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Post by indy on Aug 3, 2019 17:39:29 GMT -6
Try this one on for size
ONLY FOOTBALL PLAYING SCHOOL IN A PARISH AND BE A PUBLIC SCHOOL. And let's be Many only allow enough kids who play sports but manipulate your enrollment as to stay 2a. At least Union is 3a.
Please tell me how in this scenario you would not have an advantage over every other school in the state who isn't also the same as you?
Every kid who wants to play football is allowed to come. No tuition. No transportation worry.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Aug 3, 2019 19:29:40 GMT -6
Try this one on for size
ONLY FOOTBALL PLAYING SCHOOL IN A PARISH AND BE A PUBLIC SCHOOL. And let's be Many only allow enough kids who play sports but manipulate your enrollment as to stay 2a. At least Union is 3a.
Please tell me how in this scenario you would not have an advantage over every other school in the state who isn't also the same as you?
Every kid who wants to play football is allowed to come. No tuition. No transportation worry.
and don't forget being in North LA where selects aren't in realistic driving distance, and in a class where a 5-5 record can get you a home playoff game
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Post by indy on Aug 3, 2019 20:57:03 GMT -6
But if you are located close to Sterlington, Neville, or West Monroe you will lose kids to them.
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Post by swlaprepfan on Aug 3, 2019 22:13:52 GMT -6
Try this one on for size
ONLY FOOTBALL PLAYING SCHOOL IN A PARISH AND BE A PUBLIC SCHOOL. And let's be Many only allow enough kids who play sports but manipulate your enrollment as to stay 2a. At least Union is 3a.
Please tell me how in this scenario you would not have an advantage over every other school in the state who isn't also the same as you?
Every kid who wants to play football is allowed to come. No tuition. No transportation worry.
Are they not allowing students who live inside the parish and want to play football to attend Many High?
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Post by indy on Aug 3, 2019 22:58:03 GMT -6
Of course not
Those kids are allowed to play for Many
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Post by btown on Aug 4, 2019 6:25:18 GMT -6
Try this one on for size
ONLY FOOTBALL PLAYING SCHOOL IN A PARISH AND BE A PUBLIC SCHOOL. And let's be Many only allow enough kids who play sports but manipulate your enrollment as to stay 2a. At least Union is 3a.
Please tell me how in this scenario you would not have an advantage over every other school in the state who isn't also the same as you?
Every kid who wants to play football is allowed to come. No tuition. No transportation worry.
I have a hard time following your comparison of Many and Union, when it comes to size. Union is the only high school in that parish and should be larger than Many. Sabine parish has 7 high schools.
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Post by indy on Aug 4, 2019 6:31:27 GMT -6
Try this one on for size
ONLY FOOTBALL PLAYING SCHOOL IN A PARISH AND BE A PUBLIC SCHOOL. And let's be Many only allow enough kids who play sports but manipulate your enrollment as to stay 2a. At least Union is 3a.
Please tell me how in this scenario you would not have an advantage over every other school in the state who isn't also the same as you?
Every kid who wants to play football is allowed to come. No tuition. No transportation worry.
I have a hard time following your comparison of Many and Union, when it comes to size. Union is the only high school in that parish and should be larger than Many. Sabine parish has 7 high schools. Sabine parish has 7 high schools with over 1,100 students. All of which (males) are eligible at Many which basically gives them the ability of a 4A school playing in 2A. Union has a smaller base than Many but plays a class higher.
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Post by btown on Aug 4, 2019 6:39:57 GMT -6
I have a hard time following your comparison of Many and Union, when it comes to size. Union is the only high school in that parish and should be larger than Many. Sabine parish has 7 high schools. Sabine parish has 7 high schools with over 1,100 students. All of which (males) are eligible at Many which basically gives them the ability of a 4A school playing in 2A. Union has a smaller base than Many but plays a class higher. Both Parishes have populations over 20,000. Does Union loose kids to out of parish schools? How many kids out of Union Parish go to Sterlington, just one example?
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Post by swlaprepfan on Aug 4, 2019 6:57:43 GMT -6
Of course not Those kids are allowed to play for Many Well then how are they manipulating enrollment numbers? The rules are clear that students who want to play football can attend Many. Other than being a football player, there is no guarantee.
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Post by indy on Aug 4, 2019 7:09:52 GMT -6
Sabine parish has 7 high schools with over 1,100 students. All of which (males) are eligible at Many which basically gives them the ability of a 4A school playing in 2A. Union has a smaller base than Many but plays a class higher. Both Parishes have populations over 20,000. Does Union loose kids to out of parish schools? How many kids out of Union Parish go to Sterlington, just one example? I’m sure they lose some to other parishes but union has a couple Christian schools and D’arbonne Woods Charter.
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Post by btown on Aug 4, 2019 8:14:07 GMT -6
I have a hard time following your comparison of Many and Union, when it comes to size. Union is the only high school in that parish and should be larger than Many. Sabine parish has 7 high schools. Sabine parish has 7 high schools with over 1,100 students. All of which (males) are eligible at Many which basically gives them the ability of a 4A school playing in 2A. Union has a smaller base than Many but plays a class higher. Let me make sure I am following you. A high school that has access to more than one school should be bigger than 2A?
