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Post by retired on Apr 8, 2019 18:22:44 GMT -6
While it seems pretty clear cut that LCA (and other schools) intentionally violated the mandatory faculty HC rule for football & basketball, I thought it would be interesting to see if people such a rule should be in place.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 20:26:33 GMT -6
Personally I feel it reduces the disconnect kids might have with HCs knowing that they’re involved beyond coaching them like an AAU team. No disrespect to Faulk, or other coaches in similar roles, but coaching high school kids goes well beyond the field/court and being at the school full-time helps fulfill those other HC duties. It also makes the HC more accessible to administrators and the community to address concerns. Just my humble opinion...
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Post by TheFireman89 on Apr 9, 2019 5:20:01 GMT -6
I do feel that a HC should be on staff. But as a non staff coach myself I also feel that the benefit of having knowledgeable and professional non staff assistants on a coaching staff is invaluable. Especially for a small school or an underfunded or understaffed school.
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Post by superdome2018 on Apr 9, 2019 9:51:58 GMT -6
CECP coaches are very big help to coaching staffs, BUT the head coach should always be a faculty member no question.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Apr 9, 2019 10:39:17 GMT -6
Sometimes the most qualified head coaching candidate cannot join the faculty for whatever reason... Especially in parishes where teachers must be certified.
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Post by retired on Apr 9, 2019 18:24:56 GMT -6
Sometimes the most qualified head coaching candidate cannot join the faculty for whatever reason... Especially in parishes where teachers must be certified. I would argue that by default then, that person is NOT the most qualified person to lead the most popular extra curricular school activities. Might be the best football coach, but keep in mind that it is a High School football team. If we are going to continue to go down the road of stripping the extra curricular out, lets go to the European model
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Post by mt on Apr 9, 2019 18:31:28 GMT -6
If someone is willing to sacrifice their time to kids and a community where they don’t have to then so be it.
Takes a village to raise children in my mind and the more the better that actually give a damn
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Post by indy on Apr 9, 2019 18:53:00 GMT -6
If someone is willing to sacrifice their time to kids and a community where they don’t have to then so be it. Takes a village to raise children in my mind and the more the better that actually give a damn Well said. But that would mean the LHSAA would have to make a rule that makes sense, then the LHSAA would have to enforce the rule. The LHSAA has failed miserably at both. It would be asking a lot from a self serving, jealous, low intellect group. IMO
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Post by mt on Apr 9, 2019 18:55:22 GMT -6
If someone is willing to sacrifice their time to kids and a community where they don’t have to then so be it. Takes a village to raise children in my mind and the more the better that actually give a damn Well said. But that would mean the LHSAA would have to make a rule that makes sense, then the LHSAA would have to enforce the rule. The LHSAA has failed miserably at both. It would be asking a lot from a self serving, jealous, low intellect group. IMO Bingo!
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Post by chalmetteowl on Apr 9, 2019 20:50:27 GMT -6
Sometimes the most qualified head coaching candidate cannot join the faculty for whatever reason... Especially in parishes where teachers must be certified. I would argue that by default then, that person is NOT the most qualified person to lead the most popular extra curricular school activities. Might be the best football coach, but keep in mind that it is a High School football team. If we are going to continue to go down the road of stripping the extra curricular out, lets go to the European model requiring the football and basketball coaches to be faculty is just extra bureaucratic BS that isn't fair to the people in those sports. It's not like any other material rules that make high school sports high school would change if that was changed. Players would still have to make good grades and be the right age to play Requiring the coach to be a faculty member is an unfair burden on smaller schools who can't place their coach in PE and fluff classes like drivers ed like bigger schools can.
