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Post by indy on Aug 3, 2017 11:23:47 GMT -6
4A finals and champions since 2010 2010 finals Karr vs Franklinton Winner Franklinton 2011 finals Neville vs Karr Winner Neville 2012 finals Neville vs Karr Winner Karr 2013 Finals Karr vs E. Jeff Winner E. Jeff 2014 finals Easton vs Neville winner Neville 2015 finals Neville v Karr winner Neville 2016 finals Neville vs Karr winner Karr The last time one of these two teams has not been in the 4A state championship was 2008. This is why a plan like Indiana plan is so perfect. Both of those should be in 5A. It also begs the question as to where is the outcry from people like Principals Booker/Griffin, etc. Sure, the classification they were in was dominated by a couple of private schools. But the issue should be the domination part, not the private part. Booker/Griffin got exactly what they wanted. They could care less about the rest. Their email chains proved it. Self serving s.
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Post by wildcat on Aug 3, 2017 11:54:54 GMT -6
This is why a plan like Indiana plan is so perfect. Both of those should be in 5A. It also begs the question as to where is the outcry from people like Principals Booker/Griffin, etc. Sure, the classification they were in was dominated by a couple of private schools. But the issue should be the domination part, not the private part. Booker/Griffin got exactly what they wanted. They could care less about the rest. Their email chains proved it. Self serving s. They did get what they wanted...Evangel and JC moved out of 2A. I have no problem with the principals and AD's doing whats best for their school. After all aren't their jobs and livelihood dependent on 14-18 year olds and how they perform on and off the field? When I vote for the President or in any other election, I vote whats best for me and my family, not the guy standing next to me.
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Post by eag on Aug 3, 2017 12:02:53 GMT -6
Booker/Griffin got exactly what they wanted. They could care less about the rest. Their email chains proved it. Self serving s. They did get what they wanted...Evangel and JC moved out of 2A. I have no problem with the principals and AD's doing whats best for their school. After all aren't their jobs and livelihood dependent on 14-18 year olds and how they perform on and off the field? When I vote for the President or in any other election, I vote whats best for me and my family, not the guy standing next to me. The LHSAA structure, which insanely allows statute to be submitted up from the floor, is one of the issues. These principals should never have been crafting the statute- the EC should craft it with an eye towards solving problems for the good of the whole LHSAA. They have a duty as EC members to do that. That said, these principals harped heavily on "fairness" and "evening the field". If that was their concern, they are doing a poor job of showing it. If they didn't care about fairness, then be an adult and say "Many can't beat JC so let us skip playing them and we don't give a rip about St Michael's or Sacred Heart". Might have been received differently. Might not. But at least would have been accurate.
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Post by indy on Aug 3, 2017 12:05:09 GMT -6
Booker/Griffin got exactly what they wanted. They could care less about the rest. Their email chains proved it. Self serving s. They did get what they wanted...Evangel and JC moved out of 2A. I have no problem with the principals and AD's doing whats best for their school. After all aren't their jobs and livelihood dependent on 14-18 year olds and how they perform on and off the field? When I vote for the President or in any other election, I vote whats best for me and my family, not the guy standing next to me. They got a lot more moved out of 2A than E and JC. The LHSAA and its principals are supposed to have the best interest of all schools in mind when they make decisions. All schools pay the same dues. Find and read their email chains and you will see the selfish plot and the jealousy. Their motives were totally self serving, that's not what the LHSAA should be.
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Post by iknownuthing on Aug 4, 2017 8:26:53 GMT -6
This is why a plan like Indiana plan is so perfect. Both of those should be in 5A. It also begs the question as to where is the outcry from people like Principals Booker/Griffin, etc. Sure, the classification they were in was dominated by a couple of private schools. But the issue should be the domination part, not the private part. Booker/Griffin got exactly what they wanted. They could care less about the rest. Their email chains proved it. Self serving s. For the record I am all for a mandatory play up for teams that dominate a class. If you are in the state championship two years in a row, you should have to move up. But first you would either have to put Humpty Dumpty back together again or setup up Rural/Metro. Status quo would not do. Here is my solution: 1. Consolidate with no split by public/private or the inaccurate select/non-select. 2. Properly change the Classification process of Rural/Metro by non-atheletic measures. For example, For what is now 5A, you would have NO Rural teams as it is nearly 100% metro now. IN 4A Rural would be defined as all economic regions with a population under 100,000 or some other justified number. based on the economic statistics for all 4A schools, For 3A the number could be 75,000. Combine 2A and 1A, with Rural being under 50,000. There may be a need to have LAB schools in very large metro areas play up immediately, as well as JC and E and probably Calvary. All all schools to play up if they wish. Also, Consolidate class B and C into one class for non football. 3. Establish strict and hard core punishing rules to discourage true recruitment. Death penalty for schools that are repeat offenders for say 2 years for 1st offense 4 years for 2nd offense, Life time band for schools that have 3 offenses. Loss of coaching cards (job as coach) for teachers who are repeat offenders. 2 years 1st offense, 4 years 2nd offense, Life time ban 3rd offense. As well as establish meaningful financial penalties for each offense level for both the guilty school and the coaches.
