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Post by Rick James on Apr 7, 2019 14:46:15 GMT -6
Ok, so from what I understand, Faulk isn't listed as the Head Coach on any of the official documents. The rule says that a team can have non-certified coaches on their staff but they must be Assistant coaches "At any Level". This is not black and white. This leaves a serious gray area and leaves lots of room for interpretation. Does the LHSAA directly clarify what is the duties of an assistant coach? Are the assistant coach restricted to a specific job during games? When the head coach gets ejected from a game, does the assistant coach have a right to take over the head coaching duties for the remainder of that game? I understand that LCA has a head coach listed on all it's paperwork, and I would assume that this guy attends all the practices and games. If He's on the sidelines, then I think that the LHSAA"s hands are tied. If you look at games, The head coach isn't really coaching the game anyway. It's the OC and DC coaching games. So as long as the head coach is on the sideline during the game, I don't think the LHSAA has the right to do anything about this LCA situation because they don't state that the assistant can't coach in any capacity. The guy listed as head coach basically had nothing to do with the football team. LCA clearly made a mistake, they will pay the price, learn, and will move on. Believe me...I'm all public school. It'd be fine with me if LCA got hammered for this, but I just don't see anyway they do. One of those dumb principals will need to come up with a rule that defines what a HC does and get everyone to vote on it if they don't want this going on. Now if LCA is telling people Faulk is HC, or promoting him as HC.....that's a whole new ball of wax. IF it's documented.
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Post by Southplaq on Apr 7, 2019 15:22:53 GMT -6
Ok, so from what I understand, Faulk isn't listed as the Head Coach on any of the official documents. The rule says that a team can have non-certified coaches on their staff but they must be Assistant coaches "At any Level". This is not black and white. This leaves a serious gray area and leaves lots of room for interpretation. Does the LHSAA directly clarify what is the duties of an assistant coach? Are the assistant coach restricted to a specific job during games? When the head coach gets ejected from a game, does the assistant coach have a right to take over the head coaching duties for the remainder of that game? I understand that LCA has a head coach listed on all it's paperwork, and I would assume that this guy attends all the practices and games. If He's on the sidelines, then I think that the LHSAA"s hands are tied. If you look at games, The head coach isn't really coaching the game anyway. It's the OC and DC coaching games. So as long as the head coach is on the sideline during the game, I don't think the LHSAA has the right to do anything about this LCA situation because they don't state that the assistant can't coach in any capacity. The guy listed as head coach basically had nothing to do with the football team. LCA clearly made a mistake, they will pay the price, learn, and will move on. It doesn't matter. If he was on the sidelines during the games, at he was at most of the practices, who's to say he wasn't coaching? He doesn't have to be the one running around frantically calling the plays. The LHSAA only states that a coach who isn't faculty can't be the head coach, they don't say that the assistant coach can't coach. The LHSAA will lose this one. It might have to become a legal issue, but they will lose this one.
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Post by retired on Apr 7, 2019 15:26:00 GMT -6
Ok, so from what I understand, Faulk isn't listed as the Head Coach on any of the official documents. The rule says that a team can have non-certified coaches on their staff but they must be Assistant coaches "At any Level". This is not black and white. This leaves a serious gray area and leaves lots of room for interpretation. Does the LHSAA directly clarify what is the duties of an assistant coach? Are the assistant coach restricted to a specific job during games? When the head coach gets ejected from a game, does the assistant coach have a right to take over the head coaching duties for the remainder of that game? I understand that LCA has a head coach listed on all it's paperwork, and I would assume that this guy attends all the practices and games. If He's on the sidelines, then I think that the LHSAA"s hands are tied. If you look at games, The head coach isn't really coaching the game anyway. It's the OC and DC coaching games. So as long as the head coach is on the sideline during the game, I don't think the LHSAA has the right to do anything about this LCA situation because they don't state that the assistant can't coach in any capacity. While it may be hard and impractical to try and codify the duties of a HC, it seems fairly obvious that LCA was blatantly trying to avoid the rules.
