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Post by cjr3888 on Aug 21, 2019 14:32:17 GMT -6
"Distinct similarities". Interesting. Yes. Two other cases of the same thing have been reported to the LHSAA this year according to the article.
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Post by indy on Aug 21, 2019 15:13:04 GMT -6
The mom had a complaint with a LPSS board member. So she took her kid out of lafayette parish to another school. Sounds like the mom has issues and now has an out of zone child. She might want to keep quiet
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Post by wshs on Aug 21, 2019 15:26:42 GMT -6
The mom had a complaint with a LPSS board member. So she took her kid out of lafayette parish to another school. Sounds like the mom has issues and now has an out of zone child. She might want to keep quiet Thought the article said the child moved to where the mom was coaching? Think you are able to apply for a hardship for that type of thing.
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Post by movethechains on Aug 21, 2019 15:32:30 GMT -6
I think Southplaq makes the best point about the head coach. The head coach on paper is still the head coach no matter if he does very little or if an assistant does a lot. Example...on fourth and one, if the head coach wants to run a certain play but an assistant coach wants to run another play, I would think when it comes down to it, the head coach has the final say. Kinda like a job where the boss let's his dumb son take over the company and he is officially the new boss. The guy that is second in command has thirty years experience and knows the business in and out because he basically has been running it for his old boss. So he now runs the business for the old boss son. New "boss" knows nothing about running the business, but he is still the boss. Doesn't matter if there are three "assistants" that know way more. HE IS THE BOSS. Head coach at LCA is NOT Faulk. Doesn't matter what he does during practice or the game, he is an assistant. LCA's HEAD COACH is a full time employee. From what I've read, Faulk probably ran the team, but he still wasn't the HEAD COACH. Southplaq hit the nail on the head concerning J.T. Lots of times Trosclair isn't in the huddle when the Eunice Bobcats come to the sideline. If Faulk wasn't head coach ON PAPER, then he wasn't the head coach. LCA's head coach is a full time employee. I know that's probably just in a technical sense, lol. But I don't think they broke that particular rule. Now, any other rules, who knows.
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Post by retired on Aug 21, 2019 16:04:51 GMT -6
I think Southplaq makes the best point about the head coach. The head coach on paper is still the head coach no matter if he does very little or if an assistant does a lot. Example...on fourth and one, if the head coach wants to run a certain play but an assistant coach wants to run another play, I would think when it comes down to it, the head coach has the final say. Kinda like a job where the boss let's his dumb son take over the company and he is officially the new boss. The guy that is second in command has thirty years experience and knows the business in and out because he basically has been running it for his old boss. So he now runs the business for the old boss son. New "boss" knows nothing about running the business, but he is still the boss. Doesn't matter if there are three "assistants" that know way more. HE IS THE BOSS. Head coach at LCA is NOT Faulk. Doesn't matter what he does during practice or the game, he is an assistant. LCA's HEAD COACH is a full time employee. From what I've read, Faulk probably ran the team, but he still wasn't the HEAD COACH. Southplaq hit the nail on the head concerning J.T. Lots of times Trosclair isn't in the huddle when the Eunice Bobcats come to the sideline. If Faulk wasn't head coach ON PAPER, then he wasn't the head coach. LCA's head coach is a full time employee. I know that's probably just in a technical sense, lol. But I don't think they broke that particular rule. Now, any other rules, who knows. . I am sorry but what you are describing here is simply the English language definition of the word “definition”. The Head coach is the leader of the. Football program, not the person whose name is next to the title. You “lol” at the fact that in this case it was only in “the technical sense.” Why even bother to codify anything if such technical bypasses are so easy? The intent of this rule is extremely evident— to avoid situations of this exact nature. If you could somehow fix your speedometer to never display above 55, and you go flying down the interstate at 90, you are still speeding.
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Post by movethechains on Aug 21, 2019 16:40:55 GMT -6
Good point retired. But, who determines if the "coach" was also the "leader"? My point was how can anyone say, okay coach, we don't think you were the leader. And how do you prove this? And your speedometer can be off, but it the cops go by what their radar says. So fixing the speedometer is useless, lol. But I do understand and respect the point you're making. As far as I know, there isn't in specific definitions to what all a coach has to do to be called a coach. Sad as it is,,,,it is technically easy to get around. Btw, do you follow any particular team? Just wondering.