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Post by iknownuthing on Aug 4, 2017 8:33:55 GMT -6
Booker/Griffin got exactly what they wanted. They could care less about the rest. Their email chains proved it. Self serving s. For the record I am all for a mandatory play up for teams that dominate a class. If you are in the state championship two years in a row, you should have to move up. But first you would either have to put Humpty Dumpty back together again or setup up Rural/Metro. Status quo would not do. Here is my solution: 1. Consolidate with no split by public/private or the inaccurate select/non-select. 2. Properly change the Classification process of Rural/Metro by non-atheletic measures. For example, For what is now 5A, you would have NO Rural teams as it is nearly 100% metro now. IN 4A Rural would be defined as all economic regions with a population under 100,000 or some other justified number. based on the economic statistics for all 4A schools, For 3A the number could be 75,000. Combine 2A and 1A, with Rural being under 50,000. There may be a need to have LAB schools in very large metro areas play up immediately, as well as JC and E and probably Calvary. All all schools to play up if they wish. Also, Consolidate class B and C into one class for non football. 3. Establish strict and hard core punishing rules to discourage true recruitment. Death penalty for schools that are repeat offenders for say 2 years for 1st offense 4 years for 2nd offense, Life time band for schools that have 3 offenses. Loss of coaching cards (job as coach) for teachers who are repeat offenders. 2 years 1st offense, 4 years 2nd offense, Life time ban 3rd offense. As well as establish meaningful financial penalties for each offense level for both the guilty school and the coaches. For example, I define an economic area as defined by the Louisiana Economic Development. www.opportunitylouisiana.com/small-business/resources-region
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Post by eag on Aug 4, 2017 12:23:26 GMT -6
Looks fine.
But, if we just put an Indiana-type plan in place we wouldn't need all of the other stratifications. Stratify by size, refine by success. Easy.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Aug 4, 2017 13:14:10 GMT -6
Looks fine. But, if we just put an Indiana-type plan in place we wouldn't need all of the other stratifications. Stratify by size, refine by success. Easy. I agree, but don't think it will ever go back to the way it was. I do like the rural/metro idea the best if we have to have a split.
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Post by CrusadingLions on Aug 4, 2017 14:43:43 GMT -6
I doubt this would ever pass but
Allow whatever non-select team wants to play in select the choice to do so.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Aug 5, 2017 5:33:43 GMT -6
Looks fine. But, if we just put an Indiana-type plan in place we wouldn't need all of the other stratifications. Stratify by size, refine by success. Easy. I agree, but don't think it will ever go back to the way it was. I do like the rural/metro idea the best if we have to have a split. rural and metro is fine for 3A schools and below, but i don't want 4A and 5A split for it.
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Post by indy on Aug 5, 2017 5:37:35 GMT -6
I agree, but don't think it will ever go back to the way it was. I do like the rural/metro idea the best if we have to have a split. rural and metro is fine for 3A schools and below, but i don't want 4A and 5A split for it. Try telling that to Breaux Bridge! Lol
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Post by chalmetteowl on Aug 5, 2017 18:12:35 GMT -6
they're 4A. they should have enough students to compete no matter how many miles an arbitrary line is drawn from Lafayette
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Post by indy on Aug 5, 2017 18:31:45 GMT -6
they're 4A. they should have enough students to compete no matter how many miles an arbitrary line is drawn from Lafayette I agree with you 100% but their coach cries about everything, starting with his district draw.
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Post by iknownuthing on Aug 9, 2017 11:06:57 GMT -6
they're 4A. they should have enough students to compete no matter how many miles an arbitrary line is drawn from Lafayette I agree with you 100% but their coach cries about everything, starting with his district draw. 5 miles from Lafayette on I 10. They would be considered a Metro team by any realistic division.
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Post by cpfan on Sept 5, 2018 21:30:24 GMT -6
The Split is just great.It should stay the way it is.If you are good enuff you will win in your class or division.No matter what happens somebody will whine about something. If a rule of the game changes sombody will cry,and throw a temper tantrum. Just play ball. Hey you got Lemons? Lets make some lemonade.
