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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2018 11:41:05 GMT -6
Same rules apply as regular season and playoffs correct?
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Post by 62Dontstop34 on May 13, 2018 11:44:20 GMT -6
Same rules apply as regular season and playoffs correct? Yes |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2018 23:13:48 GMT -6
SULPHUR — It’s the moment every kid who picks up a glove or a bat dreams about: Championship game, ninth inning, bases loaded, two outs, 3-2 count.
These moments don’t happen often in high school baseball — only seven innings are scheduled at this level — but Notre Dame has made of habit of nine-inning affairs in the Division III playoffs.
Notre Dame takes down St Thomas Aquinas to win the
Notre Dame takes down St Thomas Aquinas to win the 2018 LHSAA Baseball Championship. Saturday, May 12, 2018.
SCOTT CLAUSE/USA TODAY NETWORK
Three of their last four games, including Saturday’s 6-4 victory against St. Thomas Aquinas in the state championship game, required two innings more than the minimum.
“Maybe nine’s our lucky number,” said Pios first-year coach Chris Stevens. “One of our coaches keeps on joking, ‘You must be a traditionalist. You keep on playing on nine.’”
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So, once again, Notre Dame found itself here, leading 6-4 in the bottom of the ninth inning. The Pios trailed 4-0 entering the sixth inning, but were now three outs away from its first state championship since 2010.
Stevens sent Garrett Miller back for another inning of work. After giving up four runs on four hits in the first, Miller blanked the Falcons over the next seven innings.
“It was rough at first,” said Miller, the game’s Most Outstanding Player. “I was a little wild. I was just trying to get through it just to get to the next inning. … I just had faith in my practice and my training. I knew my players had my back.”
According to the game official keeping track, Miller started ninth having thrown 103 pitches. He walked the leadoff man and struck out the next two. He conceded another free pass with two outs, and a single loaded the bases. By that point, Miller had surpassed the 125-pitch limit.
Surpassed 125?
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Post by TheFireman89 on May 14, 2018 1:39:23 GMT -6
There was a dispute over pitch count in the D5 title game between Claiborne Christian and Grace Christian too. Claiborne ended up winning 2-1. Grace is officially protesting the results of the game saying that the official keeper of the pitch count did not keep it accurately and failed to count around 15 pitches for the CCS starter. The CCS starter had also pitched Wednesday and by LHSAA rule only had a certain amount of pitches he could throw before he had to be pulled. The pitch count was the same for the official keeper and the CCS keeper but was less for the Grace keeper.
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Post by indy on May 14, 2018 5:00:45 GMT -6
You can finish pitching to a batter As long as you start pitching to him under 125.
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Post by ConcessionStandFritoPie on May 14, 2018 8:07:58 GMT -6
There was a dispute over pitch count in the D5 title game between Claiborne Christian and Grace Christian too. Claiborne ended up winning 2-1. Grace is officially protesting the results of the game saying that the official keeper of the pitch count did not keep it accurately and failed to count around 15 pitches for the CCS starter. The CCS starter had also pitched Wednesday and by LHSAA rule only had a certain amount of pitches he could throw before he had to be pulled. The pitch count was the same for the official keeper and the CCS keeper but was less for the Grace keeper. The Grace coach acted like a little baby too. There is an official pitch count that is being kept by a Lake Charles official for each game. That's the one that matters. Seems like they are mad that they couldn't hit a kid that was at 100+ pitches, so he wanted to win the State Championship in an already watered down division, by forfeit. Id be embarrassed if I were him or his players. Not to mention that he looks like some little junior high kid with facial hair in his uniform. I know I couldn't take him seriously if I were the other coach. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 8:17:04 GMT -6
There was a dispute over pitch count in the D5 title game between Claiborne Christian and Grace Christian too. Claiborne ended up winning 2-1. Grace is officially protesting the results of the game saying that the official keeper of the pitch count did not keep it accurately and failed to count around 15 pitches for the CCS starter. The CCS starter had also pitched Wednesday and by LHSAA rule only had a certain amount of pitches he could throw before he had to be pulled. The pitch count was the same for the official keeper and the CCS keeper but was less for the Grace keeper. That's what I heard also. I heard official keeper did not count foul balls in CCS game. I heard Norte Dame pitcher was at 124 he finished batter at 128 and then stayed on the mound to pitch to the next batter. All this on same field correct? Those coaches had to know what they were doing. |
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Post by dawgs871619 on May 14, 2018 8:30:55 GMT -6
I was originally a fan of the pitch count, but I am seeing too many kids pitch over 100 pitches every outing. Is this consistent in other classifications as we are in 5A. Not sure how many college and pros pitch this much on a weekly rotation and then go play in the field. I though the rule was to help our kids, not find a way to maximize their pitches.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 8:33:31 GMT -6
I don't care what a coach looks like. Baseball in this state deserves much better. The LHSAA and that official have some explaining to do. Its bad when Little League can get get it right! |
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Post by TheFireman89 on May 14, 2018 8:55:46 GMT -6
From what I saw in Sulphur there was a big difference in the quality of officials from the C and D5 championships to the big school state championships
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Post by indy on May 14, 2018 9:24:06 GMT -6
There was a dispute over pitch count in the D5 title game between Claiborne Christian and Grace Christian too. Claiborne ended up winning 2-1. Grace is officially protesting the results of the game saying that the official keeper of the pitch count did not keep it accurately and failed to count around 15 pitches for the CCS starter. The CCS starter had also pitched Wednesday and by LHSAA rule only had a certain amount of pitches he could throw before he had to be pulled. The pitch count was the same for the official keeper and the CCS keeper but was less for the Grace keeper. That's what I heard also. I heard official keeper did not count foul balls in CCS game. I heard Norte Dame pitcher was at 124 he finished batter at 128 and then stayed on the mound to pitch to the next batter. All this on same field correct? Those coaches had to know what they were doing. Coaches argue with the refs all the time over calls involving human split second decisions. They ask for second opinions from other refs. Why wouldn’t a coach call time out at 126 and argue then? Even better, in the spirit of sportsmanship why wouldn’t an honorable coach call time out at 124 and discuss it with the opposing coach, refs, and the bookkeeper. Most coaches don’t want to win on a math mistake, they want to win on the field. |
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Post by ConcessionStandFritoPie on May 14, 2018 11:55:26 GMT -6
I don't care what a coach looks like. Baseball in this state deserves much better. The LHSAA and that official have some explaining to do. Its bad when Little League can get get it right! Why do they have explaining to do? Because Grace lost? Because they couldn't hit a kid who had thrown 100+ pitches and likely didn't have his best stuff?
