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Post by indy on Oct 4, 2019 13:59:48 GMT -6
I wonder if you would feel differently if Loreauville was in division III?
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Post by indy on Oct 4, 2019 21:08:55 GMT -6
Yeah real fair democracy when the group kicked out makes up less than 25% of the total organization. What do you not get about basic fairness? You continue to Dodge my basic question. How is fair that all the schools don't operate under the same rules? Once again, nobody kicked out and everyone is still a member of the LHSAA. Do the selects play for a state title? Yes, so as I've been saying, nobody kicked out of anything. I’m still waiting for an explanation how a team is removed from a classification bracket and played in a division bracket and that’s not kicked out? How 3a “Selects” are forced to play 4a “Selects” and that’s not kicked out?
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Post by cjr3888 on Oct 4, 2019 21:57:07 GMT -6
Once again, nobody kicked out and everyone is still a member of the LHSAA. Do the selects play for a state title? Yes, so as I've been saying, nobody kicked out of anything. I’m still waiting for an explanation how a team is removed from a classification bracket and played in a division bracket and that’s not kicked out? How 3a “Selects” are forced to play 4a “Selects” and that’s not kicked out? I explained it many times, you just don’t like the answer. ND is still a part of the LHSAA.
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Post by indy on Oct 4, 2019 23:09:30 GMT -6
I’m still waiting for an explanation how a team is removed from a classification bracket and played in a division bracket and that’s not kicked out? How 3a “Selects” are forced to play 4a “Selects” and that’s not kicked out? I explained it many times, you just don’t like the answer. ND is still a part of the LHSAA. We are kicked out of a playoff bracket I can admit that because of being in combined districts that we are still in lhsaa and I should have worked it better. We are however kicked out of a bracket.
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Post by indy on Oct 5, 2019 11:15:51 GMT -6
I explained it many times, you just don’t like the answer. ND is still a part of the LHSAA. We are kicked out of a playoff bracket I can admit that because of being in combined districts that we are still in lhsaa and I should have worked it better. We are however kicked out of a bracket. Answer the question you hypocrite. Just admit the public’s are being unfair to the private. Or tell me why it’s fair to put out one set of schools for doing the same thing Loreauville does?
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Post by indy on Oct 5, 2019 11:22:27 GMT -6
You sure like to post that your school is playing by the approved rules. Well so was fine until they changed it. And as well as you understand votes you must be in politics. I mean you have a group that makes up less than 25% of the organization and you think that vote was fair.
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Post by indy on Oct 7, 2019 11:57:35 GMT -6
We are kicked out of a playoff bracket I can admit that because of being in combined districts that we are still in lhsaa and I should have worked it better. We are however kicked out of a bracket. Answer the question you hypocrite. Just admit the public’s are being unfair to the private. Or tell me why it’s fair to put out one set of schools for doing the same thing Loreauville does? You sure like to post that your school is playing by the approved rules. Well so was fine until they changed it. And as well as you understand votes you must be in politics. I mean you have a group that makes up less than 25% of the organization and you think that vote was fair.
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Post by cjr3888 on Oct 7, 2019 12:13:05 GMT -6
Answer the question you hypocrite. Just admit the public’s are being unfair to the private. Or tell me why it’s fair to put out one set of schools for doing the same thing Loreauville does? You sure like to post that your school is playing by the approved rules. Well so was fine until they changed it. And as well as you understand votes you must be in politics. I mean you have a group that makes up less than 25% of the organization and you think that vote was fair. It's not my responsibility to say what's "fair" and what's not. You are the one who keeps bringing up how things aren't fair to your school in your opinion. Each member of the LHSAA willingly joined the organization and has a vote. If ND wants a change, then bring it to a vote.
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Post by indy on Oct 7, 2019 12:21:46 GMT -6
You sure like to post that your school is playing by the approved rules. Well so was fine until they changed it. And as well as you understand votes you must be in politics. I mean you have a group that makes up less than 25% of the organization and you think that vote was fair. It's not my responsibility to say what's "fair" and what's not. You are the one who keeps bringing up how things aren't fair to your school in your opinion. Each member of the LHSAA willingly joined the organization and has a vote. If ND wants a change, then bring it to a vote. Wow, so you can't even be a human being. I'm just trying to find a little more common ground with you. I was glad when you admitted you don't favor the split. I'm trying to get a dialogue going because let's face it the privates don't have enough votes so they need public opinion on their side. Don't be a jerk with this put it up to a vote part. We both know that's a joke. Rules were in place for over 90 years then changed. I was raised that it took a man to voice his opinion. Where do you stand?
