with sports like football and basketball and baseball/softball where you need multiple assistants. Now I do agree that the head coach should be faculty but I wouldn't dog all non staff coaches in general LHSAA rule 3.4.5 A school shall be allowed to use certified non-faculty personnel to serve as an assistant coach in all sports at any level.
The rule is clear cut. The HC for football must certified faculty. Assistants don't have to be on faculty. This is easy to understand. LCA broke a rule written in black and white. Many people have said violations were occurring at LCA for 2 years now. It was denied for some reason, but it was a clear violation. LCA places winning above all else. That includes the pastor of the church, the principal of the school and the HC that agreed to this arrangement.
All wins should be vacated under HC Faulk
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Post by chalmetteowl on Apr 1, 2019 9:50:15 GMT -6
If it wasnt for non staff coaches, Elton would have only two coaches for football. In the case of small schools compitent non staff coaches, who are volunteers since there is no stipend in Jeff Davis, can be invaluable to a athletic program. Especially with sports like football and basketball and baseball/softball where you need multiple assistants. Now I do agree that the head coach should be faculty but I wouldn't dog all non staff coaches in general LHSAA rule 3.4.5 A school shall be allowed to use certified non-faculty personnel to serve as an assistant coach in all sports at any level.
The rule is clear cut. The HC for football must certified faculty. Assistants don't have to be on faculty. This is easy to understand. LCA broke a rule written in black and white. Many people have said violations were occurring at LCA for 2 years now. It was denied for some reason, but it was a clear violation. LCA places winning above all else. That includes the pastor of the church, the principal of the school and the HC that agreed to this arrangement.
All wins should be vacated under HC Faulk
Faulk was not the head coach according to the LHSAA. It was someone else, and as long as they were at most of the games, that's good enough for me
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Post by cjr3888 on Apr 1, 2019 13:41:05 GMT -6
LHSAA rule 3.4.5 A school shall be allowed to use certified non-faculty personnel to serve as an assistant coach in all sports at any level.
The rule is clear cut. The HC for football must certified faculty. Assistants don't have to be on faculty. This is easy to understand. LCA broke a rule written in black and white. Many people have said violations were occurring at LCA for 2 years now. It was denied for some reason, but it was a clear violation. LCA places winning above all else. That includes the pastor of the church, the principal of the school and the HC that agreed to this arrangement.
All wins should be vacated under HC Faulk
Faulk was not the head coach according to the LHSAA. It was someone else, and as long as they were at most of the games, that's good enough for me Get your head out of the sand. Faulk was the head coach and was listed as an assistant to try and get away with breaking the rule. Faulk ran practices, Faulk ran the team during games, Faulk did all the coaching, Faulk was the HEAD COACH. Baldwin just ate popcorn, accepted the trophy, and did some horrible interviews. When all the media was reporting Faulk as the head coach during the past few years, nobody at LCA tried to correct them because they all knew he was really the head coach. One thing is for sure, their fans got really quiet after this report came out.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Apr 1, 2019 14:55:42 GMT -6
See LCA might be doing a lot of things wrong, but i don't want the LHSAA legislating how programs' chain of commands operate. A lot of schools probably have one coach listed to the LHSAA and another who you'd maybe think is the actual coach, but that should be up to the schools.
Just like I don't want them drawing maps, which they now have the power to do.
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Post by billpayor on Apr 1, 2019 15:48:53 GMT -6
See LCA might be doing a lot of things wrong, but i don't want the LHSAA legislating how programs' chain of commands operate. A lot of schools probably have one coach listed to the LHSAA and another who you'd maybe think is the actual coach, but that should be up to the schools. Just like I don't want them drawing maps, which they now have the power to do. I'm sure a lot of schools don't do this.
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Post by warriorsblue on Apr 2, 2019 11:31:23 GMT -6
Personally I don't have a problem with someone being the coach on paper,, I was the faculty rep one year at Evangel for soccer back in the early 2000's,,, I knew very little about soccer so a assistant ran games and practices while I tried to learn the game as I NEVER have been around soccer before. Of course I long had been with MAIS teams that for the most part had faculty coaches but several were retired coaches from the public arena such as Bobby Ray McHalffey, Bob Weaver, Harold Harlan just to name 3. Things ran smoothly and they had the mission of the school in hand. Personally I see a day when volunteer coaches will have the chance in the LHSAA to do the same thing as it is harder and harder to find teachers and coaches in today's age.
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Post by tyroneee on Apr 6, 2019 4:48:40 GMT -6
Faulk was not the head coach according to the LHSAA. It was someone else, and as long as they were at most of the games, that's good enough for me Get your head out of the sand. Faulk was the head coach and was listed as an assistant to try and get away with breaking the rule. Faulk ran practices, Faulk ran the team during games, Faulk did all the coaching, Faulk was the HEAD COACH. Baldwin just ate popcorn, accepted the trophy, and did some horrible interviews. When all the media was reporting Faulk as the head coach during the past few years, nobody at LCA tried to correct them because they all knew he was really the head coach. One thing is for sure, their fans got really quiet after this report came out. Cj stop taking the beat downs over the last few years personal bro. Everyone on here making some good level headed points. Some for LCA some against LCA. Somewhere down the line LCA or Faulk hurt you deeply. Let that hurt go bro. Personally i don't see nothing wrong with a head coach letting a assistant call the shots. Loreauville can have those few wins back if it will make you feel better. Will the team miss faulk sure,But there are other good coaches on that staff that will keep the train rolling. Unlike that circus of clowns on y'all end of town.
