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Post by tigerfan87 on Apr 11, 2019 18:56:59 GMT -6
I realize this is old news to most of y’all, but I just found out that the state tournament is only semis and finals now. I hate that. I grew up going to the state softball tournament and always loved seeing all the teams. And including the quarters made it unique. I hope this change doesn’t last. How close was the vote on it?
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Post by khsyellowjackets94 on Apr 11, 2019 19:02:06 GMT -6
I realize this is old news to most of y’all, but I just found out that the state tournament is only semis and finals now. I hate that. I grew up going to the state softball tournament and always loved seeing all the teams. And including the quarters made it unique. I hope this change doesn’t last. How close was the vote on it? Its better this way. Schools don't have to spend as much on hotel rooms and fans can watch of the games being played. Also teams get another shot at a home playoff game. Cuts down on expenses overall and makes getting to Sulphur that much more special.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Apr 11, 2019 19:10:24 GMT -6
I realize this is old news to most of y’all, but I just found out that the state tournament is only semis and finals now. I hate that. I grew up going to the state softball tournament and always loved seeing all the teams. And including the quarters made it unique. I hope this change doesn’t last. How close was the vote on it? Its better this way. Schools don't have to spend as much on hotel rooms and fans can watch of the games being played. Also teams get another shot at a home playoff game. Cuts down on expenses overall and makes getting to Sulphur that much more special. I’m not a fan but I can see that reasoning. I never heard much complaining about those issues before. To me from an article I read it seems the issue that actually made this happen is some coaches not liking the semis and finals on the same day.
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Post by khsyellowjackets94 on Apr 11, 2019 19:14:15 GMT -6
Its better this way. Schools don't have to spend as much on hotel rooms and fans can watch of the games being played. Also teams get another shot at a home playoff game. Cuts down on expenses overall and makes getting to Sulphur that much more special. I’m not a fan but I can see that reasoning. I never heard much complaining about those issues before. To me from an article I read it seems the issue that actually made this happen is some coaches not liking the semis and finals on the same day. Those were issues for a lot of schools. But that's a great point about the Semis and Finals. I wouldn't like that as a player or a coach.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Apr 11, 2019 19:35:38 GMT -6
I’m not a fan but I can see that reasoning. I never heard much complaining about those issues before. To me from an article I read it seems the issue that actually made this happen is some coaches not liking the semis and finals on the same day. Those were issues for a lot of schools. But that's a great point about the Semis and Finals. I wouldn't like that as a player or a coach. Playing multiple games on the same day is a part of softball at every level so I can’t agree there. Anyway it is what it is but I hope it don’t last
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Post by blake2448 on Apr 11, 2019 19:43:51 GMT -6
Since the split it was way too many games in too few days. I think weather delays had teams playing after midnight one year. I dont think this experiment will work especially if the private schools go to their own state championships. I think it will be interesting to see how much money sulphur loses this year over years past. I imagine the hotel and restaurants will see a huge drop as teams wont be coming down until Thursday instead of Tuesday or Wednesday plus it's only half the teams.
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Post by khsyellowjackets94 on Apr 11, 2019 20:30:34 GMT -6
The Tournament is still a boost to the economy in the Lake Charles/Sulphur area even with less teams visiting. And its still better than the way it was under the old format.
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Post by superdome2018 on Apr 11, 2019 23:56:38 GMT -6
It needs to be semis and finals Too many teams down there. It should mean something to get down there just winning two to get to sulphur needed to be changed.
I think having the final 4 teams is the right move.
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Post by blake2448 on Apr 12, 2019 5:30:15 GMT -6
I dont disagree. 96 teams seems like a lot
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Post by tigerfan87 on Apr 12, 2019 5:59:59 GMT -6
It needs to be semis and finals Too many teams down there. It should mean something to get down there just winning two to get to sulphur needed to be changed. I think having the final 4 teams is the right move. See this I just don’t get. It had always been quarters and nobody ever thought or expressed that it was to easy to get there at least not to the point that many noticed. There were plenty of highly ranked teams that got upset in round 1-2 and didn’t make it over the years.I always thought the quarters being included is what made the softball tournament unique. Plus this isn’t basketball or football in baseball/softball there is a lot more parody and the level of competition is much closer. It was nothing for the the lowest seeded teams there to win multiple games. It wasn’t like there was a ton of bad teams there just getting killed while we waited on the better teams to matchup. I do get that with the split it’s just too many games and making kids play that late as the one poster said is a problem. If the selects go their own way and leave the venue I bet it grows back to the original format of 8 teams per class/division. What I think we are gonna see is interest decline with this change. I see no other result from reducing participation in a event that draws much of its popularity from its parody and variety of teams.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Apr 12, 2019 6:21:16 GMT -6
Is s vote coming up on selects leaving the venue or doing a different weekend like they are in football ?