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Post by indy on Sept 5, 2018 21:36:00 GMT -6
The Split is just great.It should stay the way it is.If you are good enuff you will win in your class or division.No matter what happens somebody will whine about something. If a rule of the game changes sombody will cry,and throw a temper tantrum. Just play ball. Hey you got Lemons? Lets make some lemonade. You obviously have . Why isn’t CP a select team? They have more out of parish and out of so called zones kids than ND. They also get kids from more middle schools than ND.
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Post by cpfan on Sept 5, 2018 21:58:49 GMT -6
I got a bite. See you prove my point crying whining about what going on over there. Play ball. ,what is anyway? You can find a reason to complain about anything if you try hard enough. If it not a parish line it will be somethong else.You want no split fine, thats your choice.I think its fine the way it is no matter how many player are out of parish or not. We cant beat ND (maybe 1 out of every 10 years)alot of their best playercome from CP. We dont play select because we are not in that division, If we were we would, like it or not.we play the hand that we are dealt. Do you like apples? How bout them apples.
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Post by indy on Sept 6, 2018 6:27:23 GMT -6
I got a bite. See you prove my point crying whining about what going on over there. Play ball. ,what is anyway? You can find a reason to complain about anything if you try hard enough. If it not a parish line it will be somethong else.You want no split fine, thats your choice.I think its fine the way it is no matter how many player are out of parish or not. We cant beat ND (maybe 1 out of every 10 years)alot of their best playercome from CP. We dont play select because we are not in that division, If we were we would, like it or not.we play the hand that we are dealt. Do you like apples? How bout them apples. Funny thing is you guys from CP with always want to blame ND for y’all always being bad. But your neighbor in St Landry (Beau Chene) is fixing to drop the hammer on CP for stealing players and recruiting. Now that’s gonna be funny. 20% of y’alls enrollment is out of zone
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Post by cjr3888 on Sept 6, 2018 6:30:30 GMT -6
The split will never go away. If I remember correctly, we always voted against the split, but as long as schools like Lafayette Christian exist, the split is here to stay.
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Post by wildcat on Sept 6, 2018 7:59:16 GMT -6
The split will never go away. If I remember correctly, we always voted against the split, but as long as schools like Lafayette Christian exist, the split is here to stay. The split will always stay, not because of schools like Lafayette Christian, but because it will take 2/3 vote to get rid of or replace the split. I dont recall the numbers but I dont even think 2/3 voted for the split to begin with when it was first introduced.
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Post by indy on Sept 6, 2018 9:50:51 GMT -6
The split will never go away. If I remember correctly, we always voted against the split, but as long as schools like Lafayette Christian exist, the split is here to stay. You are probably right, but LCA doesn’t affect Loreauvilles success anymore. sadly for Loreauville y’all have taken a step back with your new head coach. Terry Martin is no Kurt Crochet. Terry was a loser at Cecelia and B.B. and it was never his fault. He will lose at Loreauville and point his finger and have to blame someone. My guess he will blame other public schools for either being in a metro area, or having no zones, or recruiting, it’s just his nature.
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Post by cpfan on Sept 6, 2018 11:01:49 GMT -6
I got a bite. See you prove my point crying whining about what going on over there. Play ball. ,what is anyway? You can find a reason to complain about anything if you try hard enough. If it not a parish line it will be somethong else.You want no split fine, thats your choice.I think its fine the way it is no matter how many player are out of parish or not. We cant beat ND (maybe 1 out of every 10 years)alot of their best playercome from CP. We dont play select because we are not in that division, If we were we would, like it or not.we play the hand that we are dealt. Do you like apples? How bout them apples. Funny thing is you guys from CP with always want to blame ND for y’all always being bad. But your neighbor in St Landry (Beau Chene) is fixing to drop the hammer on CP for stealing players and recruiting. Now that’s gonna be funny. 20% of y’alls enrollment is out of zone
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Post by cpfan on Sept 6, 2018 11:02:51 GMT -6
I got a bite. See you prove my point crying whining about what going on over there. Play ball. ,what is anyway? You can find a reason to complain about anything if you try hard enough. If it not a parish line it will be somethong else.You want no split fine, thats your choice.I think its fine the way it is no matter how many player are out of parish or not. We cant beat ND (maybe 1 out of every 10 years)alot of their best playercome from CP. We dont play select because we are not in that division, If we were we would, like it or not.we play the hand that we are dealt. Do you like apples? How bout them apples. Funny thing is you guys from CP with always want to blame ND for y’all always being bad. But your neighbor in St Landry (Beau Chene) is fixing to drop the hammer on CP for stealing players and recruiting. Now that’s gonna be funny. 20% of y’alls enrollment is out of zone
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Post by cpfan on Sept 6, 2018 11:11:01 GMT -6
Haha if we lose 20% then we will jjst drop to 1 or 2 A. But you will still be hating. I highly doubt the A.D. or the principal in CP would allow anything not inside the rules to occur. I also think if it were not for ND having those CP boys they would not be as good as they are. We play the hand we are dealt, some people may whine some may not. Play the hand you are dealt . How about we just let you make the rules then ND can be state champ every year.