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Post by Southplaq on Apr 7, 2019 15:29:04 GMT -6
Ok, so from what I understand, Faulk isn't listed as the Head Coach on any of the official documents. The rule says that a team can have non-certified coaches on their staff but they must be Assistant coaches "At any Level". This is not black and white. This leaves a serious gray area and leaves lots of room for interpretation. Does the LHSAA directly clarify what is the duties of an assistant coach? Are the assistant coach restricted to a specific job during games? When the head coach gets ejected from a game, does the assistant coach have a right to take over the head coaching duties for the remainder of that game? I understand that LCA has a head coach listed on all it's paperwork, and I would assume that this guy attends all the practices and games. If He's on the sidelines, then I think that the LHSAA"s hands are tied. If you look at games, The head coach isn't really coaching the game anyway. It's the OC and DC coaching games. So as long as the head coach is on the sideline during the game, I don't think the LHSAA has the right to do anything about this LCA situation because they don't state that the assistant can't coach in any capacity. You have hit the nail on the head, here. It will all come down to how this was interpreted by LCA vs what the LHSAA meant and whether that can be clearly understood by the published rules or any clarifications that were issued. The rule, as I read it, is not very specific. So whomever will decide the appeal, if there is one, will have to determine if the rule was clear or if LCA should have somehow know the intent of the rule, if it is not. Exactly, It's not specific enough and can be left to interpretation. The LHSAA only states that a coach who isn't faculty can't be the head coach, they don't say that the assistant coach can't coach. The head coach doesn't have to be the guy running around on the sideline calling the plays. If he was on the sidelines at the games and were at most of the practices, then how can the LHSAA legally determine that he wasn't the head coach? They can't go by what people on the streets are saying. The LHSAA will lose this one. It might have to become a legal issue, but they will lose this one.
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Post by retired on Apr 7, 2019 15:31:39 GMT -6
The guy listed as head coach basically had nothing to do with the football team. LCA clearly made a mistake, they will pay the price, learn, and will move on. It doesn't matter. If he was on the sidelines during the games, at he was at most of the practices, who's to say he wasn't coaching? He doesn't have to be the one running around frantically calling the plays. The LHSAA only states that a coach who isn't faculty can't be the head coach, they don't say that the assistant coach can't coach. The LHSAA will lose this one. It might have to become a legal issue, but they will lose this one. I don't know. It may be a bit like the 1964 Supreme Court ruling on obscenity. "I know it when I see it". In a more practical sense though, things such as practice planning, team off-season schedule, game decisions (punt/go for it, decline/accept penalties ) final say so on personnel matters etc could be used to prove it.
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Post by Southplaq on Apr 7, 2019 15:40:26 GMT -6
It doesn't matter. If he was on the sidelines during the games, at he was at most of the practices, who's to say he wasn't coaching? He doesn't have to be the one running around frantically calling the plays. The LHSAA only states that a coach who isn't faculty can't be the head coach, they don't say that the assistant coach can't coach. The LHSAA will lose this one. It might have to become a legal issue, but they will lose this one. I don't know. It may be a bit like the 1964 Supreme Court ruling on obscenity. "I know it when I see it". In a more practical sense though, things such as practice planning, team off-season schedule, game decisions (punt/go for it, decline/accept penalties ) final say so on personnel matters etc could be used to prove it. Hey glad to hear from you. You could be right, but I've been at tons of Curtis' games and if you didn't know any better, you would never guess that JT is the head coach. He has the headset on and he looks the part, but he isn't the most active participant on the sidelines. I would hope that LCA was at least smart enough to have him involved in some capacity.
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Post by indy on Apr 7, 2019 15:46:52 GMT -6
The guy listed as head coach basically had nothing to do with the football team. LCA clearly made a mistake, they will pay the price, learn, and will move on. It doesn't matter. If he was on the sidelines during the games, at he was at most of the practices, who's to say he wasn't coaching? He doesn't have to be the one running around frantically calling the plays. The LHSAA only states that a coach who isn't faculty can't be the head coach, they don't say that the assistant coach can't coach. The LHSAA will lose this one. It might have to become a legal issue, but they will lose this one. He literally had nothing to do with the football team, at the games or at practice. I’m a friend and a fan of Trev so I hope the LHSAA screws up as usual. But LCA totally abused this rule. It’s a set back but not a death sentence.
