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Post by fan2795 on Apr 11, 2019 11:36:07 GMT -6
They’re led by a freshman pitcher, who’s also the best hitter. And her family and siblings are LCA lifers. But go right ahead and start more rumors. That could be true. But when 3 of the schools' programs are on the verge of having their state titles negated and HCs suspended for a full year, it casts suspicion over the entire school and church. That's the downside of cheating. There is not one girl on that team who hasn’t been at LCA since elementary and middle school days. Well there is one player who can’t play this season bc she left her school in October. The two pitchers on the team are both young. An eighth grader and a freshman. There is only one senior and one junior I believe. The rest of the team is composed of freshman, sopres and 3 eighth graders. The heaviest hitters are the sopres. These girls all play travel ball. The difference between this year and last LCA finally took softball serious enough to hire a dedicated softball coach. Last year was her first year coaching high school so there was a big learning curve. This year they added an assistant too. Both are full time employees. Get ready for the LCA girls to continue to make noise in softball and volleyball. Their middle school girls have been successful for the past few years in volleyball, softball and track.
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Post by retired on Apr 11, 2019 18:08:09 GMT -6
I’m not reading all of that 😅 REally? 20ish whole sentences? Although, if you are looking at it on a mobile device, I guess it could seem arduous.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 17:28:45 GMT -6
I’m not reading all of that 😅 REally? 20ish whole sentences? Although, if you are looking at it on a mobile device, I guess it could seem arduous. Man you’re waaaaay too long winded. I read enough at work.
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Post by retired on Apr 12, 2019 18:41:12 GMT -6
REally? 20ish whole sentences? Although, if you are looking at it on a mobile device, I guess it could seem arduous. Man you’re waaaaay too long winded. I read enough at work. You probably are right, but many of the issues here are fairly complex. Short, quick replies are going to be incomplete at best, ignorant at worst.
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Post by Southplaq on Apr 15, 2019 17:22:22 GMT -6
Wasn't the decision overturned and the kid from Hahnville was allowed to play? I get what you're saying, but like I said, Faulk will have to admit that he was the head coach and he might not be willing to do this. What I heard was the interviewer introducing him as the head coach. Heck, I can be introduced at the king of New Orleans, that doesn't mean I am. I didn't hear Faulk say that he was the head coach. He can simply say, that this guy and the media was "misinformed". Now, he could have said, "Thanks for having me, but I'm not the head coach." We all know what the deal is, but like I said, the burden is on the LHSAA to prove it and I don't think Baldwin or Faulk will say anything other than what's on that paperwork
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Post by retired on Apr 15, 2019 17:36:27 GMT -6
Wasn't the decision overturned and the kid from Hahnville was allowed to play? I get what you're saying, but like I said, Faulk will have to admit that he was the head coach and he might not be willing to do this. What I heard was the interviewer introducing him as the head coach. Heck, I can be introduced at the king of New Orleans, that doesn't mean I am. I didn't hear Faulk say that he was the head coach. He can simply say, that this guy and the media was "misinformed". Now, he could have said, "Thanks for having me, but I'm not the head coach." We all know what the deal is, but like I said, the burden is on the LHSAA to prove it and I don't think Baldwin or Faulk will say anything other than what's on that paperwork I don't think they do, since the original article to start this thread said that LCA was already in the appeals process. Doesn't that mean they have already been found in violation of the rule?
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Post by Southplaq on Apr 15, 2019 20:34:50 GMT -6
Wasn't the decision overturned and the kid from Hahnville was allowed to play? I get what you're saying, but like I said, Faulk will have to admit that he was the head coach and he might not be willing to do this. What I heard was the interviewer introducing him as the head coach. Heck, I can be introduced at the king of New Orleans, that doesn't mean I am. I didn't hear Faulk say that he was the head coach. He can simply say, that this guy and the media was "misinformed". Now, he could have said, "Thanks for having me, but I'm not the head coach." We all know what the deal is, but like I said, the burden is on the LHSAA to prove it and I don't think Baldwin or Faulk will say anything other than what's on that paperwork I don't think they do, since the original article to start this thread said that LCA was already in the appeals process. Doesn't that mean they have already been found in violation of the rule? Yes, but its just like being accused of something. The LHSAA accused them of violating the rule, but It still has to be proven.