Until they factor in warm-ups, pick offs, bullpen work, throws to bases to put runners out, throws when the kid plays second instead of pitches... etc, then pitch counts are stupid. You cannot sit here and tell me that a kid who throws 123 pitches is better off than a kid that throws 125... so why that number? I don't claim to have the answer to the problem, but I know a pitch limit isn't it. It ahs more to do with limiting the amount of time during the off-season hat a kid subjects his arm to stressful throws. There should be a limit to the amount of games a kid is allowed to play in a calendar year. MAKE them take the summer or winter off from baseball and play other sports.
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Post by khsyellowjackets94 on May 14, 2018 13:02:38 GMT -6
According to the box score I saw Miller was at 127 pitches when he started pitching to the last batter he faced. He should've been taken out after he walked Artigues. Both teams are suppose to have someone counting pitches plus an official counter designated by the home team, probably the LHSAA in this case because it was the State Championship. It's a question of Protocol here. Their putting it all on the counters to notify their coaching staff when the limit has been reached. Pitch counts are compared and confirmed after each inning between the 3 counters. In this game it happened in what turned out to be the last inning. By the letter of the rule, if this pitch count is confirmed, this game will be a forfeit and STA will win. Has there been any official word yet ?
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Post by zebra on May 14, 2018 13:35:36 GMT -6
According to the box score I saw Miller was at 127 pitches when he started pitching to the last batter he faced. He should've been taken out after he walked Artigues. Both teams are suppose to have someone counting pitches plus an official counter designated by the home team, probably the LHSAA in this case because it was the State Championship. It's a question of Protocol here. Their putting it all on the counters to notify their coaching staff when the limit has been reached. Pitch counts are compared and confirmed after each inning between the 3 counters. In this game it happened in what turned out to be the last inning. By the letter of the rule, if this pitch count is confirmed, this game will be a forfeit and STA will win. Has there been any official word yet ? Official pitch counter in the booth has him at 123 before he pitched to the last batter. |
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Post by khsyellowjackets94 on May 14, 2018 13:43:05 GMT -6
According to the box score I saw Miller was at 127 pitches when he started pitching to the last batter he faced. He should've been taken out after he walked Artigues. Both teams are suppose to have someone counting pitches plus an official counter designated by the home team, probably the LHSAA in this case because it was the State Championship. It's a question of Protocol here. Their putting it all on the counters to notify their coaching staff when the limit has been reached. Pitch counts are compared and confirmed after each inning between the 3 counters. In this game it happened in what turned out to be the last inning. By the letter of the rule, if this pitch count is confirmed, this game will be a forfeit and STA will win. Has there been any official word yet ? Official pitch counter in the booth has him at 123 before he pitched to the last batter. What was the count from STA and ND counters ? |
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Post by indy on May 14, 2018 13:49:41 GMT -6
Official pitch counter in the booth has him at 123 before he pitched to the last batter. What was the count from STA and ND counters ? Gamechanger is not official. Apparently They counted a few throws to first. The LHSAA keeps the official count. I was told it’s a non factor now. And FYI you can go over 125 as long as you start a batter at 124 or less. |
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Post by zebra on May 14, 2018 13:58:41 GMT -6
Official pitch counter in the booth has him at 123 before he pitched to the last batter. What was the count from STA and ND counters ? ND was the same as the official pitch count, STA was different. Not sure what they were at |
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Post by khsyellowjackets94 on May 14, 2018 14:02:20 GMT -6
What was the count from STA and ND counters ? ND was the same as the official pitch count, STA was different. Not sure what they were at Ah. As long as at least one count matches the official counter it doesn't matter what the other team has . |
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Post by indy on May 14, 2018 14:31:50 GMT -6
Starting in the 6th inning, and every inning after one of our coaches double checked our pitch count with the lhsaa official. Starting the 9th we were at 103. The last batter he faced he started at 123. He pitched 7 pitches and left at 130.