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Post by btown on Aug 4, 2019 8:15:00 GMT -6
Both Parishes have populations over 20,000. Does Union loose kids to out of parish schools? How many kids out of Union Parish go to Sterlington, just one example? I’m sure they lose some to other parishes but union has a couple Christian schools and D’arbonne Woods Charter. Not Seven high schools.
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Post by indy on Aug 4, 2019 8:27:56 GMT -6
Sabine parish has 7 high schools with over 1,100 students. All of which (males) are eligible at Many which basically gives them the ability of a 4A school playing in 2A. Union has a smaller base than Many but plays a class higher. Let me make sure I am following you. A high school that has access to more than one school should be bigger than 2A? Maybe select?
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Post by btown on Aug 4, 2019 8:34:47 GMT -6
Let me make sure I am following you. A high school that has access to more than one school should be bigger than 2A? Maybe select? I have 2 questions Why were you comparing them to Union parish if you do not believe they should be bigger than 2A? How many kids play football at Many that are not in Many's school zone?
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Post by indy on Aug 4, 2019 10:02:53 GMT -6
In 2014 the FOI request indicated around 24 out of zone.
And as far as me mentioning Union it’s a case of accuse others of what you do. Private schools educate kids with about half of the allowance a public school gets so it’s hard to turn kids away. Many on the other hand can turn down all the kids they want to stay 2a.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Aug 4, 2019 12:07:59 GMT -6
I have a hard time following your comparison of Many and Union, when it comes to size. Union is the only high school in that parish and should be larger than Many. Sabine parish has 7 high schools. Sabine parish has 7 high schools with over 1,100 students. All of which (males) are eligible at Many which basically gives them the ability of a 4A school playing in 2A. Union has a smaller base than Many but plays a class higher. that's 7 votes for the split... And meanwhile if you're 1 school with 1,100 students, you get 1 vote
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Post by btown on Aug 4, 2019 12:39:35 GMT -6
In 2014 the FOI request indicated around 24 out of zone. And as far as me mentioning Union it’s a case of accuse others of what you do. Private schools educate kids with about half of the allowance a public school gets so it’s hard to turn kids away. Many on the other hand can turn down all the kids they want to stay 2a. Any public school can turn down any out of zone kids, for any reason. Just like a private school can turn down any kid to keep their school in a certain classification.
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Post by btown on Aug 4, 2019 12:43:31 GMT -6
Sabine parish has 7 high schools with over 1,100 students. All of which (males) are eligible at Many which basically gives them the ability of a 4A school playing in 2A. Union has a smaller base than Many but plays a class higher. that's 7 votes for the split... And meanwhile if you're 1 school with 1,100 students, you get 1 vote Why would that be 7 votes. Just because you are in the same parish does not mean you vote the same. The other schools in the parish are basketball schools, bet they are not happy losing their athletes to football school.
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Post by indy on Aug 4, 2019 12:50:15 GMT -6
In 2014 the FOI request indicated around 24 out of zone. And as far as me mentioning Union it’s a case of accuse others of what you do. Private schools educate kids with about half of the allowance a public school gets so it’s hard to turn kids away. Many on the other hand can turn down all the kids they want to stay 2a. Any public school can turn down any out of zone kids, for any reason. Just like a private school can turn down any kid to keep their school in a certain classification. I was visiting with a Louie a few days ago, I asked him in his 23 years at ND did they ever turn anyone away. He couldn’t recall any. I’ve spent my whole life involved there and I can’t recall ever hearing a whisper of it. But I’ve heard numerous accounts of the local public schools turning away students, probably out of zone like you said. But I’m certain you are correct that private schools can. And I’m guessing some do.
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Post by btown on Aug 4, 2019 12:53:29 GMT -6
Any public school can turn down any out of zone kids, for any reason. Just like a private school can turn down any kid to keep their school in a certain classification. I was visiting with a Louie a few days ago, I asked him in his 23 years at ND did they ever turn anyone away. He couldn’t recall any. I’ve spent my whole life involved there and I can’t recall ever hearing a whisper of it. But I’ve heard numerous accounts of the local public schools turning away students, probably out of zone like you said. But I’m certain you are correct that private schools can. And I’m guessing some do. What % of out of zone kids can make a non select school become select?
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Post by retired on Aug 4, 2019 12:56:30 GMT -6
Of course not Those kids are allowed to play for Many Well then how are they manipulating enrollment numbers? The rules are clear that students who want to play football can attend Many. Other than being a football player, there is no guarantee. It is all about the concept of classification and a normal distribution of athletes (football players) The idea being that the larger your student body, based on a normal distribution, the larger the pool of athletes from which to build a team. However, situations like Many High will skew the normal distribution because that enrollment is no longer a cross section of a 2A high school population. It is the cross section of a 2A population PLUS anyone else interested in playing football from the pool of athletes made of the other schools. Essentially, a cross section of a 4 or 5A population right?