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Post by retired on Apr 15, 2019 22:34:37 GMT -6
I don't think they do, since the original article to start this thread said that LCA was already in the appeals process. Doesn't that mean they have already been found in violation of the rule? Yes, but its just like being accused of something. The LHSAA accused them of violating the rule, but It still has to be proven. I don't think you are correct here. Again, the appeal process would FOLLOW an investigation and determination of violation. Not the accusation of one.
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Post by easyduzit on Apr 15, 2019 23:00:41 GMT -6
Yes, but its just like being accused of something. The LHSAA accused them of violating the rule, but It still has to be proven. I don't think you are correct here. Again, the appeal process would FOLLOW an investigation and determination of violation. Not the accusation of one. Just give AC 2 state titles and call it even, LOL that would make me happy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 0:13:07 GMT -6
I don't think you are correct here. Again, the appeal process would FOLLOW an investigation and determination of violation. Not the accusation of one. Just give AC 2 state titles and call it even, LOL that would make me happy. I disagree with that Easy. I don’t like taking championships especially if they’re going to give the wins to teams that lost. LCA was the best team in D4 last year and they proved it on the field. I hate that they gave Lab’s 2 titles to 2 teams that got destroyed. If anything at the most, just leave the championships vacant if they have to take them from the winning team. And I don’t agree with that at all. Suspend Trev a year, put LCA on probation, and be done with it.
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Post by indy on Apr 16, 2019 5:27:23 GMT -6
Just give AC 2 state titles and call it even, LOL that would make me happy. I disagree with that Easy. I don’t like taking championships especially if they’re going to give the wins to teams that lost. LCA was the best team in D4 last year and they proved it on the field. I hate that they gave Lab’s 2 titles to 2 teams that got destroyed. If anything at the most, just leave the championships vacant if they have to take them from the winning team. And I don’t agree with that at all. Suspend Trev a year, put LCA on probation, and be done with it. Unearned trophy’s are acceptable now JK. Except in girls volleyball. Go figure.
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Post by easyduzit on Apr 16, 2019 7:12:55 GMT -6
Just give AC 2 state titles and call it even, LOL that would make me happy. I disagree with that Easy. I don’t like taking championships especially if they’re going to give the wins to teams that lost. LCA was the best team in D4 last year and they proved it on the field. I hate that they gave Lab’s 2 titles to 2 teams that got destroyed. If anything at the most, just leave the championships vacant if they have to take them from the winning team. And I don’t agree with that at all. Suspend Trev a year, put LCA on probation, and be done with it. I was just joking about the championships, I agree LCA was the better team, I said that in an earlier comment. I agree with putting them on probation. This thread is kinda like beating a dead horse.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 9:57:16 GMT -6
I disagree with that Easy. I don’t like taking championships especially if they’re going to give the wins to teams that lost. LCA was the best team in D4 last year and they proved it on the field. I hate that they gave Lab’s 2 titles to 2 teams that got destroyed. If anything at the most, just leave the championships vacant if they have to take them from the winning team. And I don’t agree with that at all. Suspend Trev a year, put LCA on probation, and be done with it. I was just joking about the championships, I agree LCA was the better team, I said that in an earlier comment. I agree with putting them on probation. This thread is kinda like beating a dead horse. Agreed 💪
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 9:58:10 GMT -6
I disagree with that Easy. I don’t like taking championships especially if they’re going to give the wins to teams that lost. LCA was the best team in D4 last year and they proved it on the field. I hate that they gave Lab’s 2 titles to 2 teams that got destroyed. If anything at the most, just leave the championships vacant if they have to take them from the winning team. And I don’t agree with that at all. Suspend Trev a year, put LCA on probation, and be done with it. Unearned trophy’s are acceptable now JK. Except in girls volleyball. Go figure. 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by retired on Apr 16, 2019 17:35:45 GMT -6
Just give AC 2 state titles and call it even, LOL that would make me happy. I disagree with that Easy. I don’t like taking championships especially if they’re going to give the wins to teams that lost. LCA was the best team in D4 last year and they proved it on the field. I hate that they gave Lab’s 2 titles to 2 teams that got destroyed. If anything at the most, just leave the championships vacant if they have to take them from the winning team. And I don’t agree with that at all. Suspend Trev a year, put LCA on probation, and be done with it. I agree. Voiding a title is one thing. Bestowing it on another team is quite different.
