BSD
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Post by BSD on Nov 21, 2019 8:26:20 GMT -6
So my second question...... Why should athletes be omitted in finding better education? We are already S P L I T, we aren't gonna hinder you from winning a championship. So why punish the child? If it is investigated and found that RECRUITING did take place punish the school. Because the LHSAA has proven they don’t like to punish schools. If they would none of this would be an issue. There are to many loopholes in the system. And that Sir is where we totally agree! sounds like we don't have a School problem but a L H S A A problem!
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Post by BringingTruth on Nov 21, 2019 8:28:29 GMT -6
I don’t know how U lab is set up. Are they also under the school board system and receive public tax money but parents must Pay for their child to attend? I believe so.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 21, 2019 8:34:01 GMT -6
I don’t know how U lab is set up. Are they also under the school board system and receive public tax money but parents must Pay for their child to attend? I believe so. If that’s how it is set up then yes it was a private school. So my kids have attended both.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 21, 2019 8:36:55 GMT -6
Because the LHSAA has proven they don’t like to punish schools. If they would none of this would be an issue. There are to many loopholes in the system. And that Sir is where we totally agree! sounds like we don't have a School problem but a L H S A A problem! I do not remember the names of the 2 kids from Logansport that went to evangel many years ago, but had something been done at that time none of this would have never happened. Also had the LHSAA never made evangel and Curtis play down to their enrollment none of this would have happened. I realize it is a governing body and does what the majority wants but that is one vote that they should have vetoed and said no to.
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Post by FridaysDownSouth on Nov 21, 2019 9:28:04 GMT -6
I've heard grumblings from a very local private school parents that they are sick of paying the money they pay for their son to go to school at said private school only for him to not get the playing time that they give the kids that they "recruit" or give scholarships to.insert quote here
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Nov 21, 2019 9:49:16 GMT -6
I've heard grumblings from a very local private school parents that they are sick of paying the money they pay for their son to go to school at said private school only for him to not get the playing time that they give the kids that they "recruit" or give scholarships to. insert quote here Any parent that is paying tuition so that their kid gets playing time in football is a moron.
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Post by wshs on Nov 21, 2019 9:56:12 GMT -6
And that Sir is where we totally agree! sounds like we don't have a School problem but a L H S A A problem! I do not remember the names of the 2 kids from Logansport that went to evangel many years ago, but had something been done at that time none of this would have never happened. Also had the LHSAA never made evangel and Curtis play down to their enrollment none of this would have happened. I realize it is a governing body and does what the majority wants but that is one vote that they should have vetoed and said no to. Spot on with that one!! The split as we know it started gaining traction when Curtis and Evangel were forced to play down. It may have taken 8 years to finally reach that point but that's exactly why we all sit and here argue about it every day.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 21, 2019 10:02:52 GMT -6
I've heard grumblings from a very local private school parents that they are sick of paying the money they pay for their son to go to school at said private school only for him to not get the playing time that they give the kids that they "recruit" or give scholarships to. insert quote here Any parent that is paying tuition so that their kid gets playing time in football is a moron. I’m willing to bet my paycheck there are plenty of parents who enroll their children in privates schools so their kids can get playing time. There are probably plenty of kids who couldn’t get playing time a local 4a school but are a stud at the 1a private school.
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Post by wshs on Nov 21, 2019 10:07:25 GMT -6
Can we also raise our hands if we know of athletes who’s have gotten in private schools who’s families could not afford it and were placed on scholarship? I do not think schools should be allowed to do scholarships and bring in kids who can’t afford it. I know of a private school who had a D1 baseball player on scholarship and 3 families split his tuition (I was asked to help pay it). Another Football player “transferred” in after scoring 4 TDS and rushing for 200+ plus yards against this team and magically “lived” in a boosters rental house. How does it affect you if a kid gets a scholarship to attend a private school? Isn’t that less taxes for you? Not arguing either sides point on this statement. But I can guarantee regardless of whether a kid goes public / private it will have no impact on how much taxes any of us pay. Guess maybe it will give our government a little more to waste.
