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Post by retired on Aug 3, 2019 17:42:02 GMT -6
(not equal, special rights) - yeah right
Yep i would love it if nd was able to enroll every football player in the city of Crowley and not have to worry if they could afford the tuition.
We could have the son of a nfl player and the grandson of a mcneese player who won state in the 200m dash.
That's even pretending public schools follow zones So let's say we could do like Iota and enroll any kid we wanted, then We could have a 6,000 yard rusher from church point or the stud rb who transferred from st. eds to iota or the big giant good looking Hebert lineman who's a soph I know of a stud lhp rayne high has that's a junior and their qb
------------------------------ So Chalmette Owl in your area what's different about Karr and Warren Easton open enrollment to the "select schools"?
Get a CLUE the public schools aren't as the disadvantage you wanna believe! and what they wanna sell to the general public!
I could get behind that statement if you didn't paint with such a wide brush. It isn't "public schools" it is some public schools, just like ND is different than ECA, JC and now apparently LCA (from what you have said) not all public schools are involved in this transfer season, some do have neighborhood zone restrictions etc. The issue is that some (fans, posters, principals) wrongly think all private schools are like ECA and JC, BUT also some (fans, posters, principals) may now also wrongly think that all public schools are like Zachary, WM, Karr etc.
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Post by indy on Aug 3, 2019 18:33:25 GMT -6
Can we agree that schools exist on both sides with special rights?
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Post by retired on Aug 3, 2019 19:19:13 GMT -6
Can we agree that schools exist on both sides with special rights? Absolutely. Although I wouldn't say "rights" but the idea you are trying to convey is correct. Circumstances are such that some private schools and some public schools exist in situations more conducive to athletic success than others.
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Post by indy on Aug 3, 2019 19:22:56 GMT -6
Agreed
Now can you agree that Many high school being the only football playing school in Sabine Parish has a better situation than ND because they don’t have to compete for football players?
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Post by retired on Aug 3, 2019 19:33:55 GMT -6
Agreed Now can you agree that Many high school being the only football playing school in Sabine Parish has a better situation than ND because they don’t have to compete for football players? I would have to see population numbers, as well as the exact process. Just as people have lots of misconceptions about private schools and "recruiting", I believe people may have misconceptions about how situations like that work. Regarding my opinion here, I have said quite often that I believe the "Select" classification should most likely include several of the schools currently in non select. No disagreement there.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Aug 3, 2019 19:34:35 GMT -6
(not equal, special rights) - yeah right
Yep i would love it if nd was able to enroll every football player in the city of Crowley and not have to worry if they could afford the tuition.
We could have the son of a nfl player and the grandson of a mcneese player who won state in the 200m dash.
That's even pretending public schools follow zones So let's say we could do like Iota and enroll any kid we wanted, then We could have a 6,000 yard rusher from church point or the stud rb who transferred from st. eds to iota or the big giant good looking Hebert lineman who's a soph I know of a stud lhp rayne high has that's a junior and their qb
------------------------------ So Chalmette Owl in your area what's different about Karr and Warren Easton open enrollment to the "select schools"?
Get a CLUE the public schools aren't as the disadvantage you wanna believe! and what they wanna sell to the general public!
I'm not familiar with specific kids and where they live, but Karr and Warren Easton can only get from Orleans Parish legally. They don't select, the OneApp does among those who select them. If you can get kids from more than one parish, you're select, no ifs ands and buts. We need to be vigilant where I'm from and make sure St. Bernard Parish kids aren't going where they legally can't. We can't have it both ways though. I'm sure I would like us to get kids who use an aunt's light bill or address or whatever if they're prospects.
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Post by indy on Aug 3, 2019 20:53:45 GMT -6
You really think Karr can sign that many kids each year with an Ap not a coach selecting kids?
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Post by indy on Aug 3, 2019 20:55:49 GMT -6
I would be happy if every school who can draw from outside the parish would be “select” because that would end the split
They’re fewer schools who don’t don’t get an outside parish kid than private schools
It’s amazing how many kids we get at nd who have transferred from a public school and provide the real address revealing what a hoax has been spread about zones.
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Post by Southplaq on Aug 4, 2019 7:29:25 GMT -6
It will when the Dome Classic loses sponsorship money to the private organization. It’s now about the Benjamin’s! Money like the LHSAA doesn’t have zones! I think Southplaq is right. It is getting juicy right now, particularly with Bonine basically saying it isn't a "real subgroup" (like the coaches association) and has no LHSAA standing. Essentially saying it was only for the championship events and the optics of the association is not conducive for unification. smart man.
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Post by Southplaq on Aug 4, 2019 7:32:12 GMT -6
I would be happy if every school who can draw from outside the parish would be “select” because that would end the split They’re fewer schools who don’t don’t get an outside parish kid than private schools It’s amazing how many kids we get at nd who have transferred from a public school and provide the real address revealing what a hoax has been spread about zones. BINGO!!
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Post by indy on Aug 4, 2019 7:43:45 GMT -6
speaking of BINGO. At the nursing homes it’s now “select bingo” and “not-select bingo” there is prize money in “select bingo” but the participation is greater in “not-select bingo” because everyone gets a a little trophy.