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Post by Southplaq on Apr 16, 2019 17:45:07 GMT -6
Yes, but its just like being accused of something. The LHSAA accused them of violating the rule, but It still has to be proven. I don't think you are correct here. Again, the appeal process would FOLLOW an investigation and determination of violation. Not the accusation of one. I think i'm 100% correct. Didn't all of this just happen with the QB from Hahnville? The LHSAA made an "accusation" that the rules were broken and decided to enforce a ruling. Well, apparently the LHSAA's decision wasn't law and wasn't final. If they were 100% correct in their investigation of the rules being violated, then their actions of punishing the accused party will hold, correct? Well, that didn't happen. The LHSAA was wrong and their decision was reversed. They accused him of doing something wrong and they made a ruling based off an their accusations, which was later overturned. My guess, is that if the LHSAA can't prove 100% that Baldwin wasn't the head coach, despite Trev's actions that would suggest that he was the head coach instead, then they will not win this one. Now, if they have proof that Baldwin wasn't and they have concrete facts to back it up, and one of these guys flip under pressure, then LCA will lose.
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Post by retired on Apr 16, 2019 18:46:10 GMT -6
I don't think you are correct here. Again, the appeal process would FOLLOW an investigation and determination of violation. Not the accusation of one. I think i'm 100% correct. Didn't all of this just happen with the QB from Hahnville? The LHSAA made an "accusation" that the rules were broken and decided to enforce a ruling. Well, apparently the LHSAA's decision wasn't law and wasn't final. If they were 100% correct in their investigation of the rules being violated, then their actions of punishing the accused party will hold, correct? Well, that didn't happen. The LHSAA was wrong and their decision was reversed. They accused him of doing something wrong and they made a ruling based off an their accusations, which was later overturned. My guess, is that if the LHSAA can't prove 100% that Baldwin wasn't the head coach, despite Trev's actions that would suggest that he was the head coach instead, then they will not win this one. Now, if they have proof that Baldwin wasn't and they have concrete facts to back it up, and one of these guys flip under pressure, then LCA will lose. Not exactly. In the Robinson case, the LHSAA executive director made a ruling, Hahnville and Robinson appealed to the LHSAA appeals committee which was denied. Then the Robinson's and St. Charles parish sought relief through arbitration. After an almost season long (and very expensive to the Robinsons) ordeal, an arbiter found that the LHSAA's findings were "arbitrary and capricious" The LHSAA is the fact finder and the ruler. I do not suspect that the LCA case will find its way through arbitration.
