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Post by Southplaq on Nov 20, 2017 22:37:29 GMT -6
I think this might be Neville's worst quarter-final playoff loss in the past 15 years
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Post by splash53 on Nov 20, 2017 23:40:44 GMT -6
I do. They have been a perennial playoff team and I'm not sure if I've ever seen Lakeshore in many playoffs. I'm going with the old pros. Now, I don't really know anything about them except looking at their wins and losses.
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Post by general on Nov 20, 2017 23:44:19 GMT -6
An 8 point loss would be their worst quarterfinal loss in the last 15 years. Not really going out on a limb here. They have lost twice in the quarters and twice in the 2nd round under McCarty. A 1 point loss to Teurlings in OT, a 1 point loss to Breaux Bridge in the 2nd round, a 7 point loss to Minden in the quarters, and a blowout by Bastrop in the second round. Both 1 point losses were played without the starting QB. Every other year McCarty has had them in the Semis. Lakeshore has never been this far. Let that sink in.
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Post by Southplaq on Nov 21, 2017 5:56:14 GMT -6
An 8 point loss would be their worst quarterfinal loss in the last 15 years. Not really going out on a limb here. They have lost twice in the quarters and twice in the 2nd round under McCarty. A 1 point loss to Teurlings in OT, a 1 point loss to Breaux Bridge in the 2nd round, a 7 point loss to Minden in the quarters, and a blowout by Bastrop in the second round. Both 1 point losses were played without the starting QB. Every other year McCarty has had them in the Semis. Lakeshore has never been this far. Let that sink in. Good point, but I'm not putting much stock in to the "inexperience school of thought" reasoning in this one and here's why. There are cases where your lack of experience at a certain level is overcome by the talent on your team. True, Neville has been there many times before and Lakeshore has never been that far before, but this takes me back to 1990. In the Class 2A finals, Buras High School was up against a very strong Jonesboro-Hodge who was led by the all-state phenom, Norman Bradford. Jonesboro-Hodge just won the three previous State championships in 1987,1988, and 1990 and was picked to easily coast to their 4th. It was Bradford's senior year and everyone picked them to crush Buras in the dome because Buras was a little unknown school. But what those people failed to see was how talented that Buras team was that year. They simply wrote them off because they were unknowns....... Well, they soon found out about Corey Buie and company, who ended up shutting out JBH 26-0 in that game. So, even though Neville has more experience at this level, this is a very talented Lakeshore team.
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Post by iamray on Nov 21, 2017 7:07:28 GMT -6
An 8 point loss would be their worst quarterfinal loss in the last 15 years. Not really going out on a limb here. They have lost twice in the quarters and twice in the 2nd round under McCarty. A 1 point loss to Teurlings in OT, a 1 point loss to Breaux Bridge in the 2nd round, a 7 point loss to Minden in the quarters, and a blowout by Bastrop in the second round. Both 1 point losses were played without the starting QB. Every other year McCarty has had them in the Semis. Lakeshore has never been this far. Let that sink in. Good point, but I'm not putting much stock in to the "inexperience school of thought" reasoning in this one and here's why. There are cases where your lack of experience at a certain level is overcome by the talent on your team. True, Neville has been there many times before and Lakeshore has never been that far before, but this takes me back to 1990. In the Class 2A finals, Buras High School was up against a very strong Jonesboro-Hodge who was led by the all-state phenom, Norman Bradford. Jonesboro-Hodge just won the three previous State championships in 1987,1988, and 1990 and was picked to easily coast to their 4th. It was Bradford's senior year and everyone picked them to crush Buras in the dome because Buras was a little unknown school. But what those people failed to see was how talented that Buras team was that year. They simply wrote them off because they were unknowns....... Well, they soon found out about Corey Buie and company, who ended up shutting out JBH 26-0 in that game. So, even though Neville has more experience at this level, this is a very talented Lakeshore team. But aren't there far more cases where your lack of experience is NOT overcome ? I remember in 2009 when Franklinton was supposedly unstoppable and had won 13 straight. People never gave Neville a shot and rode the "hot" team who was beating up on the Varnados of the world. Neville stormed out to a 21-0 lead before putting them away 31-15. Franklinton lacked experience. Here is what I will look for: Lakeshore hasn't been in a close game yet. Look at Neville and Lakeshore's schedule and you'll see that Lakeshore hasn't really been in a fight. Now, that may be because they are simply overpowering everyone and Neville is somewhat of a reload this year, but I think this helps Neville. Neville has been in tough games, close games this year and has that experience of being in a grinder. If Neville can "hang around" and get the game into the fourth quarter, we may see that inexperience show up for Lakeshore. Should be a great game.
