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Post by TheFireman89 on Mar 15, 2021 8:22:34 GMT -6
Longtime C.E. Byrd head coach Mike Suggs has announced his retirement. Suggs has been head coach of the Yellow Jackets since 1998 and led them to two state runner-up finishes during that time.
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Post by Sixpack on Mar 15, 2021 10:32:32 GMT -6
That's kind of a shocker but it's a job opening that should attract any coach who is looking for a place with good potential. Byrd has the tradition to build a powerhouse program if they hire a coach who will develop a passing game to go with the Jackets usual running game.
And with the apparent downturn at Evangel they might now be in a position to attract the best players in the Shreveport area. Should be interesting to see if they go after a coach from outside or promote from within.
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Post by firstnten on Mar 15, 2021 11:13:38 GMT -6
This is going to be a tough replacement. The new coach will have to step into a school that is set in its ways. A new coach that wants to take the Jackets to the State championship is first going to have to battle the administration, tradition and get rid of the entire coaching staff. Since the latter is NOT going to happen the new coach is going to be handicapped, and then blamed for not making it to the Dome.
I would bet on a promotion from within, and mediocre performance for years to come. There is too much new technology and new coaching techniques out there for Byrd to just keep doing what they are doing. With Coach Suggs gone, this is a tough replacement.
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Post by fisherman1 on Mar 15, 2021 12:34:48 GMT -6
If you dont throw it 50 times a game some people feel like you are behind the times.I know a great throwing offense is fun to watch but i dont think it means you are better.The best reason coaches have given me for running the football is it can keep your defense off the field and a ball control offense frustrates a spread team if they cant get the ball.Darrell Royal at Texas said the reason he never threw the ball was he averaged 4 yards a carry and an incomplete pass might cause us to punt.
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Post by firstnten on Mar 15, 2021 12:49:39 GMT -6
Maybe this thread wont get hijacked into a run vs pass discussion. My point is Coach Suggs is a legend in Shreveport football. To replace him wont be easy, in the mean time new skill players may take a wait and see approach as to weather to bail to another school.
Oh, btw I believe Byrd only beat Calvary by one score, from a kick return.
Good luck to the Jackets I hope they get the right coach.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 12:57:58 GMT -6
I don't see them going too far outside the box. They had something that worked and will likely look to build on it with something similar. That would be like if Acadiana hired a spread guy and switched to RPO's after Ted Davidson retired. You just don't mess with success.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 15, 2021 13:04:40 GMT -6
I don't see them going too far outside the box. They had something that worked and will likely look to build on it with something similar. That would be like if Acadiana hired a spread guy and switched to RPO's after Ted Davidson retired. You just don't mess with success. been a LOT of turnover in D1 recently
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Post by coolaroola on Mar 16, 2021 7:05:42 GMT -6
Thomas Bachman
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Post by Fast Eddie on Mar 17, 2021 14:02:57 GMT -6
Last year was a very good year for Byrd. However, I'll say they are winners but I wouldn't say consistent winners - they have had ups a downs just like everyone else. 2016 they were skulldrugged by lots of folks. When their QB went down with that horrible injury that year, the proverbial wheels came off quickly. Don't get me wrong, they have won plenty and have been to two state championship games in the last ten years. They are very competitive and a force to reckon with. Hiring from outside of Byrd? I do believe that Coach Guin locally is the one I'd try and hire if I was the Principal, but NO WAY does Coach Guin leave Calvary, because he has a bird's nest on the ground there... Coach Thomas Bachman comes to mind, but he's just now, after so many years of hard work, gotten ASH soo close in 5A. He's established a great culture at ASH and it might be too good to leave for T-Bach right now. Just for arguments sake I'll throw in Coach Gatlin and Coach Abernathy. Both of them are very experienced leaders and are winners. I would also love to see Coach Geter come out of retirement and take a swing at it as well... My guess is that they'll have to hire from within. They have a proven coaching staff now. Besides, a new head coach coming into a coaching staff that isn't his, and without his own coordinators (at least one) would be taking a HUGE leap of faith. I just don't think that anyone would take that kind of gamble right now... My bet would be Abernathy if the admin wants a different direction. If the admin is happy with the program they will hire within. Abernathy would be the EXACT same direction I would think, being a Suggs guy.
