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Post by airraid on Feb 25, 2021 13:10:13 GMT -6
Madison Prep won the 3A state championship in Football. They are the number one seed in both boys and girls basketball. Seems like a great accomplishment, that is, until you realize they have open enrollment for all of EBR parish (Largest Parish in Louisiana). Obviously, this is an unfair advantage when you consider that they are playing in the public school side. How is this any different than the unfair advantages of private schools that led to the split in 2013? If we are going to hold privates accountable for the unfair advantages they have/had - why would we let publics experience those advantages and not be moved to the Select/Private side. The LHSAA needs to address this soon.
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Post by tigerfan7997 on Feb 25, 2021 14:11:43 GMT -6
Madison Prep won the 3A state championship in Football. They are the number one seed in both boys and girls basketball. Seems like a great accomplishment, that is, until you realize they have open enrollment for all of EBR parish (Largest Parish in Louisiana). Obviously, this is an unfair advantage when you consider that they are playing in the public school side. How is this any different than the unfair advantages of private schools that led to the split in 2013? If we are going to hold privates accountable for the unfair advantages they have/had - why would we let publics experience those advantages and not be moved to the Select/Private side. The LHSAA needs to address this soon. I believe their is a certain Percentage that has to be out of zone to be considered (SELECT), A few NO teams, and some Rapides parish schools are also in question due to OPEN ENROLMENT in those parishes... I know some of the NO teams threatened to sue the LHSAA if they were put in select... Also Teams Like Union Parish, Many, Kinder to name a few.... have schools in the Area that do not play football, and the kids can SELECT to go there and play... Seems like their numbers should be PARISH numbers if they are the only school with football...,or every kid that is out of zone should count as 4.... that would help with the disparity... because they are basically pulling from 1000's of students in that parish. IF they are the only public option to play football
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Post by kbanes on Feb 25, 2021 15:32:38 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure that the difference is that Madison Prep has to accept any student that applies for entry. They have no requirements, nor can they turn a student away, unless they are full.
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Post by gatemouth on Feb 26, 2021 12:14:45 GMT -6
Thought: How about we stop making rules to "select" away all the competition and actually try to beat the best team in the state?
So what if Oak Grove has however many thousand kids to choose from and still plays in 1-A? So what if Neville has kids living in every school zone within a 50 mile radius?
You think every state champion up till 1991 was playing strictly by the rules? Keep dreaming.
You wanna be the man, beat the man. End the split and lets play ball.
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Post by retired on Feb 26, 2021 12:56:51 GMT -6
Thought: How about we stop making rules to "select" away all the competition and actually try to beat the best team in the state? So what if Oak Grove has however many thousand kids to choose from and still plays in 1-A? So what if Neville has kids living in every school zone within a 50 mile radius? You think every state champion up till 1991 was playing strictly by the rules? Keep dreaming. You wanna be the man, beat the man. End the split and lets play ball. Why stop there?? How about we quit trying to classify schools based on enrollment. Why separate the competition by something arbitrary like enrollment? One bracket, one winner- best in the state. Who cares if Welsh or Iowa only have a couple of hundred kids- you only need 11 to play!!!. They need to be on the field with Acadiana and Karr and West Monroe and Zachary. You wanna be the man, beat the man!
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Post by obc on Feb 26, 2021 14:26:03 GMT -6
Let's be honest: whether there is select/nonselect or everybody together, the reality is that there are only a handful of schools who have a realistic chance of winning state championships on a yearly basis. A school will occasionally come out of nowhere and make a run, but you can usually name the contenders months before the season starts. And that probably won't change, no matter how the schools are divided.
Unless, of course, a school decides to massage the rules to get athletes.
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Post by retired on Feb 26, 2021 19:21:00 GMT -6
Let's be honest: whether there is select/nonselect or everybody together, the reality is that there are only a handful of schools who have a realistic chance of winning state championships on a yearly basis. A school will occasionally come out of nowhere and make a run, but you can usually name the contenders months before the season starts. And that probably won't change, no matter how the schools are divided. Unless, of course, a school decides to massage the rules to get athletes. There is a great deal of truth to this. Also, I would suggest that most of the teams in that handful don't operate like traditional neighborhood schools, whether they are classified select or non select. I believe that is actually the biggest issue. Not "the split" but rather how schools are classified in the split. I honestly think that many more would be OK with a split if it did indeed separate schools that only have players living within certain boundaries vs schools with various degrees of open enrollment and created two different classes. What it seems to have done though is separate private schools and a few publics that have open enrollment from OTHER publics with some open enrollment benefits and traditional neighborhood schools.
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Post by junctionboy on Feb 26, 2021 19:25:06 GMT -6
EBR is NOT open enrollment.