Government going to get theirs!!
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Post by wshs on Nov 21, 2019 10:13:22 GMT -6
Any parent that is paying tuition so that their kid gets playing time in football is a moron. I’m willing to bet my paycheck there are plenty of parents who enroll their children in privates schools so their kids can get playing time. There are probably plenty of kids who couldn’t get playing time a local 4a school but are a stud at the 1a private school. Yes probably, but that happens with kids moving public to public as well. We have kids that love basketball but know they wouldn't see the court at so they move to the small outlier schools.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Nov 21, 2019 10:17:58 GMT -6
Any parent that is paying tuition so that their kid gets playing time in football is a moron. I’m willing to bet my paycheck there are plenty of parents who enroll their children in privates schools so their kids can get playing time. There are probably plenty of kids who couldn’t get playing time a local 4a school but are a stud at the 1a private school. I’m not disputing that it happens. It’s just something to add to the list of ridiculous things people do.
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Post by pinion on Nov 21, 2019 10:27:56 GMT -6
Can we also raise our hands if we know of athletes who’s have gotten in private schools who’s families could not afford it and were placed on scholarship? I do not think schools should be allowed to do scholarships and bring in kids who can’t afford it. I know of a private school who had a D1 baseball player on scholarship and 3 families split his tuition (I was asked to help pay it). Another Football player “transferred” in after scoring 4 TDS and rushing for 200+ plus yards against this team and magically “lived” in a boosters rental house. I don't have a problem with scholarships at private schools. To me, it's not really that much different than kids attending a public school. By that, I mean the family isn't paying for it at either private or public school. When they go to a public school, taxes pay for it and we send a bus to take them to and from school. When they go to a private school, again, the burden of payment is on other people, if they're on scholarship, and transportation is generally left up to the kid and/or his/her family. While all this is happening at private schools, the public schools are still collecting tax money from the people that are paying for the kid to be at the private school. When we had ours at Evangel, we still had to pay taxes that went to the public schools, it's not like we became exempt from paying that taxes. Not to mention that when kids are on scholarship, that amount is considered "income" and the family has to be pay taxes on it.
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Post by BringingTruth on Nov 21, 2019 10:31:13 GMT -6
I've heard grumblings from a very local private school parents that they are sick of paying the money they pay for their son to go to school at said private school only for him to not get the playing time that they give the kids that they "recruit" or give scholarships to. insert quote here Chances are that kid wouldn't play at a public school either then. So do they just pay their money so their kid can get playing time in football?
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Post by BringingTruth on Nov 21, 2019 10:32:00 GMT -6
I've heard grumblings from a very local private school parents that they are sick of paying the money they pay for their son to go to school at said private school only for him to not get the playing time that they give the kids that they "recruit" or give scholarships to. insert quote here Any parent that is paying tuition so that their kid gets playing time in football is a moron. So true. There's always those parents that politic their way through everything so there kid can play. Happens way too much in private schools.
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Post by BringingTruth on Nov 21, 2019 10:32:44 GMT -6
Any parent that is paying tuition so that their kid gets playing time in football is a moron. I’m willing to bet my paycheck there are plenty of parents who enroll their children in privates schools so their kids can get playing time. There are probably plenty of kids who couldn’t get playing time a local 4a school but are a stud at the 1a private school. But I thought private schools were so much better than public schools? They got kicked out, remember?
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Post by wildcat on Nov 21, 2019 10:49:41 GMT -6
I’m willing to bet my paycheck there are plenty of parents who enroll their children in privates schools so their kids can get playing time. There are probably plenty of kids who couldn’t get playing time a local 4a school but are a stud at the 1a private school. But I thought private schools were so much better than public schools? They got kicked out, remember? A back up at a good 4a/5a school can be dominate at the 1a/2a level.
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Post by BringingTruth on Nov 21, 2019 10:52:07 GMT -6
But I thought private schools were so much better than public schools? They got kicked out, remember? A back up at a good 4a/5a school can be dominate at the 1a/2a level. You must be referring to St. Mary's or St. Edmunds or ED White.