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Post by clubberlang on Mar 18, 2021 10:34:20 GMT -6
My bet would be Abernathy if the admin wants a different direction. If the admin is happy with the program they will hire within. Abernathy would be the EXACT same direction I would think, being a Suggs guy. Bachman is not leaving ASH right now. However if central LA keeps spinning their wheels and the facilities don’t start improving they will. Decent crew of kids returning with a solid freshman and sopre class coming up. Guin will most definitely not leave Calvary right now! Abernathy will be a top candidate for this job. Him and Suggs are pretty close 👍
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Post by cvwildcatfan on Mar 18, 2021 16:45:34 GMT -6
Coach Tank is available...
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Post by keep.sawing.wood22 on Mar 19, 2021 1:47:36 GMT -6
That's kind of a shocker but it's a job opening that should attract any coach who is looking for a place with good potential. Byrd has the tradition to build a powerhouse program if they hire a coach who will develop a passing game to go with the Jackets usual running game.
And with the apparent downturn at Evangel they might now be in a position to attract the best players in the Shreveport area. Should be interesting to see if they go after a coach from outside or promote from within. One of the biggest fallacies in HS football is you have to pass successfully to win. You don't. You have to stop the pass successfully to win.
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Post by junctionboy on Mar 19, 2021 6:53:33 GMT -6
have to pass.. OH MY ACHING..... look at the teams that won titles over the last 10 years... the vast majority are not pass happy. BTW, The team with the most rushing yards and fewest turnovers wins 99% of all football games at ANY level.
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Post by Sixpack on Mar 19, 2021 12:13:56 GMT -6
That's kind of a shocker but it's a job opening that should attract any coach who is looking for a place with good potential. Byrd has the tradition to build a powerhouse program if they hire a coach who will develop a passing game to go with the Jackets usual running game.
And with the apparent downturn at Evangel they might now be in a position to attract the best players in the Shreveport area. Should be interesting to see if they go after a coach from outside or promote from within. One of the biggest fallacies in HS football is you have to pass successfully to win. You don't. You have to stop the pass successfully to win. LOL! If you stop the pass successfully that proves nothing except that your opponent has an unsuccessfull passing game. If you can't successfully stop your opponent's passing attack that proves that a successful passing game is important, right? That was my point.
Of course you don't necessarily have to pass the ball successfully to win if you have an unstopable running game. And you don't necesasrily have to run the ball to win if you have an unstoppable passing game. Very few teams are unstoppable in EITHER phase. Therefore it makes sense that a team that can both run and pass successfully has a betterr chance of consistently winning than a one dimensional team. There is no fallacy in that. It is common sense.
I have followed Byrd and Evangel football for a very long time and as long as I can remember Byrd has essentially been a one dimensional power running football team. They always had a good runnng game but they were esentially a 3rd and 7 passing team. That fools nobody. If Byrd had been able to succesfully pass the ball I can promise you they would have had a lot more success over they years than they had because Byrd has always had a bunch of good football players.
There has only been one team that I have ever seen that was virtually unstoppable in both phases of the game and that was Evangel's 1999 national chmpionship team. I believe that team could have won the Louisiana state champinship without their passing game or without their running game as long as they had one or the other.
Byrd will never get to the top of the hill consistently as long it is ingrained in their program to put virtually no interest at all in a passing game and just line up on every third and five and say here we come with another pitch out or another off tackle run so stop us if you can. You can disagree if you want but over many years I have seen Byrd lose about 100 first downs with that kind of play calling.
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Post by clubberlang on Mar 22, 2021 7:03:36 GMT -6
One of the biggest fallacies in HS football is you have to pass successfully to win. You don't. You have to stop the pass successfully to win. LOL! If you stop the pass successfully that proves nothing except that your opponent has an unsuccessfull passing game. If you can't successfully stop your opponent's passing attack that proves that a successful passing game is important, right? That was my point.
Of course you don't necessarily have to pass the ball successfully to win if you have an unstopable running game. And you don't necesasrily have to run the ball to win if you have an unstoppable passing game. Very few teams are unstoppable in EITHER phase. Therefore it makes sense that a team that can both run and pass successfully has a betterr chance of consistently winning than a one dimensional team. There is no fallacy in that. It is common sense.
