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Post by iamray on May 9, 2019 17:27:36 GMT -6
Ray how do you explain the stud qb from Carroll playing 2011 football season for Carroll and 2012 football season for Neville Ray also how do you explain Hootie Jones zoned for Ouachita Parish playing football for Neville? Ray also ho do you explain Cam Robinson played frosh and soph year for Ouachita Parish then transfers to West Monroe? West Monroe has as many if not more skeletons in their closet than Evangel so stop scap goating them "west monroe holdback rule" "Bradie James" i've got a good friend who's a neville graduate who knows of several kids who have played football for Neville as a senior and gone home to their public school for basketball and gradation so you can stop this act because that's all it is it's an ACT i'm sure you'll deny the allegations of the "fire house gang" NEVILLE and West Monroe don't follow zones same as Evangel and John Curtis Ok, so now you admit John Curtis and Evangel don't have attendance zones. I'll take your complete deflection from my question as an admission of fault. You referenced a rule which states the private schools were assigned by the LHSAA a zone common to the closest public school. The closest public school to OCS is Sterlington. So, I ask again, why does OCS have buses running to West Monroe and Bastrop? Also, I stated from the beginning that the larger public schools have players from outside of their zones. The difference is that it is against the rules for the public schools to do so. I have already stated this. The rest of your post is puffery. Stick to the point. Private schools have had inherent advantages over public schools. You say private schools were assigned zones by the LHSAA common to the closest public school, so show me the rule. Either OCS is breaking this rule or you are making it up.
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Post by iamray on May 9, 2019 17:29:16 GMT -6
"Private schools have/had/has the same attendance zone as the closest public school by rule. STM/Comeaux, Teurlings/Northside ect. Your premise is/was/remains flowed" - What rule are your referring to? If this is the case then tell me why OCS has buses running through West Monroe and Bastrop when the closest public school is Sterlington. Don't believe me? Check for yourself - www.ocs.org/faq - My premise is solid." This has nothing to do with athletics except that the LHSAA adopted them to setup an attendance rule."- It had EVERYTHING to with athletics. I really don't see any logical way to argue otherwise."Except for possibly St. Paul's in Covington, no school in the state private or public has students from outside or the parish or the adjacent parish." - How would you know that? The answer is that you wouldn't. It's an assumption to suit your argument. And why should schools be allowed to have kids from adjacent parishes? Surely that isn't fair. JC has transportation routes reaching from Jefferson to Orleans Parish. This is the problem.
"Yes, but private schools are restricted to the students they can take." - Any private schools CAN SELECT or DENY any student they want. How is that not an advantage over a public school who must accept any student within the attendance boundary?"Despite the false narrative that there are "scholarships" with only a possible exception of 1 maybe two private schools, require all students to pay for attendance, anywhere from $7k to $12K per year per student, depending on the school."- False narrative? Definitely not. - catholichigh.org/giving/scholarship-opportunities/ - Catholic has over 130 scholarships. - www.johncurtis.com/files/7214/8408/0186/Scholarships__Financial_Aid.pdf - John Curtis has an "undetermined" number of scholarships available, plus work study. It is absolutely the TRUTH that private schools with some of the BEST football programs offer scholarships to defray tuition. To say otherwise is an outright lie."The cherry picking is not done by the school but by the parent who looks at the poor quality of education offered by the public system and then cherry picks the best possible school for their kids, with a tuition they can afford that has a location that is appropriate and accessable."Wow, where to start. First, privates SELECT their student body. This is cherry picking. They can reject any student who applies. It is their right as a private school. Have you ever thought that maybe the "poor" quality of education offered by public schools is relative to the fact that UNLIKE PRIVATE schools, public schools must ACCEPT ALL STUDENTS. Privates choose every single student in their school; no student was forced into their school. Cherry picking. "Your premise is borne out of ignorance of who the people are that send their kids to private schools."- No, not at all. I don't have to know "who the people are" who send their kids to private schools to know that private schools have had inherent advantages over public schools. " They are your neighbors, major tax payers and people that are willing to sacrifice to give their kids the best possible education they can give them."