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Post by BSD on Nov 21, 2019 10:55:30 GMT -6
A back up at a good 4a/5a school can be dominate at the 1a/2a level. You must be referring to St. Mary's or St. Edmunds or ED White. Almost the whole starting 22 at LCA can start at the 4A and 5A level. A couple would dominate!
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Post by BringingTruth on Nov 21, 2019 11:06:30 GMT -6
You must be referring to St. Mary's or St. Edmunds or ED White. Almost the whole starting 22 at LCA can start at the 4A and 5A level. A couple would dominate! Yea no idea who he's talking about. Our school would beat anyone in this city.
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Post by wshs on Nov 21, 2019 11:07:29 GMT -6
I have a niece that was more or less turned away from a private school. She is special needs and they were not equipped to work with her circumstances. They did not come right out and say "we won't take her" but they made it clear that they were not equipped to properly educate her. But that wasn't me directly, so I really cannot swear on a bible that what I was told was said. But it was my brother and wife, so I have a pretty good idea that what I was told was what was said. Evangel isn't set up to take on special needs children. My niece has Down Syndrome. She's 20 now. But when she was school age, my brother/sisNlaw did look into putting her into ECA due to negative experiences with Caddo Schools. ECA couldn't take her and she ended up back in a Caddo school. 2 months into it, she was stuttering and had reverted back to chewing/sucking on her tongue all the time. They ended up moving to East Texas and she finished school there. No longer stutters or chews on her tongue. So yes, I did have a family member turned away. But I do feel like it was the right move as they just were not in a place to take on children with specials needs like my niece. Glad she got in a better place. In Lafayette Parish, the public schools are equipped with programs for special needs kids. Most, if not all, privates are not. I know people that send special needs kids to public and their siblings to private because of that. I have to respect the fact that private schools admit when they can't provide the care needed for special needs children instead of just taking the parents $$$ and throwing them somewhere. I respect the fact that private schools set standards for children enrolling to their school.
At the same time its hard for me to understand why this isn't viewed as an advantage for privates in sports.
If privates aren't equipped to give care to special needs children then by all means they shouldn't accept them. If the privates have standards their students must meet in order to attend, by all means they shouldn't let children with poor grades and disciplinary problems enroll. But because public schools are funded by all of us, they have to accept all. They have to provide care for special needs. They have to accept kids with disciplinary problems. They have to accept kids that can't make the grades (some cant even read or write). They have to accept the kids whose parents don't care. Thing is, regardless of what type of kids you have enrolled, they go towards your schools enrollment. They affect which classification you play in.
Think of it like this:
Private School Enrollment-- 400 How many of these kids could play football if they so choose??
Special needs- 0 Poor grades- 0? Other issues (Parents/ disciplinary)-- 0? Boys/ Girls-- Is it 50/50 split??
Public School Enrolment-- 400 How many of these kids could play football if they so choose? Special needs-- 30-40 Poor Grades-- 50-75 Other issues--- 50 Boys/ Girls-- 50/50 split
This isn't me complaining. I'm a public school guy and I realize the numbers are what they are. I can recognize that publics have an advantage over privates by not having to worry to much about the financial side of things (keeping the lights on so to speak). I can recognize that some publics have advantages over other publics and privates geographically and population wise. But I don't understand when looking at the numbers why so many private school guys can't see the advantages.
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Post by BringingTruth on Nov 21, 2019 11:13:17 GMT -6
Glad she got in a better place. In Lafayette Parish, the public schools are equipped with programs for special needs kids. Most, if not all, privates are not. I know people that send special needs kids to public and their siblings to private because of that. I have to respect the fact that private schools admit when they can't provide the care needed for special needs children instead of just taking the parents $$$ and throwing them somewhere. I respect the fact that private schools set standards for children enrolling to their school.
At the same time its hard for me to understand why this isn't viewed as an advantage for privates in sports.