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Post by indy on Aug 21, 2019 16:55:44 GMT -6
Good point retired. But, who determines if the "coach" was also the "leader"? My point was how can anyone say, okay coach, we don't think you were the leader. And how do you prove this? And your speedometer can be off, but it the cops go by what their radar says. So fixing the speedometer is useless, lol. But I do understand and respect the point you're making. As far as I know, there isn't in specific definitions to what all a coach has to do to be called a coach. Sad as it is,,,,it is technically easy to get around. Btw, do you follow any particular team? Just wondering. To me the argument is when and if the LHSAA decides to enforce their rules that are written in pencil. They have a history of turning a blind eye in many cases. Why follow the rules in this case? So what if Trev wasn’t technically the “head” coach? If they paid Trev $1 and made him AD to make it technically legal, would that matter? I guarantee their are multiple cases similar but the schools aren’t winning, so is Winning punishable? The lead LHSAA is a joke.
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Post by thedomeranger on Aug 21, 2019 16:58:34 GMT -6
"Distinct similarities". Interesting. Yes. Two other cases of the same thing have been reported to the LHSAA this year according to the article. Or the same case reported anonymously twice by the same woman? It’s also interesting that the article states “Mouton has enrolled her daughter in a Vermilion Parish school where the mother coaches basketball.” So the mom coaches basketball in Vermillion parish but lives in Lafayette parish. Seems convenient.
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Post by movethechains on Aug 21, 2019 16:59:24 GMT -6
You are so right, Indy. Great post.
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Post by retired on Aug 22, 2019 13:20:29 GMT -6
Good point retired. But, who determines if the "coach" was also the "leader"? My point was how can anyone say, okay coach, we don't think you were the leader. And how do you prove this? And your speedometer can be off, but it the cops go by what their radar says. So fixing the speedometer is useless, lol. But I do understand and respect the point you're making. As far as I know, there isn't in specific definitions to what all a coach has to do to be called a coach. Sad as it is,,,,it is technically easy to get around. Btw, do you follow any particular team? Just wondering. No, I do not follow any particular team. As far as the leader, again as I mentioned before on this site at the HS level it is probably going to be : Who is making the practice scripts Who has final say on personnel Who has final say on schematics Who is making team related in game decisions (like go for it or punt, accept or decline penalty etc) If anyone thinks Barry Baldwin had the final decision on those matters, I just don't buy it. There absolutely could have been a scenario where Trev Faulk was just an asst coach. But all signs in this case seem to show this simply wasn't the case. And I think it is pathetic that yet ANOTHER school advertising themselves as "Christian" looks at the rules as something to be gotten around or expose with loopholes. Regarding Indy's incessant chants that the LHSAA turns blind eyes and plays favorites regarding the rules, I doubt he understands the process, nor complexity of the endeavor. Just look at last year, and the commotion involving the Andrew Robinson "enforced ruling".
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Post by movethechains on Aug 22, 2019 14:15:26 GMT -6
There IS ONE thing that is for certain. The LHSAA is a MESS.
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Post by Southplaq on Aug 22, 2019 14:18:32 GMT -6
I think Southplaq makes the best point about the head coach. The head coach on paper is still the head coach no matter if he does very little or if an assistant does a lot. Example...on fourth and one, if the head coach wants to run a certain play but an assistant coach wants to run another play, I would think when it comes down to it, the head coach has the final say. Kinda like a job where the boss let's his dumb son take over the company and he is officially the new boss. The guy that is second in command has thirty years experience and knows the business in and out because he basically has been running it for his old boss. So he now runs the business for the old boss son. New "boss" knows nothing about running the business, but he is still the boss. Doesn't matter if there are three "assistants" that know way more. HE IS THE BOSS. Head coach at LCA is NOT Faulk. Doesn't matter what he does during practice or the game, he is an assistant. LCA's HEAD COACH is a full time employee. From what I've read, Faulk probably ran the team, but he still wasn't the HEAD COACH. Southplaq hit the nail on the head concerning J.T. Lots of times Trosclair isn't in the huddle when the Eunice Bobcats come to the sideline. If Faulk wasn't head coach ON PAPER, then he wasn't the head coach. LCA's head coach is a full time employee. I know that's probably just in a technical sense, lol. But I don't think they broke that particular rule. Now, any other rules, who knows. All posters pay close attention. This is a smart man right here. Not only does he see the big picture, like southplaq does, but he also gave a PERFECT example solidify his point. Great post, man.
