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Post by mt on Jun 25, 2019 13:32:58 GMT -6
Interesting read. Being around it a lot a few things I’d like to chime in on Does it help garner attention? Absolutely 100% yes Does it guarantee a schollie? No(I have a specific examples if needed) Does the travel lead to unofficial visits that likely would’ve never happen before? Yep Is it coached by a coach or trainer or person off the street? Depends on the team. Head coaches I don’t believe are allowed to coach them. Most are trainers of some sort(Ryan Clark, Fuselier) or assistant coaches from schools Question I have is if AAU Basketball is a thing, travel baseball is a thing, travel soccer is a thing, what’s the difference with football?
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Post by CLEAN on Jun 25, 2019 15:31:52 GMT -6
It’s a lot easier to cover recruiting for the newspaper because I can drive over to their school and interview them.
Trying to do it statewide is tough. Your livelihood depends on getting players to respond to calls and texts.
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Post by retired on Jun 25, 2019 19:55:30 GMT -6
Yes, they are a heavy pressure based defense. Against Warren Easton (who plays a very similar style) nearly every play was either sack, heavily pressured scramble, tackle for loss, or a big play. That doesn't translate well in 7- on - 7. Not only that, but it develops bad habits in players. I do not agree with the bad habits part of it. I have seen many LBs fly out of their spots as opposed to get a run/pass read or seen DBs with poor eye discipline the first few weeks of August because that is what they have done the whole summer during 7 on 7 competitions. I have seen many WRs not understand the leverages with which they are being covered, particularly in the playaction game because all summer they faced a defense nobody runs on 1st in ten in tackle football.
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Post by retired on Jun 25, 2019 20:34:25 GMT -6
Question I have is if AAU Basketball is a thing, travel baseball is a thing, travel soccer is a thing, what’s the difference with football? There isn't much a difference. However, with the exception of travel soccer (here in the USA) most people who are involved with the kids at the HS level despise the things you mentioned. That is the issue. HS coaches have seen how destructive AAU Basketball and Travel baseball have become, and see 7 on 7 revving up to follow suit. With the added "bonus" of social media
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Post by warriorsblue on Jun 26, 2019 11:17:12 GMT -6
Speaking from my experience,,, you teach 7 on 7 like you do in the fall. When I was with Calvary, Evangel, and now St. Frederick's ,, I saw Coach Alexander and now Billy Bell TEACH it like we play it in the fall,,, if they run mesh at the heels of the defensive line or run a shoot route in 7 on 7 they are taught to break down and make the "Tag" just like you would break down for the tackle in the fall. In my prior experience,, because of how much 7 on 7 we played (the days at Evangel when we used to make the trip to Hoover Ala for the National Championship our passing game was in top form along with the defense playing lights out as we made our way through the season to the state championship. I believe in it,,, it helps them learn to COMPETE even if you lose the competition factor is real as you learn to make the adjustments from "Tag" to tackle and keep your timing from QB to WR in tip top form.
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Post by retired on Jun 26, 2019 12:11:00 GMT -6
Speaking from my experience,,, you teach 7 on 7 like you do in the fall. When I was with Calvary, Evangel, and now St. Frederick's ,, I saw Coach Alexander and now Billy Bell TEACH it like we play it in the fall,,, if they run mesh at the heels of the defensive line or run a shoot route in 7 on 7 they are taught to break down and make the "Tag" just like you would break down for the tackle in the fall. In my prior experience,, because of how much 7 on 7 we played (the days at Evangel when we used to make the trip to Hoover Ala for the National Championship our passing game was in top form along with the defense playing lights out as we made our way through the season to the state championship. I believe in it,,, it helps them learn to COMPETE even if you lose the competition factor is real as you learn to make the adjustments from "Tag" to tackle and keep your timing from QB to WR in tip top form. You can get all that without going to silly weekend competitions played under different rules and with different circumstances than the fall. That is one of my biggest issues with 7 on 7 competitions, as I have stated in above posts. The rules and dynamics dictate a different style and manner of play for optimal results. It is akin to having baseball players only compete in home run derbies all summer. The swing is going to be different. Also, keep in mind that back then, ECA's team was in "top form" because they had 6-7 division one scholarship football players at a school of just around 300 students (high school). As I have said many times (but unfortunately there is no way to know the "real" answer) " If football had been banned in the United states in say, 1990.. would Geiggar and Dawson have been enrolled in the fall of 1996? Would Robert Davis? One can do that for many years during ECA's glory days. Of course, such things as the weekend competitions, 7on7 tournaments etc probably worked in ECA's favor regarding the above circumstances...