- So you are saying that public schools parents aren't your "neighbors", that they don't pay "major" taxes (please explain what a "major" tax is), and that they don't sacrifice for their kids??? How ignorant. This isn't remotely close to the truth. Public school parents pay just the same taxes as private schools and those same taxes make their way into private schools just as they do with public schools." They are also usually the more faithful members of their church to support both the church and the church school." - How in the world can you say private school parents are "more faithful to their church" over public school parents? That's short-sided, misinformed and delusional. Besides, what in the world does this have to do with ANYTHING related to the FACT that private schools have had an inherent advantage over public schools because they can select their students and they have no attendance boundaries? The attendance zone rule you are referencing is either farcical or nonexistent as I have linked OCS' faq page which clearly shows three bus routes: Monroe, West Monroe and Bastrop. The closest public school to OCS is Sterlington. What gives?? the problem isn't Curtis having bus routes to all over (and I hope they catch a flat in my neck of the woods). The problem is before the split, their competition couldn't do the same thing. There wouldn't be this thread if all 400ish LHSAA schools could play by the same rules and Curtis could win fair and square. And the shame is, J.T. Curtis could have done it fair and square. It wouldn't be 27 titles, but even if he was at a JPPS, he'd probably still have a few state titles and be a legendary coach at a place like Bonnabel or Riverdale. If you're a good coach, talent will come to you if you prove yourself. Yes, you are exactly right. This is what I have been saying. I know that some public schools have had players from out of their zone. The only difference (and it is SIGNIFICANT) is that a private school can do so freely. It is against the rule for a public school to do so.
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Post by Sixpack on May 9, 2019 18:15:30 GMT -6
The LHSAA transfer and sit out rule was the original problem.
The rule is exactly the same for publics as it is for privates. The LHSAA allowed both public school athletes and private school athletes to transfer from the zone that corresponded with their home address into another school zone and play after sitting out a year.
The problem with that was that private schools could utilize the sit out rule but public school's could not. The reason publics could not utilize the sit out rule is because they could only attend the school in their mandated zone. That made transfers into another zone while residing in their own zone impossible. The LHSAA had no say in it. Federal mandates and local school board mandates did not allow public school students to live outside their mandated zones so the sit out rule was moot for public school athletes from the get go.
Private school students could live anywhere, go to a private school anywhere, and play after sitting out a year. That was an unfair advantage. So private schools were either building powerhouse programs with the help of the sit out rule or public schools sure as heck thought they were. That was the original problem and what led to all the trouble.
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Post by kennypowers on May 9, 2019 18:19:10 GMT -6
Private schools do have attendance zones... if they don’t live in the zone they sit out a year.
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Post by Sixpack on May 9, 2019 18:47:01 GMT -6
Private schools do have attendance zones... if they don’t live in the zone they sit out a year. That's right. That's what I just said.
But public school athletes could not utilize the sit out rule because they could not attend a school outside the school zone that corresponded with their home address PERIOD.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on May 9, 2019 18:51:21 GMT -6
The LHSAA transfer and sit out rule was the original problem.
The rule is exactly the same for publics as it is for privates. The LHSAA allowed both public school athletes and private school athletes to transfer from the zone that corresponded with their home address into another school zone and play after sitting out a year.
The problem with that was that private schools could utilize the sit out rule but public school's could not. The reason publics could not utilize the sit out rule is because they could only attend the school in their mandated zone. That made transfers into another zone while residing in their own zone impossible. The LHSAA had no say in it. Federal mandates and local school board mandates did not allow public school students to live outside their mandated zones so the sit out rule was moot for public school athletes from the get go.
Private school students could live anywhere, go to a private school anywhere, and play after sitting out a year. That was an unfair advantage. So private schools were either building powerhouse programs with the help of the sit out rule or public schools sure as heck thought they were. That was the original problem and what led to all the trouble. Don’t know if it’s state-wide, but in Lafayette Parish, there are different academic programs at the different public high schools. And students can go to out of zone schools to be in those programs. If I’m not mistaken, Acadiana has the Business program, while Lafayette High has Computer Sciemce. There’s a reason Acadiana is good and Lafayette High is known as “Harvard High” and struggles. Disclaimer* - all of that information was relayed to me. My kids go to private school so I’m not stating that as fact. It’s just what I was told. Maybe someone can correct it if that’s not the case.