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Post by Southplaq on Aug 22, 2019 14:38:56 GMT -6
I think Southplaq makes the best point about the head coach. The head coach on paper is still the head coach no matter if he does very little or if an assistant does a lot. Example...on fourth and one, if the head coach wants to run a certain play but an assistant coach wants to run another play, I would think when it comes down to it, the head coach has the final say. Kinda like a job where the boss let's his dumb son take over the company and he is officially the new boss. The guy that is second in command has thirty years experience and knows the business in and out because he basically has been running it for his old boss. So he now runs the business for the old boss son. New "boss" knows nothing about running the business, but he is still the boss. Doesn't matter if there are three "assistants" that know way more. HE IS THE BOSS. Head coach at LCA is NOT Faulk. Doesn't matter what he does during practice or the game, he is an assistant. LCA's HEAD COACH is a full time employee. From what I've read, Faulk probably ran the team, but he still wasn't the HEAD COACH. Southplaq hit the nail on the head concerning J.T. Lots of times Trosclair isn't in the huddle when the Eunice Bobcats come to the sideline. If Faulk wasn't head coach ON PAPER, then he wasn't the head coach. LCA's head coach is a full time employee. I know that's probably just in a technical sense, lol. But I don't think they broke that particular rule. Now, any other rules, who knows. Retired has always made some valid points concerning this issue. WE ALL KNOW what the true definition of a head coach is, but will that stand up in court? TECHNICALLY, the head coach is the guy the school has on the official paperwork as "Head Coach". I don't give a rat's what his level of involvement or level of commitment is concerning the team. We all know what a true head coach is supposed to do and supposed to be. We all know what the head coach's duties should be and we all know what level of commitment and dedication the head coach should have. BUT AGAIN, is all of that needed when it comes down to who is LEGALLY the head coach according to official documents. You guys can go on and on and on about what you feel the head coach should be and what duties the head coach should have, but the bottom line is, how will the legal entities involved in this, interpret the official documents that list Baldwin as head coach. We all know Faulk is the "head coach", but don't think for one minute that LCA is going to go through the trouble of filing a lawsuit if they didn't think they could win. And from what I understand, because the bylaw does not include a definition of a head coach nor a description of prohibited conduct, then LCA will use this to their advantage.
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Post by indy on Aug 22, 2019 15:04:14 GMT -6
I think Southplaq makes the best point about the head coach. The head coach on paper is still the head coach no matter if he does very little or if an assistant does a lot. Example...on fourth and one, if the head coach wants to run a certain play but an assistant coach wants to run another play, I would think when it comes down to it, the head coach has the final say. Kinda like a job where the boss let's his dumb son take over the company and he is officially the new boss. The guy that is second in command has thirty years experience and knows the business in and out because he basically has been running it for his old boss. So he now runs the business for the old boss son. New "boss" knows nothing about running the business, but he is still the boss. Doesn't matter if there are three "assistants" that know way more. HE IS THE BOSS. Head coach at LCA is NOT Faulk. Doesn't matter what he does during practice or the game, he is an assistant. LCA's HEAD COACH is a full time employee. From what I've read, Faulk probably ran the team, but he still wasn't the HEAD COACH. Southplaq hit the nail on the head concerning J.T. Lots of times Trosclair isn't in the huddle when the Eunice Bobcats come to the sideline. If Faulk wasn't head coach ON PAPER, then he wasn't the head coach. LCA's head coach is a full time employee. I know that's probably just in a technical sense, lol. But I don't think they broke that particular rule. Now, any other rules, who knows. Retired has always made some valid points concerning this issue. WE ALL KNOW what the true definition of a head coach is, but will that stand up in court? TECHNICALLY, the head coach is the guy the school has on the official paperwork as "Head Coach". I don't give a rat's what his level of involvement or level of commitment is concerning the team. We all know what a true head coach is supposed to do and supposed to be. We all know what the head coach's duties should be and we all know what level of commitment and dedication the head coach should have. BUT AGAIN, is all of that needed when it comes down to who is LEGALLY the head coach according to official documents. You guys can go on and on and on about what you feel the head coach should be and what duties the head coach should have, but the bottom line is, how will the legal entities involved in this, interpret the official documents that list Baldwin as head coach. We all know Faulk is the "head coach", but don't think for one minute that LCA is going to go through the trouble of filing a lawsuit if they didn't think they could win. And from what I understand, because the bylaw does not include a definition of a head coach nor a description of prohibited conduct, then LCA will use this to their advantage. TECHNICALLY we have zones, TECHNICALLY transfers are illegal for athletic purposes. But the LHSAA turns a blind eye to those rules which each infraction affects multiple schools. Trev’s situation only affects LCA. So TECHNICALLY the LHSAA is run by self serving s.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Aug 22, 2019 15:25:41 GMT -6
Well some have zones
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Post by indy on Aug 22, 2019 15:33:03 GMT -6
Every school has a zone, no one is enforcing them