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Post by warriorsblue on Jun 26, 2019 14:54:32 GMT -6
Retired, The rules are pretty much the same everywhere. We play it here at Class A school every week,, St. Fred's has made it to one championship in 2013 but it has helped our kids. As I stated before, we teach it like on Friday night not just playing it to win. I didn't get to Evangel by the way until 2002. Personally I believe winning has kids come to a school to play as back then until Evangel noone really chunked the football around since the days of A.L Williams,, every one played the wing-t or something similar. I am all for kids doing something in the summer whether it is baseball, basketball or 7 on 7 football,,, better than getting in trouble for not having something to do.
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Post by retired on Jun 26, 2019 17:26:53 GMT -6
Retired, The rules are pretty much the same everywhere. We play it here at Class A school every week,, St. Fred's has made it to one championship in 2013 but it has helped our kids. As I stated before, we teach it like on Friday night not just playing it to win. I didn't get to Evangel by the way until 2002. Personally I believe winning has kids come to a school to play as back then until Evangel noone really chunked the football around since the days of A.L Williams,, every one played the wing-t or something similar. I am all for kids doing something in the summer whether it is baseball, basketball or 7 on 7 football,,, better than getting in trouble for not having something to do. I don't think you understand what I am saying. The rules are not the same in June and July as they will be in Sept, Oct, Nov and December. This changes things. You say you "teach it like on Friday night" but then you are putting your kids at a disadvantage because the other jokers are running 4/5 wide, drags at the LOS and RBs down the pipe as well as playing 2 man the whole time. I just don't see the value in it. I think the time is better spent other ways. That is why I advocate for running pass skel practices with like minded coaches so you don't try to "game the system". That way your offense practices executing things they will be running in the fall, in the situations they will run them in the fall. If your team plays 6 or 7 wing t or veer teams, you will get a chance to work on your PAP defense, your single high coverage etc. If you are one of those teams, you will a chance to run your actual passing game.
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Post by CLEAN on Jun 26, 2019 17:34:05 GMT -6
It’s a lot easier to cover recruiting for the newspaper because I can drive over to their school and interview them. Trying to do it statewide is tough. Your livelihood depends on getting players to respond to calls and texts. Sorry, meant that post as a response to Logic in another thread
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 12:14:40 GMT -6
SU Lab vs Istrouma 7 on 7 Saturday.
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Post by iamray on Jun 27, 2019 19:55:30 GMT -6
Speaking from my experience,,, you teach 7 on 7 like you do in the fall. When I was with Calvary, Evangel, and now St. Frederick's ,, I saw Coach Alexander and now Billy Bell TEACH it like we play it in the fall,,, if they run mesh at the heels of the defensive line or run a shoot route in 7 on 7 they are taught to break down and make the "Tag" just like you would break down for the tackle in the fall. In my prior experience,, because of how much 7 on 7 we played (the days at Evangel when we used to make the trip to Hoover Ala for the National Championship our passing game was in top form along with the defense playing lights out as we made our way through the season to the state championship. I believe in it,,, it helps them learn to COMPETE even if you lose the competition factor is real as you learn to make the adjustments from "Tag" to tackle and keep your timing from QB to WR in tip top form. Yes, but can't you admit that the "timing" between the QB and WR will change with the presence of a pass rush? Therefor, to practice a "false" timing would be detrimental to the player as you would not be preparing him for what he will see in the fall. Pressure changes everything.
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