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Post by retired on Apr 9, 2019 21:19:37 GMT -6
I would argue that by default then, that person is NOT the most qualified person to lead the most popular extra curricular school activities. Might be the best football coach, but keep in mind that it is a High School football team. If we are going to continue to go down the road of stripping the extra curricular out, lets go to the European model requiring the football and basketball coaches to be faculty is just extra bureaucratic BS that isn't fair to the people in those sports. It's not like any other material rules that make high school sports high school would change if that was changed. Players would still have to make good grades and be the right age to play Requiring the coach to be a faculty member is an unfair burden on smaller schools who can't place their coach in PE and fluff classes like drivers ed like bigger schools can. Keep in mind it is HEAD coaches. This isn't Texas, where ALL football coaches must be faculty members (interestingly enough though, I constantly hear how Texas is the "best" HS football. There is probably some correlation there...) I disagree with your assessment that it is bureaucratic BS. Rather it is a provision to try and keep school sports SCHOOL sports as opposed to simply sports teams that use a school facility and have a school's name on the jersey. How is it unfair? All small schools must have a faculty coach.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Apr 10, 2019 0:58:32 GMT -6
requiring the football and basketball coaches to be faculty is just extra bureaucratic BS that isn't fair to the people in those sports. It's not like any other material rules that make high school sports high school would change if that was changed. Players would still have to make good grades and be the right age to play Requiring the coach to be a faculty member is an unfair burden on smaller schools who can't place their coach in PE and fluff classes like drivers ed like bigger schools can. Keep in mind it is HEAD coaches. This isn't Texas, where ALL football coaches must be faculty members (interestingly enough though, I constantly hear how Texas is the "best" HS football. There is probably some correlation there...) I disagree with your assessment that it is bureaucratic BS. Rather it is a provision to try and keep school sports SCHOOL sports as opposed to simply sports teams that use a school facility and have a school's name on the jersey. How is it unfair? All small schools must have a faculty coach. if we let our schools have 4,000, 6,000 kids we'd probably have better football too. And you're ignoring that all kids have to go to the school they play for... Under that context it's school sports. I could give a crap where the head coach draws his paycheck. Most aren't real teachers anyway, in subjects of academic rigor (but some are). Let's be honest. They might be PE teachers but the head football coach is employed to be the head football coach...
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Post by Southplaq on Apr 10, 2019 10:03:36 GMT -6
no
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Post by warriorsblue on Apr 10, 2019 11:02:18 GMT -6
Most coaches such as I in my opinion went to school to get certified to teach so they could coach,,, I don't mind teaching class but in my 30 years being around high school sports,, that is not what drove me, I wanted to be around athletics not the other way around. Half of my career has been in MAIS schools that had talented coaches that most were retired from the public school sector and they enjoyed coaching. Most of them didn't teach fulltime,,, they coached. Unfortunately people keep up with sports for the most part in the sports section, they don't open up the paper to see if lil Johnny made a A on his English exam,, they open up the paper to see how many yards he ran for or how many points he may have scored. It is easier for the kids to relate if the HC is on campus all day but I have seen it happen both ways. Most schools try to help out the HC of football with easier classes (3 classes according to LHSAA minmium)so they can do a better jobs of trying to produce wins on the field.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Apr 10, 2019 14:10:02 GMT -6
Just because a coach isn’t on the faculty staff doesn’t mean he isn’t on campus during the day.
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Post by cjr3888 on Apr 10, 2019 14:28:16 GMT -6
Just because a coach isn’t on the faculty staff doesn’t mean he isn’t on campus during the day. If you have people who aren't school staff regularly on your campus during the day then you have major security problems at your school.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Apr 10, 2019 16:25:45 GMT -6
Just because a coach isn’t on the faculty staff doesn’t mean he isn’t on campus during the day. If you have people who aren't school staff regularly on your campus during the day then you have major security problems at your school. Lol. OK.
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Post by khsyellowjackets94 on Apr 10, 2019 19:26:38 GMT -6
When i was in high school all of our coaches taught classes and not just PE. Consumer Math, World History, US History, English, all taught by coaches. When i took Drivers Ed our high school Head Coach Johnny Buck was my instructor. Full time coaches should be full time faculty members, especially the head coach of the football program.
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Post by retired on Apr 10, 2019 20:23:37 GMT -6
Just because a coach isn’t on the faculty staff doesn’t mean he isn’t on campus during the day. If you have people who aren't school staff regularly on your campus during the day then you have major security problems at your school. While I understand what you are trying to say here cjr3888 the football coach would be a member of the school staff and could still not be a faculty member. Faculty members are a subset of the school staff that are responsible for the academic endeavors. It is easy to envision a guy on staff who might work 3rd shift at a plant being on campus from maybe 1:30pm-5:30pm or something similar. That is actually the underlying reason for the LHSAA rule. To ensure that the LEADER of the program in the 3 most popular sports be faculty members. I suppose the theory is that having someone who is academically invested in the school makes the extra-curricular activity better.
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Post by ACC08 on Apr 11, 2019 9:34:06 GMT -6
Also most HC don't have classes anyway. Majority of a HC day is based around public relations and fund raising. So the fact that a coach has to be a certified teacher makes no sense considering the fact he spends no time in the classroom. Coaching is a full time job that's always underpaid and underappreciated. And if someone wants to give that time it should be applauded. So you mean to tell me if Les Miles hadn't taken the Kansas job and wanted to go to high school with his staff he wouldn't be a good fit or good candidate? I mean he's not certified
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 10:26:20 GMT -6
Also most HC don't have classes anyway. Majority of a HC day is based around public relations and fund raising. So the fact that a coach has to be a certified teacher makes no sense considering the fact he spends no time in the classroom. Coaching is a full time job that's always underpaid and underappreciated. And if someone wants to give that time it should be applauded. So you mean to tell me if Les Miles hadn't taken the Kansas job and wanted to go to high school with his staff he wouldn't be a good fit or good candidate? I mean he's not certified Every HC I know teaches a minimum of 3 classes, 1 on block, if they’re the AD as well. Non-AD HC’s are required to teach full time unless they have ISS duty, which is kind of an administrative position as well. Now maybe it’s different in other states(Texas), but in Louisiana you have to teach.
