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Post by GUNSLINGER on Jun 13, 2019 15:09:33 GMT -6
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Post by Rick James on Jun 13, 2019 18:42:09 GMT -6
So one guy asked them to end the split....and they are going to run with it? Seems like a waste of time to me if you pay attention to the vote totals EVERY time a vote dealing with the split comes up.
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Post by kennypowers on Jun 13, 2019 18:55:38 GMT -6
Split is trash. 12 trophies in baseball. Please end this non-sense. If anyone had any competitive spirit they would want to beat and play the best. I’ve been involved in both public and private, played, and it is all the same in what and how they do things. Tired of the arguing from either side on who has advantages. The answer is both equally do- some arguments more or less but both make up with each of its own. I’m not going to bicker bath and forth.
But 10+ trophies and say you are “state champion”??
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Post by indy on Jun 13, 2019 19:11:13 GMT -6
The percentage of people voting for the split has decreased each time
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Post by khsyellowjackets94 on Jun 13, 2019 20:29:05 GMT -6
You forgot to include the part that says " or to prevent the split from spreading to more sports". There is also mention of the Select schools having their own sub-organization within the LHSAA. If they really wanna bring everybody back together then change the way the Select schools are classified. Quit allowing certain private schools to hide among the small schools where they clearly don't belong.
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Post by retired on Jun 13, 2019 20:40:38 GMT -6
The percentage of people voting for the split has decreased each time I would like to see which schools are changing their point of view. I can definitely see some looking at the past several years and saying "Ok, nothing changed for us, it is still the same teams deep in the playoffs every season.
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Post by superdome2018 on Jun 13, 2019 20:53:58 GMT -6
Guys I don’t see it ever changing. Most people around here from what I’ve heard would like to see a change to 4 class 3 divisions and that would make the brackets very good again. Just my thoughts.
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Post by indy on Jun 13, 2019 21:00:06 GMT -6
Guys I don’t see it ever changing. Most people around here from what I’ve heard would like to see a change to 4 class 3 divisions and that would make the brackets very good again. Just my thoughts. People around here? You must be sitting at a bar drinking pink kool- aid. ? People who see 3 and 4 as a viable option are seeing it through self serving eyes.
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Post by indy on Jun 13, 2019 21:14:49 GMT -6
Has anyone taken the time to see what the enrollment ranges would be for three divisions? Four classifications?
I’d like to think that people can release some win and some lose
Those that win regardless if “select” or “non select” aren’t that different Same with those that lose
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jun 13, 2019 21:18:31 GMT -6
Has anyone taken the time to see what the enrollment ranges would be for three divisions? Four classifications? I’d like to think that people can release some win and some lose Those that win regardless if “select” or “non select” aren’t that different Same with those that lose it's just one division and one class less than what we currently have
the split is going nowhere. schools like it
maybe we should go to three classes and 2 select divisions so we have 5 football champions again, then have one class of B and C combined and one division for 7 titles in all other sports
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Post by indy on Jun 13, 2019 21:29:34 GMT -6
I’ll take that as a big no that you haven’t looked at the numbers
Also, you have no idea how the distribution of schools by enrollments looks
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Post by superdome2018 on Jun 13, 2019 21:32:03 GMT -6
Come on Indy we can have dialogue without insults. 4 and 3 makes it tougher for everyone. Just my opinion. Don’t think the split is going anywhere so let’s see how improvements to the system could be made.
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Post by indy on Jun 13, 2019 21:42:19 GMT -6
So obviously you know I’m against the split. A lot why is I want what’s fair for all the kids. With the split you currently have the 3a private school kids being forced to play with the 4a private school kids. This isn’t fair to them. It was absolutely terrible to push Curtis and Evangel down. My question is why is it fair to force the 1a public schools to have to play with the 2a public schools. Also, don’t think we should force the 3a public schools to have to play with those that are 4a. We both agree the current system isn’t good and a new solution should be reached but from a numbers point of view it’s not gonna solves as well being apart. Different parishes have different rules so we can’t actually get a level playing field across all public’s. In Acadia Parish iota has several crowley high kids giving them an advantage over other public schools were that can’t happen. Seems like we agreed the other day that certain schools have a good culture and coaching staff with an administration backing them and are able to develop the players. Some are “select” some are “non select”. The focus should be on what those winning programs are doing and see how many schools can attempt to emulate that.