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Post by indy on Sept 6, 2018 12:11:11 GMT -6
Haha if we lose 20% then we will jjst drop to 1 or 2 A. But you will still be hating. I highly doubt the A.D. or the principal in CP would allow anything not inside the rules to occur. I also think if it were not for ND having those CP boys they would not be as good as they are. We play the hand we are dealt, some people may whine some may not. Play the hand you are dealt . How about we just let you make the rules then ND can be state champ every year. If I made the rules we would obviously have no split and ND would have a less of a chance to win a title. CP is making their own rules, plays in a joke of a watered down league and will probably never win a title. Your is out of control.
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Post by cpfan on Sept 6, 2018 14:04:55 GMT -6
This guy above thinks ND would have a harder chance with no split to win title.Now I know he is just a talking head and I wont bother trying to talk with someone who is ignorant. Just wants everyone to believe his points or wants to insult when he doesnt have his way. Well keep talking, thats what talking heads do. TALK TALK TALK TALK TALK.YAK YAK YAK YAK YAK.
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Post by retired on Sept 9, 2018 14:01:57 GMT -6
This guy above thinks ND would have a harder chance with no split to win title.Now I know he is just a talking head and I wont bother trying to talk with someone who is ignorant. Just wants everyone to believe his points or wants to insult when he doesnt have his way. Well keep talking, thats what talking heads do. TALK TALK TALK TALK TALK.YAK YAK YAK YAK YAK. While indy loves to support an organization that commits and hides atrocities against children, and then he suspiciously "accidentally" uses the term "pedi" in a post (is he advertising? Maybe. Who knows?) in this case he is correct. Ever team has a harder chance to win with 5 classes as opposed to 9 classes.
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Post by cpfan on Sept 9, 2018 16:33:30 GMT -6
I disagree. With putting things back together ND would just have to play a easier schexule because they would have Most likely CP in their district and ND would still keep the talent from all around Crowley ,CP Jennings, Iota, Rayne, Lafayette and a few more. I CP is getting any from Beau Chene is is done legally.the rankng would have mostly private schools at the top and publics with 5 and 5 records playing the same private schools that have them those losses in district. Privates still have a advantage no matter what unless they are zoned and that cant happen with private because they would not be able to support a privte school.
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Post by retired on Sept 9, 2018 18:07:12 GMT -6
I disagree. With putting things back together ND would just have to play a easier schexule because they would have Most likely CP in their district and ND would still keep the talent from all around Crowley ,CP Jennings, Iota, Rayne, Lafayette and a few more. I CP is getting any from Beau Chene is is done legally.the rankng would have mostly private schools at the top and publics with 5 and 5 records playing the same private schools that have them those losses in district. Privates still have a advantage no matter what unless they are zoned and that cant happen with private because they would not be able to support a privte school. There is nothing to disagree with. It is pure math. 5 Classes = less chance at a title than 9 classes for championships. The ONLY way that could be questioned would be due to the consolidation from 5 to 4 "select" classes that a school lends in a less favorable class (IE someone they can't beat)
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Post by cpfan on Sept 9, 2018 18:24:26 GMT -6
I disagree. With putting things back together ND would just have to play a easier schexule because they would have Most likely CP in their district and ND would still keep the talent from all around Crowley ,CP Jennings, Iota, Rayne, Lafayette and a few more. I CP is getting any from Beau Chene is is done legally.the rankng would have mostly private schools at the top and publics with 5 and 5 records playing the same private schools that have them those losses in district. Privates still have a advantage no matter what unless they are zoned and that cant happen with private because they would not be able to support a privte school. There is nothing to disagree with. It is pure math. 5 Classes = less chance at a title than 9 classes for championships. The ONLY way that could be questioned would be due to the consolidation from 5 to 4 "select" classes that a school lends in a less favorable class (IE someone they can't beat) If you look at it mathematically You are right in theory. ND WILL STILL HAVE SAME TALENT IN SPLIT OR NOT. THEY REST OF THE SCHOOLS WILL GET LEFT OVERS. You can combine sunbelt and acc to and mathematically Alabama would would have harder chance you would think, but if they are superior they are superior no matter how many lower class teams you throw in the mix with 10 reg games a year. Math doesnt solve every thing. Try solving with physics. The only way it would be fair is with each school having a zone public or private. Some years the gene pool for athlete's would be in your favor some years not. But when you pull from a zone and not bond by a zone you will have a advantage. Period
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