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Post by retired on Aug 4, 2019 12:58:54 GMT -6
that's 7 votes for the split... And meanwhile if you're 1 school with 1,100 students, you get 1 vote Why would that be 7 votes. Just because you are in the same parish does not mean you vote the same. The other schools in the parish are basketball schools, bet they are not happy losing their athletes to football school. I don't know if that is necessarily the case. I am not familiar with their school system structure, but if the same school board and superintendent oversee all of the schools, It probably isn't that hard to imagine that they would vote as a block.
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Post by btown on Aug 4, 2019 13:00:58 GMT -6
Well then how are they manipulating enrollment numbers? The rules are clear that students who want to play football can attend Many. Other than being a football player, there is no guarantee. It is all about the concept of classification and a normal distribution of athletes (football players) The idea being that the larger your student body, based on a normal distribution, the larger the pool of athletes from which to build a team. However, situations like Many High will skew the normal distribution because that enrollment is no longer a cross section of a 2A high school population. It is the cross section of a 2A population PLUS anyone else interested in playing football from the pool of athletes made of the other schools. Essentially, a cross section of a 4 or 5A population right? Finally an explanation that makes sense.
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Post by btown on Aug 4, 2019 13:06:03 GMT -6
Why would that be 7 votes. Just because you are in the same parish does not mean you vote the same. The other schools in the parish are basketball schools, bet they are not happy losing their athletes to football school. I don't know if that is necessarily the case. I am not familiar with their school system structure, but if the same school board and superintendent oversee all of the schools, It probably isn't that hard to imagine that they would vote as a block. The other schools in the parish are what we call basketball schools. Some of those schools are very good at basketball, baseball and softball. So Many is not the only successfull school, athletics, in the parish. So kids are not always ready to jump ship just to play football. Normal a basketball school has had basketball beat into those kids for so long they want nothing to do with football. Not saying there are not any kids that want to play football.
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Post by indy on Aug 4, 2019 13:08:44 GMT -6
I was visiting with a Louie a few days ago, I asked him in his 23 years at ND did they ever turn anyone away. He couldn’t recall any. I’ve spent my whole life involved there and I can’t recall ever hearing a whisper of it. But I’ve heard numerous accounts of the local public schools turning away students, probably out of zone like you said. But I’m certain you are correct that private schools can. And I’m guessing some do. What % of out of zone kids can make a non select school become select? At first they never mentioned a number, then it was 25%. Who knows now. But shouldn’t a zone be a zone? And how can you enforce a rule that’s a moving target? I think I could accept a split if there were a valid reason and enforced rules. But we have revolving and evolving reasons for the split and rules that are selectively enforced
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Post by btown on Aug 4, 2019 13:15:35 GMT -6
What % of out of zone kids can make a non select school become select? At first they never mentioned a number, then it was 25%. Who knows now. But shouldn’t a zone be a zone? And how can you enforce a rule that’s a moving target? I think I could accept a split if there were a valid reason and enforced rules. But we have revolving and evolving reasons for the split and rules that are selectively enforced I hear what you saying, I have said it time and time again we are in the place we are today due to the failure of the LHSAA to properly, fairly enforce the rules and the failure to properly do investigations. To many people turning blind eyes. I also understand that you put it on the principals, but the people that work everyday in the LHSAA office are paid to do a job and they have failed.
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Post by indy on Aug 4, 2019 13:26:51 GMT -6
It amazed me how they’ll jump on the Notre Dame draws from 7 parishes and won’t accept how different factors stop that from happening but will point out that how few jump ship to Many for football. I know the Sabine parish schools have some good basketball but Many wins games too. It’s not like they can’t play basketball when they go or won’t win basketball games while there.
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Post by indy on Aug 4, 2019 13:32:06 GMT -6
Two things:
First it’s the job of the school board to enforce zones not the lhsaa. The LEA draws the lines and therefore it’s their responsibility to enforce them.
Second I know of several examples when one public school couldn’t turn the other public school in because of the dirt they had on each other. I’m not sure how’s that’s the private schools fault or the lhsaa’s fault
PS As we become more select as a society you will see more zone hoping and what not on both sides!
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Post by swlaprepfan on Aug 4, 2019 14:21:03 GMT -6
Well then how are they manipulating enrollment numbers? The rules are clear that students who want to play football can attend Many. Other than being a football player, there is no guarantee. It is all about the concept of classification and a normal distribution of athletes (football players) The idea being that the larger your student body, based on a normal distribution, the larger the pool of athletes from which to build a team. However, situations like Many High will skew the normal distribution because that enrollment is no longer a cross section of a 2A high school population. It is the cross section of a 2A population PLUS anyone else interested in playing football from the pool of athletes made of the other schools. Essentially, a cross section of a 4 or 5A population right? I understand the slight advantage that some schools have from being able to draw from non-football playing schools in the Parish, but nearly every public school under 3A benefits from these scenarios. I am asking how do they manipulate enrollment numbers, as they are being accused of? Are they not allowing people who want to play football to attend? Are they not allowing bad football players from inside the parish to attend? Other than that, I see no way they could be manipulating enrollment numbers to stay in double A.
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Post by indy on Aug 4, 2019 14:33:48 GMT -6
Many can turn down any out of zone kid they want.
They allow let in those who will play sports.
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