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Post by iamray on Apr 22, 2019 19:40:59 GMT -6
I've been inspired by another poster to lay out why I believe private school football programs have two substantial advantages over public school football programs. Let's try and keep this civil.
My opinion is based on two items - boundaries and selection.
Private schools are not limited to attendance zones or "boundaries" to select their students. Simply put, a private school has the ability to admit students from well beyond any attendance zone applied to a public school. This allows private school programs to have better access to more students as opposed to a public school who must take any student from its zone. I am not so naive to believe that there are no out of zone students at public schools, but it is against the rules, whereas private schools are allowed to select students from almost anywhere.
Finally, private schools have the ability to select their student body. Public schools cannot do this. Public schools must take students from their zone; they do not have the advantage of being able to cherry pick their student bodies. This, coupled with the advantage of having no boundaries, gives private school programs a substantial advantage over public school programs.
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Post by indy on Apr 22, 2019 20:05:17 GMT -6
In Acadia Parish we follow no zones. Kids go where they or their parents choose to send them for a variety of reasons from academic, to sports, to band. The difference is That you will say is out of Parish students. Well to answer that, Church Point has more out of Parish students than ND. And as far as a school choosing a student is not reality, an Acadia Parish public school stands as good a chance at choosing a student as ND does. Public school in Acadia is free at ND, $7 large.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Apr 22, 2019 21:03:09 GMT -6
I've been inspired by another poster to lay out why I believe private school football programs have two substantial advantages over public school football programs. Let's try and keep this civil. My opinion is based on two items - boundaries and selection. Private schools are not limited to attendance zones or "boundaries" to select their students. Simply put, a private school has the ability to admit students from well beyond any attendance zone applied to a public school. This allows private school programs to have better access to more students as opposed to a public school who must take any student from its zone. I am not so naive to believe that there are no out of zone students at public schools, but it is against the rules, whereas private schools are allowed to select students from almost anywhere. Finally, private schools have the ability to select their student body. Public schools cannot do this. Public schools must take students from their zone; they do not have the advantage of being able to cherry pick their student bodies. This, coupled with the advantage of having no boundaries, gives private school programs a substantial advantage over public school programs. Agreeing with what Indy said above, I’d also like to add that not having “boundaries” also means that privates are not guaranteed ANY students. They have to advertise and promote their school...ie, “recruit” students to attend. If they don’t, there may not be a school. No students...no school
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 1:27:12 GMT -6
This post is redundant and counter productive 🤦♂️
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Post by fanman on Apr 23, 2019 6:14:31 GMT -6
And the beat goes on. Never stops
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Post by Thumper01 on Apr 23, 2019 9:15:14 GMT -6
Well, IAMRAY, I agree on your two points.
1. Private schools like Evangel can "get" their students from anywhere, ie Someone could be on vacation in California and tell a parent about how "great" our school is, and like magic the student shows up in West Shreveport.
2. As far as enrollment goes, yes you are correct, Public schools by law must take "everybody". In a broad sense bad students do get weeded (no pun) out in the Public School. At Evangel bad students can be shown the door and removed quickly.
I have always said the two, Private and Public have nothing in common, and Private schools should have their own league.
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Post by oldsouth on Apr 23, 2019 9:51:21 GMT -6
Every single player at a public school is on a state funded scholarship and goes there for free. That’s quite the advantage.
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Post by iamray on Apr 23, 2019 10:39:06 GMT -6
Every single player at a public school is on a state funded scholarship and goes there for free. That’s quite the advantage. This is true. However, public schools have cannot tell a student "no." They must accept whoever resides within their zone. Private programs have the advantage of choosing their players. With that in mind, public programs are more reliant on feeder schools whereas privates have the ability to go get who they want, when they want them.
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Post by iamray on Apr 23, 2019 10:41:16 GMT -6
This post is redundant and counter productive 🤦♂️ It doesn't have to be. There are those within the public ranks who feel the same as I do on this matter. Maybe if we took the time to listen to each other's perspective and not be dismissive we could gain some common ground. With that in mind, how do you feel about the matter?