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Post by cjr3888 on Oct 7, 2019 12:30:53 GMT -6
It's not my responsibility to say what's "fair" and what's not. You are the one who keeps bringing up how things aren't fair to your school in your opinion. Each member of the LHSAA willingly joined the organization and has a vote. If ND wants a change, then bring it to a vote. Wow, so you can't even be a human being. I'm just trying to find a little more common ground with you. I was glad when you admitted you don't favor the split. I'm trying to get a dialogue going because let's face it the privates don't have enough votes so they need public opinion on their side. Don't be a jerk with this put it up to a vote part. We both know that's a joke. Rules were in place for over 90 years then changed. I was raised that it took a man to voice his opinion. Where do you stand? Can't be a human being? Quit talking down to people and maybe you could have that open dialogue one day. Each time someone brings up a thought that you don't agree with, the first thing you do is throw insults. Act like an adult and you can have dialogue with other adults. Yes, this is politics and if the privates want a change then they need to play politics. Sitting around complaining that the public's are against them won't change anything. I always said I was against the split from the start. However, with the split being the current setup, they should either drop back to 4 classes with the current playoff system or keep 5 classes and cut out the first round of the playoffs. That's another thing I've said from the start.
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Post by indy on Oct 7, 2019 12:33:48 GMT -6
You sure don't mind telling me you think i'm wrong and no one is kicked out. I've admitted I should have used the term removed from a bracket. I've cited 3a privates having to play 4a privates which violates the lhsaa constitution. What about the numerous byes?
or even just answer the most basic question school A and school B both have out of zone kids why doesn't the rule apply equally to both?
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Post by cjr3888 on Oct 7, 2019 13:00:49 GMT -6
You sure don't mind telling me you think i'm wrong and no one is kicked out. I've admitted I should have used the term removed from a bracket. I've cited 3a privates having to play 4a privates which violates the lhsaa constitution. What about the numerous byes? or even just answer the most basic question school A and school B both have out of zone kids why doesn't the rule apply equally to both? I haven't looked at all the numbers but dropping to 4 classes would probably take care of the 3A and 4A selects playing in same bracket. Cutting out the first round and only taking top 16 into playoffs would eliminate the bye weeks. Once again, zones cannot be set by the LHSAA, they are by the school boards or federal mandate. I've also said from the start that a select schools zone should be their parish, matching their closest public school. However, then you run into the situation in St Martin parish where there is no catholic/parochial school in the parish. Those kids can go to a neighboring parish to attend a catholic/parochial school and schools in Lafayette or Iberia parish that take these kids would technically have out of zone kids. There's no one way to be "fair" to all schools, that's why their is a vote.
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Post by indy on Oct 7, 2019 13:01:14 GMT -6
Wow, so you can't even be a human being. I'm just trying to find a little more common ground with you. I was glad when you admitted you don't favor the split. I'm trying to get a dialogue going because let's face it the privates don't have enough votes so they need public opinion on their side. Don't be a jerk with this put it up to a vote part. We both know that's a joke. Rules were in place for over 90 years then changed. I was raised that it took a man to voice his opinion. Where do you stand? Can't be a human being? Quit talking down to people and maybe you could have that open dialogue one day. Each time someone brings up a thought that you don't agree with, the first thing you do is throw insults. Act like an adult and you can have dialogue with other adults. Yes, this is politics and if the privates want a change then they need to play politics. Sitting around complaining that the public's are against them won't change anything. I always said I was against the split from the start. However, with the split being the current setup, they should either drop back to 4 classes with the current playoff system or keep 5 classes and cut out the first round of the playoffs. That's another thing I've said from the start.