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Post by kennypowers on May 9, 2019 18:59:14 GMT -6
Private schools do have attendance zones... if they don’t live in the zone they sit out a year. That's right. That's what I just said.
But public school athletes could not utilize the sit out rule because they could not attend a school outside the school zone that corresponded with their home address PERIOD. We just happened to respond to others at the same time.
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Post by Sixpack on May 9, 2019 19:07:40 GMT -6
I don't have a clue about how things work now. Everything I have posted relates to how things were way back when the problem first originated. When it first became obvious to public high school football coaches that they were not likely to ever win a state championship as long as they played in the same classification as John Curtis or Evangel. That is what kick started the road to the split.
Things are so complicated now it's hard to say what is going on.
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Post by indy on May 9, 2019 19:13:14 GMT -6
facts are facts
Division II is unfair classifications were created to create fair and equitable competition 3a & 4a are being forced to play together
Why in the world should "selects" drop to three and make this more widespread?
Why drop "non selects" to four?
don't need to make this more unfair for more kids!
if it stays how it stays we can all watch Many have more kids sign division I football scholarships than any Catholic school and still not win in the watered down split era
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Post by indy on May 9, 2019 19:20:09 GMT -6
let's make a new rule if you can freely get 100% of your kids in your attendance zone let's call that an advantage
of course you won't because it doesn't fit your narrative
he's a story to help explain my point let's go to my camp that i use my shoprite money to pay for in toledo bend we're gonna have a fishing competition
i'm gonna fish the entire lake but have to throw back 8/10 fish i catch
you're gonna fish 50% of the lake "ironic i know because it's Sabine Parish and Many gets every football player in the parish" you get to keep every fish you catch
i'm willing to bet you'll end up with more fish than me and because of that a greater opportunity to have bigger more athletic fish than i have
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Post by brprepfan on May 9, 2019 19:25:07 GMT -6
Many and Notre Dame conversations never end with Indy. He does not like Lady Booker, from Many.
Notre Dame follows all rules.
As an outsider I like watching both teams play football.
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Post by indy on May 9, 2019 19:34:21 GMT -6
Many and Notre Dame conversations never end with Indy. He does not like Lady Booker, from Many. Notre Dame follows all rules. As an outsider I like watching both teams play football. *Norma Booker
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Post by brprepfan on May 9, 2019 19:39:05 GMT -6
now Indy, that was very funny. I laughed out loud.
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Post by indy on May 10, 2019 4:44:24 GMT -6
Ray how do you explain the stud qb from Carroll playing 2011 football season for Carroll and 2012 football season for Neville Ray also how do you explain Hootie Jones zoned for Ouachita Parish playing football for Neville? Ray also ho do you explain Cam Robinson played frosh and soph year for Ouachita Parish then transfers to West Monroe? West Monroe has as many if not more skeletons in their closet than Evangel so stop scap goating them "west monroe holdback rule" "Bradie James" i've got a good friend who's a neville graduate who knows of several kids who have played football for Neville as a senior and gone home to their public school for basketball and gradation so you can stop this act because that's all it is it's an ACT i'm sure you'll deny the allegations of the "fire house gang" NEVILLE and West Monroe don't follow zones same as Evangel and John Curtis Ok, so now you admit John Curtis and Evangel don't have attendance zones. I'll take your complete deflection from my question as an admission of fault. You referenced a rule which states the private schools were assigned by the LHSAA a zone common to the closest public school. The closest public school to OCS is Sterlington. So, I ask again, why does OCS have buses running to West Monroe and Bastrop? Also, I stated from the beginning that the larger public schools have players from outside of their zones. The difference is that it is against the rules for the public schools to do so. I have already stated this. The rest of your post is puffery. Stick to the point. Private schools have had inherent advantages over public schools. You say private schools were assigned zones by the LHSAA common to the closest public school, so show me the rule. Either OCS is breaking this rule or you are making it up. JC and E had zones but apparently didn’t follow them. All private schools don’t have an advantage, you focus only on a few. The average rural Catholic Schools can’t afford to bus students. To reach the same population as JC and E it would take a fleet. As far as zone rule you would have to be an not to know about it.