If privates aren't equipped to give care to special needs children then by all means they shouldn't accept them. If the privates have standards their students must meet in order to attend, by all means they shouldn't let children with poor grades and disciplinary problems enroll. But because public schools are funded by all of us, they have to accept all. They have to provide care for special needs. They have to accept kids with disciplinary problems. They have to accept kids that can't make the grades (some cant even read or write). They have to accept the kids whose parents don't care. Thing is, regardless of what type of kids you have enrolled, they go towards your schools enrollment. They affect which classification you play in.
Think of it like this:
Private School Enrollment-- 400 How many of these kids could play football if they so choose??
Special needs- 0 Poor grades- 0? Other issues (Parents/ disciplinary)-- 0? Boys/ Girls-- Is it 50/50 split??
Public School Enrolment-- 400 How many of these kids could play football if they so choose? Special needs-- 30-40 Poor Grades-- 50-75 Other issues--- 50 Boys/ Girls-- 50/50 split
This isn't me complaining. I'm a public school guy and I realize the numbers are what they are. I can recognize that publics have an advantage over privates by not having to worry to much about the financial side of things (keeping the lights on so to speak). I can recognize that some publics have advantages over other publics and privates geographically and population wise. But I don't understand when looking at the numbers why so many private school guys can't see the advantages.
Great post. Just like in life and anything we encounter day to day, there are advantages and disadvantages. Public schools have advantages over privates and privates have advantages over publics. The split created an advantage for some public schools over other public schools. That's what it boils down to. I'll let you all figure out who has the advantage now and how the split was pushed through.
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Post by wshs on Nov 21, 2019 11:34:28 GMT -6
But I thought private schools were so much better than public schools? They got kicked out, remember? A back up at a good 4a/5a school can be dominate at the 1a/2a level. I have to disagree with that one. Winnfield's been pretty irrelevant for the last six years or so but I have seen at least 20 kids come through over the last 25 years that would have taken the #1's spot on just about any team in the state . On the flip side, wasn't many #1's from other schools going to take their place.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Nov 21, 2019 11:51:05 GMT -6
Glad she got in a better place. In Lafayette Parish, the public schools are equipped with programs for special needs kids. Most, if not all, privates are not. I know people that send special needs kids to public and their siblings to private because of that. I have to respect the fact that private schools admit when they can't provide the care needed for special needs children instead of just taking the parents $$$ and throwing them somewhere. I respect the fact that private schools set standards for children enrolling to their school.
At the same time its hard for me to understand why this isn't viewed as an advantage for privates in sports.
If privates aren't equipped to give care to special needs children then by all means they shouldn't accept them. If the privates have standards their students must meet in order to attend, by all means they shouldn't let children with poor grades and disciplinary problems enroll. But because public schools are funded by all of us, they have to accept all. They have to provide care for special needs. They have to accept kids with disciplinary problems. They have to accept kids that can't make the grades (some cant even read or write). They have to accept the kids whose parents don't care. Thing is, regardless of what type of kids you have enrolled, they go towards your schools enrollment. They affect which classification you play in.
Think of it like this:
Private School Enrollment-- 400 How many of these kids could play football if they so choose??
Special needs- 0 Poor grades- 0? Other issues (Parents/ disciplinary)-- 0? Boys/ Girls-- Is it 50/50 split??
Public School Enrolment-- 400 How many of these kids could play football if they so choose? Special needs-- 30-40 Poor Grades-- 50-75 Other issues--- 50 Boys/ Girls-- 50/50 split
This isn't me complaining. I'm a public school guy and I realize the numbers are what they are. I can recognize that publics have an advantage over privates by not having to worry to much about the financial side of things (keeping the lights on so to speak). I can recognize that some publics have advantages over other publics and privates geographically and population wise. But I don't understand when looking at the numbers why so many private school guys can't see the advantages.
You make some good points here. But at the same time, it only makes a difference to those private schools that are right on the verge of a higher classification enrollment. Not to mention that a large number of private schools play up from their actual enrollment.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Nov 21, 2019 11:59:35 GMT -6
To add to my prior post, what a lot of private school haters don’t seem to understand is that private schools are actually just that...schools. Enrollment isn’t based on what classification their sports teams will play in. It’s mostly based on classroom space and the number of teachers/faculty. In some cases, it’s based on taking whomever they can get that will pay tuition so there’s enough money to keep the doors open
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Post by wshs on Nov 21, 2019 12:18:08 GMT -6
I have to respect the fact that private schools admit when they can't provide the care needed for special needs children instead of just taking the parents $$$ and throwing them somewhere. I respect the fact that private schools set standards for children enrolling to their school.