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Post by indy on Nov 21, 2017 8:42:57 GMT -6
I had to go on Ken Ramsey to find out where Lakeshore was and scope them out. Their signature win looks to be against Salmen. Other than that they beat some pretty bad teams. I have to think Neville wins easy.
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Post by sargon on Nov 21, 2017 8:47:27 GMT -6
SP, I think Neville has a good chance to win this game. Lakeshore is a very good, well balanced team, from what I have seen of them. They have a large, well coached offensive line. They run the spread offense and are equally adept at throwing and passing. Their main receiver #3 is a tall good looking athlete who can go get the ball. IMO, defensively, Neville must stop the QB. His running ability is deceptively good. He is a big strong runner who is faster than he seems. Neville does have some very athletic linebackers who can cover a lot of ground, that helps. Neville also has a very good Defensive line who will be tough to handle. I would say Lakeshore's biggest advantage is in the passing game where we are young and a little undersized. Defensively, Lakeshore starts up front with #95, who is a big athletic guy. Neville counters with one of the best offensive lineman in the state, Phillips. That should be a battle. Neville will have to manufacture points in this game and not make mistakes to win. Special teams are about equal, given both have good kickers and punters. All in all, it's anyone's game. I do think Neville holds an advantage with Coaching. McCarty has a lot of playoff experience to fall back on. Hopefully, it's enough to push the Tigers to Victory! Prediction: Neville 28, Lakeshore 24
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Post by covingtonlions on Nov 21, 2017 8:57:42 GMT -6
It's kinda weird that the two undefeated teams out of St. Tammany are being criticized for the same thing, that being inexperience and not playing enough challenging teams. Covington was expected to lose to Ouachita because of that. Lakeshore is a bit different. They are in a really weak district in my opinion. It's always between Salmen, Lakeshore, and Franklinton. That isn't saying much. But Lakeshore did beat Franklinton big, while Neville only did it by 5 points. Both at Franklinton. I think Lakeshore wins a close one with home field advantage.
28-24 Lakeshore Titans
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Post by damonster on Nov 21, 2017 8:58:30 GMT -6
Not comparing scores here but as a Franklinton fan I saw both Neville and Lakeshore this year against Franklinton. IMO Lakeshore takes this one. Defenses seemed about even but Lakeshore had a more explosive offense. Lakeshore likely had better special teams also IMO. The playoff experience does go to Neville as lakeshore has only two playoff wins in its school history and it is a wonder they don’t have sugar diabetes from all the cupcakes they played this season, but I’ll give the win to Lakeshore. My opinion.
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Post by Southplaq on Nov 21, 2017 9:20:37 GMT -6
I agree I think lakeshore wins this one by 10
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Post by sargon on Nov 21, 2017 10:05:39 GMT -6
It's kinda weird that the two undefeated teams out of St. Tammany are being criticized for the same thing, that being inexperience and not playing enough challenging teams. Covington was expected to lose to Ouachita because of that. Lakeshore is a bit different. They are in a really weak district in my opinion. It's always between Salmen, Lakeshore, and Franklinton. That isn't saying much. But Lakeshore did beat Franklinton big, while Neville only did it by 5 points. Both at Franklinton. I think Lakeshore wins a close one with home field advantage. 28-24 Lakeshore Titans I'm not sure that anyone outside of Ouachita Parish thought that OPHS would win that game. Covington was the #2 seed, at home right? And, if Ouachita doesn't turn the ball over twice inside the ten yard line, who knows? I do agree that, at least on paper, Lakeshore seems to have a more prolific offense. If Neville can prevent the big plays they will be in this ballgame!