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Post by retired on Feb 26, 2021 19:32:57 GMT -6
EBR is NOT open enrollment. But is Madison Prep? From their website : "Madison Preparatory is a state funded charter school, therefore any student in East Baton Rouge Parish interested in attending Madison can apply to attend during the enrollment period for the upcoming school year. Please call for more information." (Emphasis added)
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Feb 26, 2021 19:40:40 GMT -6
EBR is NOT open enrollment. But is Madison Prep? From their website : "Madison Preparatory is a state funded charter school, therefore any student in East Baton Rouge Parish interested in attending Madison can apply to attend during the enrollment period for the upcoming school year. Please call for more information." (Emphasis added) And they absolutely can deny students. I personally know a kid who was not accepted.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Feb 26, 2021 19:43:12 GMT -6
Let's be honest: whether there is select/nonselect or everybody together, the reality is that there are only a handful of schools who have a realistic chance of winning state championships on a yearly basis. A school will occasionally come out of nowhere and make a run, but you can usually name the contenders months before the season starts. And that probably won't change, no matter how the schools are divided. Unless, of course, a school decides to massage the rules to get athletes. There is a great deal of truth to this. Also, I would suggest that most of the teams in that handful don't operate like traditional neighborhood schools, whether they are classified select or non select. I believe that is actually the biggest issue. Not "the split" but rather how schools are classified in the split. I honestly think that many more would be OK with a split if it did indeed separate schools that only have players living within certain boundaries vs schools with various degrees of open enrollment and created two different classes. What it seems to have done though is separate private schools and a few publics that have open enrollment from OTHER publics with some open enrollment benefits and traditional neighborhood schools. it’s all about the 25% living out of zone to still be nonselect. That number is way too high; For a 5A school, that’s hundreds of kids. Even in a class C school, that’s enough kids to bring in a whole basketball team. The number needs to be 5% or lower
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Post by retired on Feb 26, 2021 19:44:17 GMT -6
But is Madison Prep? From their website : "Madison Preparatory is a state funded charter school, therefore any student in East Baton Rouge Parish interested in attending Madison can apply to attend during the enrollment period for the upcoming school year. Please call for more information." (Emphasis added) And they absolutely can deny students. I personally know a kid who was not accepted. Their website say they are prepared to accept 150 incoming freshmen.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Feb 26, 2021 19:53:09 GMT -6
And they absolutely can deny students. I personally know a kid who was not accepted. Their website say they are prepared to accept 150 incoming freshmen. Kid I’m talking about is currently a sopre. So this was two years ago
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Post by indy on Feb 26, 2021 19:53:46 GMT -6
Madison Prep won the 3A state championship in Football. They are the number one seed in both boys and girls basketball. Seems like a great accomplishment, that is, until you realize they have open enrollment for all of EBR parish (Largest Parish in Louisiana). Obviously, this is an unfair advantage when you consider that they are playing in the public school side. How is this any different than the unfair advantages of private schools that led to the split in 2013? If we are going to hold privates accountable for the unfair advantages they have/had - why would we let publics experience those advantages and not be moved to the Select/Private side. The LHSAA needs to address this soon. Oak Grove won 1A, Sabine parish won 2A, Carencro won 4A, Acadiana won 5A all of which have open enrollment, seems like a common denominator for winning.
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Post by retired on Feb 26, 2021 19:56:08 GMT -6
Their website say they are prepared to accept 150 incoming freshmen. Kid I’m talking about is currently a sopre. So this was two years ago My point was that obviously if they can provide a number they are prepared to accept, then they are prepared to reject numbers over the that limit. So I was supporting your claim that they reject kids.
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Post by brprepfan on Feb 26, 2021 21:59:09 GMT -6
Madison Prep won the 3A state championship in Football. They are the number one seed in both boys and girls basketball. Seems like a great accomplishment, that is, until you realize they have open enrollment for all of EBR parish (Largest Parish in Louisiana). Obviously, this is an unfair advantage when you consider that they are playing in the public school side. How is this any different than the unfair advantages of private schools that led to the split in 2013? If we are going to hold privates accountable for the unfair advantages they have/had - why would we let publics experience those advantages and not be moved to the Select/Private side. The LHSAA needs to address this soon. Oh No. crying over spilled milk. Are you from Baton Rouge? I have lived here since 1980. No one that does not live in Baton Rouge or Madison Prep area is going to that school. Madison Prep is in a very industrial part of town. They are getting students that would have gone to Istrouma, Capitol, or Glen Oaks.
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Post by brprepfan on Feb 26, 2021 22:02:22 GMT -6
Also I told this board that Madison Prep would win state in 2020.
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Post by fisherman1 on Feb 26, 2021 22:38:30 GMT -6
Carencro and Acadiana are in Lafayette parish .They do not have open enrollment.Each school in the parish has an Academy that is limited to 25 Freshmen a year.This is equal boys and girls and they are picked by the academy head that has nothing to do with football.They may get 3 or 4 players a year in the academy but it is far from open enrollment like they have in some parishes.You can only enter the Academy as a freshmen .