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Post by Southplaq on Aug 4, 2019 8:21:17 GMT -6
People are crucifying John Curtis every time the split comes up? I can't speak for ECA because I'm not involved with that school, but JC is always being isolated when it comes to the private schools. It amazes me that everyone is pointing the finger at Curtis, YET... Curtis doesn't send nearly as many kids to D1 schools year after year as other private schools like St. Augustine. Likewise there are numerous PUBLIC SCHOOLS that send more kids to D1 schools than Curtis. Its always "Oh Curtis is the reason for the split", and "Curtis recruits all the best players" yet, no one ever mentions St. Augustine who leads the state in D1 recruits, or teams like Karr who has more D1 signees that Curtis. If Curtis is this huge football factory that recruits all the good players in the area like they are accused of, then god dammit, they suck at it because they are not the school that turns out all these star D1 athletes year after year and they are not the school dominating the all-metro and all-state teams year after year. How in the hell are they getting the best players from the surrounding areas, and yet, they don't send as many kids to D1 schools as other schools? Logic will tell you that something isn't right. Yes, Curtis wins state a bunch, but anyone with half of brain can see that its mostly a team effort and superior coaching. I've been involved with that school for 15 years, and yes, kids come from different areas to go to Curtis, just like kids come from different areas to attend 90% of the other private schools in the state. It doesn't stop with private schools either. Many kids attend lots of public schools out of their "zones". Whatever crap people are throwing out about Curtis getting the best players from the area is absolute BULLpoop. Just like I said, Curtis would be getting many more individual awards and D1 scholarships than team awards if that were true.
In 2017 Curtis placed 2 guys on the Class 5A All-State team. West Monroe had 4.
In 2018 Curtis had 2 on the All-State team. West Monroe had 5. Likewise, John Ehret high school, which is about 13 miles from Curtis, had 3 on the team. Yet, Curtis recruits all the best players in the area, right?.
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Post by retired on Aug 4, 2019 9:09:27 GMT -6
People are crucifying John Curtis every time the split comes up? I can't speak for ECA because I'm not involved with that school, but JC is always being isolated when it comes to the private schools. It amazes me that everyone is pointing the finger at Curtis, YET... Curtis doesn't send nearly as many kids to D1 schools year after year as other private schools like St. Augustine. Likewise there are numerous PUBLIC SCHOOLS that send more kids to D1 schools than Curtis. Its always "Oh Curtis is the reason for the split", and "Curtis recruits all the best players" yet, no one ever mentions St. Augustine who leads the state in D1 recruits, or teams like Karr who has more D1 signees that Curtis. If Curtis is this huge football factory that recruits all the good players in the area like they are accused of, then god dammit, they suck at it because they are not the school that turns out all these star D1 athletes year after year and they are not the school dominating the all-metro and all-state teams year after year. How in the hell are they getting the best players from the surrounding areas, and yet, they don't send as many kids to D1 schools as other schools? Logic will tell you that something isn't right. Yes, Curtis wins state a bunch, but anyone with half of brain can see that its mostly a team effort and superior coaching. I've been involved with that school for 15 years, and yes, kids come from different areas to go to Curtis, just like kids come from different areas to attend 90% of the other private schools in the state. It doesn't stop with private schools either. Many kids attend lots of public schools out of their "zones". Whatever crap people are throwing out about Curtis getting the best players from the area is absolute BULLpoop. Just like I said, Curtis would be getting many more individual awards and D1 scholarships than team awards if that were true. In 2017 Curtis placed 2 guys on the Class 5A All-State team. West Monroe had 4. In 2018 Curtis had 2 on the All-State team. West Monroe had 5. Likewise, John Ehret high school, which is about 13 miles from Curtis, had 3 on the team. Yet, Curtis recruits all the best players in the area, right?. Curtis has a coed high school enrollment of right around if not under 300 kids. ECA currently enrolls less than that. West Monroe has an enrollment of over 2000 students. John Ehret has an enrollment of over 2000 students. That is the reason. Take ECA or Curtis's roster, and compare them to a Northlake Christian, a Hannan High (both pre and post Katrina. An even better example might be Newman. Newman has gotten its share of top tier athletes the last 30 years or so, but they don't look anything like Curtis because Curtis gets the top tier athletes, but also the great HS football players. Just keep in mind that high school football games are won by great high school football players. As counterintuitive as it seems, D1 athletes are not necessarily the best HS football players. You aren't wrong that JC isn't the destination for every top football player in the Orleans metro area. And maybe some of the attention/blame is undeserved, but JC and ECA are most definitely the main catalyst for the current playoff system.
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Post by indy on Aug 4, 2019 10:09:31 GMT -6
And somehow all the open enrollment parishes, only football team I. A parish or flat out ignore zones goes on like it’s no big deal.
How many public to better public transfers occur and no one says a word but all the sudden if they go to a private school it’s an issue.
I know it doesn’t fit the narrative but that’s what’s occurring at a rate of roughly 8-1.
Time provides perspective. No one still thinks that Evangel and Curtis playing down was a good thing. Look at the animosity it’s causes. What do you think will be the result in ten years of people looking back at this farce?
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Post by iamray on Aug 5, 2019 8:36:54 GMT -6
(not equal, special rights) - yeah right
Yep i would love it if nd was able to enroll every football player in the city of Crowley and not have to worry if they could afford the tuition.
We could have the son of a nfl player and the grandson of a mcneese player who won state in the 200m dash.
That's even pretending public schools follow zones So let's say we could do like Iota and enroll any kid we wanted, then We could have a 6,000 yard rusher from church point or the stud rb who transferred from st. eds to iota or the big giant good looking Hebert lineman who's a soph I know of a stud lhp rayne high has that's a junior and their qb
------------------------------ So Chalmette Owl in your area what's different about Karr and Warren Easton open enrollment to the "select schools"?
Get a CLUE the public schools aren't as the disadvantage you wanna believe! and what they wanna sell to the general public!
I'm not familiar with specific kids and where they live, but Karr and Warren Easton can only get from Orleans Parish legally. They don't select, the OneApp does among those who select them. If you can get kids from more than one parish, you're select, no ifs ands and buts. We need to be vigilant where I'm from and make sure St. Bernard Parish kids aren't going where they legally can't. We can't have it both ways though. I'm sure I would like us to get kids who use an aunt's light bill or address or whatever if they're prospects. Yes, but don't the prospective students get to name their preferred school with One App? I'd like to see the number of students who actually end up at their preferred school of choice.