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Post by indy on Jun 13, 2019 21:56:30 GMT -6
How would you have felt if Amite beat Many this year knowing their quarterback actually lives in Hammond? And no he didn’t start high school at Amite he began at Hammond High and in his own interview admitted transferring because he wanted to win a football title
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Post by superdome2018 on Jun 13, 2019 22:09:57 GMT -6
That’s the Indy I enjoy. I understand your view on the gap in numbers if we went 4-3 that’s a good argument, and I can see your point. Yes if the kid said he moved for football purposes he should have been ruled ineligible.
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Post by indy on Jun 13, 2019 22:16:08 GMT -6
👍🏽
We were shocked when Shelvin was ruled eligible at ND. Kid really did seek us out and came to improve an academic situation.
I do think more transparency on rulings would help create more trust between the school on both sides and would help foster a spirit more open to being combined again.
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Post by superdome2018 on Jun 13, 2019 22:19:30 GMT -6
I agree 100%
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Post by lsurulez on Jun 14, 2019 5:53:10 GMT -6
I would like to see a consistent enforcement of the rules. If it is a violation for one school, then it needs to be a violation at all schools. Some schools just get a slap on the wrist while others get hit hard when a violation occurs. I also agree Indy that there needs to be transparency with the LHSAA. Rules should be black and white with no gray area. With some parishes offering school of choice, it will be tough to set a level playing field for all schools. I do like the metro/rural plan that Notre Dame came up with. If they decide that the split will stay, that should be the plan to use.
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Post by thedomeranger on Jun 14, 2019 6:21:37 GMT -6
👍🏽 We were shocked when Shelvin was ruled eligible at ND. Kid really did seek us out and came to improve an academic situation. I do think more transparency on rulings would help create more trust between the school on both sides and would help foster a spirit more open to being combined again. Shelvin is an example of something I’ve always maintained regarding “recruiting”. Many times, if not most, the ‘recruiting’ of high end kids is initiated by the family of those kids. No school will turn their back on the opportunity to get a great player. Winning and having a coach with a great reputation for developing players and getting their players looks from major programs. Shelvin looked at LCA but chose ND. Probably the right choice for him. Cook is a legendary coach, has great coaches on staff, and wins. But nobody was recruiting Shelvin as much as he was shopping for a better situation for himself all the way around. I think the ruling indicated an understanding of what was going on at the public school he was coming from (a principal seemingly hostile towards athletics among otheR things) and his reasons for switching. He kind of looks like he has up his work habits based on reports coming out of LSU. I’m hoping he does well.
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Post by indy on Jun 14, 2019 6:29:24 GMT -6
At the time parish lines were in
This meant he couldn’t go to tch stm or lca
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Post by thedomeranger on Jun 14, 2019 6:32:04 GMT -6
I’ll take that as a big no that you haven’t looked at the numbers Also, you have no idea how the distribution of schools by enrollments looks I don’t know the numbers overall but when I was in high school there were only 4 divisions and the school population where I was (Acadiana) was about as large as the largest schools are now. So the top end hasn’t changed. But the number of schools has increased in many places. What I don’t know is the gaps in sizes as you go down the scale. That is where I see some potential issues. This is a difficult scenario to quantify. Even the concept of using multiple championships as a criteria for moving teams up in a certain sport seems a little misguided. There are times when a team serendipitously falls into a good player or group of good players that significantly impact a team for 2-4 years after which they return to their previous form. Especially true in basketball, IMO, but specific skill positions in football can also have a significant impact, particularly if the team is already well coached. good discussion man.
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Post by thedomeranger on Jun 14, 2019 6:35:48 GMT -6
At the time parish lines were in This meant he couldn’t go to tch stm or lca I did wonder about that but figured Cook was a large motivator and at the time he made his decision it was not yet public knowledge that Faulk was going to coach at LCA. He does have a relative affiliated with LCA, so people thought he might jump there. Makes sense now that there were other factors but I still think Cook and ND’s reputation would have been the tipping point, and understandably so.
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Post by indy on Jun 14, 2019 6:44:57 GMT -6
Trev encouraged Tyler to go to nd. The two main reason the family chose nd was being able to be mentored by Coach Cook and the fact that nd has an 8 class schedule. This allowed him to catch up one and a half extra credits.