At the same time its hard for me to understand why this isn't viewed as an advantage for privates in sports.
If privates aren't equipped to give care to special needs children then by all means they shouldn't accept them. If the privates have standards their students must meet in order to attend, by all means they shouldn't let children with poor grades and disciplinary problems enroll. But because public schools are funded by all of us, they have to accept all. They have to provide care for special needs. They have to accept kids with disciplinary problems. They have to accept kids that can't make the grades (some cant even read or write). They have to accept the kids whose parents don't care. Thing is, regardless of what type of kids you have enrolled, they go towards your schools enrollment. They affect which classification you play in.
Think of it like this:
Private School Enrollment-- 400 How many of these kids could play football if they so choose??
Special needs- 0 Poor grades- 0? Other issues (Parents/ disciplinary)-- 0? Boys/ Girls-- Is it 50/50 split??
Public School Enrolment-- 400 How many of these kids could play football if they so choose? Special needs-- 30-40 Poor Grades-- 50-75 Other issues--- 50 Boys/ Girls-- 50/50 split
This isn't me complaining. I'm a public school guy and I realize the numbers are what they are. I can recognize that publics have an advantage over privates by not having to worry to much about the financial side of things (keeping the lights on so to speak). I can recognize that some publics have advantages over other publics and privates geographically and population wise. But I don't understand when looking at the numbers why so many private school guys can't see the advantages.
You make some good points here. But at the same time, it only makes a difference to those private schools that are right on the verge of a higher classification enrollment. Not to mention that a large number of private schools play up from their actual enrollment. But it also makes a difference to those publics that are on the verge of a higher classification. Large number of privates play up, but a large number don't.
Point I was trying to make was a 2a private school with 400 kids is going to have alot more kids available to play sports than a 2a public. If the private can't accept special needs children and you require the kids attending to meet certain academic/ discipline standards to enroll than the public school is always going to be behind the 8 ball on the amount of children available to participate in any sport.
Like I said earlier, I'm not complaining, just trying to point out there is a difference regardless of the fact that the enrollment numbers are the same.
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Post by wshs on Nov 21, 2019 12:23:03 GMT -6
To add to my prior post, what a lot of private school haters don’t seem to understand is that private schools are actually just that...schools. Enrollment isn’t based on what classification their sports teams will play in. It’s mostly based on classroom space and the number of teachers/faculty. In some cases, it’s based on taking whomever they can get that will pay tuition so there’s enough money to keep the doors open I totally agree with you. I brought that point up yesterday. Schools are privately funded and have to be ran like a business. Sometimes that means having to turn kids away in order to do what's best for the school. For some reason a lot of private school guys took what I said the wrong way.
Thing is if a private is on the brink of being full and they had one spot open and two kids show up which one they going to choose? The great athlete with good grades? Or the problem child? It's a no brainer. The problem child ends up the public school.
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Post by pinion on Nov 21, 2019 12:54:22 GMT -6
Glad she got in a better place. In Lafayette Parish, the public schools are equipped with programs for special needs kids. Most, if not all, privates are not. I know people that send special needs kids to public and their siblings to private because of that. I have to respect the fact that private schools admit when they can't provide the care needed for special needs children instead of just taking the parents $$$ and throwing them somewhere. I respect the fact that private schools set standards for children enrolling to their school.
At the same time its hard for me to understand why this isn't viewed as an advantage for privates in sports.
If privates aren't equipped to give care to special needs children then by all means they shouldn't accept them. If the privates have standards their students must meet in order to attend, by all means they shouldn't let children with poor grades and disciplinary problems enroll. But because public schools are funded by all of us, they have to accept all. They have to provide care for special needs. They have to accept kids with disciplinary problems. They have to accept kids that can't make the grades (some cant even read or write). They have to accept the kids whose parents don't care. Thing is, regardless of what type of kids you have enrolled, they go towards your schools enrollment. They affect which classification you play in.