Eliminating the first round for the "non selects" would be better but the following issues would still remain
1. 3a "select" still have to play 4a "select" - this violates the lhsaa constitution 2. with the byes you still have "select" that aren't able to play the same number of games as the "non select" 3. the brackets are damaged due to eliminating teams regardless or records and seeding
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Post by indy on Oct 7, 2019 13:16:34 GMT -6
You sure don't mind telling me you think i'm wrong and no one is kicked out. I've admitted I should have used the term removed from a bracket. I've cited 3a privates having to play 4a privates which violates the lhsaa constitution. What about the numerous byes? or even just answer the most basic question school A and school B both have out of zone kids why doesn't the rule apply equally to both? I haven't looked at all the numbers but dropping to 4 classes would probably take care of the 3A and 4A selects playing in same bracket. Cutting out the first round and only taking top 16 into playoffs would eliminate the bye weeks. Once again, zones cannot be set by the LHSAA, they are by the school boards or federal mandate. I've also said from the start that a select schools zone should be their parish, matching their closest public school. However, then you run into the situation in St Martin parish where there is no catholic/parochial school in the parish. Those kids can go to a neighboring parish to attend a catholic/parochial school and schools in Lafayette or Iberia parish that take these kids would technically have out of zone kids. There's no one way to be "fair" to all schools, that's why their is a vote. We completely agree that zones are not and cannot be set by lhsaa. The issue this creates is a level playing field of zones does not exist even among the "non select." The LEA has given advantages to certain public schools over others. So you believe that public schools don't have out of parish kids? That's simply not true. Church Point has St. Landry parish kids. I know of kids who live in Acadia Parish and attend Comeaux. I know of kids who live in Breaux Bridge who attend Southside. Private schools cannot mandate attendance like public schools can so it's not fair to limit them to a parish or a zone. I am okay with stipulation for 4 year eligibility such as only by attending catholic school for k-8 to be eligible at the catholic high school of choice Your theory of a vote isn't fair in the sense of we don't have the same number of each type of school. The founding fathers instituted a system of the electoral college to balance out the national vote and to be fair that would be needed to make a fair vote in the lhsaa. When votes can be made for Spite and the minority group makes up 25% what do you think is gonna happen? Also, if we wanna work in the interest of fairness if we removed a team from the bracket for out of zone kids then we would remove all the teams from the brackets with out of zone kids.
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Post by indy on Oct 7, 2019 13:19:39 GMT -6
You sure don't mind telling me you think i'm wrong and no one is kicked out. I've admitted I should have used the term removed from a bracket. I've cited 3a privates having to play 4a privates which violates the lhsaa constitution. What about the numerous byes? or even just answer the most basic question school A and school B both have out of zone kids why doesn't the rule apply equally to both? I haven't looked at all the numbers but dropping to 4 classes would probably take care of the 3A and 4A selects playing in same bracket. Cutting out the first round and only taking top 16 into playoffs would eliminate the bye weeks. Once again, zones cannot be set by the LHSAA, they are by the school boards or federal mandate. I've also said from the start that a select schools zone should be their parish, matching their closest public school. However, then you run into the situation in St Martin parish where there is no catholic/parochial school in the parish. Those kids can go to a neighboring parish to attend a catholic/parochial school and schools in Lafayette or Iberia parish that take these kids would technically have out of zone kids. There's no one way to be "fair" to all schools, that's why their is a vote. When the lhsaa was in a 4a class system there existed approximately 250 playing schools. They now have close to 300 football playing schools. We should be in a 6 class system with a tiered multipliers.
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Post by iknownuthing on Oct 23, 2019 13:47:23 GMT -6
not kicked out of anything then - yeah ok - why doesn't our bracket say classification if we aren't kicked out of anything? polls say 2a all state says 2a but not our bracket or trophy If ND was kicked out, they wouldn't be a member of the LHSAA. Keep crying because you're not getting your way. I would not say we have been kicked out, I say we have been declared ineligible for participation in state championships. The constitution: Article 4.4.3 establishes and divides the schools into classes and districts and segments numbering. ( No Divisions) Article 8 sets up the classes and defines them (no divisions) 8.1.2 setups up classifications competition. (NOT Divisions). (Selects are not allowed to compete for the assigned classification championship but that is not enumerated in the constitution it clear states CLASSIFICATIONS) 8.7.2 Divisions involving two or more classifications may be created by the Executive Committee to provide competition in certain sports. The Executive Committee shall place schools in districts on an annual basis, if necessary. (Note it does not designate what sports so this was misapplied to create the Football Divisional championships. It was originally meant and used for sports with limited participation and thus for football, baseball and basketball it is a bastardization of the rule and its original intent. The constitution requires a 2/3 vote by membership to change the constitution, but the split was passed by a popular vote and thus the constitution has not been changed legally) 8.7.4 Lists and defines participation in football, there is no mention of divisions only classifications in which to compete. Again, Select schools may not participate for a championship, but are members of the class. My point in all this is that illegitimately, the Select as they are called, have been made ineligible to compete for their assigned Classification Championships yet, they are all members of the association in good standing without due cause for this punishment and isolation. Secondly, because there was never a 2/3 vote to change the constitution, the Bylaws ( by simple majority vote) which are used to break out the Divisions are unconstitutional to both the articles of the association and the rights enumerated in the Constitution of the United STATES of America and the constitution of the State of Louisiana for that matter. And one day the select schools will muster up the courage to file the denial of rights lawsuit against the LHSAA as a prim facia case for violation of its members rights. Having been involved in this type of lawsuit in the past personally, all the select schools have to show is discrimination against them as a class (minority) by the majority. And that could lead to the desolation of the LHSAA which is also enumerated in its constitution. Article 3.8. That would be simple enough just by the post on this board. LOL.....