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Post by kennypowers on Apr 6, 2019 5:17:09 GMT -6
This won’t be a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Let’s move on.
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Post by Southplaq on Apr 7, 2019 14:14:47 GMT -6
Ok, so from what I understand, Faulk isn't listed as the Head Coach on any of the official documents. The rule says that a team can have non-certified coaches on their staff but they must be Assistant coaches "At any Level". This is not black and white. This leaves a serious gray area and leaves lots of room for interpretation. Does the LHSAA directly clarify what is the duties of an assistant coach? Are the assistant coach restricted to a specific job during games? When the head coach gets ejected from a game, does the assistant coach have a right to take over the head coaching duties for the remainder of that game?
I understand that LCA has a head coach listed on all it's paperwork, and I would assume that this guy attends all the practices and games. If He's on the sidelines, then I think that the LHSAA"s hands are tied. If you look at games, The head coach isn't really coaching the game anyway. It's the OC and DC coaching games. So as long as the head coach is on the sideline during the game, I don't think the LHSAA has the right to do anything about this LCA situation because they don't state that the assistant can't coach in any capacity.
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Post by thedomeranger on Apr 7, 2019 14:29:29 GMT -6
Ok, so from what I understand, Faulk isn't listed as the Head Coach on any of the official documents. The rule says that a team can have non-certified coaches on their staff but they must be Assistant coaches "At any Level". This is not black and white. This leaves a serious gray area and leaves lots of room for interpretation. Does the LHSAA directly clarify what is the duties of an assistant coach? Are the assistant coach restricted to a specific job during games? When the head coach gets ejected from a game, does the assistant coach have a right to take over the head coaching duties for the remainder of that game? I understand that LCA has a head coach listed on all it's paperwork, and I would assume that this guy attends all the practices and games. If He's on the sidelines, then I think that the LHSAA"s hands are tied. If you look at games, The head coach isn't really coaching the game anyway. It's the OC and DC coaching games. So as long as the head coach is on the sideline during the game, I don't think the LHSAA has the right to do anything about this LCA situation because they don't state that the assistant can't coach in any capacity. You have hit the nail on the head, here. It will all come down to how this was interpreted by LCA vs what the LHSAA meant and whether that can be clearly understood by the published rules or any clarifications that were issued. The rule, as I read it, is not very specific. So whomever will decide the appeal, if there is one, will have to determine if the rule was clear or if LCA should have somehow know the intent of the rule, if it is not.
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Post by Rick James on Apr 7, 2019 14:37:17 GMT -6
Ok, so from what I understand, Faulk isn't listed as the Head Coach on any of the official documents. The rule says that a team can have non-certified coaches on their staff but they must be Assistant coaches "At any Level". This is not black and white. This leaves a serious gray area and leaves lots of room for interpretation. Does the LHSAA directly clarify what is the duties of an assistant coach? Are the assistant coach restricted to a specific job during games? When the head coach gets ejected from a game, does the assistant coach have a right to take over the head coaching duties for the remainder of that game? I understand that LCA has a head coach listed on all it's paperwork, and I would assume that this guy attends all the practices and games. If He's on the sidelines, then I think that the LHSAA"s hands are tied. If you look at games, The head coach isn't really coaching the game anyway. It's the OC and DC coaching games. So as long as the head coach is on the sideline during the game, I don't think the LHSAA has the right to do anything about this LCA situation because they don't state that the assistant can't coach in any capacity. Correct, no where does it define what a HC's duties must be, or an assistant's must be for that matter. We can know who's calling the plays, and running practice, and talking to the team after the games....but that doesn't matter. No rule against an assistant "seeming" to be the HC. EDIT: And let me add I don't think there should be a rule. Some HC's are CEO types, some are hands on, some call plays, some don't. To each his own.
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Post by indy on Apr 7, 2019 14:40:45 GMT -6
Ok, so from what I understand, Faulk isn't listed as the Head Coach on any of the official documents. The rule says that a team can have non-certified coaches on their staff but they must be Assistant coaches "At any Level". This is not black and white. This leaves a serious gray area and leaves lots of room for interpretation. Does the LHSAA directly clarify what is the duties of an assistant coach? Are the assistant coach restricted to a specific job during games? When the head coach gets ejected from a game, does the assistant coach have a right to take over the head coaching duties for the remainder of that game? I understand that LCA has a head coach listed on all it's paperwork, and I would assume that this guy attends all the practices and games. If He's on the sidelines, then I think that the LHSAA"s hands are tied. If you look at games, The head coach isn't really coaching the game anyway. It's the OC and DC coaching games. So as long as the head coach is on the sideline during the game, I don't think the LHSAA has the right to do anything about this LCA situation because they don't state that the assistant can't coach in any capacity. The guy listed as head coach basically had nothing to do with the football team. LCA clearly made a mistake, they will pay the price, learn, and will move on.
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