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Post by iamray on Aug 5, 2019 8:44:10 GMT -6
People are crucifying John Curtis every time the split comes up? I can't speak for ECA because I'm not involved with that school, but JC is always being isolated when it comes to the private schools. It amazes me that everyone is pointing the finger at Curtis, YET... Curtis doesn't send nearly as many kids to D1 schools year after year as other private schools like St. Augustine. Likewise there are numerous PUBLIC SCHOOLS that send more kids to D1 schools than Curtis. Its always "Oh Curtis is the reason for the split", and "Curtis recruits all the best players" yet, no one ever mentions St. Augustine who leads the state in D1 recruits, or teams like Karr who has more D1 signees that Curtis. If Curtis is this huge football factory that recruits all the good players in the area like they are accused of, then god dammit, they suck at it because they are not the school that turns out all these star D1 athletes year after year and they are not the school dominating the all-metro and all-state teams year after year. How in the hell are they getting the best players from the surrounding areas, and yet, they don't send as many kids to D1 schools as other schools? Logic will tell you that something isn't right. Yes, Curtis wins state a bunch, but anyone with half of brain can see that its mostly a team effort and superior coaching. I've been involved with that school for 15 years, and yes, kids come from different areas to go to Curtis, just like kids come from different areas to attend 90% of the other private schools in the state. It doesn't stop with private schools either. Many kids attend lots of public schools out of their "zones". Whatever crap people are throwing out about Curtis getting the best players from the area is absolute BULLpoop. Just like I said, Curtis would be getting many more individual awards and D1 scholarships than team awards if that were true. In 2017 Curtis placed 2 guys on the Class 5A All-State team. West Monroe had 4. In 2018 Curtis had 2 on the All-State team. West Monroe had 5. Likewise, John Ehret high school, which is about 13 miles from Curtis, had 3 on the team. Yet, Curtis recruits all the best players in the area, right?. Bunch of fodder here. Come on, man. JC's success caused all of this. They routinely dominated teams in 4A and 5A - schools with student enrollments of 900-2,100 - while only having an enrollment of 300 themselves. St. Aug and Karr have only recently started sending all of these kids to DI schools. In fact, Karr's dominance started after the split. The all-state teams are voted on by the LSWA so that shouldn't play any roll in your reasoning. No way John Curtis should've been able to sustain the type of success they have with such a small enrollment there in River Ridge. No way. Willie Allen was taking two buses and walking 10 blocks to get to attend John Curtis. A Curtis coach found out and took the kid in and let him live with him and his family. If you think they would do that for any student you're crazy. No telling how many similar stories have taken place at JC. Willie Allen was 6'6 330, an LSU signee, and a perfect linemen for their offense. Come on, man. River Ridge is tiny. John Curtis deserves to be lumped into this split talk along with ECA.
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Post by indy on Aug 5, 2019 8:51:44 GMT -6
People are crucifying John Curtis every time the split comes up? I can't speak for ECA because I'm not involved with that school, but JC is always being isolated when it comes to the private schools. It amazes me that everyone is pointing the finger at Curtis, YET... Curtis doesn't send nearly as many kids to D1 schools year after year as other private schools like St. Augustine. Likewise there are numerous PUBLIC SCHOOLS that send more kids to D1 schools than Curtis. Its always "Oh Curtis is the reason for the split", and "Curtis recruits all the best players" yet, no one ever mentions St. Augustine who leads the state in D1 recruits, or teams like Karr who has more D1 signees that Curtis. If Curtis is this huge football factory that recruits all the good players in the area like they are accused of, then god dammit, they suck at it because they are not the school that turns out all these star D1 athletes year after year and they are not the school dominating the all-metro and all-state teams year after year. How in the hell are they getting the best players from the surrounding areas, and yet, they don't send as many kids to D1 schools as other schools? Logic will tell you that something isn't right. Yes, Curtis wins state a bunch, but anyone with half of brain can see that its mostly a team effort and superior coaching. I've been involved with that school for 15 years, and yes, kids come from different areas to go to Curtis, just like kids come from different areas to attend 90% of the other private schools in the state. It doesn't stop with private schools either. Many kids attend lots of public schools out of their "zones". Whatever crap people are throwing out about Curtis getting the best players from the area is absolute BULLpoop. Just like I said, Curtis would be getting many more individual awards and D1 scholarships than team awards if that were true. In 2017 Curtis placed 2 guys on the Class 5A All-State team. West Monroe had 4. In 2018 Curtis had 2 on the All-State team. West Monroe had 5. Likewise, John Ehret high school, which is about 13 miles from Curtis, had 3 on the team. Yet, Curtis recruits all the best players in the area, right?. Bunch of fodder here. Come on, man. JC's success caused all of this. They routinely dominated teams in 4A and 5A - schools with student enrollments of 900-2,100 - while only having an enrollment of 300 themselves. St. Aug and Karr have only recently started sending all of these kids to DI schools. In fact, Karr's dominance started after the split. The all-state teams are voted on by the LSWA so that shouldn't play any roll in your reasoning. No way John Curtis should've been able to sustain the type of success they have with such a small enrollment there in River Ridge. No way. Willie Allen was taking two buses and walking 10 blocks to get to attend John Curtis. A Curtis coach found out and took the kid in and let him live with him and his family. If you think they would do that for any student you're crazy. No telling how many similar stories have taken place at JC. Willie Allen was 6'6 330, an LSU signee, and a perfect linemen for their offense. Come on, man. River Ridge is tiny. John Curtis deserves to be lumped into this split talk along with ECA. I agree with you, yet I see some of southplaq ‘s reasoning. There are way more bad and mediocre coaches than good and great coaches. Those stuck in mediocrity want to blame someone besides themselves or their team. So that lead to lowering standards. Neville snd ND etc has haters as well because we win, albeit more regional, JC and E more state wide.