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Post by 62Dontstop34 on May 14, 2018 23:31:01 GMT -6
Starting in the 6th inning, and every inning after one of our coaches double checked our pitch count with the lhsaa official. Starting the 9th we were at 103. The last batter he faced he started at 123. He pitched 7 pitches and left at 130. Any team would be a fool not to check the pitch count every inning with an official in a play-off game. On a side note...Not that ND's pitcher wasn't impressive enough in the Semifinals game, how in the hell did yalls pitcher hang in there 130 pitches in the finals? That's outrageously impressive or completely risky. I'll have to go with impressive. Congrats to the Pios!! |
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Post by 62Dontstop34 on May 15, 2018 3:01:46 GMT -6
I was originally a fan of the pitch count, but I am seeing too many kids pitch over 100 pitches every outing. Is this consistent in other classifications as we are in 5A. Not sure how many college and pros pitch this much on a weekly rotation and then go play in the field. I though the rule was to help our kids, not find a way to maximize their pitches. But look at it this way...what if there was no pitch count? Then kids could still throw over 100 pitches in a game. As it is now they still have to have a 3 calendar rest day over 76 pitches. A kid that throws 51-75 pitches in a day is done for 2 calendar days, etc. So at least there is accountability and gives the kid's arm a break The down side of throwing close to 125 pitches consistently at the high school level is you can blow the kids arm out. But that's between the player, the coach, and the player's parents. In my opinion the rule still helps the kid out. Should it be pushed to 125? Again that's a parent's call. Just because one pitcher can do it and another pitcher can't throw as many that accurately doesn't mean it's not helping out the pitchers in the end. Now why 125 is the magic number? I don't know. But the pitch count rule shouldn't be changed just because it appears to maxamize a pitcher's talent who can throw over 100 against pitchers who can't. |
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Post by pioneerforlife on May 15, 2018 7:17:29 GMT -6
Starting in the 6th inning, and every inning after one of our coaches double checked our pitch count with the lhsaa official. Starting the 9th we were at 103. The last batter he faced he started at 123. He pitched 7 pitches and left at 130. Any team would be a fool not to check the pitch count every inning with an official in a play-off game. On a side note...Not that ND's pitcher wasn't impressive enough in the Semifinals game, how in the hell did yalls pitcher hang in there 130 pitches in the finals? That's outrageously impressive or completely risky. I'll have to go with impressive. Congrats to the Pios!! And both pitchers will be back next year... |
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Post by fuzzy on May 15, 2018 7:21:34 GMT -6
Any team would be a fool not to check the pitch count every inning with an official in a play-off game. On a side note...Not that ND's pitcher wasn't impressive enough in the Semifinals game, how in the hell did yalls pitcher hang in there 130 pitches in the finals? That's outrageously impressive or completely risky. I'll have to go with impressive. Congrats to the Pios!! And both pitchers will be back next year... What is Catholic NI losing? |
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Post by 62Dontstop34 on May 15, 2018 7:21:45 GMT -6
Any team would be a fool not to check the pitch count every inning with an official in a play-off game. On a side note...Not that ND's pitcher wasn't impressive enough in the Semifinals game, how in the hell did yalls pitcher hang in there 130 pitches in the finals? That's outrageously impressive or completely risky. I'll have to go with impressive. Congrats to the Pios!! And both pitchers will be back next year... Can't wait🐝🐝🐝🙃🙃 |
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Post by blanc4 on May 15, 2018 8:27:05 GMT -6
And both pitchers will be back next year... What is Catholic NI losing? Catholic NI is losing 8 seniors! 7 was on the field in semi finals game! |
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Post by fuzzy on May 15, 2018 8:30:19 GMT -6
What is Catholic NI losing? Catholic NI is losing 8 seniors! 7 was on the field in semi finals game! That stinks for Catholic. Sounds like they had a shot this year. |
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Post by cjr3888 on May 15, 2018 8:39:52 GMT -6
Catholic NI is losing 8 seniors! 7 was on the field in semi finals game! That stinks for Catholic. Sounds like they had a shot this year. They have a shot in 2 years, their sopre class has some talent. |
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Post by blanc4 on May 15, 2018 8:44:25 GMT -6
That stinks for Catholic. Sounds like they had a shot this year. They have a shot in 2 years, their sopre class has some talent. They will be fine next year! Just won’t have the depth of pitching they had this year! |
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Post by pioneerforlife on May 15, 2018 8:49:04 GMT -6
They have a shot in 2 years, their sopre class has some talent. They will be fine next year! Just won’t have the depth of pitching they had this year! We lose 6 but both pitchers back. |
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Post by fuzzy on May 15, 2018 8:54:05 GMT -6
They will be fine next year! Just won’t have the depth of pitching they had this year! We lose 6 but both pitchers back. Calvary loses 2, first base and center field. |
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