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Post by retired on Aug 22, 2019 15:48:13 GMT -6
Retired has always made some valid points concerning this issue. WE ALL KNOW what the true definition of a head coach is, but will that stand up in court? TECHNICALLY, the head coach is the guy the school has on the official paperwork as "Head Coach". I don't give a rat's what his level of involvement or level of commitment is concerning the team. We all know what a true head coach is supposed to do and supposed to be. We all know what the head coach's duties should be and we all know what level of commitment and dedication the head coach should have. BUT AGAIN, is all of that needed when it comes down to who is LEGALLY the head coach according to official documents. You guys can go on and on and on about what you feel the head coach should be and what duties the head coach should have, but the bottom line is, how will the legal entities involved in this, interpret the official documents that list Baldwin as head coach. We all know Faulk is the "head coach", but don't think for one minute that LCA is going to go through the trouble of filing a lawsuit if they didn't think they could win. And from what I understand, because the bylaw does not include a definition of a head coach nor a description of prohibited conduct, then LCA will use this to their advantage. TECHNICALLY we have zones, TECHNICALLY transfers are illegal for athletic purposes. But the LHSAA turns a blind eye to those rules which each infraction affects multiple schools. Trev’s situation only affects LCA. So TECHNICALLY the LHSAA is run by self serving s. Kevone Johnson (Comeaux) Andrew Robinson (Hahnville). Walker girls basketball coach Korey Walker suspended a year for recruiting violations. All of these things go through a process. Sometimes appeals are successful. The process is not headline driven like much of your information. And Keep in mind, just because you (alarmingly) seem to be in the know regarding the living arrangements of a plethora of high school students throughout the state, that doesn't mean you know the stories or facts involved. You just seem to enjoy showing everyone here that you know the whereabouts and movements of young children..... a skill I am sure the organization you support finds quite valuable But please, continue with your charade.
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Post by retired on Aug 22, 2019 15:50:45 GMT -6
I think Southplaq makes the best point about the head coach. The head coach on paper is still the head coach no matter if he does very little or if an assistant does a lot. Example...on fourth and one, if the head coach wants to run a certain play but an assistant coach wants to run another play, I would think when it comes down to it, the head coach has the final say. Kinda like a job where the boss let's his dumb son take over the company and he is officially the new boss. The guy that is second in command has thirty years experience and knows the business in and out because he basically has been running it for his old boss. So he now runs the business for the old boss son. New "boss" knows nothing about running the business, but he is still the boss. Doesn't matter if there are three "assistants" that know way more. HE IS THE BOSS. Head coach at LCA is NOT Faulk. Doesn't matter what he does during practice or the game, he is an assistant. LCA's HEAD COACH is a full time employee. From what I've read, Faulk probably ran the team, but he still wasn't the HEAD COACH. Southplaq hit the nail on the head concerning J.T. Lots of times Trosclair isn't in the huddle when the Eunice Bobcats come to the sideline. If Faulk wasn't head coach ON PAPER, then he wasn't the head coach. LCA's head coach is a full time employee. I know that's probably just in a technical sense, lol. But I don't think they broke that particular rule. Now, any other rules, who knows. Retired has always made some valid points concerning this issue. WE ALL KNOW what the true definition of a head coach is, but will that stand up in court? TECHNICALLY, the head coach is the guy the school has on the official paperwork as "Head Coach". I don't give a rat's what his level of involvement or level of commitment is concerning the team. We all know what a true head coach is supposed to do and supposed to be. We all know what the head coach's duties should be and we all know what level of commitment and dedication the head coach should have. BUT AGAIN, is all of that needed when it comes down to who is LEGALLY the head coach according to official documents. You guys can go on and on and on about what you feel the head coach should be and what duties the head coach should have, but the bottom line is, how will the legal entities involved in this, interpret the official documents that list Baldwin as head coach. We all know Faulk is the "head coach", but don't think for one minute that LCA is going to go through the trouble of filing a lawsuit if they didn't think they could win. And from what I understand, because the bylaw does not include a definition of a head coach nor a description of prohibited conduct, then LCA will use this to their advantage. I am not predicting what is going to happen. I am simply saying shame on supposedly "Christian" schools for looking for loopholes. I wonder if in theology class LCA teaches that Cain didn't kill able, because "technically, it was the rock that did it"
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Post by movethechains on Aug 22, 2019 15:54:09 GMT -6
Thanks for the compliments Southplaq…smart man? Not gonna touch that one, lol. I have been called a half breed....daddy from Opelousas and mama from Dequincy...hell, I can't never decide if I want "taters" or "gumbo" for supper. And I can't seem to get JC's schedule straight for nothing. Now it looks like instead of playing Toolen first game, they are playing Karr. Think you can make it to Shreveport for the BOB when they play Westlake Lions? The wife and I plan on going. Hope they have a chance against whoever that team is. I know absolutely nothing about them. I also see where they are scheduled against Lake Placid, FL.