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Post by chalmetteowl on Oct 30, 2019 11:22:44 GMT -6
I haven't looked at all the numbers but dropping to 4 classes would probably take care of the 3A and 4A selects playing in same bracket. Cutting out the first round and only taking top 16 into playoffs would eliminate the bye weeks. Once again, zones cannot be set by the LHSAA, they are by the school boards or federal mandate. I've also said from the start that a select schools zone should be their parish, matching their closest public school. However, then you run into the situation in St Martin parish where there is no catholic/parochial school in the parish. Those kids can go to a neighboring parish to attend a catholic/parochial school and schools in Lafayette or Iberia parish that take these kids would technically have out of zone kids. There's no one way to be "fair" to all schools, that's why their is a vote. When the lhsaa was in a 4a class system there existed approximately 250 playing schools. They now have close to 300 football playing schools. We should be in a 6 class system with a tiered multipliers. with consolidations over the years we probably have less football schools than we used to
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Post by wshs on Oct 30, 2019 11:33:05 GMT -6
When the lhsaa was in a 4a class system there existed approximately 250 playing schools. They now have close to 300 football playing schools. We should be in a 6 class system with a tiered multipliers. with consolidations over the years we probably have less football schools than we used to 294 football schools this year.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Oct 30, 2019 13:07:24 GMT -6
with consolidations over the years we probably have less football schools than we used to 294 football schools this year. I was gonna post the list of parishes that have consolidated since 2000... but where have the new schools came from? We haven’t added very many. I can think of Lakeshore and the recent one is Southside. In the 90s you had Northshore and Fontainebleau.
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Post by Raven on Oct 30, 2019 13:53:36 GMT -6
294 football schools this year. I was gonna post the list of parishes that have consolidated since 2000... but where have the new schools came from? We haven’t added very many. I can think of Lakeshore and the recent one is Southside. In the 90s you had Northshore and Fontainebleau. We've added some private schools with football teams like Covenant Christian, Houma Christian, Ascension Christian, Ascension Episcopal, Lafayette Christian... None of these schools existed in the 90s, or if they did they did not offer football. Some of the bigger NOLA public schools that did not reopen after Katrina have been replaced by smaller charter schools that have football teams now. Lusher Charter, Livingston Collegiate, Lake Area (now called JFK @ Lake Area), Sci Academy and the KIPP schools, Kenner Discovery, etc. Then there are more small charter schools opening all over the state. Lake Charles College Prep, D'Arbonne Woods, Delhi Charter, Delta Charter... Just to name a few. All have football teams now. Even Baton Rouge is getting additional charter schools. Everyone knows Madison Prep, but there's also Thrive Academy who just started playing varsity football and Collegiate Academy who will be starting after the next reclassification cycle.
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Post by wshs on Oct 30, 2019 13:54:22 GMT -6
294 football schools this year. I was gonna post the list of parishes that have consolidated since 2000... but where have the new schools came from? We haven’t added very many. I can think of Lakeshore and the recent one is Southside. In the 90s you had Northshore and Fontainebleau. Start by looking in the parishes that have consolidated. I'm sure most have had a charter school, private school or both pop up since the consolidation. Also, the consolidations really don't have that big of impact on the number of "football" schools because a lot of the schools that closed didn't have a football team anyway.
I am also thinking that there are a lot more of the smaller private schools playing football now that weren't playing the sport in the 90's. I remember always seeing the Catholic schools, but I don't remember seeing near as many of the other private schools playing football back then.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Oct 30, 2019 18:15:44 GMT -6
I was gonna post the list of parishes that have consolidated since 2000... but where have the new schools came from? We haven’t added very many. I can think of Lakeshore and the recent one is Southside. In the 90s you had Northshore and Fontainebleau. Start by looking in the parishes that have consolidated. I'm sure most have had a charter school, private school or both pop up since the consolidation. Also, the consolidations really don't have that big of impact on the number of "football" schools because a lot of the schools that closed didn't have a football team anyway.
I am also thinking that there are a lot more of the smaller private schools playing football now that weren't playing the sport in the 90's. I remember always seeing the Catholic schools, but I don't remember seeing near as many of the other private schools playing football back then.
yeah soon St. Bernard will be getting their first school since Katrina, which will be run by the people who run Lynn Oaks school, which had football in the 90s
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