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Post by general on Nov 21, 2017 10:30:16 GMT -6
An 8 point loss would be their worst quarterfinal loss in the last 15 years. Not really going out on a limb here. They have lost twice in the quarters and twice in the 2nd round under McCarty. A 1 point loss to Teurlings in OT, a 1 point loss to Breaux Bridge in the 2nd round, a 7 point loss to Minden in the quarters, and a blowout by Bastrop in the second round. Both 1 point losses were played without the starting QB. Every other year McCarty has had them in the Semis. Lakeshore has never been this far. Let that sink in. Good point, but I'm not putting much stock in to the "inexperience school of thought" reasoning in this one and here's why. There are cases where your lack of experience at a certain level is overcome by the talent on your team. True, Neville has been there many times before and Lakeshore has never been that far before, but this takes me back to 1990. In the Class 2A finals, Buras High School was up against a very strong Jonesboro-Hodge who was led by the all-state phenom, Norman Bradford. Jonesboro-Hodge just won the three previous State championships in 1987,1988, and 1990 and was picked to easily coast to their 4th. It was Bradford's senior year and everyone picked them to crush Buras in the dome because Buras was a little unknown school. But what those people failed to see was how talented that Buras team was that year. They simply wrote them off because they were unknowns....... Well, they soon found out about Corey Buie and company, who ended up shutting out JBH 26-0 in that game. So, even though Neville has more experience at this level, this is a very talented Lakeshore team. I typically would agree with your line of thought here but this isn't a team with D1's all over the field. They have some good players and are well coached but this isn't '16 Karr or '14 Easton we're talking about. Intangibles have to be accounted for here, imo. Everything is new for Lakeshore whereas it's just quarterfinal week for Neville. McCarty already knows his practice schedule and travel schedule going into the week. The kids and assistants already know it as well because they've been through it already. He doesn't have to focus time on something like that. They have already made a trip to that area as well. The kids wont have everyone patting them on the back telling them how great they are etc. That being said, I won't be surprised at the outcome no matter who wins.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Nov 21, 2017 11:07:38 GMT -6
i got Neville in this one... probably all due to their past history, but this is where the experienced program rises up over the "one special year" team that is just happy to be in this round
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Post by mt on Nov 21, 2017 11:15:55 GMT -6
I know diddly about Lakeshore. I know they are relatively new, kinda pinched enrollment from Salmen and others. Is this correct?
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Post by covingtonlions on Nov 21, 2017 11:21:03 GMT -6
It's kinda weird that the two undefeated teams out of St. Tammany are being criticized for the same thing, that being inexperience and not playing enough challenging teams. Covington was expected to lose to Ouachita because of that. Lakeshore is a bit different. They are in a really weak district in my opinion. It's always between Salmen, Lakeshore, and Franklinton. That isn't saying much. But Lakeshore did beat Franklinton big, while Neville only did it by 5 points. Both at Franklinton. I think Lakeshore wins a close one with home field advantage. 28-24 Lakeshore Titans I'm not sure that anyone outside of Ouachita Parish thought that OPHS would win that game. Covington was the #2 seed, at home right? And, if Ouachita doesn't turn the ball over twice inside the ten yard line, who knows? I do agree that, at least on paper, Lakeshore seems to have a more prolific offense. If Neville can prevent the big plays they will be in this ballgame!
A lot of Covington fans were saying Ouachita would win. People thought we hadn't faced enough challenge to make it past them.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Nov 21, 2017 11:25:59 GMT -6
I picked lakeshore in the bracket challenge but I see this as no better than 50/50 for me.