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Post by iamray on Aug 5, 2019 10:33:13 GMT -6
Bunch of fodder here. Come on, man. JC's success caused all of this. They routinely dominated teams in 4A and 5A - schools with student enrollments of 900-2,100 - while only having an enrollment of 300 themselves. St. Aug and Karr have only recently started sending all of these kids to DI schools. In fact, Karr's dominance started after the split. The all-state teams are voted on by the LSWA so that shouldn't play any roll in your reasoning. No way John Curtis should've been able to sustain the type of success they have with such a small enrollment there in River Ridge. No way. Willie Allen was taking two buses and walking 10 blocks to get to attend John Curtis. A Curtis coach found out and took the kid in and let him live with him and his family. If you think they would do that for any student you're crazy. No telling how many similar stories have taken place at JC. Willie Allen was 6'6 330, an LSU signee, and a perfect linemen for their offense. Come on, man. River Ridge is tiny. John Curtis deserves to be lumped into this split talk along with ECA. I agree with you, yet I see some of southplaq ‘s reasoning. There are way more bad and mediocre coaches than good and great coaches. Those stuck in mediocrity want to blame someone besides themselves or their team. So that lead to lowering standards. Neville snd ND etc has haters as well because we win, albeit more regional, JC and E more state wide. I'm glad you said that. I'd be wrong to ignore the fact that JT is one of the goats. His staff (family) is top notch. While I do believe much of their success can be attributed to recruiting great football players, I also think his knowledge and prowess as a head coach deserves credit as well.
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Post by Southplaq on Aug 6, 2019 12:29:31 GMT -6
People are crucifying John Curtis every time the split comes up? I can't speak for ECA because I'm not involved with that school, but JC is always being isolated when it comes to the private schools. It amazes me that everyone is pointing the finger at Curtis, YET... Curtis doesn't send nearly as many kids to D1 schools year after year as other private schools like St. Augustine. Likewise there are numerous PUBLIC SCHOOLS that send more kids to D1 schools than Curtis. Its always "Oh Curtis is the reason for the split", and "Curtis recruits all the best players" yet, no one ever mentions St. Augustine who leads the state in D1 recruits, or teams like Karr who has more D1 signees that Curtis. If Curtis is this huge football factory that recruits all the good players in the area like they are accused of, then god dammit, they suck at it because they are not the school that turns out all these star D1 athletes year after year and they are not the school dominating the all-metro and all-state teams year after year. How in the hell are they getting the best players from the surrounding areas, and yet, they don't send as many kids to D1 schools as other schools? Logic will tell you that something isn't right. Yes, Curtis wins state a bunch, but anyone with half of brain can see that its mostly a team effort and superior coaching. I've been involved with that school for 15 years, and yes, kids come from different areas to go to Curtis, just like kids come from different areas to attend 90% of the other private schools in the state. It doesn't stop with private schools either. Many kids attend lots of public schools out of their "zones". Whatever crap people are throwing out about Curtis getting the best players from the area is absolute BULLpoop. Just like I said, Curtis would be getting many more individual awards and D1 scholarships than team awards if that were true. In 2017 Curtis placed 2 guys on the Class 5A All-State team. West Monroe had 4. In 2018 Curtis had 2 on the All-State team. West Monroe had 5. Likewise, John Ehret high school, which is about 13 miles from Curtis, had 3 on the team. Yet, Curtis recruits all the best players in the area, right?. Curtis has a coed high school enrollment of right around if not under 300 kids. ECA currently enrolls less than that. West Monroe has an enrollment of over 2000 students. John Ehret has an enrollment of over 2000 students. That is the reason. Take ECA or Curtis's roster, and compare them to a Northlake Christian, a Hannan High (both pre and post Katrina. An even better example might be Newman. Newman has gotten its share of top tier athletes the last 30 years or so, but they don't look anything like Curtis because Curtis gets the top tier athletes, but also the great HS football players. Just keep in mind that high school football games are won by great high school football players. As counterintuitive as it seems, D1 athletes are not necessarily the best HS football players. You aren't wrong that JC isn't the destination for every top football player in the Orleans metro area. And maybe some of the attention/blame is undeserved, but JC and ECA are most definitely the main catalyst for the current playoff system. Total Enrolment numbers doesn't matter here and is useless in this argument. You have to use football numbers, specifically. Curtis might have 1,600 less students than Ehret or WM, but the football numbers are quite the same. Curtis has over 200 boys at their school and field a team of about 110 kids, which is more than Ehret and comparable to WM. So, if Curtis gets all the top tier athletes in the area, then common sense should tell you that they should be putting more players on the All-State team than surrounding schools, who have the same number of football players, but gets lower-tier athletes, not less. I have to somewhat disagree that high school football games are won by great high school football players. That isn't the case most of the time. Teamwork, dedication, preparation and superior coaching wins games in more cases than talent does. Case in point, on paper, year after year, St. Augustine is more talented than Curtis, yet they can't beat them. Its easy for people, on the outside looking in, to say that Curtis has great football players, but my advice for those same people is to come to the school and watch practices of the incoming 8th grade and freshman classes and you will see than these aren't the greatest players or athletes in the area. Likewise, come to the lower school and watch the 4th, 5th, and 6th graders dress out in full pads and run the same exact plays as the high school over and over and over for an hour a day, 5 days a week. No, Curtis doesn't have the best players and athletes in the area, they are just great at what they do, and THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE MISS! As the great Michael Jordan said, “Talent wins games, but teamwork win championships.” Curtis is an efficient machine made up of superior coaching, hard work, relentless dedication, and a group of kids who puts teamwork above individual success, and anyone who uses them as an excuse as the catalyst is unfair and its an insult to the hard work those young men put in day after day and year after year on that practice field.