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Post by blake2448 on Apr 12, 2019 7:23:18 GMT -6
I thought when they voted to leave the superdome, the vote also said the year following it would be for other sports. I could be mistaken that was several months ago
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Post by blake2448 on Apr 12, 2019 7:51:27 GMT -6
It needs to be semis and finals Too many teams down there. It should mean something to get down there just winning two to get to sulphur needed to be changed. I think having the final 4 teams is the right move. See this I just don’t get. It had always been quarters and nobody ever thought or expressed that it was to easy to get there at least not to the point that many noticed. There were plenty of highly ranked teams that got upset in round 1-2 and didn’t make it over the years.I always thought the quarters being included is what made the softball tournament unique. Plus this isn’t basketball or football in baseball/softball there is a lot more parody and the level of competition is much closer. It was nothing for the the lowest seeded teams there to win multiple games. It wasn’t like there was a ton of bad teams there just getting killed while we waited on the better teams to matchup. I do get that with the split it’s just too many games and making kids play that late as the one poster said is a problem. If the selects go their own way and leave the venue I bet it grows back to the original format of 8 teams per class/division. What I think we are gonna see is interest decline with this change. I see no other result from reducing participation in a event that draws much of its popularity from its parody and variety of teams. I actually disagree with this. I think there is less parity in softball than just about any other sport. Last year across all classes there were 29 upsets out of a possible 245 games. I would be willing to bet that is lower than basketball. I think in softball each year there are ton of run rule games. I also would love to see the brackets adjusted to where whatever the round is that eliminates byes that is the number of teams taken. If that number is 4 then so be it. It is ridiculous that almost every team makes the playoffs now. I mean just yesterday Centerville played at Haynesville (5 hour drive) the score was 21-3 in 3 innings. Tell me how Haynesville didn't lose money on that deal. The drive was 10 hours total for what maybe an hour game?
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Post by indy on Apr 16, 2019 8:00:30 GMT -6
the issue is THE SPLIT 96 teams is a farce
it amazes me how a poster on this site has a grand kid on our football and still has no clue of the true dynamic at our school
i hope all of realize last year that one of your "non select winners" had a girl on her third high school as a junior and was completely out of zone and at the school she played for also of note this same student made the all state team as a first team selection so it's hard to say she didn't matter
and it's not just a softball issue
one of the baseball teams has their best player drive over 35 minutes to school because the public school he's zoned for is terrible at baseball so he selected a different public school to play for
Mr. Bonine was 100% correct when you split the field you diminish the overall experience for all of the kids
IT'S SHAMEFUL FOR SOME OF YOU TO SUPPORT A SYSTEM WHERE GIRLS TEAMS EVEN STARTING IN THE SEMIFINALS BEGIN IN SULPHUR. some of you make the point about the extra home game and extra revenue that can be generated but seem ok that this opportunity doesn't exist for the "select" schools
but again this is supposed to be about the kids so one of you justify to me or at least attempt how it's fair that Northside Christian's girls only deserved two playoff games last year both in sulphur that's an experienceand journey they got denied and can't be made up
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Post by blake2448 on Apr 16, 2019 10:15:32 GMT -6
It also appears that the higher seed no longer hosts the games in softball. It appears the LHSAA has now adapted the same home/away plan they have for all the other sports. Again it is a shame that a team plays all year for a high seed, one upset happens and all of a sudden homefield advantage is gone. If they aren't going to reward the higher seeds, why not just go back to the regionalized formatting of the nonpowerpoint brackets, that way at least travel is minimized. I have complained about this before, but I don't feel its right every other sport besides Baseball/Softball being at home doesn't have a direct baring on the game, sure they may have more fans, but in football you play to each endzone for 2 quarters and in basketball you play offense on both ends of the court, however in these two sports, last bat has its advantages.
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Post by indy on Apr 16, 2019 11:28:06 GMT -6
Blake is correct
in baseball or softball the team batting last has an advantage it would make more sense if at last the higher seed team would get last bat at the other schools field
and the reason that higher seed homefield changed is ... you guessed it THE SPLIT
kid lives in broussard goes to an acadia parish school deemed not select different kid lives in broussard goes to Notre Dame deemed "select"
it's hard for me to understand the difference
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Post by wshs on Apr 16, 2019 12:21:38 GMT -6
Blake is correct in baseball or softball the team batting last has an advantage it would make more sense if at last the higher seed team would get last bat at the other schools field and the reason that higher seed homefield changed is ... you guessed it THE SPLIT kid lives in broussard goes to an acadia parish school deemed not select different kid lives in broussard goes to Notre Dame deemed "select" it's hard for me to understand the difference Too many unanswered questions. Does the Acadia parish public school know the kid lives out of zone? Does the LHSAA know the kid attending the Acadia Parish school lives out of zone? Are there any extenuating circumstances or reason for the child to attend a school out of zone?... such as parents working for the Acadia Parish school system.