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Post by iamray on Apr 23, 2019 10:44:05 GMT -6
I've been inspired by another poster to lay out why I believe private school football programs have two substantial advantages over public school football programs. Let's try and keep this civil. My opinion is based on two items - boundaries and selection. Private schools are not limited to attendance zones or "boundaries" to select their students. Simply put, a private school has the ability to admit students from well beyond any attendance zone applied to a public school. This allows private school programs to have better access to more students as opposed to a public school who must take any student from its zone. I am not so naive to believe that there are no out of zone students at public schools, but it is against the rules, whereas private schools are allowed to select students from almost anywhere. Finally, private schools have the ability to select their student body. Public schools cannot do this. Public schools must take students from their zone; they do not have the advantage of being able to cherry pick their student bodies. This, coupled with the advantage of having no boundaries, gives private school programs a substantial advantage over public school programs. Agreeing with what Indy said above, I’d also like to add that not having “boundaries” also means that privates are not guaranteed ANY students. They have to advertise and promote their school...ie, “recruit” students to attend. If they don’t, there may not be a school. No students...no school Let's be practical. While private school programs do have the "burden" of tuition, they also have the ability to alleviate that burden with scholarships and work study programs. Catholic High has over 130 scholarships available. John Curtis has scholarships and work study programs. And let's also keep the discussion to football programs.
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Post by indy on Apr 23, 2019 10:47:41 GMT -6
Every single player at a public school is on a state funded scholarship and goes there for free. That’s quite the advantage. This is true. However, public schools have cannot tell a student "no." They must accept whoever resides within their zone. Private programs have the advantage of choosing their players. With that in mind, public programs are more reliant on feeder schools whereas privates have the ability to go get who they want, when they want them. To my knowledge ND has never turned down a student. We have asked some to leave for things such as non-payment, substance abuse, failed grades, etc. parents choose schools, schools don’t choose students. You make it sound like there is some kind of lottery or draft picks. You obviously are misinformed
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Post by iamray on Apr 23, 2019 11:26:48 GMT -6
In Acadia Parish we follow no zones. Kids go where they or their parents choose to send them for a variety of reasons from academic, to sports, to band. The difference is That you will say is out of Parish students. Well to answer that, Church Point has more out of Parish students than ND. And as far as a school choosing a student is not reality, an Acadia Parish public school stands as good a chance at choosing a student as ND does. Public school in Acadia is free at ND, $7 large. Again, lets try and keep the focus on football programs. Private programs have the ability to select whichever athletes they choose. The student doesn't have to go, but the reach is still there. This is something public programs don't have. I will take your word for Acadia Parish. I don't live there. But that circumstance is not the case statewide. Furthermore, I am sure ND offers needs-based financial aid or work study just as most private schools do.
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Post by iamray on Apr 23, 2019 11:32:29 GMT -6
This is true. However, public schools have cannot tell a student "no." They must accept whoever resides within their zone. Private programs have the advantage of choosing their players. With that in mind, public programs are more reliant on feeder schools whereas privates have the ability to go get who they want, when they want them. To my knowledge ND has never turned down a student. We have asked some to leave for things such as non-payment, substance abuse, failed grades, etc. parents choose schools, schools don’t choose students. You make it sound like there is some kind of lottery or draft picks. You obviously are misinformed Stop being so short-sided. You are only using Notre Dame for evidence. When you step back and examine it from a state-wide lens, you will see that private programs have the ability to select students from anywhere. This is an inherent advantage over public programs who are only allowed to take students from their attendance boundary. Fact: Private schools do not have attendance boundaries. Fact: Public schools have attendance boundaries. Fact: Private schools select their student-athletes from anywhere. Fact: Public schools must accept any student from their attendance zone. The ability to cherry-pick student athletes from anywhere is an inherent advantage over being forced to assemble a roster from within an attendance boundary. How can you not see this as an advantage?