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Post by Southplaq on Apr 16, 2019 18:51:57 GMT -6
I think i'm 100% correct. Didn't all of this just happen with the QB from Hahnville? The LHSAA made an "accusation" that the rules were broken and decided to enforce a ruling. Well, apparently the LHSAA's decision wasn't law and wasn't final. If they were 100% correct in their investigation of the rules being violated, then their actions of punishing the accused party will hold, correct? Well, that didn't happen. The LHSAA was wrong and their decision was reversed. They accused him of doing something wrong and they made a ruling based off an their accusations, which was later overturned. My guess, is that if the LHSAA can't prove 100% that Baldwin wasn't the head coach, despite Trev's actions that would suggest that he was the head coach instead, then they will not win this one. Now, if they have proof that Baldwin wasn't and they have concrete facts to back it up, and one of these guys flip under pressure, then LCA will lose. Not exactly. In the Robinson case, the LHSAA executive director made a ruling, Hahnville and Robinson appealed to the LHSAA appeals committee which was denied. Then the Robinson's and St. Charles parish sought relief through arbitration. After an almost season long (and very expensive to the Robinsons) ordeal, an arbiter found that the LHSAA's findings were "arbitrary and capricious" The LHSAA is the fact finder and the ruler. I do not suspect that the LCA case will find its way through arbitration. Again, did the LHSAA's ruling hold? If it didn't hold, then their accusations were wrong.
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Post by retired on Apr 16, 2019 18:55:11 GMT -6
Not exactly. In the Robinson case, the LHSAA executive director made a ruling, Hahnville and Robinson appealed to the LHSAA appeals committee which was denied. Then the Robinson's and St. Charles parish sought relief through arbitration. After an almost season long (and very expensive to the Robinsons) ordeal, an arbiter found that the LHSAA's findings were "arbitrary and capricious" The LHSAA is the fact finder and the ruler. I do not suspect that the LCA case will find its way through arbitration. Again, did the LHSAA's ruling hold? I understand what you are saying. I am saying I do not believe this LCA case will find its way to, and then through arbitration. Out of district ineligibility for a senior player is substantially different than a school intentionally trying to skirt a rule.
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Post by Southplaq on Apr 16, 2019 19:01:12 GMT -6
Again, did the LHSAA's ruling hold? I understand what you are saying. I am saying I do not believe this LCA case will find its way to, and then through arbitration. Out of district ineligibility for a senior player is substantially different than a school intentionally trying to skirt a rule. We all know what went down at LCA and we all know what the duties of the Head coach are. They broke the rules, but they will argue that the LHSAA's rule concerning the head coach and the assistants are very vague when it comes to the interpretations of the duties and limitations of each position or title. The will play ignorant as to how the rules was supposed to be interpreted. All I know is that Bladwin better be able to prove he was at the practices and on the sidelines at the games, and if not, he better have medical documentations as to why he wasn't.
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Post by retired on Apr 16, 2019 19:04:24 GMT -6
I understand what you are saying. I am saying I do not believe this LCA case will find its way to, and then through arbitration. Out of district ineligibility for a senior player is substantially different than a school intentionally trying to skirt a rule. We all know what went down at LCA and we all know what the duties of the Head coach are. They broke the rules, but they will argue that the LHSAA's rule concerning the head coach and the assistants are very vague when it comes to the interpretations of the duties and limitations of each position or title. The will play ignorant as to how the rules was supposed to be interpreted. All I know is that Bladwin better be able to prove he was at the practices and on the sidelines at the games, and if not, he better have medical documentations as to why he wasn't. But to WHO. That is what I have been saying. To whom will they present arguments? That is my point.
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Post by Southplaq on Apr 16, 2019 20:02:21 GMT -6
To whomever they chose. I don't think LCA will lay down and accept the LHSAA's decision if they feel they have a case that they can win. There are ways around the LHSAA.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 21:57:10 GMT -6
I disagree with that Easy. I don’t like taking championships especially if they’re going to give the wins to teams that lost. LCA was the best team in D4 last year and they proved it on the field. I hate that they gave Lab’s 2 titles to 2 teams that got destroyed. If anything at the most, just leave the championships vacant if they have to take them from the winning team. And I don’t agree with that at all. Suspend Trev a year, put LCA on probation, and be done with it. I agree. Voiding a title is one thing. Bestowing it on another team is quite different. We finally agree on something.