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Post by damonster on Nov 21, 2017 12:06:10 GMT -6
I know diddly about Lakeshore. I know they are relatively new, kinda pinched enrollment from Salmen and others. Is this correct? Probably pulled most of their enrollment from Fontainebleau. Mandeville possibly also. Salmen is on Slidell. Lakeshore is not.
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Post by mt on Nov 21, 2017 12:19:32 GMT -6
I know diddly about Lakeshore. I know they are relatively new, kinda pinched enrollment from Salmen and others. Is this correct? Probably pulled most of their enrollment from Fontainebleau. Mandeville possibly also. Salmen is on Slidell. Lakeshore is not. Ahhh you know that makes sense. Especially since that area has blown up in population dramatically
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Post by reb72 on Nov 21, 2017 12:21:45 GMT -6
I know diddly about Lakeshore. I know they are relatively new, kinda pinched enrollment from Salmen and others. Is this correct? actually when Lakeshore opened, several shifts occurred. Most of Lakeshore's students came from Fontainebleau and in turn, Fontainebleau took students from Mandeville
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Post by mt on Nov 21, 2017 12:27:37 GMT -6
I know diddly about Lakeshore. I know they are relatively new, kinda pinched enrollment from Salmen and others. Is this correct? actually when Lakeshore opened, several shifts occurred. Most of Lakeshore's students came from Fontainebleau and in turn, Fontainebleau took students from Mandeville How many schools are out that way? This sounds so much like ascension Parish when Dutchtown opened. The thought of such small locations having the same amount or more highly populated schools boggles my mind. Ascension has EA St Amant and Dutchtown all 5a populated public schoools. Is St Tammany(i think) the same? Mandeville, Lakeshore, etc.??
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Post by reb72 on Nov 21, 2017 12:34:29 GMT -6
Neville is down from most years... but not out. Their 3 losses came from 6A Warren Central (9 - 4), 5A Ruston (8 - 3) and 5A West Monroe (12 - 0). They haven't lost to anyone in 4A and until that happens I'm going with the Tigers
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Post by reb72 on Nov 21, 2017 12:40:46 GMT -6
actually when Lakeshore opened, several shifts occurred. Most of Lakeshore's students came from Fontainebleau and in turn, Fontainebleau took students from Mandeville How many schools are out that way? This sounds so much like ascension Parish when Dutchtown opened. The thought of such small locations having the same amount or more highly populated schools boggles my mind. Ascension has EA St Amant and Dutchtown all 5a populated public schoools. Is St Tammany(i think) the same? Mandeville, Lakeshore, etc.?? I lived in Mandeville (Golden Shores) when Lakeshore opened and at that time Fontainebleau was the largest public high school in the state and pretty good in football. Kids in my neighborhood were not happy, they had been in Mandeville's zone and it shifted to Fontainebleau. All 3 are listed in Mandeville but Lakeshore is way out east by LaCombe but the way it's zoned I think they may also have the kids from out around Bush too
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Post by Southplaq on Nov 21, 2017 12:49:15 GMT -6
actually when Lakeshore opened, several shifts occurred. Most of Lakeshore's students came from Fontainebleau and in turn, Fontainebleau took students from Mandeville How many schools are out that way? This sounds so much like ascension Parish when Dutchtown opened. The thought of such small locations having the same amount or more highly populated schools boggles my mind. Ascension has EA St Amant and Dutchtown all 5a populated public schoools. Is St Tammany(i think) the same? Mandeville, Lakeshore, etc.?? The Notthshore area of "Metro New Orleans" are made up of quite A few schools: Mandeville Area: Mandeville High Fontainebleau High Lakeshore High Covington Area: Covington High St. Paul's Slidell Area: Slidell High Salmen High Northshore High Then there's Ponchatoula High and Hammond High in the Weatern part
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Post by covingtonlions on Nov 21, 2017 12:59:44 GMT -6
How many schools are out that way? This sounds so much like ascension Parish when Dutchtown opened. The thought of such small locations having the same amount or more highly populated schools boggles my mind. Ascension has EA St Amant and Dutchtown all 5a populated public schoools. Is St Tammany(i think) the same? Mandeville, Lakeshore, etc.?? I lived in Mandeville (Golden Shores) when Lakeshore opened and at that time Fontainebleau was the largest public high school in the state and pretty good in football. Kids in my neighborhood were not happy, they had been in Mandeville's zone and it shifted to Fontainebleau. All 3 are listed in Mandeville but Lakeshore is way out east by LaCombe but the way it's zoned I think they may also have the kids from out around Bush too Nope. All kids from Bush either go to Mandeville or Covington.