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Post by iamray on Apr 23, 2019 11:35:07 GMT -6
This is true. However, public schools have cannot tell a student "no." They must accept whoever resides within their zone. Private programs have the advantage of choosing their players. With that in mind, public programs are more reliant on feeder schools whereas privates have the ability to go get who they want, when they want them. To my knowledge ND has never turned down a student. We have asked some to leave for things such as non-payment, substance abuse, failed grades, etc. parents choose schools, schools don’t choose students. You make it sound like there is some kind of lottery or draft picks. You obviously are misinformed To your knowledge, how many of those kids were athletes?
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Post by iamray on Apr 23, 2019 11:36:38 GMT -6
Well, IAMRAY, I agree on your two points. 1. Private schools like Evangel can "get" their students from anywhere, ie Someone could be on vacation in California and tell a parent about how "great" our school is, and like magic the student shows up in West Shreveport. 2. As far as enrollment goes, yes you are correct, Public schools by law must take "everybody". In a broad sense bad students do get weeded (no pun) out in the Public School. At Evangel bad students can be shown the door and removed quickly. I have always said the two, Private and Public have nothing in common, and Private schools should have their own league. Good response. And, I appreciate the decorum. I do wish we could go back to how it was when I was in high school (2002-2006) where JC played up in 4A and Evangel played up in 5A. I feel that is the most practical solution. The split has been a total failure in my opinion.
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Post by indy on Apr 23, 2019 11:44:29 GMT -6
In Acadia Parish we follow no zones. Kids go where they or their parents choose to send them for a variety of reasons from academic, to sports, to band. The difference is That you will say is out of Parish students. Well to answer that, Church Point has more out of Parish students than ND. And as far as a school choosing a student is not reality, an Acadia Parish public school stands as good a chance at choosing a student as ND does. Public school in Acadia is free at ND, $7 large. Again, lets try and keep the focus on football programs. Private programs have the ability to select whichever athletes they choose. The student doesn't have to go, but the reach is still there. This is something public programs don't have. I will take your word for Acadia Parish. I don't live there. But that circumstance is not the case statewide. Furthermore, I am sure ND offers needs-based financial aid or work study just as most private schools do. The problem is “private” schools get lumped together and so do “public” schools. The reality is there are vast differences in both across the state. Acadia Parish school Principals have the right to accept or deny enrollment at their discretion. This is what you and others repeatedly say Private schools can do. School Boards are continually having relaxed rules regarding zones across the state now. If Coach Cook took his staff and went to Crowley High in a few years he could build a dynasty. He could get the best of the best in the Parish, and work with the Principal to keep the enrollment in 3A. Whereas at ND he has to take who can afford the tuition. Where does the advantage lie?
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Post by iamray on Apr 23, 2019 12:38:18 GMT -6
Again, lets try and keep the focus on football programs. Private programs have the ability to select whichever athletes they choose. The student doesn't have to go, but the reach is still there. This is something public programs don't have. I will take your word for Acadia Parish. I don't live there. But that circumstance is not the case statewide. Furthermore, I am sure ND offers needs-based financial aid or work study just as most private schools do. The problem is “private” schools get lumped together and so do “public” schools. The reality is there are vast differences in both across the state. Acadia Parish school Principals have the right to accept or deny enrollment at their discretion. This is what you and others repeatedly say Private schools can do. School Boards are continually having relaxed rules regarding zones across the state now. If Coach Cook took his staff and went to Crowley High in a few years he could build a dynasty. He could get the best of the best in the Parish, and work with the Principal to keep the enrollment in 3A. Whereas at ND he has to take who can afford the tuition. Where does the advantage lie? The advantage lies in the fact that private schools can select all of their students from anywhere at anytime. If you want to stick to your guns with ND, that's fine but you are being short sided. The tuition argument just doesn't fly with me. That is an excuse. Fact is, most private schools offer need-based financial aid and work study to students to alleviate this issue. Catholic High in Baton Rouge has over 130 different scholarships they offer their students. Notre Dame offers financial aid using the FACTS system. This eliminates the burden of tuition and furthers the argument that private schools can go and get any student athlete they wish. Again, how is this not an advantage?