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Post by ACC08 on Apr 11, 2019 21:05:30 GMT -6
Not true. No NELA coaches have classes. Now they are all ADs and spend their time fundraising and building their programs. So since they are doing these things and not in the classroom why do they have to be certified
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 22:13:07 GMT -6
Not true. No NELA coaches have classes. Now they are all ADs and spend their time fundraising and building their programs. So since they are doing these things and not in the classroom why do they have to be certified ADs are part of the school administration. School administrators are required to be certified. And I find it strange that a faculty member doesn’t have their name attached to at least a PE(run by assistants who are either off or have their own class during that time) or ISS. Louisiana requires ALL faculty members to have a class.
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Post by ACC08 on Apr 12, 2019 9:47:52 GMT -6
Yes I understand that certification is required but that is the point of the question. If they have no classes which I know for a fact that they dont and are dealing with "football business" all day why is certification needed?
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Post by Whammy on Apr 12, 2019 9:54:07 GMT -6
Job requirements say so.
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Post by LeeCorseaux on Apr 12, 2019 11:27:51 GMT -6
So in a case with Faulk, who I'm understanding is Certified..... He was HC at 2 prior schools before his current one. If he's on campus for most or all of the day, and is given a title of "Dean of Students" ( which is one that is listed in the LHSAA requirements )....does that make him "legal" to be a HC?
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Post by retired on Apr 12, 2019 17:53:22 GMT -6
So in a case with Faulk, who I'm understanding is Certified..... He was HC at 2 prior schools before his current one. If he's on campus for most or all of the day, and is given a title of "Dean of Students" ( which is one that is listed in the LHSAA requirements )....does that make him "legal" to be a HC? I would say, probably so. The idea isn't to make sure that the HFC is an algebra 2 teacher, or a biology teacher. It is simply to ensure that the leader of the program is involved in the SCHOOL and not just the football program.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Apr 12, 2019 19:33:57 GMT -6
So in a case with Faulk, who I'm understanding is Certified..... He was HC at 2 prior schools before his current one. If he's on campus for most or all of the day, and is given a title of "Dean of Students" ( which is one that is listed in the LHSAA requirements )....does that make him "legal" to be a HC? I would say, probably so. The idea isn't to make sure that the HFC is an algebra 2 teacher, or a biology teacher. It is simply to ensure that the leader of the program is involved in the SCHOOL and not just the football program. He’s on campus every day. And involved with the kids. The guy has his reasons for not wanting to be on the faculty. And they are valid. He volunteers his time, and LOTS of it. I get what everyone is saying about being a part of the school and HS sports and all of it. But Trev is very involved with the kids and is on campus. He has an office in the athletic building. He just doesn’t want to draw a salary. Barry Baldwin is the official head coach and is on the sidelines at all times, as per the rules. Anyone can interpret it as they choose.
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Post by retired on Apr 12, 2019 20:34:41 GMT -6
I would say, probably so. The idea isn't to make sure that the HFC is an algebra 2 teacher, or a biology teacher. It is simply to ensure that the leader of the program is involved in the SCHOOL and not just the football program. He’s on campus every day. And involved with the kids. The guy has his reasons for not wanting to be on the faculty. And they are valid. He volunteers his time, and LOTS of it. I get what everyone is saying about being a part of the school and HS sports and all of it. But Trev is very involved with the kids and is on campus. He has an office in the athletic building. He just doesn’t want to draw a salary. Barry Baldwin is the official head coach and is on the sidelines at all times, as per the rules. Anyone can interpret it as they choose. It is a private school-- he could negotiate his own salary ($1.00 if he desired) to be a teacher/admin whatever. Regardless, the issue seems to be that at any other school, the level of involvement demonstrated by Barry Baldwin would never constitute being a head coach. Saying he is "the official head coach" and is on the sidelines at all times as some justification is a true shame, particularly for a school formed to promote christian values. Trev could do everything you described here underneath a REAL head coach (if he didn't want to do what is required to be the HC). There is simply no way to justify anything here. For whatever reason (valid or not) LCA and Trev Faulk broke an LHSAA rule. Again, the rule is a rule. If it is a stupid rule, campaign to change it. But until then, follow it. Amazingly enough, this video fits perfectly as a reply again.
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