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Post by thedomeranger on Apr 17, 2019 12:09:53 GMT -6
We all know what went down at LCA and we all know what the duties of the Head coach are. They broke the rules, but they will argue that the LHSAA's rule concerning the head coach and the assistants are very vague when it comes to the interpretations of the duties and limitations of each position or title. The will play ignorant as to how the rules was supposed to be interpreted. All I know is that Bladwin better be able to prove he was at the practices and on the sidelines at the games, and if not, he better have medical documentations as to why he wasn't. But to WHO. That is what I have been saying. To whom will they present arguments? That is my point. 5.5 REGULAR APPEALS - If a school is dissatisfied with a penalty ruling imposed by the Executive Director, the principal may appeal the decision to the Executive Committee. The appeal shall be submitted in writing within fifteen (15) calendar days of the ruling. If a Executive Director’s ruling of ineligibility on a student is appealed to the Executive Committee, the student whose eligibility is pending shall not participate in any athletic contest until his/her case is ruled on by the Committee. Then there is litigation but that gets expensive if you lose. 5.7 LITIGATION AGAINST THE LHSAA 5.7.1 Any member school, including an administrator, athletic director, and/or coach, who is party to a suit against the Association, shall be held liable for all legal fees, attorney’s expenses, and court costs if the final decision of the case is in favor of the LHSAA.
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Post by retired on Apr 18, 2019 17:49:34 GMT -6
To whomever they chose. I don't think LCA will lay down and accept the LHSAA's decision if they feel they have a case that they can win. There are ways around the LHSAA. That just isn't how it works. They can't "chose" anyone they want. They have to follow the proper procedures, which in this case would be pretty expensive AND most likely a losing case. My opinion (your's apparently differs) but I believe the arbitrator or judge (depending on the path taken) would view this significantly differently than a case like Robinson and Hahnville, which involved a student athlete and a finite time span. Here LCA would have to prove that Baldwin was the LEADER of the program. Since he was not, how would they do that, short of lying, having students lie etc. If that is the route we are going, then just take athletics out of schools, let it be the wild wild west and do the club thing. I understand what you are saying, that LCA could put on a solid Bill Clinton type defense based upon what the meaning of the word "is" is. However, if LCA tries that, then I really think that is a cringeworthy choice.
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Post by indy on Apr 18, 2019 18:25:46 GMT -6
But to WHO. That is what I have been saying. To whom will they present arguments? That is my point. 5.5 REGULAR APPEALS - If a school is dissatisfied with a penalty ruling imposed by the Executive Director, the principal may appeal the decision to the Executive Committee. The appeal shall be submitted in writing within fifteen (15) calendar days of the ruling. If a Executive Director’s ruling of ineligibility on a student is appealed to the Executive Committee, the student whose eligibility is pending shall not participate in any athletic contest until his/her case is ruled on by the Committee. Then there is litigation but that gets expensive if you lose. 5.7 LITIGATION AGAINST THE LHSAA 5.7.1 Any member school, including an administrator, athletic director, and/or coach, who is party to a suit against the Association, shall be held liable for all legal fees, attorney’s expenses, and court costs if the final decision of the case is in favor of the LHSAA. The LHSAA executive committee will listen to LCA ‘s appeal and then go behind closed doors and do eenie, meenie, miney, mo. And probably screw that Up.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Apr 20, 2019 18:02:02 GMT -6
To whomever they chose. I don't think LCA will lay down and accept the LHSAA's decision if they feel they have a case that they can win. There are ways around the LHSAA. That just isn't how it works. They can't "chose" anyone they want. They have to follow the proper procedures, which in this case would be pretty expensive AND most likely a losing case. My opinion (your's apparently differs) but I believe the arbitrator or judge (depending on the path taken) would view this significantly differently than a case like Robinson and Hahnville, which involved a student athlete and a finite time span. Here LCA would have to prove that Baldwin was the LEADER of the program. Since he was not, how would they do that, short of lying, having students lie etc. If that is the route we are going, then just take athletics out of schools, let it be the wild wild west and do the club thing. I understand what you are saying, that LCA could put on a solid Bill Clinton type defense based upon what the meaning of the word "is" is. However, if LCA tries that, then I really think that is a cringeworthy choice. I would think the LHSAA would have to prove that Baldwin WASN'T the leader of the program. And the articles mentioning Faulk would be inadmissible as evidence since, by calling him the head coach, their truthfulness can be questioned. It's like if you write about the Saints and call me the head coach, why should we believe anything else in the article?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 2:02:17 GMT -6