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Post by wshs on May 10, 2019 8:44:57 GMT -6
Many and Notre Dame conversations never end with Indy. He does not like Lady Booker, from Many. Notre Dame follows all rules. As an outsider I like watching both teams play football. *Norma Booker Many and Winnfield's principals catch most of the flack for the split and I don't understand that. I commend both of them for attempting to level the playing field. Its obvious from what I have read on here that no one really disagrees that John Curtis/ Evangel/ West Monroe/ Neville etc.... have been stacking their teams and skirting the rules. FYI-- the push for something to be done was happening well before Winnfield played Curtis in the dome in 09. The result of that season actually hampered the proposed need for the split because Winnfield had played and beaten three private schools in the playoffs before making it to the finals. The result of that game had nothing to do with the push for the split. Just so happens it finally passed after that. And when it passed there were some really small private school principals that voted for it as well.
I'm not saying the split is perfect, and I'm all for trying to figure something out to make it great for everyone. Just wished everyone could look at both sides and agree that the real problem isn't these small public schools wanting "everyone to get a trophy". The problem is schools like John Curtis/ West Monroe etc... wanting to win at all cost whether it means bending / breaking the rules or not.
I agree it's not fair as it stands for the select schools to be lumped together the way they are. I don't like the current playoff system. The game times for the championships are ridiculous. I understand the frustration. But it sure doesn't need to go back where it was.
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Post by indy on May 10, 2019 10:10:32 GMT -6
Many and Winnfield's principals catch most of the flack for the split and I don't understand that. I commend both of them for attempting to level the playing field. Its obvious from what I have read on here that no one really disagrees that John Curtis/ Evangel/ West Monroe/ Neville etc.... have been stacking their teams and skirting the rules. FYI-- the push for something to be done was happening well before Winnfield played Curtis in the dome in 09. The result of that season actually hampered the proposed need for the split because Winnfield had played and beaten three private schools in the playoffs before making it to the finals. The result of that game had nothing to do with the push for the split. Just so happens it finally passed after that. And when it passed there were some really small private school principals that voted for it as well.
I'm not saying the split is perfect, and I'm all for trying to figure something out to make it great for everyone. Just wished everyone could look at both sides and agree that the real problem isn't these small public schools wanting "everyone to get a trophy". The problem is schools like John Curtis/ West Monroe etc... wanting to win at all cost whether it means bending / breaking the rules or not.
I agree it's not fair as it stands for the select schools to be lumped together the way they are. I don't like the current playoff system. The game times for the championships are ridiculous. I understand the frustration. But it sure doesn't need to go back where it was.
I read the email chain ahead of the split vote authored by those two. They are corrupt, vindictive, shallow human beings.
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Post by wshs on May 10, 2019 10:28:25 GMT -6
LOL, yes I read them too. Not how I interpreted them but whatever.
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Post by indy on May 10, 2019 12:13:17 GMT -6
LOL, yes I read them too. Not how I interpreted them but whatever. will blur your vision!
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on May 10, 2019 13:59:31 GMT -6
Many and Winnfield's principals catch most of the flack for the split and I don't understand that. I commend both of them for attempting to level the playing field. Its obvious from what I have read on here that no one really disagrees that John Curtis/ Evangel/ West Monroe/ Neville etc.... have been stacking their teams and skirting the rules. FYI-- the push for something to be done was happening well before Winnfield played Curtis in the dome in 09. The result of that season actually hampered the proposed need for the split because Winnfield had played and beaten three private schools in the playoffs before making it to the finals. The result of that game had nothing to do with the push for the split. Just so happens it finally passed after that. And when it passed there were some really small private school principals that voted for it as well.
I'm not saying the split is perfect, and I'm all for trying to figure something out to make it great for everyone. Just wished everyone could look at both sides and agree that the real problem isn't these small public schools wanting "everyone to get a trophy". The problem is schools like John Curtis/ West Monroe etc... wanting to win at all cost whether it means bending / breaking the rules or not.
I agree it's not fair as it stands for the select schools to be lumped together the way they are. I don't like the current playoff system. The game times for the championships are ridiculous. I understand the frustration. But it sure doesn't need to go back where it was.