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Post by Southplaq on Aug 6, 2019 12:39:53 GMT -6
People are crucifying John Curtis every time the split comes up? I can't speak for ECA because I'm not involved with that school, but JC is always being isolated when it comes to the private schools. It amazes me that everyone is pointing the finger at Curtis, YET... Curtis doesn't send nearly as many kids to D1 schools year after year as other private schools like St. Augustine. Likewise there are numerous PUBLIC SCHOOLS that send more kids to D1 schools than Curtis. Its always "Oh Curtis is the reason for the split", and "Curtis recruits all the best players" yet, no one ever mentions St. Augustine who leads the state in D1 recruits, or teams like Karr who has more D1 signees that Curtis. If Curtis is this huge football factory that recruits all the good players in the area like they are accused of, then god dammit, they suck at it because they are not the school that turns out all these star D1 athletes year after year and they are not the school dominating the all-metro and all-state teams year after year. How in the hell are they getting the best players from the surrounding areas, and yet, they don't send as many kids to D1 schools as other schools? Logic will tell you that something isn't right. Yes, Curtis wins state a bunch, but anyone with half of brain can see that its mostly a team effort and superior coaching. I've been involved with that school for 15 years, and yes, kids come from different areas to go to Curtis, just like kids come from different areas to attend 90% of the other private schools in the state. It doesn't stop with private schools either. Many kids attend lots of public schools out of their "zones". Whatever crap people are throwing out about Curtis getting the best players from the area is absolute BULLpoop. Just like I said, Curtis would be getting many more individual awards and D1 scholarships than team awards if that were true. In 2017 Curtis placed 2 guys on the Class 5A All-State team. West Monroe had 4. In 2018 Curtis had 2 on the All-State team. West Monroe had 5. Likewise, John Ehret high school, which is about 13 miles from Curtis, had 3 on the team. Yet, Curtis recruits all the best players in the area, right?. Bunch of fodder here. Come on, man. JC's success caused all of this. They routinely dominated teams in 4A and 5A - schools with student enrollments of 900-2,100 - while only having an enrollment of 300 themselves. St. Aug and Karr have only recently started sending all of these kids to DI schools. In fact, Karr's dominance started after the split. The all-state teams are voted on by the LSWA so that shouldn't play any roll in your reasoning. No way John Curtis should've been able to sustain the type of success they have with such a small enrollment there in River Ridge. No way. Willie Allen was taking two buses and walking 10 blocks to get to attend John Curtis. A Curtis coach found out and took the kid in and let him live with him and his family. If you think they would do that for any student you're crazy. No telling how many similar stories have taken place at JC. Willie Allen was 6'6 330, an LSU signee, and a perfect linemen for their offense. Come on, man. River Ridge is tiny. John Curtis deserves to be lumped into this split talk along with ECA. Another person on the outside looking in who has no clue what the hell goes on there, and just rather go with the easy explanation. Instead of going by what you've heard, why don't you come to the lower school and see for yourself what goes on. Quit believing crap you hear and come and see for yourself how this tiny school from River ridge maintains such great success year after year. Come to the lower school and watch the 4th, 5th, and 6th grade teams, in pull uniforms and pads, run the same plays that the high school runs day after day, 5 days a week. Come and watch the incoming 8th grade team and freshman team work their tails off even harder to perfect the same offense and defense they have been learning for 5 years. Curtis isn't filled with superstar athletes like people think, they are just great at what they do. People should come and see this for themselves, but they won't do that because it's easier to sit on their asses and point fingers. Read my response to Retired and then it all might start making sense to you. And to address your Willie Allen statement, You really need to read Willie's full story before you make simple comments about him taking 2 buses and walking 10 blocks to get to school. It wasn't as easy as that, but, once again, someone on the outside looking in, who is just repeating what you heard, instead of getting the full story. And if you think coaches wouldn't do the same for other kids who are in similar situations as Willie (which were more dire than a bus ride and walking) then you are the one who is crazy, because they have. You guys have no clue what goes on there and how this school help out the average student time after time, but I'll let you all wallow in your ignorance because you are happier dwelling there,
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Post by indy on Aug 6, 2019 12:56:14 GMT -6
Bunch of fodder here. Come on, man. JC's success caused all of this. They routinely dominated teams in 4A and 5A - schools with student enrollments of 900-2,100 - while only having an enrollment of 300 themselves. St. Aug and Karr have only recently started sending all of these kids to DI schools. In fact, Karr's dominance started after the split. The all-state teams are voted on by the LSWA so that shouldn't play any roll in your reasoning. No way John Curtis should've been able to sustain the type of success they have with such a small enrollment there in River Ridge. No way. Willie Allen was taking two buses and walking 10 blocks to get to attend John Curtis. A Curtis coach found out and took the kid in and let him live with him and his family. If you think they would do that for any student you're crazy. No telling how many similar stories have taken place at JC. Willie Allen was 6'6 330, an LSU signee, and a perfect linemen for their offense. Come on, man. River Ridge is tiny. John Curtis deserves to be lumped into this split talk along with ECA. Another person on the outside looking in who has no clue what the hell goes on there, and just rather go with the easy explanation. Instead of going by what you've heard, why don't you come to the lower school and see for yourself what goes on. Quit believing bullpoop you hear and come and see for yourself how this tiny school from River ridge maintains such great success year after year. Come to the lower school and watch the 4th, 5th, and 6th grade teams, in pull uniforms and pads, run the same plays that the high school runs day after day, 5 days a week. Come and watch the incoming 8th grade team and freshman team work their tails off even harder to perfect the same offense and defense they have been learning for 5 years. Curtis isn't filled with superstar athletes like people think, they are just great at what they do. People should come and see this for themselves, but they won't do that because it's easier to sit on their fat asses and point fingers. Read my response to Retired and then it all might start making sense to you. It’s a school/ family business. They do have arguably one of the top coaching staffs in the state, no doubt that contributes to their enormous success. But add to that they have no school board, no religious affiliation, no one to answer too. One man makes all the decisions regarding everything. Add also that their survival as a family business depends on their athletic success.