He had a few teammates (2) who wanted to come with him. They assumed, like many others, that Tyler was getting a free ride which wasn’t the case. Once those kids realized that they stopping trying to attend nd. Both ended up transferring to a different public school. One of them ended up receiving a scholarship.
Tyler’s sister also attended nd. She was a freshman when he was a senior. The family was told they if they were moving to crowley both kids would have to be together. Once he graduated she didn’t return as a sopre.
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Post by indy on Jun 14, 2019 6:58:53 GMT -6
So this seems like it's the best discussion I've ever seen on this board so in that spirit i would like to point out another issue with the Split. No one can deny it's a great experience. Part of this experience is the practice and picture day. But now that you have 9 games the practice times have gotten crazy. Two years ago Welsh had to stay an extra night because the practice was two days before the game. Far from an ideal situation and part of why St. Helena was able to make such a comeback in the second half. This year Eunice didn't even go for pictures because of the same reason. Livonia's team had to bus out around 5am when they went to make their practice time. Which used to be an hour fifteen and has now been cut to forty five minutes and it's a running clock after pictures. It's not realistic to think that a school can get more than thirty minutes in the current set up.
Looking at a logistical point of view six games is the highest number that you can have without disrupting picture / practice day for the other teams
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Post by sunnyd56 on Jun 14, 2019 8:40:01 GMT -6
How would you have felt if Amite beat Many this year knowing their quarterback actually lives in Hammond? And no he didn’t start high school at Amite he began at Hammond High and in his own interview admitted transferring because he wanted to win a football title I was about to say how did you know all that if you’re not from around here, didn’t know he did an interview about it 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by indy on Jun 14, 2019 8:54:41 GMT -6
article written by David Folse and was run in the Baton Rouge Advocate
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Post by retired on Jun 14, 2019 9:34:48 GMT -6
Tyler’s sister also attended nd. She was a freshman when he was a senior. The family was told they if they were moving to crowley both kids would have to be together. Once he graduated she didn’t return as a sopre. This sentence demonstrates one of the key issues with the split. Based on this, if not for football, than the student in question would never have attended the school right? Select, non select etc doesn't really matter. Unfortunately, the very simple question "would you attend this school if sports were all club based as opposed to school based?" won't yield honest answers.
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Post by indy on Jun 14, 2019 10:17:09 GMT -6
So you’ve stumbled upon inherit bias in people too
In this case Tyler was coming to nd for sports, Lsu football. When he enrolled he was in need of academic remediation and the 8 class schedule we offer along with block scheduling afforded him a academic opportunity to be able to fix his grades and attend lsu.
Our school told the family the sister had to come because we didn’t want to be part of a fraud.
Again your point is valid about club sports vs school.
What’s a shame is if the kid was a basketball player no one would have cared if he came to nd.
And I also want to mention davontae bourque who signed with Tennessee He moved from gueydan to crowley and attended crowley high
Two reasons not as much was made of it 1. He went to a public school 2. People weren’t as suspicious yet
I’m sure we both agree than many kids transfer to schools on both sides for athletics and a solution to curtail this needs to be reached other than to segregate out schools and diminish the experiences for kids on both sides.
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Post by indy on Jun 14, 2019 10:19:24 GMT -6
I would hope that people can look at the Kentucky scholarship player transferring to a school in the same light as the lsu kid transferring to a school and not see transfers to public one way and transfers to private another.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Jun 14, 2019 10:41:07 GMT -6
I would hope that people can look at the Kentucky scholarship player transferring to a school in the same light as the lsu kid transferring to a school and not see transfers to public one way and transfers to private another. The problem is that people assume that with kids who transfer to public schools, that their family had to have moved into that school’s zone, which isn’t always the case. Some find ways to simply make it appear as though they did. And on the flip side, people assume kids that transfer to a private are doing so because they are being allowed to attend on some mythical athletic scholarship, and are attending tuition free. No one is naive enough to believe that there aren’t shady instances, but they are few and far between. In most cases, just like finding funds for personal trainers and to attend certain camps or enroll in different recruiting services, families make sacrifices and find a way to pay the tuition for their kids to play in programs at private schools so their kids will have better facilities, better coaching, better exposure, etc. And as shocking as it is to believe for some, some parents, who’s child happens to be a good athlete, also enroll their kids in private schools for a better educational experience or to keep their kids away from some of the issues that occur at public schools at a much higher rate than at most privates. Just like the parents of kids that have zero athletic ability.
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