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Post by retired on Aug 22, 2019 16:06:45 GMT -6
There IS ONE thing that is for certain. The LHSAA is a MESS. Given the current situation with the split, that would be accurate. Compared to other organizations throughout the country...maybe not. The reality is that much like the widening wealth inequality gap over the last 30 years, high school sports throughout the country has undergone a have vs have not, public vs private shift. In Florida, it is state law that transfers can not be regulated. Kids are literally playing football for School A, then cleaning out their lockers and moving to Basketball at School B.
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Post by Southplaq on Aug 22, 2019 17:20:51 GMT -6
Retired has always made some valid points concerning this issue. WE ALL KNOW what the true definition of a head coach is, but will that stand up in court? TECHNICALLY, the head coach is the guy the school has on the official paperwork as "Head Coach". I don't give a rat's what his level of involvement or level of commitment is concerning the team. We all know what a true head coach is supposed to do and supposed to be. We all know what the head coach's duties should be and we all know what level of commitment and dedication the head coach should have. BUT AGAIN, is all of that needed when it comes down to who is LEGALLY the head coach according to official documents. You guys can go on and on and on about what you feel the head coach should be and what duties the head coach should have, but the bottom line is, how will the legal entities involved in this, interpret the official documents that list Baldwin as head coach. We all know Faulk is the "head coach", but don't think for one minute that LCA is going to go through the trouble of filing a lawsuit if they didn't think they could win. And from what I understand, because the bylaw does not include a definition of a head coach nor a description of prohibited conduct, then LCA will use this to their advantage. I am not predicting what is going to happen. I am simply saying shame on supposedly "Christian" schools for looking for loopholes. I wonder if in theology class LCA teaches that Cain didn't kill able, because "technically, it was the rock that did it" “Technically, it was the Rock that killed Able” Nice one man!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Southplaq on Aug 22, 2019 17:24:20 GMT -6
Thanks for the compliments Southplaq…smart man? Not gonna touch that one, lol. I have been called a half breed....daddy from Opelousas and mama from Dequincy...hell, I can't never decide if I want "taters" or "gumbo" for supper. And I can't seem to get JC's schedule straight for nothing. Now it looks like instead of playing Toolen first game, they are playing Karr. Think you can make it to Shreveport for the BOB when they play Westlake Lions? The wife and I plan on going. Hope they have a chance against whoever that team is. I know absolutely nothing about them. I also see where they are scheduled against Lake Placid, FL. I’ll probably make the BOB game, but I’m not sure. JC’s schedule has changed up a good bit, but I did get the official schedule from the school yesterday.
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Post by movethechains on Aug 22, 2019 18:37:06 GMT -6
Would you please put it on here? Yes, I follow ND and Eunice, but since meeting J.T. Curtis and having a long talk with him, he has my respect and now I also follow them. Don't get to go to many of their games, obviously, because of the distance.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Aug 22, 2019 23:33:43 GMT -6
I am not predicting what is going to happen. I am simply saying shame on supposedly "Christian" schools for looking for loopholes. I wonder if in theology class LCA teaches that Cain didn't kill able, because "technically, it was the rock that did it" “Technically, it was the Rock that killed Able” Nice one man!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Who knew the People's Elbow was biblical???
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Post by Southplaq on Aug 23, 2019 11:06:52 GMT -6
“Technically, it was the Rock that killed Able” Nice one man!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Who knew the People's Elbow was biblical??? “The people’s elbow” 🤣🤣
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Post by thedomeranger on Aug 23, 2019 15:17:54 GMT -6
Who knew the People's Elbow was biblical??? “The people’s elbow” 🤣🤣
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