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Post by retired on Feb 27, 2021 6:16:51 GMT -6
Carencro and Acadiana are in Lafayette parish .They do not have open enrollment.Each school in the parish has an Academy that is limited to 25 Freshmen a year.This is equal boys and girls and they are picked by the academy head that has nothing to do with football.They may get 3 or 4 players a year in the academy but it is far from open enrollment like they have in some parishes.You can only enter the Academy as a freshmen. 3 or 4 PLAYERS can make a difference, if the kids that are going to Acadiana through the Academy are players like Monette or Brooks from a few years ago, or Welch, or Cam George, etc.
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Post by fisherman1 on Feb 27, 2021 6:48:35 GMT -6
Yes 3 or 4 can make a difference but most of these players live in there zones.Cam George is from Scott and is the third George to play at Acadiana.The Monettes have all gone to Acadiana through the years.I think Lafayette is really loaded with very good athletes showing by the 4 state champions.I do agree that the Academy can help these schools but nothing like open enrollment in some parishes.
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Post by retired on Feb 27, 2021 7:07:01 GMT -6
Yes 3 or 4 can make a difference but most of these players live in there zones.Cam George is from Scott and is the third George to play at Acadiana.The Monettes have all gone to Acadiana through the years.I think Lafayette is really loaded with very good athletes showing by the 4 state champions.I do agree that the Academy can help these schools but nothing like open enrollment in some parishes. I don't think "open enrollment in some parishes" operates like you seem to insinuate for a variety of reasons. I am not familiar with the geography you are describing here, but just wanted to point out that just because these kids are legacies doesn't mean that ALL of the members of their families did not enjoy similar benefits of the academy enrollment. I believe now that the true travesty of the split is not so much the split itself, but rather the fact that the votes were based on ignorance of the actual situation of different areas.
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Post by wildcat on Feb 27, 2021 7:52:30 GMT -6
Yes 3 or 4 can make a difference but most of these players live in there zones.Cam George is from Scott and is the third George to play at Acadiana.The Monettes have all gone to Acadiana through the years.I think Lafayette is really loaded with very good athletes showing by the 4 state champions.I do agree that the Academy can help these schools but nothing like open enrollment in some parishes. I don't think "open enrollment in some parishes" operates like you seem to insinuate for a variety of reasons. I am not familiar with the geography you are describing here, but just wanted to point out that just because these kids are legacies doesn't mean that ALL of the members of their families did not enjoy similar benefits of the academy enrollment. I believe now that the true travesty of the split is not so much the split itself, but rather the fact that the votes were based on ignorance of the actual situation of different areas. I hate to be the one to mention this but let’s call a spade a spade. The split is here to stay and will never be voted out. The LHSAA will not come back together. The reason I believe this is because it requires 2/3 vote to overturn the split. To many schools have experienced success that didn’t pre-split and there is no way they will ever vote to end the split. They vote on it every year at the convention and they actually had simple majority last time they voted on it, but it still wasn’t close to 2/3.
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Post by retired on Feb 27, 2021 8:02:03 GMT -6
I don't think "open enrollment in some parishes" operates like you seem to insinuate for a variety of reasons. I am not familiar with the geography you are describing here, but just wanted to point out that just because these kids are legacies doesn't mean that ALL of the members of their families did not enjoy similar benefits of the academy enrollment. I believe now that the true travesty of the split is not so much the split itself, but rather the fact that the votes were based on ignorance of the actual situation of different areas. I hate to be the one to mention this but let’s call a spade a spade. The split is here to stay and will never be voted out. The LHSAA will not come back together. The reason I believe this is because it requires 2/3 vote to overturn the split. To many schools have experienced success that didn’t pre-split and there is no way they will ever vote to end the split. They vote on it every year at the convention and they actually had simple majority last time they voted on it, but it still wasn’t close to 2/3. You are probably correct, BUT one thing that may change things is to actually just do a better job of educating the membership exactly how this operates. I can see a scenario where a traditional neighborhood school once would support the split might have different thoughts if they realize that they are now just losing to non select schools that operate more like a private school than a traditional public school. Or maybe reclassify. I know everyone hears of the dreaded "law suit" but who cares. It isn't as if Karr would win a large monetary judgement from the LHSAA, like this was a personal injury trial. It would simply be courts hearing injunctive arguments, or arguments to change the classification back.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Feb 27, 2021 8:08:39 GMT -6
I hate to be the one to mention this but let’s call a spade a spade. The split is here to stay and will never be voted out. The LHSAA will not come back together. The reason I believe this is because it requires 2/3 vote to overturn the split. To many schools have experienced success that didn’t pre-split and there is no way they will ever vote to end the split. They vote on it every year at the convention and they actually had simple majority last time they voted on it, but it still wasn’t close to 2/3. You are probably correct, BUT one thing that may change things is to actually just do a better job of educating the membership exactly how this operates. I can see a scenario where a traditional neighborhood school once would support the split might have different thoughts if they realize that they are now just losing to non select schools that operate more like a private school than a traditional public school. Or maybe reclassify. I know everyone hears of the dreaded "law suit" but who cares. It isn't as if Karr would win a large monetary judgement from the LHSAA, like this was a personal injury trial. It would simply be courts hearing injunctive arguments, or arguments to change the classification back. This is why we have the split www.jesuitnola.org/about/school-profile/where-blue-jays-live/Now that’s one school in NOLA, but back when the LHSAA was started and the select schools were originally allowed to play, I bet they were drawing from nowhere near that amount of zip codes. But things change over the years.