It appears that using the term "hater" has become the standard tactic for those who realize that either: 1. They are wrong but don't want to admit it and are just responding to save face. Or 2. They still think they are right but can't come up with any convincing arguments to back up their beliefs. Personally I don't see anything wrong with having a head coach who is not a full-time teacher. I'm not sure of the impetus behind the LHSAA having that rule in place, but they must have thought it was necessary for a reason. At least at the time it was implemented. The LCA principal can always propose a change to that rule in the future at the next LHSAA rules meeting, but even if such a change is approved by the principals that won't help them if they have broken the rule beforehand. Here is where it becomes a problem: Time. When i say time I am referring to many things: First being: time as a Head Coach for some schools of prominence would involve almost entirely of football things; while other schools with less resources must have their HC cleaning toilets or watching the library--meaning their coaches aren't spending their time becoming smarter better coaches focused on their team. Second is time to study. While other less fortunate schools HC are scrubbing the toilet bowl becoming expert custodians these more profitable and flamboyant schools HC are becoming savants of their hired trade as HC's studying film and learning we concepts on offenses and defenses if desired: networking is possible to with other names for help. That is why the rule is in effect. End of story. About "fairness". But many schools HC's become Athletic Directors and don't do s*** all day but study film of course allowing someone else do the hiring in administration. But, what is interesting is Ouachita HC has never held a Teaching position and their Athletic Director has been the same old dude Freddy McHenry for decades. How does Ouachita get away with this crap? Oh, yes, they suck.
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Post by kennypowers on Apr 21, 2019 11:01:42 GMT -6
It appears that using the term "hater" has become the standard tactic for those who realize that either: 1. They are wrong but don't want to admit it and are just responding to save face. Or 2. They still think they are right but can't come up with any convincing arguments to back up their beliefs. Personally I don't see anything wrong with having a head coach who is not a full-time teacher. I'm not sure of the impetus behind the LHSAA having that rule in place, but they must have thought it was necessary for a reason. At least at the time it was implemented. The LCA principal can always propose a change to that rule in the future at the next LHSAA rules meeting, but even if such a change is approved by the principals that won't help them if they have broken the rule beforehand. Here is where it becomes a problem: Time. When i say time I am referring to many things: First being: time as a Head Coach for some schools of prominence would involve almost entirely of football things; while other schools with less resources must have their HC cleaning toilets or watching the library--meaning their coaches aren't spending their time becoming smarter better coaches focused on their team. Second is time to study. While other less fortunate schools HC are scrubbing the toilet bowl becoming expert custodians these more profitable and flamboyant schools HC are becoming savants of their hired trade as HC's studying film and learning we concepts on offenses and defenses if desired: networking is possible to with other names for help. That is why the rule is in effect. End of story. About "fairness". But many schools HC's become Athletic Directors and don't do s*** all day but study film of course allowing someone else do the hiring in administration. But, what is interesting is Ouachita HC has never held a Teaching position and their Athletic Director has been the same old dude Freddy McHenry for decades. How does Ouachita get away with this crap? Oh, yes, they suck. By the way who is their head coach?
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Post by Southplaq on Jun 2, 2019 20:23:44 GMT -6
any new info an Faulk and LCA
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