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Post by blake2448 on Apr 16, 2019 12:41:00 GMT -6
I know of several instances where the schools allow kids from other parishes to attend school in that district without residency. Those schools are all listed as non select. I mean take the split for what it was created for, it was a way to split the public schools from the private schools. The LHSAA should just stop calling it select and non select.
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Post by wildcat on Apr 16, 2019 13:03:31 GMT -6
Blake is correct in baseball or softball the team batting last has an advantage it would make more sense if at last the higher seed team would get last bat at the other schools field and the reason that higher seed homefield changed is ... you guessed it THE SPLIT kid lives in broussard goes to an acadia parish school deemed not select different kid lives in broussard goes to Notre Dame deemed "select" it's hard for me to understand the difference Too many unanswered questions. Does the Acadia parish public school know the kid lives out of zone? Does the LHSAA know the kid attending the Acadia Parish school lives out of zone? Are there any extenuating circumstances or reason for the child to attend a school out of zone?... such as parents working for the Acadia Parish school system.
I have to disagree with the statement "in baseball or softball the team batting last has an advantage" How does that give them an advantage? Both teams have 21 outs to get done what they need to. Of all sports I think home field advantage is least important in BB/SB than any other sport, because everything is even.
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Post by wshs on Apr 16, 2019 13:25:09 GMT -6
Too many unanswered questions. Does the Acadia parish public school know the kid lives out of zone? Does the LHSAA know the kid attending the Acadia Parish school lives out of zone? Are there any extenuating circumstances or reason for the child to attend a school out of zone?... such as parents working for the Acadia Parish school system.
I have to disagree with the statement "in baseball or softball the team batting last has an advantage" How does that give them an advantage? Both teams have 21 outs to get done what they need to. Of all sports I think home field advantage is least important in BB/SB than any other sport, because everything is even. Have to disagree with you. Home field advantage is huge in baseball/softball. Every field is different, balls going to to bounce a little different. I personally think its huge for your team to play on the field they know best, for the pitchers to be pitching off the mound they know best. As for last bat, it does matter. Who doesn't want to know exactly what score they have to get to, to win? Who wants to minimize the amount of pitches their pitchers have to throw? If you are the visitor, you automatically have to throw your pitchers for 7 innings regardless. May not seem like that big of a deal, but with the pitch count rules it matters.
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Post by wildcat on Apr 16, 2019 13:35:06 GMT -6
I have to disagree with the statement "in baseball or softball the team batting last has an advantage" How does that give them an advantage? Both teams have 21 outs to get done what they need to. Of all sports I think home field advantage is least important in BB/SB than any other sport, because everything is even. Have to disagree with you. Home field advantage is huge in baseball/softball. Every field is different, balls going to to bounce a little different. I personally think its huge for your team to play on the field they know best, for the pitchers to be pitching off the mound they know best. As for last bat, it does matter. Who doesn't want to know exactly what score they have to get to, to win? Who wants to minimize the amount of pitches their pitchers have to throw? If you are the visitor, you automatically have to throw your pitchers for 7 innings regardless. May not seem like that big of a deal, but with the pitch count rules it matters.
No, if your the home team you must throw 7 innings regardless. If the home team is winning in the 7th, than the visiting team doesn't have to pitch. So with this logic it is best to be the visitor.
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Post by blake2448 on Apr 16, 2019 13:37:02 GMT -6
For instance the softball field in Olla faces due East, into the setting sun. The entire left side of the playing surface looking towards home plate into the sun. The home team is used to playing with those conditions, however the away team is not. Also, I would absolutely rather have the ability to know in the top of the 7th 3 outs wins it or I get a chance to answer. I am pretty sure in baseball in the best of 3 series the highest seed always hosts, and aren't they the home teams in games 1 and 3 with them flipping for game 2?
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Post by thedomeranger on Apr 16, 2019 15:30:13 GMT -6
Too many unanswered questions. Does the Acadia parish public school know the kid lives out of zone? Does the LHSAA know the kid attending the Acadia Parish school lives out of zone? Are there any extenuating circumstances or reason for the child to attend a school out of zone?... such as parents working for the Acadia Parish school system.
I have to disagree with the statement "in baseball or softball the team batting last has an advantage" How does that give them an advantage? Both teams have 21 outs to get done what they need to. Of all sports I think home field advantage is least important in BB/SB than any other sport, because everything is even. The advantage is knowing what is required scoring wise. That affects baserunning decisions, specifically but can also affect pinch hitting, sacrifice and bunt/no bunt decisions. But it is true that baseball has less of a home field advantage than does football and basketball. The following is a study from 2011 regarding homefield in professional sports.
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