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Post by Southplaq on Aug 6, 2019 13:10:37 GMT -6
Another person on the outside looking in who has no clue what the hell goes on there, and just rather go with the easy explanation. Instead of going by what you've heard, why don't you come to the lower school and see for yourself what goes on. Quit believing bullpoop you hear and come and see for yourself how this tiny school from River ridge maintains such great success year after year. Come to the lower school and watch the 4th, 5th, and 6th grade teams, in pull uniforms and pads, run the same plays that the high school runs day after day, 5 days a week. Come and watch the incoming 8th grade team and freshman team work their tails off even harder to perfect the same offense and defense they have been learning for 5 years. Curtis isn't filled with superstar athletes like people think, they are just great at what they do. People should come and see this for themselves, but they won't do that because it's easier to sit on their fat asses and point fingers. Read my response to Retired and then it all might start making sense to you. It’s a school/ family business. They do have arguably one of the top coaching staffs in the state, no doubt that contributes to their enormous success. But add to that they have no school board, no religious affiliation, no one to answer too. One man makes all the decisions regarding everything. Add also that their survival as a family business depends on their athletic success. I do agree with some of this. Athletic success will help with any school's enrollment, as it attracts more student-athletes, as I'm sure it benefits Notre Dame to a certain extent too, but their survival as a family business doesn't depends solely on their athletic success. Curtis is the cheapest private school in the area(about $7,800/yr) and lots of parents who can't afford private schools like Jesuit ($9,800/yr) and Rummel ($9,000/yr), send their kids there. They give lower-middle income families the opportunity to send their kids to a private school. Would Curtis numbers go down if their football team sucked, probably so, but will the school collapse, no way in hell!
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Post by retired on Aug 6, 2019 18:54:15 GMT -6
Curtis has a coed high school enrollment of right around if not under 300 kids. ECA currently enrolls less than that. West Monroe has an enrollment of over 2000 students. John Ehret has an enrollment of over 2000 students. That is the reason. Take ECA or Curtis's roster, and compare them to a Northlake Christian, a Hannan High (both pre and post Katrina. An even better example might be Newman. Newman has gotten its share of top tier athletes the last 30 years or so, but they don't look anything like Curtis because Curtis gets the top tier athletes, but also the great HS football players. Just keep in mind that high school football games are won by great high school football players. As counterintuitive as it seems, D1 athletes are not necessarily the best HS football players. You aren't wrong that JC isn't the destination for every top football player in the Orleans metro area. And maybe some of the attention/blame is undeserved, but JC and ECA are most definitely the main catalyst for the current playoff system. Total Enrolment numbers doesn't matter here and is useless in this argument. You have to use football numbers, specifically. Curtis might have 1,600 less students than Ehret or WM, but the football numbers are quite the same. Curtis has over 200 boys at their school and field a team of about 110 kids, which is more than Ehret and comparable to WM. So, if Curtis gets all the top tier athletes in the area, then common sense should tell you that they should be putting more players on the All-State team than surrounding schools, who have the same number of football players, but gets lower-tier athletes, not less. I have to somewhat disagree that high school football games are won by great high school football players. That isn't the case most of the time. Teamwork, dedication, preparation and superior coaching wins games in more cases than talent does. Case in point, on paper, year after year, St. Augustine is more talented than Curtis, yet they can't beat them. Its easy for people, on the outside looking in, to say that Curtis has great football players, but my advice for those same people is to come to the school and watch practices of the incoming 8th grade and freshman classes and you will see than these aren't the greatest players or athletes in the area. Likewise, come to the lower school and watch the 4th, 5th, and 6th graders dress out in full pads and run the same exact plays as the high school over and over and over for an hour a day, 5 days a week. No, Curtis doesn't have the best players and athletes in the area, they are just great at what they do, and THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE MISS! As the great Michael Jordan said, “Talent wins games, but teamwork win championships.” Curtis is an efficient machine made up of superior coaching, hard work, relentless dedication, and a group of kids who puts teamwork above individual success, and anyone who uses them as an excuse as the catalyst is unfair and its an insult to the hard work those young men put in day after day and year after year on that practice field. I think you submarine your position in the first paragraph. The talent level is heavily influenced by the normal distribution of the student population. As I pointed out, compare JC and its population vs Northlake Christian, Pope John Paul, Newman, St. Martins etc. JCs OL and TE on offense and DL and some LBs look very little like the ones of the other teams I mentioned. That means that out of their 300 kids, they have a VASTLY greater number of kids with that strength/size/ and athleticism. Just a quick, back of the envelope calculation looking at at maxprep.com rosters. Obviously not 100% accurate, but just looking at Newman vs John Curtis's rosters. Curtis's avg height and weight for players # 50-79 is 6 1/4" and 241lbs. Newman averages 5'11 and 197lbs. Hannan High averages 5'11 184lbs. All three schools have similar total student enrollment. Are you suggesting that simply because Curtis fields a larger team, that this boosts their average height over an inch, and their average weight around 40lbs? Your statement about "football numbers" is inaccurate, because going out for football doesn't make one taller and significantly larger (40+pounds). "football numbers" come from the number of total enrolled students. Curtis has 1600 less students from which to draw their "football numbers" The normal distribution of that much smaller pool should result in much smaller (physically) humans. As you well know, it doesn't.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Aug 6, 2019 20:14:47 GMT -6