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Post by retired on Apr 7, 2019 15:52:42 GMT -6
I don't know. It may be a bit like the 1964 Supreme Court ruling on obscenity. "I know it when I see it". In a more practical sense though, things such as practice planning, team off-season schedule, game decisions (punt/go for it, decline/accept penalties ) final say so on personnel matters etc could be used to prove it. Hey glad to hear from you. You could be right, but I've been at tons of Curtis' games and if you didn't know any better, you would never guess that JT is the head coach. He has the headset on and he looks the part, but he isn't the most active participant on the sidelines. I would hope that LCA was at least smart enough to have him involved in some capacity. The difference is that JT is the HC. Nobody would even suggest otherwise. It isn't about who is wigwamming in signals, calling plays etc. It is about being the leader of the program. JT may be less involved in sideline game day endeavors, but he is still 100% leader of that program.
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Post by Southplaq on Apr 7, 2019 20:33:24 GMT -6
Hey glad to hear from you. You could be right, but I've been at tons of Curtis' games and if you didn't know any better, you would never guess that JT is the head coach. He has the headset on and he looks the part, but he isn't the most active participant on the sidelines. I would hope that LCA was at least smart enough to have him involved in some capacity. The difference is that JT is the HC. Nobody would even suggest otherwise. It isn't about who is wigwamming in signals, calling plays etc. It is about being the leader of the program. JT may be less involved in sideline game day endeavors, but he is still 100% leader of that program. I agree but what I’m trying to get across is that the head coach can be just the guy on the sideline. Trev might have been the most active, but that doesn’t mean he’s the head coach. As long the “head coach”!for LCA was on the sideline, I don’t think the LHSAA has enough to dish out any penalties
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Post by retired on Apr 7, 2019 21:17:14 GMT -6
The difference is that JT is the HC. Nobody would even suggest otherwise. It isn't about who is wigwamming in signals, calling plays etc. It is about being the leader of the program. JT may be less involved in sideline game day endeavors, but he is still 100% leader of that program. I agree but what I’m trying to get across is that the head coach can be just the guy on the sideline. Trev might have been the most active, but that doesn’t mean he’s the head coach. As long the “head coach”!for LCA was on the sideline, I don’t think the LHSAA has enough to dish out any penalties No, the HC is the guy who is in charge of the program. While it is not necessary that the HC be the most active on the sideline, the HC is also not a "name only" position. Based on what indy and others closer to the situation have stated, Trev Faulk was in charge of the program, and according to the rules of the LHSAA, the person in charge of a football or basketball program must be a faculty member. Being present at a game, and having your name listed as the HC does not make one the HC.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 22:09:09 GMT -6
I agree but what I’m trying to get across is that the head coach can be just the guy on the sideline. Trev might have been the most active, but that doesn’t mean he’s the head coach. As long the “head coach”!for LCA was on the sideline, I don’t think the LHSAA has enough to dish out any penalties No, the HC is the guy who is in charge of the program. While it is not necessary that the HC be the most active on the sideline, the HC is also not a "name only" position. Based on what indy and others closer to the situation have stated, Trev Faulk was in charge of the program, and according to the rules of the LHSAA, the person in charge of a football or basketball program must be a faculty member. Being present at a game, and having your name listed as the HC does not make one the HC. Man. You have a lot of old fashioned ideas. I mean it’s cool. But you’re living in the time that was.
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Post by retired on Apr 8, 2019 6:04:13 GMT -6
No, the HC is the guy who is in charge of the program. While it is not necessary that the HC be the most active on the sideline, the HC is also not a "name only" position. Based on what indy and others closer to the situation have stated, Trev Faulk was in charge of the program, and according to the rules of the LHSAA, the person in charge of a football or basketball program must be a faculty member. Being present at a game, and having your name listed as the HC does not make one the HC. Man. You have a lot of old fashioned ideas. I mean it’s cool. But you’re living in the time that was. I don't disagree, but in this case, it isn't idea or opinion. I am simply pointing out what the rule is and how LCA apparently (according to sources here and elsewhere) violated it. So in this instance, what is old fashioned about following a rule? If following rules is something that happened in a "time that was" what is the current landscape of following rules? Talking about the rule, and should it be a rule is a completely different topic, and one that absolutely could foster a discussion. However the current topic can't really foster one, since it is pretty clear cut regardless of what one's opinion is on the rule.