I have followed Byrd and Evangel football for a very long time and as long as I can remember Byrd has essentially been a one dimensional power running football team. They always had a good runnng game but they were esentially a 3rd and 7 passing team. That fools nobody. If Byrd had been able to succesfully pass the ball I can promise you they would have had a lot more success over they years than they had because Byrd has always had a bunch of good football players.
There has only been one team that I have ever seen that was virtually unstoppable in both phases of the game and that was Evangel's 1999 national chmpionship team. I believe that team could have won the Louisiana state champinship without their passing game or without their running game as long as they had one or the other.
Byrd will never get to the top of the hill consistently as long it is ingrained in their program to put virtually no interest at all in a passing game and just line up on every third and five and say here we come with another pitch out or another off tackle run so stop us if you can. You can disagree if you want but over many years I have seen Byrd lose about 100 first downs with that kind of play calling.Lol!!!!!
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Post by juuice on Mar 24, 2021 18:09:23 GMT -6
Hearing Dunn and Abernathy both interested in the job
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Post by obc on Mar 24, 2021 19:22:53 GMT -6
LOL! If you stop the pass successfully that proves nothing except that your opponent has an unsuccessfull passing game. If you can't successfully stop your opponent's passing attack that proves that a successful passing game is important, right? That was my point.
Of course you don't necessarily have to pass the ball successfully to win if you have an unstopable running game. And you don't necesasrily have to run the ball to win if you have an unstoppable passing game. Very few teams are unstoppable in EITHER phase. Therefore it makes sense that a team that can both run and pass successfully has a betterr chance of consistently winning than a one dimensional team. There is no fallacy in that. It is common sense.
I have followed Byrd and Evangel football for a very long time and as long as I can remember Byrd has essentially been a one dimensional power running football team. They always had a good runnng game but they were esentially a 3rd and 7 passing team. That fools nobody. If Byrd had been able to succesfully pass the ball I can promise you they would have had a lot more success over they years than they had because Byrd has always had a bunch of good football players.
There has only been one team that I have ever seen that was virtually unstoppable in both phases of the game and that was Evangel's 1999 national chmpionship team. I believe that team could have won the Louisiana state champinship without their passing game or without their running game as long as they had one or the other.
Byrd will never get to the top of the hill consistently as long it is ingrained in their program to put virtually no interest at all in a passing game and just line up on every third and five and say here we come with another pitch out or another off tackle run so stop us if you can. You can disagree if you want but over many years I have seen Byrd lose about 100 first downs with that kind of play calling. Lol!!!!! That run-first philosophy has really held back Curtis and Acadiana.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 20:36:42 GMT -6
Passing offenses live and die with quarterback play. You can’t cover up a weak quarterback if your scheme depends on him throwing 20-30 times a game. Rushing offenses, however, can help hide a weak quarterback and highlight a strong one.
Evangel had some great quarterbacks go through that program that could make their system work. They’re not nearly as successful if they had the average 1A/2A quarterback slinging balls from the short punt alignment lol.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 24, 2021 21:11:36 GMT -6
Passing offenses live and die with quarterback play. You can’t cover up a weak quarterback if your scheme depends on him throwing 20-30 times a game. Rushing offenses, however, can help hide a weak quarterback and highlight a strong one. Evangel had some great quarterbacks go through that program that could make their system work. They’re not nearly as successful if they had the average 1A/2A quarterback slinging balls from the short punt alignment lol. sometimes receivers make the QB... it’s a challenge to evaluate... the best receiver group I’ve seen was when Landry Walker won the state championship
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Post by retired on Mar 24, 2021 21:20:24 GMT -6
Passing offenses live and die with quarterback play. You can’t cover up a weak quarterback if your scheme depends on him throwing 20-30 times a game. Rushing offenses, however, can help hide a weak quarterback and highlight a strong one. Evangel had some great quarterbacks go through that program that could make their system work. They’re not nearly as successful if they had the average 1A/2A quarterback slinging balls from the short punt alignment lol. sometimes receivers make the QB... it’s a challenge to evaluate... the best receiver group I’ve seen was when Landry Walker won the state championship I would not agree with that statement, particularly at the HS level. Now a group of WRs can definitely be the reason a QB has high statistics, but QB play isn't accurately evaluated by statistics.