The split should have never been between the public "non-select" and private "select" schools. It should have been something like the Indiana Plan to keep everyone together or if the split had to happen the rural/metro plan. I know the rural/metro plan wasn't available to vote on then, but if the Principals (all of them) could have come together and made a plan maybe the "hurt feelings" or lost trust of the LHSAA. I do know (from Many) and have talked to many people that still live there (that love the split) that Booker was a driving force behind the split.
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Post by indy on May 10, 2019 16:08:57 GMT -6
Ray why is it ok for lafayette parish to bus out of zone kids to public high schools but you don't want ouachita christian busing out of zone kids to their school?
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Post by wshs on May 10, 2019 19:54:42 GMT -6
Many and Winnfield's principals catch most of the flack for the split and I don't understand that. I commend both of them for attempting to level the playing field. Its obvious from what I have read on here that no one really disagrees that John Curtis/ Evangel/ West Monroe/ Neville etc.... have been stacking their teams and skirting the rules. FYI-- the push for something to be done was happening well before Winnfield played Curtis in the dome in 09. The result of that season actually hampered the proposed need for the split becausek Winnfield had played and beaten three private schools in the playoffs before making it to the finals. The result of that game had nothing to do with the push for the split. Just so happens it finally passed after that. And when it passed there were some really small private school principals that voted for it as well.
I'm not saying the split is perfect, and I'm all for trying to figure something out to make it great for everyone. Just wished everyone could look at both sides and agree that the real problem isn't these small public schools wanting "everyone to get a trophy". The problem is schools like John Curtis/ West Monroe etc... wanting to win at all cost whether it means bending / breaking the rules or not.
I agree it's not fair as it stands for the select schools to be lumped together the way they are. I don't like the current playoff system. The game times for the championships are ridiculous. I understand the frustration. But it sure doesn't need to go back where it was.
The split should have never been between the public "non-select" and private "select" schools. It should have been something like the Indiana Plan to keep everyone together or if the split had to happen the rural/metro plan. I know the rural/metro plan wasn't available to vote on then, but if the Principals (all of them) could have come together and made a plan maybe the "hurt feelings" or lost trust of the LHSAA. I do know (from Many) and have talked to many people that still live there (that love the split) that Booker was a driving force behind the split. What would have, could have, should have happened is irrelevant. The prop to split had been brought up and tabled a few times before it finally passed. Head of the LHSAA and all the big money in the large cities and the private schools wanted no part of it. They had a chance to compromise but wanted no part of it. Regardless of the fact that they knew what was going on in places like Evagel And Curtis they were completely content to leave it as is. The same ones crying now that it’s unfair to lump some of the larger private schools with smaller ones in the same division could care less that these small poor rural public schools got lumped into the same classification with teams that pulled their team from a population 1000 times bigger. Keep demonizing the public schools officials who finally decided to do something about it. Continue to ignore the fact that the majority voted for the split. Keep doing that and nothing will change. Continue to ignore what caused the push for the split in the first place. Only thing I’ve seem on here is “ well yes but west Monroe/ Nevill etccc... do it too””. At the end of the day two wrongs don’t make a right and these smaller schools who voted for the split outnumber you all.