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Post by billpayor on Apr 8, 2019 7:01:06 GMT -6
It's not just football in question. Both boys/girls basketball were apparently doing the same thing. When a pattern is revealed, the smoke/mirror question of 'What exactly is a head coach?' becomes much clearer. LCA was scamming the system. Everyone involved, from the preacher to HC Faulk. They got caught. They'll have to face the consequences. Why should they be treated differently than Southern Lab?
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Post by JustAFootballDude on Apr 8, 2019 10:49:02 GMT -6
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Post by Southplaq on Apr 8, 2019 14:54:56 GMT -6
I agree but what I’m trying to get across is that the head coach can be just the guy on the sideline. Trev might have been the most active, but that doesn’t mean he’s the head coach. As long the “head coach”!for LCA was on the sideline, I don’t think the LHSAA has enough to dish out any penalties No, the HC is the guy who is in charge of the program. While it is not necessary that the HC be the most active on the sideline, the HC is also not a "name only" position. Based on what indy and others closer to the situation have stated, Trev Faulk was in charge of the program, and according to the rules of the LHSAA, the person in charge of a football or basketball program must be a faculty member. Being present at a game, and having your name listed as the HC does not make one the HC. I agree 100%, but what is on paper might be good enough to satisfy the LHSAA's very vague rule.I don't think the LHSAA will win this one, but you can expect more clarification after this
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Post by easyduzit on Apr 8, 2019 16:59:42 GMT -6
Coach Klein could have been there Coach this year and there record would have been the same. That team was loaded with talent and numbers. They only had a couple guys go both ways in Division 4. They had no weaknesses.
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Post by billpayor on Apr 8, 2019 19:28:07 GMT -6
Coach Klein could have been there Coach this year and there record would have been the same. That team was loaded with talent and numbers. They only had a couple guys go both ways in Division 4. They had no weaknesses. HC Faulk is responsible for getting that load of talent to LCA in the first place. Baldwin didn't recruit those guys. So when we go back to the origin of the problem, your argument is invalid
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Post by easyduzit on Apr 8, 2019 19:48:47 GMT -6
Coach Klein could have been there Coach this year and there record would have been the same. That team was loaded with talent and numbers. They only had a couple guys go both ways in Division 4. They had no weaknesses. HC Faulk is responsible for getting that load of talent to LCA in the first place. Baldwin didn't recruit those guys. So when we go back to the origin of the problem, your argument is invalid It wasn’t intended to be an argument, I support Ascension Catholic, I wasn’t aware of who “brings” the talent there. I was just stating what I saw 2017 and 2018 seasons.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Apr 9, 2019 10:55:47 GMT -6
Coach Klein could have been there Coach this year and there record would have been the same. That team was loaded with talent and numbers. They only had a couple guys go both ways in Division 4. They had no weaknesses. HC Faulk is responsible for getting that load of talent to LCA in the first place. Baldwin didn't recruit those guys. So when we go back to the origin of the problem, your argument is invalid like I said, observers from other places around the state don't know that
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Post by Southplaq on Apr 10, 2019 10:22:44 GMT -6
I agree but what I’m trying to get across is that the head coach can be just the guy on the sideline. Trev might have been the most active, but that doesn’t mean he’s the head coach. As long the “head coach”!for LCA was on the sideline, I don’t think the LHSAA has enough to dish out any penalties No, the HC is the guy who is in charge of the program. While it is not necessary that the HC be the most active on the sideline, the HC is also not a "name only" position. Based on what indy and others closer to the situation have stated, Trev Faulk was in charge of the program, and according to the rules of the LHSAA, the person in charge of a football or basketball program must be a faculty member. Being present at a game, and having your name listed as the HC does not make one the HC. Who says that Baldwin wasn't "in charge" of the program? Will the LHSAA actually be able to prove this? And for the record, I don't think Indy and the others' words will hold much weight when the LHSAA starts investigating this. The LHSAA is going to go by what people on a football forum or people on the street are saying about this. It doesn't matter what we all believe we know went down at LCA. We know who coached the team, but the LHSAA doesn't operate like that. They will have to have solid and credible EVIDENCE that Faulk was completely in charge of the program and was the head coach, because on all of LCA's official paperwork, Baldwin is listed as the head coach and Faulk is listed as the assistant and the burden is on the LHSAA to prove otherwise, and something tells me that neither Baldwin nor Faulk will say anything other than what's on LCA's paperwork.