Think of it like this:
Private School Enrollment-- 400 How many of these kids could play football if they so choose??
Special needs- 0 Poor grades- 0? Other issues (Parents/ disciplinary)-- 0? Boys/ Girls-- Is it 50/50 split??
Public School Enrolment-- 400 How many of these kids could play football if they so choose? Special needs-- 30-40 Poor Grades-- 50-75 Other issues--- 50 Boys/ Girls-- 50/50 split
This isn't me complaining. I'm a public school guy and I realize the numbers are what they are. I can recognize that publics have an advantage over privates by not having to worry to much about the financial side of things (keeping the lights on so to speak). I can recognize that some publics have advantages over other publics and privates geographically and population wise. But I don't understand when looking at the numbers why so many private school guys can't see the advantages.
I think the issue is that it's not really an advantage that makes its way onto the field. But let's just assume that it does create an on-field advantage for private schools: Public school A has a total enrollment of 500 kids with 50 of those being special needs. Private school A has a total enrollment of 500 kids with 0 being special needs. With 500 kids, that would put each school in 3A. Let's subtract those 50 special needs kids from PublicSchool A, since they are not able (assuming here) to compete in sports. That puts the school with a sporting enrollment of 450. Still 3A. Instead of doing that, counting the kids that are able to play, we've ended up with dividing everything up. The easier solution would have been to just not count the kids that are unable to play. That would make more sense than what we did do. We could have added a multiplier to the private schools as a means of evening those numbers up. Nobody was interested in that on the public side of things. Only to divide things up. For me personally, I don't see the special needs kids things as an advantage that is certainly felt on the field. But I'm willing to accept that you may. and I'm willing to only count sporting kids or multiply enrollment for private schools. Those are workable solutions if that's actually what you're trying to resolve. However, the public school folks were not looking to resolve that perceived advantage. At the end of the day, the public schools wanted to split and they were not going to have it any other way. Split or split; that was what they were bringing to the table. They did not want to compromise anything other than a split. The biggest problem with all of this has been the public schools not coming out and say what their issue was/is. The cheeky fellow from Many wanted to accuse private schools of cheating and regularly went on tour with his lies. Some people mentioned things like having to take special needs kids or not as being the issue. Some mentioned whom was paying for kids to attend private schools as the issue. And so on. Really, there have been a lot of reasons carted out. and I'm still left feeling like we never really got the truth of why public schools really wanted the split. The reason why I feel like we never got that truth is because for everything carted out as a "reason", there was a real and workable solution or compromise and the public school folk simply refused to even entertain the discussion. Which tells me it's something else.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Nov 21, 2019 12:55:06 GMT -6
Response to wshs:
No doubt. The question is, do they take the student with good grades or the athlete that’s a problem child?
My guess is that many of the private school haters would get the answer wrong.
Good discussion man. I think we agree on most things we are discussing here. And FYI, I’m not referring to you as one of the private school haters.
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Post by wshs on Nov 21, 2019 13:11:02 GMT -6
Response to wshs: No doubt. The question is, do they take the student with good grades or the athlete that’s a problem child? My guess is that many of the private school haters would get the answer wrong. Good discussion man. I think we agree on most things we are discussing here. And FYI, I’m not referring to you as one of the private school haters. Good to have honest and civil conversations. I'm a Winnfield supporter to the core which turns many people off because our admin gets hated on by most. But as hard as it is to believe I agree even with Indy on a lot of things lol.
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Post by wshs on Nov 21, 2019 13:26:42 GMT -6
I have to respect the fact that private schools admit when they can't provide the care needed for special needs children instead of just taking the parents $$$ and throwing them somewhere. I respect the fact that private schools set standards for children enrolling to their school.
At the same time its hard for me to understand why this isn't viewed as an advantage for privates in sports.