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Post by indy on Apr 23, 2019 12:44:56 GMT -6
The problem is “private” schools get lumped together and so do “public” schools. The reality is there are vast differences in both across the state. Acadia Parish school Principals have the right to accept or deny enrollment at their discretion. This is what you and others repeatedly say Private schools can do. School Boards are continually having relaxed rules regarding zones across the state now. If Coach Cook took his staff and went to Crowley High in a few years he could build a dynasty. He could get the best of the best in the Parish, and work with the Principal to keep the enrollment in 3A. Whereas at ND he has to take who can afford the tuition. Where does the advantage lie? The advantage lies in the fact that private schools can select all of their students from anywhere at anytime. If you want to stick to your guns with ND, that's fine but you are being short sided. The tuition argument just doesn't fly with me. That is an excuse. Fact is, most private schools offer need-based financial aid and work study to students to alleviate this issue. Catholic High in Baton Rouge has over 130 different scholarships they offer their students. Notre Dame offers financial aid using the FACTS system. This eliminates the burden of tuition and furthers the argument that private schools can go and get any student athlete they wish. Again, how is this not an advantage? Again, ND has never selected a student. That concept is some kind of illusion you and a few others have. If a family applies for aid, and receives it, they still have to pay roughly 75% of the tuition, or they can “be selected” by a public school and go with 100% of their tuition paid.
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Post by iamray on Apr 23, 2019 12:50:44 GMT -6
The advantage lies in the fact that private schools can select all of their students from anywhere at anytime. If you want to stick to your guns with ND, that's fine but you are being short sided. The tuition argument just doesn't fly with me. That is an excuse. Fact is, most private schools offer need-based financial aid and work study to students to alleviate this issue. Catholic High in Baton Rouge has over 130 different scholarships they offer their students. Notre Dame offers financial aid using the FACTS system. This eliminates the burden of tuition and furthers the argument that private schools can go and get any student athlete they wish. Again, how is this not an advantage? Again, ND has never selected a student. That concept is some kind of illusion you and a few others have. If a family applies for aid, and receives it, they still have to pay roughly 75% of the tuition, or they can “be selected” by a public school and go with 100% of their tuition paid. Do potential students have to apply to Notre Dame? Yes or no? We both know what the answer is and we both know that Notre Dame selects the students they want.
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Post by indy on Apr 23, 2019 12:54:56 GMT -6
Again, ND has never selected a student. That concept is some kind of illusion you and a few others have. If a family applies for aid, and receives it, they still have to pay roughly 75% of the tuition, or they can “be selected” by a public school and go with 100% of their tuition paid. Do potential students have to apply to Notre Dame? Yes or no? We both know what the answer is and we both know that Notre Dame selects the students they want. We have registration. So does the Acadia Parish school board.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Apr 23, 2019 12:57:43 GMT -6
The problem is “private” schools get lumped together and so do “public” schools. The reality is there are vast differences in both across the state. Acadia Parish school Principals have the right to accept or deny enrollment at their discretion. This is what you and others repeatedly say Private schools can do. School Boards are continually having relaxed rules regarding zones across the state now. If Coach Cook took his staff and went to Crowley High in a few years he could build a dynasty. He could get the best of the best in the Parish, and work with the Principal to keep the enrollment in 3A. Whereas at ND he has to take who can afford the tuition. Where does the advantage lie? The advantage lies in the fact that private schools can select all of their students from anywhere at anytime. If you want to stick to your guns with ND, that's fine but you are being short sided. The tuition argument just doesn't fly with me. That is an excuse. Fact is, most private schools offer need-based financial aid and work study to students to alleviate this issue. Catholic High in Baton Rouge has over 130 different scholarships they offer their students. Notre Dame offers financial aid using the FACTS system. This eliminates the burden of tuition and furthers the argument that private schools can go and get any student athlete they wish. Again, how is this not an advantage? You keep saying that private schools get to select their students from anywhere. You do realize that they don’t, as you said “cherry pick”, all the kids they want. Those kids, and their parents, have to WANT to come to your school. Which is why I said earlier, private schools must advertise and promote their schools to have ANY enrollment. If they don’t, they wouldn’t have a school. And you’ve also mentioned the 130 scholarships or whatever they are, at Catholic-BR. Not every private school has those programs. And some that do don’t have anywhere near 130 of them. I do see some legitimate points you’ve made regarding the privates ability to not accept certain students. That CAN be an advantage in keeping enrollment down for classification. BUT, there are many cases of really good athletes not being accepted due to grades, behavior, etc. So it kind of works both ways. And not all kids that are accepted are athletes either.