Total Enrolment numbers doesn't matter here and is useless in this argument. You have to use football numbers, specifically. Curtis might have 1,600 less students than Ehret or WM, but the football numbers are quite the same. Curtis has over 200 boys at their school and field a team of about 110 kids, which is more than Ehret and comparable to WM. So, if Curtis gets all the top tier athletes in the area, then common sense should tell you that they should be putting more players on the All-State team than surrounding schools, who have the same number of football players, but gets lower-tier athletes, not less. I have to somewhat disagree that high school football games are won by great high school football players. That isn't the case most of the time. Teamwork, dedication, preparation and superior coaching wins games in more cases than talent does. Case in point, on paper, year after year, St. Augustine is more talented than Curtis, yet they can't beat them. Its easy for people, on the outside looking in, to say that Curtis has great football players, but my advice for those same people is to come to the school and watch practices of the incoming 8th grade and freshman classes and you will see than these aren't the greatest players or athletes in the area. Likewise, come to the lower school and watch the 4th, 5th, and 6th graders dress out in full pads and run the same exact plays as the high school over and over and over for an hour a day, 5 days a week. No, Curtis doesn't have the best players and athletes in the area, they are just great at what they do, and THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE MISS! As the great Michael Jordan said, “Talent wins games, but teamwork win championships.” Curtis is an efficient machine made up of superior coaching, hard work, relentless dedication, and a group of kids who puts teamwork above individual success, and anyone who uses them as an excuse as the catalyst is unfair and its an insult to the hard work those young men put in day after day and year after year on that practice field. I think you submarine your position in the first paragraph. The talent level is heavily influenced by the normal distribution of the student population. As I pointed out, compare JC and its population vs Northlake Christian, Pope John Paul, Newman, St. Martins etc. JCs OL and TE on offense and DL and some LBs look very little like the ones of the other teams I mentioned. That means that out of their 300 kids, they have a VASTLY greater number of kids with that strength/size/ and athleticism. Just a quick, back of the envelope calculation looking at at maxprep.com rosters. Obviously not 100% accurate, but just looking at Newman vs John Curtis's rosters. Curtis's avg height and weight for players # 50-79 is 6 1/4" and 241lbs. Newman averages 5'11 and 197lbs. Hannan High averages 5'11 184lbs. All three schools have similar total student enrollment. Are you suggesting that simply because Curtis fields a larger team, that this boosts their average height over an inch, and their average weight around 40lbs? Your statement about "football numbers" is inaccurate, because going out for football doesn't make one taller and significantly larger (40+pounds). "football numbers" come from the number of total enrolled students. Curtis has 1600 less students from which to draw their "football numbers" The normal distribution of that much smaller pool should result in much smaller (physically) humans. As you well know, it doesn't. I wouldn't use all-state voting as some measuring stick either. We all know sometimes the best players don't make it. Curtis wins bc their 10th player on down to about their 60th are better than everyone else's.
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Post by iamray on Aug 6, 2019 20:39:18 GMT -6
Bunch of fodder here. Come on, man. JC's success caused all of this. They routinely dominated teams in 4A and 5A - schools with student enrollments of 900-2,100 - while only having an enrollment of 300 themselves. St. Aug and Karr have only recently started sending all of these kids to DI schools. In fact, Karr's dominance started after the split. The all-state teams are voted on by the LSWA so that shouldn't play any roll in your reasoning. No way John Curtis should've been able to sustain the type of success they have with such a small enrollment there in River Ridge. No way. Willie Allen was taking two buses and walking 10 blocks to get to attend John Curtis. A Curtis coach found out and took the kid in and let him live with him and his family. If you think they would do that for any student you're crazy. No telling how many similar stories have taken place at JC. Willie Allen was 6'6 330, an LSU signee, and a perfect linemen for their offense. Come on, man. River Ridge is tiny. John Curtis deserves to be lumped into this split talk along with ECA. Another person on the outside looking in who has no clue what the hell goes on there, and just rather go with the easy explanation. Instead of going by what you've heard, why don't you come to the lower school and see for yourself what goes on. Quit believing crap you hear and come and see for yourself how this tiny school from River ridge maintains such great success year after year. Come to the lower school and watch the 4th, 5th, and 6th grade teams, in pull uniforms and pads, run the same plays that the high school runs day after day, 5 days a week. Come and watch the incoming 8th grade team and freshman team work their tails off even harder to perfect the same offense and defense they have been learning for 5 years. Curtis isn't filled with superstar athletes like people think, they are just great at what they do. People should come and see this for themselves, but they won't do that because it's easier to sit on their asses and point fingers. Read my response to Retired and then it all might start making sense to you. And to address your Willie Allen statement, You really need to read Willie's full story before you make simple comments about him taking 2 buses and walking 10 blocks to get to school. It wasn't as easy as that, but, once again, someone on the outside looking in, who is just repeating what you heard, instead of getting the full story. And if you think coaches wouldn't do the same for other kids who are in similar situations as Willie (which were more dire than a bus ride and walking) then you are the one who is crazy, because they have. You guys have no clue what goes on there and how this school help out the average student time after time, but I'll let you all wallow in your ignorance because you are happier dwelling there, Just the type of defensive deflection I expected. I've seen it firsthand, bro. That's why I said what I did. Was Willie Allen on one of the 4th or 5th grade teams? Nope. Your statement about the feeder school applies to most successful programs so to hell with that argument. What separates Curtis from everyone else is the players. To hell with your sanctimonious BS about coming to "see all the hard work from the 8th graders." Like I said, most programs work just as hard but haven't come close to the success of JC. Why? Players. A school with 300 students to make a team from should not be able to consistently dominate teams from enrollments of 1,000 - 2,000. Don't tell me they just work harder than every one else. Sell that bs to someone else. You're right. Curtis isn't filled with "superstar" athletes. That's why they go out and get the best they can in that area, i.e. Willie Allen. Willie had a terrible home situation. I get that. But I stated facts related directly to his football story at Curtis. If you don't like it, then your problem is with the truth. Go ahead and enlighten us, man. Tell me how many times football coaches at John Curtis have invited "average" students to live with them so that they can continue to attend school at John Curtis. Please, enlighten me because I'm sick of this sanctimonious BS about how they "work hard." Most teams work hard. Some just work hard with bigger and stronger players.