If privates aren't equipped to give care to special needs children then by all means they shouldn't accept them. If the privates have standards their students must meet in order to attend, by all means they shouldn't let children with poor grades and disciplinary problems enroll. But because public schools are funded by all of us, they have to accept all. They have to provide care for special needs. They have to accept kids with disciplinary problems. They have to accept kids that can't make the grades (some cant even read or write). They have to accept the kids whose parents don't care. Thing is, regardless of what type of kids you have enrolled, they go towards your schools enrollment. They affect which classification you play in.
Think of it like this:
Private School Enrollment-- 400 How many of these kids could play football if they so choose??
Special needs- 0 Poor grades- 0? Other issues (Parents/ disciplinary)-- 0? Boys/ Girls-- Is it 50/50 split??
Public School Enrolment-- 400 How many of these kids could play football if they so choose? Special needs-- 30-40 Poor Grades-- 50-75 Other issues--- 50 Boys/ Girls-- 50/50 split
This isn't me complaining. I'm a public school guy and I realize the numbers are what they are. I can recognize that publics have an advantage over privates by not having to worry to much about the financial side of things (keeping the lights on so to speak). I can recognize that some publics have advantages over other publics and privates geographically and population wise. But I don't understand when looking at the numbers why so many private school guys can't see the advantages.
I think the issue is that it's not really an advantage that makes its way onto the field. But let's just assume that it does create an on-field advantage for private schools: Public school A has a total enrollment of 500 kids with 50 of those being special needs. Private school A has a total enrollment of 500 kids with 0 being special needs. With 500 kids, that would put each school in 3A. Let's subtract those 50 special needs kids from PublicSchool A, since they are not able (assuming here) to compete in sports. That puts the school with a sporting enrollment of 450. Still 3A. Instead of doing that, counting the kids that are able to play, we've ended up with dividing everything up. The easier solution would have been to just not count the kids that are unable to play. That would make more sense than what we did do. We could have added a multiplier to the private schools as a means of evening those numbers up. Nobody was interested in that on the public side of things. Only to divide things up. For me personally, I don't see the special needs kids things as an advantage that is certainly felt on the field. But I'm willing to accept that you may. and I'm willing to only count sporting kids or multiply enrollment for private schools. Those are workable solutions if that's actually what you're trying to resolve. However, the public school folks were not looking to resolve that perceived advantage. At the end of the day, the public schools wanted to split and they were not going to have it any other way. Split or split; that was what they were bringing to the table. They did not want to compromise anything other than a split. The biggest problem with all of this has been the public schools not coming out and say what their issue was/is. The cheeky fellow from Many wanted to accuse private schools of cheating and regularly went on tour with his lies. Some people mentioned things like having to take special needs kids or not as being the issue. Some mentioned whom was paying for kids to attend private schools as the issue. And so on. Really, there have been a lot of reasons carted out. and I'm still left feeling like we never really got the truth of why public schools really wanted the split. The reason why I feel like we never got that truth is because for everything carted out as a "reason", there was a real and workable solution or compromise and the public school folk simply refused to even entertain the discussion. Which tells me it's something else. When you lay the numbers out as you have described, no it really doesn't make much of a difference. But when you are talking about a public school that floats between 3a and 2a then those numbers do matter a lot. Even if it wouldn't affect classification it would still be an advantage for one school to have 50 more kids able to play ball if they so choose don't you think?
The split really started gaining traction after the privates were forced to play down. I've heard a hundred different reasons to the contrary but that was the main driver. It definitely wasn't Curtis beating Winnfield by 30 in the dome in 2011. Our admin started making the push several years before that. I'm sure I'm about to have some haters for making that comment but oh well. When Curtis started raining on the large publics parade they were forced down.
I don't want to come off as insensitive. Providing care for special needs children comes way before any of this sporting nonsense we jab back and forth about. A lot of these kids stay enrolled in the public school system until they are 22 years old. That's 8 years they are on the enrollment. I personally wished they were allowed to stay longer. I'm from a small rural public school and I've seen firsthand how well the other kids treat the special needs children and how well they get them involved.
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