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Post by retired on Feb 27, 2021 8:22:19 GMT -6
You are probably correct, BUT one thing that may change things is to actually just do a better job of educating the membership exactly how this operates. I can see a scenario where a traditional neighborhood school once would support the split might have different thoughts if they realize that they are now just losing to non select schools that operate more like a private school than a traditional public school. Or maybe reclassify. I know everyone hears of the dreaded "law suit" but who cares. It isn't as if Karr would win a large monetary judgement from the LHSAA, like this was a personal injury trial. It would simply be courts hearing injunctive arguments, or arguments to change the classification back. This is why we have the split www.jesuitnola.org/about/school-profile/where-blue-jays-live/Now that’s one school in NOLA, but back when the LHSAA was started and the select schools were originally allowed to play, I bet they were drawing from nowhere near that amount of zip codes. But things change over the years. Can't be accurate. No way they would let 3 Chalmations through the doors on Banks and Carrollton Kidding Aside, while this does show the potential issues, lets be clear, Jesuit High School is not the reason for the split. The reason for the split is the blueprint that started in River Ridge, expanded in Shreveport (and seems to be flaming out), and now appears to be going strong in Lafayette. Jesuit High School does not follow that blueprint.
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Post by gamewatcher on Feb 27, 2021 14:28:07 GMT -6
amen....you hit it on the nail and this problem seems to continue to get worse as the years go by. i'm with you buddy.
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Post by rct6 on Feb 27, 2021 16:07:06 GMT -6
Allow me to shed some light on the MPA subject. MOST of the athletes at MPA start out at their neighboring middle school, CSAL middle. They don’t go around Baton Rouge “recruiting”. Yes, there is an application period / process, but CSAL students get first dibs in placement. I think the waiting list is over 500 now. Not only does CSAL excel in athletics { both girls / boys basketball just one city championships & football has won 2 yrs. in a row }, they also excel in academics. MPA success on the court & on the field starts at the middle school level. It’s a system....
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Post by retired on Feb 27, 2021 16:21:04 GMT -6
Allow me to shed some light on the MPA subject. MOST of the athletes at MPA start out at their neighboring middle school, CSAL middle. They don’t go around Baton Rouge “recruiting”. Yes, there is an application period / process, but CSAL students get first dibs in placement. I think the waiting list is over 500 now. Not only does CSAL excel in athletics { both girls / boys basketball just one city championships & football has won 2 yrs. in a row }, they also excel in academics. MPA success on the court & on the field starts at the middle school level. It’s a system.... Sounds like direct quotes from a vast list of private schools....
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Post by rct6 on Feb 27, 2021 16:34:42 GMT -6
Allow me to shed some light on the MPA subject. MOST of the athletes at MPA start out at their neighboring middle school, CSAL middle. They don’t go around Baton Rouge “recruiting”. Yes, there is an application period / process, but CSAL students get first dibs in placement. I think the waiting list is over 500 now. Not only does CSAL excel in athletics { both girls / boys basketball just one city championships & football has won 2 yrs. in a row }, they also excel in academics. MPA success on the court & on the field starts at the middle school level. It’s a system.... Sounds like direct quotes from a vast list of private schools.... I’m sure it does😆. GO Charger⚡️
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Post by rct6 on Feb 27, 2021 16:38:41 GMT -6
Allow me to shed some light on the MPA subject. MOST of the athletes at MPA start out at their neighboring middle school, CSAL middle. They don’t go around Baton Rouge “recruiting”. Yes, there is an application period / process, but CSAL students get first dibs in placement. I think the waiting list is over 500 now. Not only does CSAL excel in athletics { both girls / boys basketball just one city championships & football has won 2 yrs. in a row }, they also excel in academics. MPA success on the court & on the field starts at the middle school level. It’s a system.... Sounds like direct quotes from a vast list of private schools.... I’m sure it does😆. GO Chargers⚡️
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