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Post by indy on May 11, 2019 6:53:13 GMT -6
couple of things
mainly that the double standard is real
so it's ok to demonize John Curtis and Evangel but not ok to demonize Many and Winnfield principal
if one were to pick sides two schools broke rules and won games the other group conspired against all the students of "select schools"
it was so evil to prevent other schools from winning a championship but let's put in a policy were 3a & 4a are forced to play together thus doing the same thing also created byes in brackets and condensed brackets thus denying kids an opportunity to play again so if team not getting to advance in game past JC or E equals no game and yet ok to do this to all of the "select" schools
Second a decision was made to push evangel and john curtis down obviously a terrible decision but still an effort to slow those schools down amazing how so people on this board justify the split as an action taken to try to rectify a situation but fail to realize play in enrollment was the samething i feel both are wrong but yet again double standard
third the worst CEO in the history of the lhsaa kept hiding behind everyone else saying it's a principals organization and committees i've seen that twice on this tread now
lastly i can go all day pointing out of zone kids at public schools funny how a problem at "select" schools but fine when it benefits "non select" the rb who rushed for the most yards for Welsh this year lives in Jennings the qb for Amite lives in Hammond
i've heard from Notre Dame coaches who have taken the handbook test it's unreal how many exceptions exist for "non selects" to get out of zone kids the favorite being offering a class the inzone school doesn't Well last i checked the private school offers religion while the public school doesn't i know not every kid is hoping a zone for religion to be at the private but it's more than the kids who go to acadiana "for business academy"
Loreauville flat out took a kid who is zoned for New Iberia with no actual reason - this sure sounds like how people complain about the privates
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Post by wshs on May 11, 2019 9:35:19 GMT -6
Ridiculous. Little hypocritical don’t you think? Didn’t think it was evil when Curtis got pushed down to 2A pre split. Didn’t think it was evil to prevent all the public schools from having a shot at a championship. Didn’t matter to you because ND could increase their enrollment to get away fro them. Winnfield and Many and all these other public schools didn’t have that luxury. ND is just as bad as Curtis just to a smaller extent. You think the playoffs are watered down then by all means have ND play up into Div 1. But that isn’t going to happen because y’all want be able to compete. It wouldn’t be “fair”. But damn the split you say because it was fair before the split.
And I know more and more public schools are starting to skirt the rules. And the split is partly to blame, but it doesn’t make what they are doing right anymore than what the majority of private schools have been doing for years right. By all means report them. But you keep spitting out individual players going to certain public schools and dismiss the fact that some of these private schools entire rosters were built like this.
Now the split is here you and countless others want to whine and complain and blame Winnfield, Many etc... but by your own admission you knew what teas like Curtis and evangel were doing but didn’t care because it didn’t affect you. The time to come together and compromise was before the split but at the time the thought was it would never pass. Well, it passed.
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Post by indy on May 11, 2019 9:53:31 GMT -6
looks like i struck a nerve
take a step back and read what i posted again PUSHING CURTIS AND EVANGEL DOWN was wrong never said it wasn't never said i was ok with it when it happened only Many sits here and flaunts their situation entire parish to pick from qb from Florien hell they beat welsh when their best rb was playing for jennings
as far as we raised our enrollment to get away from those two yeah right like any private school can force kids to attend their school your side is the draw the line get the forced attendance
now as far as this just started with the out of zone kids NO CHANCE in 1999 Church Point won district in baseball with a pitcher zoned for Beau Chene
or something your familiar with Matt Jones from Welsh playing for jennings in mid 2000s
and take a breathe and re read your post you want this mindset by your own logic welsh should play up and give someone else a shot
i thought this was America and you do the best you can in your given circumstance like when a kid from OLI decides to go to welsh because the public schools changed a rule to make him ineligible at nd we just tried to make our kid who is 4 inches shorter and forty pounds lighter better welsh kid gonna play college football nd kid won't
so to recap private school is harder to get into therefore has to be allowed out of zone kids to maximize enrollment but can't guarantee enrollment public schools get a zone so are guaranteed students and y'all still take from outside the zone
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Post by iamray on May 11, 2019 10:22:40 GMT -6
Ray why is it ok for lafayette parish to bus out of zone kids to public high schools but you don't want ouachita christian busing out of zone kids to their school? I’d be outraged. Where I live (Monroe) this isn’t happening. Neville isn’t sending a bus across the river to get students. It’s against the rules. But apparently OCS can send buses to WM and Bastrop for students and it’s perfectly legal. What’s the difference you might ask? OCS is a private school who is allowed an unfathomable reach for students. Your whole gimmick is tired. I’ve asked you repeatedly to quote the rule you so carelessly like to throw out there. If private schools have an LHSAA assigned zone common to the closest public school (LIKE YOU SAY THEY DO) then how can OCS send buses all the way to WM and Bastrop when the closest public school is one mile down the road? Either link the rule or admit you made the whole thing up.