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Post by covingtonlions on Nov 21, 2017 13:01:39 GMT -6
How many schools are out that way? This sounds so much like ascension Parish when Dutchtown opened. The thought of such small locations having the same amount or more highly populated schools boggles my mind. Ascension has EA St Amant and Dutchtown all 5a populated public schoools. Is St Tammany(i think) the same? Mandeville, Lakeshore, etc.?? The Notthshore area of "Metro New Orleans" are made up of quite A few schools: Mandeville Area: Mandeville High Fontainebleau High Lakeshore High Covington Area: Covington High St. Paul's Slidell Area: Slidell High Salmen High Northshore High Then there's Ponchatoula High and Hammond High in the Weatern part And that's essentially Districts 6-5A and 8-4A. Minus Pearl River.
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Post by reb72 on Nov 21, 2017 13:08:57 GMT -6
I lived in Mandeville (Golden Shores) when Lakeshore opened and at that time Fontainebleau was the largest public high school in the state and pretty good in football. Kids in my neighborhood were not happy, they had been in Mandeville's zone and it shifted to Fontainebleau. All 3 are listed in Mandeville but Lakeshore is way out east by LaCombe but the way it's zoned I think they may also have the kids from out around Bush too Nope. All kids from Bush either go to Mandeville or Covington. Thanks, couldn't remember... My roommate in college went to Covington and lived in Tchefuncta Country Club Estates... remember the 1st time I went home for the weekend with him--WOW! I remember asking him "how come you never told me you were rich?" Really nice guy, would have never know his family was loaded
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Post by covingtonlions on Nov 21, 2017 13:15:16 GMT -6
Nope. All kids from Bush either go to Mandeville or Covington. Thanks, couldn't remember... My roommate in college went to Covington and lived in Tchefuncta Country Club Estates... remember the 1st time I went home for the weekend with him--WOW! I remember asking him "how come you never told me you were rich?" Really nice guy, would have never know his family was loaded Yeah, I've got a friend like that. We both went to the Jr. High in Bush and graduated from Covington. He had the rebellious attitude and everything, turned out he had a three story house and everything he wanted, just hated his parents
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Post by bootbound on Nov 21, 2017 13:21:11 GMT -6
Neville 22 LS 21
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Post by reb72 on Nov 21, 2017 13:24:36 GMT -6
Thanks, couldn't remember... My roommate in college went to Covington and lived in Tchefuncta Country Club Estates... remember the 1st time I went home for the weekend with him--WOW! I remember asking him "how come you never told me you were rich?" Really nice guy, would have never know his family was loaded Yeah, I've got a friend like that. We both went to the Jr. High in Bush and graduated from Covington. He had the rebellious attitude and everything, turned out he had a three story house and everything he wanted, just hated his parents My roommate's brother went to St Paul's but he wanted to Covington instead, just a "regular guy"
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Post by mt on Nov 21, 2017 14:13:27 GMT -6
Thanks, couldn't remember... My roommate in college went to Covington and lived in Tchefuncta Country Club Estates... remember the 1st time I went home for the weekend with him--WOW! I remember asking him "how come you never told me you were rich?" Really nice guy, would have never know his family was loaded Yeah, I've got a friend like that. We both went to the Jr. High in Bush and graduated from Covington. He had the rebellious attitude and everything, turned out he had a three story house and everything he wanted, just hated his parents Yea I’ve heard there’s nothing but money out that way!
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