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Post by 318anon on Mar 25, 2021 7:02:43 GMT -6
Passing offenses live and die with quarterback play. You can’t cover up a weak quarterback if your scheme depends on him throwing 20-30 times a game. Rushing offenses, however, can help hide a weak quarterback and highlight a strong one. Evangel had some great quarterbacks go through that program that could make their system work. They’re not nearly as successful if they had the average 1A/2A quarterback slinging balls from the short punt alignment lol. I have two boys on the Byrd team, and can say that they have two QBs that are more than capable of leading a successful passing game, and 4 or 5 skillies that can catch the ball. They've just never committed to making the passing game part of the offense. Byrd passes when they are behind the sticks, or behind on the scoreboard, or to try to catch the defense off guard after running 8x in a row. I have no problem with the triple option offense as the base offense, just would like to see what these athletes could do spread out over the field from time to time.
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Post by deadman318 on Mar 25, 2021 7:19:40 GMT -6
Hearing Dunn and Abernathy both interested in the job I can see Abernathy, but Dunn? He's got a bird's nest on the ground at North DeSoto, unless there are rumblings down south on Mansfield Road that none of us know about.
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Post by TheFireman89 on Mar 25, 2021 7:31:08 GMT -6
Dunn being interested wouldn't surprise me one bit. Seems to be a nomad since leaving LC, applied at Dutchtown and McNeese while at Pineville before landing the North DeSoto job. Byrd is a better job than North DeSoto in my opinion and it would put him back at the highest level of football in the state and in his old stomping grounds in Shreveport.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 7:42:33 GMT -6
Passing offenses live and die with quarterback play. You can’t cover up a weak quarterback if your scheme depends on him throwing 20-30 times a game. Rushing offenses, however, can help hide a weak quarterback and highlight a strong one. Evangel had some great quarterbacks go through that program that could make their system work. They’re not nearly as successful if they had the average 1A/2A quarterback slinging balls from the short punt alignment lol. I have two boys on the Byrd team, and can say that they have two QBs that are more than capable of leading a successful passing game, and 4 or 5 skillies that can catch the ball. They've just never committed to making the passing game part of the offense. Byrd passes when they are behind the sticks, or behind on the scoreboard, or to try to catch the defense off guard after running 8x in a row. I have no problem with the triple option offense as the base offense, just would like to see what these athletes could do spread out over the field from time to time. Like I said, you can hide a weaker QB and highlight stronger QB's. The flexbone and split-veer are two great offensive schemes that accomplish that, especially the flexbone because the base 2x2 and 3x1 formations are rooted in the old run and shoot of the 80's. Jim Kelly used to run Mouse Davis's offense during his time with the Houston Gamblers and threw for almost 10,000 yards and 83 TD's in two seasons. Paul Johnson used some run and shoot passing concepts during his time at Georgia Southern and Tech, depending on the strengths of his QB and WR's, the best example being when he had Calvin Johnson. Split-veer offenses are more pro style passing concepts, but same idea. You just have to dedicate ample practice time to work on passing, which is hard for option teams to do since the option reads tend to take up most of the practice time.
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Post by 318anon on Mar 25, 2021 7:51:32 GMT -6
I have two boys on the Byrd team, and can say that they have two QBs that are more than capable of leading a successful passing game, and 4 or 5 skillies that can catch the ball. They've just never committed to making the passing game part of the offense. Byrd passes when they are behind the sticks, or behind on the scoreboard, or to try to catch the defense off guard after running 8x in a row. I have no problem with the triple option offense as the base offense, just would like to see what these athletes could do spread out over the field from time to time. Like I said, you can hide a weaker QB and highlight stronger QB's. The flexbone and split-veer are two great offensive schemes that accomplish that, especially the flexbone because the base 2x2 and 3x1 formations are rooted in the old run and shoot of the 80's. Jim Kelly used to run Mouse Davis's offense during his time with the Houston Gamblers and threw for almost 10,000 yards and 83 TD's in two seasons. Paul Johnson used some run and shoot passing concepts during his time at Georgia Southern and Tech, depending on the strengths of his QB and WR's, the best example being when he had Calvin Johnson. Split-veer offenses are more pro style passing concepts, but same idea. You just have to dedicate ample practice time to work on passing, which is hard for option teams to do since the option reads tend to take up most of the practice time. I agree completely about practice time. I wish Byrd would take advantage of the summer 7v7 practices and local tournaments. I know 7v7 doesn't completely translate to tackle football, but it doesn't count against a team's allotted practice time, and it at least gets the QB familiar with reading defensive backfields and getting timing down with receivers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 8:04:47 GMT -6