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Post by oldsouth on Apr 23, 2019 13:01:43 GMT -6
The problem is “private” schools get lumped together and so do “public” schools. The reality is there are vast differences in both across the state. Acadia Parish school Principals have the right to accept or deny enrollment at their discretion. This is what you and others repeatedly say Private schools can do. School Boards are continually having relaxed rules regarding zones across the state now. If Coach Cook took his staff and went to Crowley High in a few years he could build a dynasty. He could get the best of the best in the Parish, and work with the Principal to keep the enrollment in 3A. Whereas at ND he has to take who can afford the tuition. Where does the advantage lie? The advantage lies in the fact that private schools can select all of their students from anywhere at anytime. If you want to stick to your guns with ND, that's fine but you are being short sided. The tuition argument just doesn't fly with me. That is an excuse. Fact is, most private schools offer need-based financial aid and work study to students to alleviate this issue. Catholic High in Baton Rouge has over 130 different scholarships they offer their students. Notre Dame offers financial aid using the FACTS system. This eliminates the burden of tuition and furthers the argument that private schools can go and get any student athlete they wish. Again, how is this not an advantage? First, FACTS doesn’t guarantee a significant amount of aid at all and it’s never more than 50% which usually leaves 4-5,000 in tuition left to pay. Second, how many kids do you think are getting athletic scholarships at these schools? It’s not like the privates are rolling in money and hand it out like candy. 99% of private school athletes don’t get any kind of financial help because they’re good at sports. The evangels and Curtises give a few more scholarships than most but they’re the exception by far. Even these 130 Catholic high scholarships aren’t anywhere near full rides. What would be the incentive for the schools to do that? Even a superstar Qb might get another 1,000 tickets sold in the course of a season. So he makes the school what, extra $6K that year? Why would they give him $10K off of tuition to make $6K?
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Post by oldsouth on Apr 23, 2019 13:05:20 GMT -6
Again, ND has never selected a student. That concept is some kind of illusion you and a few others have. If a family applies for aid, and receives it, they still have to pay roughly 75% of the tuition, or they can “be selected” by a public school and go with 100% of their tuition paid. Do potential students have to apply to Notre Dame? Yes or no? We both know what the answer is and we both know that Notre Dame selects the students they want. You make it sound like they have to list their 40 time on the application lol. The administration doesn’t know who the hell these kids are when they apply. Also, every private I know of is begging to get ANY students they can. The idea that they would say no to a kid because he isn’t good at sports is ludicrous.
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Post by indy on Apr 23, 2019 13:19:25 GMT -6
Again, ND has never selected a student. That concept is some kind of illusion you and a few others have. If a family applies for aid, and receives it, they still have to pay roughly 75% of the tuition, or they can “be selected” by a public school and go with 100% of their tuition paid. Do potential students have to apply to Notre Dame? Yes or no? We both know what the answer is and we both know that Notre Dame selects the students they want. Ok. Let’s say we select students. So we have selected 99.99% of those who have registered over the last 52 years. Is that better?
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Post by wildcat on Apr 23, 2019 14:48:35 GMT -6
Here is my view on it,
Lets look at Dunham (just selecting a smaller random private school in BR), they have no attendance zone. Any child within the BR area could enroll at Dunham. Sure they would have pony up the money (or be on scholarship), but there are 225,000+ people in BR. Now lets look at a school like Lakeview in Campti, LA who has a population of 1,050.