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Post by iamray on May 11, 2019 10:40:32 GMT -6
Ok, so now you admit John Curtis and Evangel don't have attendance zones. I'll take your complete deflection from my question as an admission of fault. You referenced a rule which states the private schools were assigned by the LHSAA a zone common to the closest public school. The closest public school to OCS is Sterlington. So, I ask again, why does OCS have buses running to West Monroe and Bastrop? Also, I stated from the beginning that the larger public schools have players from outside of their zones. The difference is that it is against the rules for the public schools to do so. I have already stated this. The rest of your post is puffery. Stick to the point. Private schools have had inherent advantages over public schools. You say private schools were assigned zones by the LHSAA common to the closest public school, so show me the rule. Either OCS is breaking this rule or you are making it up. JC and E had zones but apparently didn’t follow them. All private schools don’t have an advantage, you focus only on a few. The average rural Catholic Schools can’t afford to bus students. To reach the same population as JC and E it would take a fleet. As far as zone rule you would have to be an not to know about it. The whole problem started because private schools built powerhouse football programs using players from anywhere and everywhere. This is a fact. Willie Allen took two buses to get to John Curtis. How did Derrius Guice begin his freshman year at McKinley High and then magically end up at Catholic? What about Nick Brosette at University? We can do this all day. The difference is that public could not take transfers and privates could. This privilege was abused by private schools and to say otherwise is ignorant.
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Post by indy on May 11, 2019 10:53:41 GMT -6
What reach are you talking about? lafayette has more people than monroe so each and every public school in lafayette parish has more reach than ouachita christian
extra points for use of the ACT word
Again I ask public school can bus kids why can't private schools bus kids?
you easily found on public websites about John Curtis busing St. Louis runs a bus to and from jennings and welsh
if this was illegal why wouldn't this have been shut down
not every kid in one zone can attend "select schools" every kid in zone of "non select" can
both sides bus kids so what's the big deal?
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Post by indy on May 11, 2019 10:58:52 GMT -6
Name one, seriously name one transfer Neville couldn't take?
it's well documented than approximately 90% of transfers end up at public schools
they started tracking data since 2014 it's around 3% of transfers are public to private
Ray also please address hootie jones out of zone at Neville and Cam Robinson out of zone at West Monroe
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Post by indy on May 11, 2019 11:00:01 GMT -6
JC and E had zones but apparently didn’t follow them. All private schools don’t have an advantage, you focus only on a few. The average rural Catholic Schools can’t afford to bus students. To reach the same population as JC and E it would take a fleet. As far as zone rule you would have to be an not to know about it. The whole problem started because private schools built powerhouse football programs using players from anywhere and everywhere. This is a fact. Willie Allen took two buses to get to John Curtis. How did Derrius Guice begin his freshman year at McKinley High and then magically end up at Catholic? What about Nick Brosette at University? We can do this all day. The difference is that public could not take transfers and privates could. This privilege was abused by private schools and to say otherwise is ignorant. How many times did Neville’s zone boundaries get moved to allow stud players in? Where does Neville rank in all time championships? How does Neville’s success compare to surrounding 4A schools? Neville is a lot more select than a lot of so called “select” schools
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Post by kennypowers on May 11, 2019 11:44:04 GMT -6
Ray why is it ok for lafayette parish to bus out of zone kids to public high schools but you don't want ouachita christian busing out of zone kids to their school? I’d be outraged. Where I live (Monroe) this isn’t happening. Neville isn’t sending a bus across the river to get students. It’s against the rules. But apparently OCS can send buses to WM and Bastrop for students and it’s perfectly legal. What’s the difference you might ask? OCS is a private school who is allowed an unfathomable reach for students. Your whole gimmick is tired. I’ve asked you repeatedly to quote the rule you so carelessly like to throw out there. If private schools have an LHSAA assigned zone common to the closest public school (LIKE YOU SAY THEY DO) then how can OCS send buses all the way to WM and Bastrop when the closest public school is one mile down the road? Either link the rule or admit you made the whole thing up. Ray, he is right. The private school will be zoned near the public school. So yes at the same time they can run a bus to wherever, but that kid who lives out of zone will still sit out a year. That is a cost that family is willing to take. But most don’t have busses or bother. However, we can say all public’s have busses and shuttles kids to school that are immediately eligible. I’ve attended both public and private. So most of these arguments are comical. However, one thing we all do agree is the split isn’t the answer. It is too watered down. Then on top, they don’t even split all sports. What a mockery as it’s ok in some sportsbut not others? I’m glad those sports aren’t split. Go back to 1-5A champs.
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