Like I said, you can hide a weaker QB and highlight stronger QB's. The flexbone and split-veer are two great offensive schemes that accomplish that, especially the flexbone because the base 2x2 and 3x1 formations are rooted in the old run and shoot of the 80's. Jim Kelly used to run Mouse Davis's offense during his time with the Houston Gamblers and threw for almost 10,000 yards and 83 TD's in two seasons. Paul Johnson used some run and shoot passing concepts during his time at Georgia Southern and Tech, depending on the strengths of his QB and WR's, the best example being when he had Calvin Johnson. Split-veer offenses are more pro style passing concepts, but same idea. You just have to dedicate ample practice time to work on passing, which is hard for option teams to do since the option reads tend to take up most of the practice time. I agree completely about practice time. I wish Byrd would take advantage of the summer 7v7 practices and local tournaments. I know 7v7 doesn't completely translate to tackle football, but it doesn't count against a team's allotted practice time, and it at least gets the QB familiar with reading defensive backfields and getting timing down with receivers. Well, hopefully y'all get someone that can split time between the two areas. I don't see Byrd totally ditching the option scheme, at least not the first year. However, a Coastal Carolina style spread option offense might be a good fit until they get used to throwing the ball more often than not. That way you still have a solid running game to fall back on if passing is not working...and not end up like Georgia Tech, who looks atrocious running their shotgun spread.
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Post by juuice on Mar 30, 2021 7:22:39 GMT -6
When does Byrd start Spring practice?
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Post by Sixpack on Mar 30, 2021 23:26:04 GMT -6
Dunn being interested wouldn't surprise me one bit. Seems to be a nomad since leaving LC, applied at Dutchtown and McNeese while at Pineville before landing the North DeSoto job. Byrd is a better job than North DeSoto in my opinion and it would put him back at the highest level of football in the state and in his old stomping grounds in Shreveport. Now that I would like to see.
Hire a great former Evangel coach, get the best athletes in the Shreveport area, keep the power running game but also develop a top quarterback and 5 or 6 great receivers and spread the field. Then I can go back to watching Evangel football again. Just in purple and gold instead of red, white and blue. DO IT!
Wait, that makes too much sense. Hire another 3 yards and a cloud of dust guy.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 31, 2021 1:31:45 GMT -6
Dunn being interested wouldn't surprise me one bit. Seems to be a nomad since leaving LC, applied at Dutchtown and McNeese while at Pineville before landing the North DeSoto job. Byrd is a better job than North DeSoto in my opinion and it would put him back at the highest level of football in the state and in his old stomping grounds in Shreveport. Now that I would like to see.
Hire a great former Evangel coach, get the best athletes in the Shreveport area, keep the power running game but also develop a top quarterback and 5 or 6 great receivers and spread the field. Then I can go back to watching Evangel football again. Just in purple and gold instead of red, white and blue. DO IT!
Wait, that makes too much sense. Hire another 3 yards and a cloud of dust guy.Dennis Dunn's got to be old by now but yall got a decent district in Shreveport to watch, sending teams to the championship and guys to the NFL...
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Post by retired on Mar 31, 2021 16:04:05 GMT -6
Dunn being interested wouldn't surprise me one bit. Seems to be a nomad since leaving LC, applied at Dutchtown and McNeese while at Pineville before landing the North DeSoto job. Byrd is a better job than North DeSoto in my opinion and it would put him back at the highest level of football in the state and in his old stomping grounds in Shreveport. Now that I would like to see.
Hire a great former Evangel coach, get the best athletes in the Shreveport area, keep the power running game but also develop a top quarterback and 5 or 6 great receivers and spread the field. Then I can go back to watching Evangel football again. Just in purple and gold instead of red, white and blue. DO IT!
Wait, that makes too much sense. Hire another 3 yards and a cloud of dust guy.Keep in mind that Dennis Dunn's record is around 50-36 (.581) in HS at schools other than ECA. May still be a good coach and a good fit for that situation, but just wanted to point out he has had considerably less on field success when not coaching the Broadacres Travelling All Stars.
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