Other schools to look at...
John Curtis - 500,000 (just NO population) Evangel and Calvary - 374,000 (Caddo/Bossier Parish pop.) Menard or any other Alexandria School (open enrollment) - 131,000
I just dont see why a school with such large options to draw from should be playing a school with some few to choose from. I dont care about recruiting.
To me this is where the difference lies. With that said I dont think the split has accomplished what it was intended to. I liked the rural/metro plan from a few years ago and thought it leveled the playing field. While the LHSAA will never go back together I fear it is headed for a total split.
I just wish we all could stop focusing on the flaws and failures and try to find a solution to the problem.
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Post by iamray on Apr 23, 2019 15:28:20 GMT -6
The advantage lies in the fact that private schools can select all of their students from anywhere at anytime. If you want to stick to your guns with ND, that's fine but you are being short sided. The tuition argument just doesn't fly with me. That is an excuse. Fact is, most private schools offer need-based financial aid and work study to students to alleviate this issue. Catholic High in Baton Rouge has over 130 different scholarships they offer their students. Notre Dame offers financial aid using the FACTS system. This eliminates the burden of tuition and furthers the argument that private schools can go and get any student athlete they wish. Again, how is this not an advantage? You keep saying that private schools get to select their students from anywhere. You do realize that they don’t, as you said “cherry pick”, all the kids they want. Those kids, and their parents, have to WANT to come to your school. Which is why I said earlier, private schools must advertise and promote their schools to have ANY enrollment. If they don’t, they wouldn’t have a school. And you’ve also mentioned the 130 scholarships or whatever they are, at Catholic-BR. Not every private school has those programs. And some that do don’t have anywhere near 130 of them. I do see some legitimate points you’ve made regarding the privates ability to not accept certain students. That CAN be an advantage in keeping enrollment down for classification. BUT, there are many cases of really good athletes not being accepted due to grades, behavior, etc. So it kind of works both ways. And not all kids that are accepted are athletes either. "You keep saying that private schools get to select their students from anywhere. You do realize that they don’t, as you said “cherry pick”, all the kids they want. Those kids, and their parents, have to WANT to come to your school. Which is why I said earlier, private schools must advertise and promote their schools to have ANY enrollment. If they don’t, they wouldn’t have a school." Yes, I do understand this. I have even said as much. However, the schools still maintain the ability to select any student who applies as well as rejecting any student who may apply. A public school cannot do this. This is an advantage for private schools. "And you’ve also mentioned the 130 scholarships or whatever they are, at Catholic-BR. Not every private school has those programs. And some that do don’t have anywhere near 130 of them." You're absolutely right. JC and Catholic are a few of the outliers here. But, the fact remains that any private school can still offer financial aid to those who need it. By no means am I saying this to disparage private schools. It is a way for them to help students pay for an education they might not otherwise be able to do so. That's great. It is also a way to defray the cost of tuition for student athletes who transfer from public schools. This happens and it is perfectly legal for a private school to do so. It isn't wrong, but it is advantageous.
Thank you for the response. I appreciate your decorum.