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Post by Southplaq on Apr 10, 2019 10:27:00 GMT -6
Coach Klein could have been there Coach this year and there record would have been the same. That team was loaded with talent and numbers. They only had a couple guys go both ways in Division 4. They had no weaknesses. Attachment Deleted
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Post by WreckinCrew on Apr 10, 2019 15:26:30 GMT -6
No, the HC is the guy who is in charge of the program. While it is not necessary that the HC be the most active on the sideline, the HC is also not a "name only" position. Based on what indy and others closer to the situation have stated, Trev Faulk was in charge of the program, and according to the rules of the LHSAA, the person in charge of a football or basketball program must be a faculty member. Being present at a game, and having your name listed as the HC does not make one the HC. Who says that Baldwin wasn't "in charge" of the program? Will the LHSAA actually be able to prove this? And for the record, I don't think Indy and the others' words will hold much weight when the LHSAA starts investigating this. The LHSAA is going to go by what people on a football forum or people on the street are saying about this. It doesn't matter what we all believe we know went down at LCA. We know who coached the team, but the LHSAA doesn't operate like that. They will have to have solid and credible EVIDENCE that Faulk was completely in charge of the program and was the head coach, because on all of LCA's official paperwork, Baldwin is listed as the head coach and Faulk is listed as the assistant and the burden is on the LHSAA to prove otherwise, and something tells me that neither Baldwin nor Faulk will say anything other than what's on LCA's paperwork. You are right in the fact that Baldwin or Faulk will not admit to anything they did wrong.A lot of people on this topic don't know about this program as well as the Lafayette area fans associated with LCA.Baldwin doesn't know how offensive or defensive schemes work.Didn't run any practices and did not call one play during any games.Trev did it all.Even all of the local media people always refered to Trev Faulk as the head coach,period. My answer is yes that at least just the head coach should be on faculty and I don't have a problem with assistants not being on faculty,especially with the smaller schools.
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Post by retired on Apr 10, 2019 17:54:29 GMT -6
No, the HC is the guy who is in charge of the program. While it is not necessary that the HC be the most active on the sideline, the HC is also not a "name only" position. Based on what indy and others closer to the situation have stated, Trev Faulk was in charge of the program, and according to the rules of the LHSAA, the person in charge of a football or basketball program must be a faculty member. Being present at a game, and having your name listed as the HC does not make one the HC. Who says that Baldwin wasn't "in charge" of the program? Will the LHSAA actually be able to prove this? And for the record, I don't think Indy and the others' words will hold much weight when the LHSAA starts investigating this. The LHSAA is going to go by what people on a football forum or people on the street are saying about this. It doesn't matter what we all believe we know went down at LCA. We know who coached the team, but the LHSAA doesn't operate like that. They will have to have solid and credible EVIDENCE that Faulk was completely in charge of the program and was the head coach, because on all of LCA's official paperwork, Baldwin is listed as the head coach and Faulk is listed as the assistant and the burden is on the LHSAA to prove otherwise, and something tells me that neither Baldwin nor Faulk will say anything other than what's on LCA's paperwork. espn1420.com/lca-head-football-coach-trev-faulk-on-tsl/www.theadvertiser.com/story/sports/high-school/football/2017/10/19/lcas-trev-faulk-returns-place-first-took-chance-him/782016001/www.theadvertiser.com/videos/sports/high-school/football/2017/08/26/lafayette-christian-expecting-jump-second-year-under-trev-faulk/104979458/If the LHSAA ruled the Hanville Kid ineligible because he had a jersey on in a picture, I think these articles would be enough to rule Faulk as the HC.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 20:06:29 GMT -6
The LHSAA was stupid for doing that. Wasn’t he allowed to play during the playoffs? The LHSAA ruined that kid’s senior year. Man you have to welcome the world that is NOW. You’re old school. I understand that. But we’re living in an era where 8th graders are getting scholarship offers. Major shoe companies are sponsoring 7 on 7 football teams. College football coaches are making more than $10 million a year. High schools and high school players NEED more lead way these days. That’s all I’m saying. I can tell you hate the modern world we live in. You need to adjust bro.