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Post by indy on Aug 6, 2019 20:55:01 GMT -6
Another person on the outside looking in who has no clue what the hell goes on there, and just rather go with the easy explanation. Instead of going by what you've heard, why don't you come to the lower school and see for yourself what goes on. Quit believing crap you hear and come and see for yourself how this tiny school from River ridge maintains such great success year after year. Come to the lower school and watch the 4th, 5th, and 6th grade teams, in pull uniforms and pads, run the same plays that the high school runs day after day, 5 days a week. Come and watch the incoming 8th grade team and freshman team work their tails off even harder to perfect the same offense and defense they have been learning for 5 years. Curtis isn't filled with superstar athletes like people think, they are just great at what they do. People should come and see this for themselves, but they won't do that because it's easier to sit on their asses and point fingers. Read my response to Retired and then it all might start making sense to you. And to address your Willie Allen statement, You really need to read Willie's full story before you make simple comments about him taking 2 buses and walking 10 blocks to get to school. It wasn't as easy as that, but, once again, someone on the outside looking in, who is just repeating what you heard, instead of getting the full story. And if you think coaches wouldn't do the same for other kids who are in similar situations as Willie (which were more dire than a bus ride and walking) then you are the one who is crazy, because they have. You guys have no clue what goes on there and how this school help out the average student time after time, but I'll let you all wallow in your ignorance because you are happier dwelling there, Just the type of defensive deflection I expected. I've seen it firsthand, bro. That's why I said what I did. Was Willie Allen on one of the 4th or 5th grade teams? Nope. Your statement about the feeder school applies to most successful programs so to hell with that argument. What separates Curtis from everyone else is the players. To hell with your sanctimonious BS about coming to "see all the hard work from the 8th graders." Like I said, most programs work just as hard but haven't come close to the success of JC. Why? Players. A school with 300 students to make a team from should not be able to consistently dominate teams from enrollments of 1,000 - 2,000. Don't tell me they just work harder than every one else. Sell that bs to someone else. You're right. Curtis isn't filled with "superstar" athletes. That's why they go out and get the best they can in that area, i.e. Willie Allen. Willie had a terrible home situation. I get that. But I stated facts related directly to his football story at Curtis. If you don't like it, then your problem is with the truth. Go ahead and enlighten us, man. Tell me how many times football coaches at John Curtis have invited "average" students to live with them so that they can continue to attend school at John Curtis. Please, enlighten me because I'm sick of this sanctimonious BS about how they "work hard." Most teams work hard. Some just work hard with bigger and stronger players. Most teams don’t work hard, sadly but true. It was an interesting read before you said that. Your animus towards JC is Is as obvious as other schools are toward Neville. Neville is the nemesis of others because of winning. I do agree with most of what you said. I defend ND as southplaq defends JC as you defend Neville.
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Post by thedomeranger on Aug 7, 2019 8:08:26 GMT -6
Just the type of defensive deflection I expected. I've seen it firsthand, bro. That's why I said what I did. Was Willie Allen on one of the 4th or 5th grade teams? Nope. Your statement about the feeder school applies to most successful programs so to hell with that argument. What separates Curtis from everyone else is the players. To hell with your sanctimonious BS about coming to "see all the hard work from the 8th graders." Like I said, most programs work just as hard but haven't come close to the success of JC. Why? Players. A school with 300 students to make a team from should not be able to consistently dominate teams from enrollments of 1,000 - 2,000. Don't tell me they just work harder than every one else. Sell that bs to someone else. You're right. Curtis isn't filled with "superstar" athletes. That's why they go out and get the best they can in that area, i.e. Willie Allen. Willie had a terrible home situation. I get that. But I stated facts related directly to his football story at Curtis. If you don't like it, then your problem is with the truth. Go ahead and enlighten us, man. Tell me how many times football coaches at John Curtis have invited "average" students to live with them so that they can continue to attend school at John Curtis. Please, enlighten me because I'm sick of this sanctimonious BS about how they "work hard." Most teams work hard. Some just work hard with bigger and stronger players. Most teams don’t work hard, sadly but true. It was an interesting read before you said that. Your animus towards JC is Is as obvious as other schools are toward Neville. Neville is the nemesis of others because of winning. I do agree with most of what you said. I defend ND as southplaq defends JC as you defend Neville. I always go back to when Acadiana played JC back in my high school days in the 70s. The thing that stuck with me regarding them was how they seemed to perform every little fundamental detail with precision. That is the effect of hard work and discipline (good coaching is a big part of that). Acadiana won that year because they just had more talent, they did not execute near as flawlessly as JC even though they also had great coaching.
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Post by indy on Aug 9, 2019 5:48:58 GMT -6
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Post by retired on Aug 9, 2019 20:00:57 GMT -6
HOnestly, I believe it is divided LHSAA. He is charged with trying to reunify, and I think he realizes that organizing a select group is a step towards more division, not less. I don't know how it will all play out, but with regards to quality leagues/associations, the schools classified as select need the schools classified as non select a lot more than the non selects need the selects. An organization made of just the non select schools where they can only play each other is not as good as a unified one. An organization of just select schools only playing each other would be pretty lacking.
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Post by indy on Aug 10, 2019 5:24:14 GMT -6
HOnestly, I believe it is divided LHSAA. He is charged with trying to reunify, and I think he realizes that organizing a select group is a step towards more division, not less. I don't know how it will all play out, but with regards to quality leagues/associations, the schools classified as select need the schools classified as non select a lot more than the non selects need the selects. An organization made of just the non select schools where they can only play each other is not as good as a unified one. An organization of just select schools only playing each other would be pretty lacking. The private schools have no intention to leave the LHSAA. They want it back to a unified playoff system. The LSA is simply to unify their voice and control the split playoffs which was forced upon them. Simply to make the best of of a stupid situation. Bonine should welcome this, but: 1 sponsorship dollars will be split.2 attendance at the dome will be down. 3 private schools will get a 10x compensation 4 all private schools could potentially share in the revenue. 5 it will lead to less revenue for the LHSAA which leads to pay cuts, layoffs, and unhappy members. It’s mostly about the money💰 it’s also about control. Bonine is scared poopless about losing control of his members and the MONEY
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