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Post by iamray on Apr 23, 2019 15:34:02 GMT -6
The advantage lies in the fact that private schools can select all of their students from anywhere at anytime. If you want to stick to your guns with ND, that's fine but you are being short sided. The tuition argument just doesn't fly with me. That is an excuse. Fact is, most private schools offer need-based financial aid and work study to students to alleviate this issue. Catholic High in Baton Rouge has over 130 different scholarships they offer their students. Notre Dame offers financial aid using the FACTS system. This eliminates the burden of tuition and furthers the argument that private schools can go and get any student athlete they wish. Again, how is this not an advantage? First, FACTS doesn’t guarantee a significant amount of aid at all and it’s never more than 50% which usually leaves 4-5,000 in tuition left to pay. Second, how many kids do you think are getting athletic scholarships at these schools? It’s not like the privates are rolling in money and hand it out like candy. 99% of private school athletes don’t get any kind of financial help because they’re good at sports. The evangels and Curtises give a few more scholarships than most but they’re the exception by far. Even these 130 Catholic high scholarships aren’t anywhere near full rides. What would be the incentive for the schools to do that? Even a superstar Qb might get another 1,000 tickets sold in the course of a season. So he makes the school what, extra $6K that year? Why would they give him $10K off of tuition to make $6K? "First, FACTS doesn’t guarantee a significant amount of aid at all and it’s never more than 50% which usually leaves 4-5,000 in tuition left to pay." I definitely consider 50% a significant amount. You and I will disagree here. "Second, how many kids do you think are getting athletic scholarships at these schools?"None. I don't know of any private school in our state who offers athletic scholarships. I do know that plenty of private schools offer multiple scholarships as well as work study programs, though. Champions of the private school usually trot out tuition costs without also mentioning that tuition can be covered by applying for financial aid or working in a work study program. "What would be the incentive for the schools to do that?"To win football games, of course. The ability to select, as well as reject students allows private schools the ability to limit enrollment for classification purposes. Public schools cannot do this. They must play in whichever classification their attendance affords them.
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Post by iamray on Apr 23, 2019 15:39:30 GMT -6
Do potential students have to apply to Notre Dame? Yes or no? We both know what the answer is and we both know that Notre Dame selects the students they want. Ok. Let’s say we select students. So we have selected 99.99% of those who have registered over the last 52 years. Is that better? Indy, to say that Notre Dame has NEVER selected a student is just ludicrous. "The schools of the Diocese of Lafayette, Louisiana, admit students of any race, color, national or ethnic origin to all the rights, privileges, programs and activities generally accorded or made available to students at its schools. They do not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national or ethnic origin in administration of their educational policies, admissions policies, scholarship and loan programs, and athletic and other school-administered programs."You have to apply. Admit = select. ND does it. It is perfectly legal. I'm not saying it is wrong by any means. But it is clearly an advantage over public schools. Privates can limit their enrollment for classification purposes. How is this not an athletic advantage?
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Post by iamray on Apr 23, 2019 15:44:34 GMT -6
Here is my view on it, Lets look at Dunham (just selecting a smaller random private school in BR), they have no attendance zone. Any child within the BR area could enroll at Dunham. Sure they would have pony up the money (or be on scholarship), but there are 225,000+ people in BR. Now lets look at a school like Lakeview in Campti, LA who has a population of 1,050. Other schools to look at... John Curtis - 500,000 (just NO population) Evangel and Calvary - 374,000 (Caddo/Bossier Parish pop.) Menard or any other Alexandria School (open enrollment) - 131,000 I just dont see why a school with such large options to draw from should be playing a school with some few to choose from. I dont care about recruiting. To me this is where the difference lies. With that said I dont think the split has accomplished what it was intended to. I liked the rural/metro plan from a few years ago and thought it leveled the playing field. While the LHSAA will never go back together I fear it is headed for a total split. I just wish we all could stop focusing on the flaws and failures and try to find a solution to the problem. I appreciate your input. I share the same sentiment. I'd prefer that it go back to playing up. When I was in high school (02-06) John Curtis was in 4A and Evangel was in 5A. And I'm a Neville alum. We lost to JC three straight years in the playoffs. But we knew we were playing the best. I think the split has watered down the allure of the title. I don't like it at all.
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Post by iamray on Apr 23, 2019 15:48:21 GMT -6
Do potential students have to apply to Notre Dame? Yes or no? We both know what the answer is and we both know that Notre Dame selects the students they want. You make it sound like they have to list their 40 time on the application lol. The administration doesn’t know who the hell these kids are when they apply. Also, every private I know of is begging to get ANY students they can. The idea that they would say no to a kid because he isn’t good at sports is ludicrous. Well, we walk in different circles. Because private schools have the ability to select or reject any student, they have the ability to alter their enrollment for classification purposes. This is an incredible advantage over public schools who have no control over their student body. "Also, every private I know of is begging to get ANY students they can." Yea, and I bet this would include pulling kids from public schools.
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