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Post by retired on Apr 10, 2019 21:04:57 GMT -6
The LHSAA was stupid for doing that. Wasn’t he allowed to play during the playoffs? The LHSAA ruined that kid’s senior year. Man you have to welcome the world that is NOW. You’re old school. I understand that. But we’re living in an era where 8th graders are getting scholarship offers. Major shoe companies are sponsoring 7 on 7 football teams. College football coaches are making more than $10 million a year. High schools and high school players NEED more lead way these days. That’s all I’m saying. I can tell you hate the modern world we live in. You need to adjust bro. The LHSAA ruined it? Or his parents ruined it by lying and trying to manipulate the system (as evidenced by putting down one address for the family on certain pieces of info, and a different address on other applications. I don't really understand what the landscape you described has to do with simply following a rule. Following a rule is a different concept than agreeing with one. It is like if you were doing 35 in a 15 and you said "your honor, we are living in an era with 400 cubic inch engines, and 12-1 compression ratios and street legal cheater slicks." Doesn't matter, you broke "the rule". While I personally think that if sports are going to be extra curricular activities that faculty members should be at least the HC, I would be just as happy to see schools cut ties with athletics completely. Go the European club model route. That would be fine too. As for that landscape you did paint : 8th grade offers, as I have mentioned in other threads, are absolutely meaningless. There is zero responsibility or liability for the university to honor the offer, or for the athlete to honor if they "commit" ( A word that's definition obviously is unknown in recruiting). Why do they happen? Because of the vastly over inflated egos the athletes have developed over the last 30 years because of the growth of recruiting as a spectator event on its own. The signing day announcements, the All-American bowl type games, the corporate sponsored 7 on 7 teams that you mentioned, the cesspool that AAU basketball has become (and which 7 on 7 will likely mimic)... Those are the reason for the inane 8th grade offers (which again, are 100% meaningless) Were prominent 8th graders known by coaches decades ago? Yep. But the foolish charade of "offers" and recruiting someone so far from graduation was not necessary. Again, I don't understand what Saban and Fisher and Harbaugh's salaries have to do with LCA knowingly trying to skirt a rule. Now, if you don't believe there should be a rule requiring the HC to be a faculty member, I can respect that. I would disagree as I stated above, but I can respect it. If you think the rule LCA is going to be punished for breaking is stupid, I can understand that. But it still is a rule.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 0:19:53 GMT -6
I’m not reading all of that 😅
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Post by JustAFootballDude on Apr 11, 2019 5:47:16 GMT -6
I’m not reading all of that 😅 Listen to the espn interview
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Post by billpayor on Apr 11, 2019 6:45:30 GMT -6
I’m not reading all of that 😅 Listen to the espn interview Yep. HC Faulk goes on live interview and is introduced as LCA's HC... it's hilarious when someone tries to say Baldwin is HC. There should be added penalties if they deny what was going on.
BTW, LCA softball went from 3-9 last year to 13-0 this season. Anyone think that's the same team as last year's?
C'mon man!
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Apr 11, 2019 6:55:00 GMT -6
Listen to the espn interview Yep. HC Faulk goes on live interview and is introduced as LCA's HC... it's hilarious when someone tries to say Baldwin is HC. There should be added penalties if they deny what was going on.
BTW, LCA softball went from 3-9 last year to 13-0 this season. Anyone think that's the same team as last year's?
C'mon man!
They’re led by a freshman pitcher, who’s also the best hitter. And her family and siblings are LCA lifers. But go right ahead and start more rumors.
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Post by billpayor on Apr 11, 2019 9:40:15 GMT -6
Yep. HC Faulk goes on live interview and is introduced as LCA's HC... it's hilarious when someone tries to say Baldwin is HC. There should be added penalties if they deny what was going on.
BTW, LCA softball went from 3-9 last year to 13-0 this season. Anyone think that's the same team as last year's?
C'mon man!
They’re led by a freshman pitcher, who’s also the best hitter. And her family and siblings are LCA lifers. But go right ahead and start more rumors. That could be true. But when 3 of the schools' programs are on the verge of having their state titles negated and HCs suspended for a full year, it casts suspicion over the entire school and church. That's the downside of cheating.
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