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Post by wildcat on Nov 21, 2019 16:30:57 GMT -6
The school my kids attended only allowed so many kids every year. They only had so many slots to fill every year and it was done on a lottery style basis. Plenty of kids got turned away and there were some pissed off parents. When one would move or transfer to another school the next kid in line got their slot.
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Post by pinion on Nov 21, 2019 19:14:23 GMT -6
When you lay the numbers out as you have described, no it really doesn't make much of a difference. But when you are talking about a public school that floats between 3a and 2a then those numbers do matter a lot. Even if it wouldn't affect classification it would still be an advantage for one school to have 50 more kids able to play ball if they so choose don't you think?
The split really started gaining traction after the privates were forced to play down. I've heard a hundred different reasons to the contrary but that was the main driver. It definitely wasn't Curtis beating Winnfield by 30 in the dome in 2011. Our admin started making the push several years before that. I'm sure I'm about to have some haters for making that comment but oh well. When Curtis started raining on the large publics parade they were forced down.
I don't want to come off as insensitive. Providing care for special needs children comes way before any of this sporting nonsense we jab back and forth about. A lot of these kids stay enrolled in the public school system until they are 22 years old. That's 8 years they are on the enrollment. I personally wished they were allowed to stay longer. I'm from a small rural public school and I've seen firsthand how well the other kids treat the special needs children and how well they get them involved.
So the solution is to not count the kids that are not able to play sports. Or make the private schools use a multiplier. I agree with what you're saying, I just think that the solution, or any reasonable solution, was ignored. And nuclear option was what they went for. And that's because they were guided by their emotions (hurt feelings) or it simply something else. Again, I think it's somethings else that remains unsaid. Because I just don't believe there are that many people that are willing to let this go as far as it's gone simply because they're letting their feelings guide them. My niece, in Texas,was just this year out of school and she's 20 now. The state and the school board have really extended themselves and I know the whole family is very thankful.
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Post by BringingTruth on Nov 21, 2019 23:35:32 GMT -6
The school my kids attended only allowed so many kids every year. They only had so many slots to fill every year and it was done on a lottery style basis. Plenty of kids got turned away and there were some pissed off parents. When one would move or transfer to another school the next kid in line got their slot. I’m confused. I know public schools that have a waiting list to get in. These are elementary schools. And you said your kids were younger. So you’re saying a private school is turning away students?
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Post by wshs on Nov 22, 2019 8:20:17 GMT -6
When you lay the numbers out as you have described, no it really doesn't make much of a difference. But when you are talking about a public school that floats between 3a and 2a then those numbers do matter a lot. Even if it wouldn't affect classification it would still be an advantage for one school to have 50 more kids able to play ball if they so choose don't you think?
The split really started gaining traction after the privates were forced to play down. I've heard a hundred different reasons to the contrary but that was the main driver. It definitely wasn't Curtis beating Winnfield by 30 in the dome in 2011. Our admin started making the push several years before that. I'm sure I'm about to have some haters for making that comment but oh well. When Curtis started raining on the large publics parade they were forced down.
I don't want to come off as insensitive. Providing care for special needs children comes way before any of this sporting nonsense we jab back and forth about. A lot of these kids stay enrolled in the public school system until they are 22 years old. That's 8 years they are on the enrollment. I personally wished they were allowed to stay longer. I'm from a small rural public school and I've seen firsthand how well the other kids treat the special needs children and how well they get them involved.
So the solution is to not count the kids that are not able to play sports. Or make the private schools use a multiplier. I agree with what you're saying, I just think that the solution, or any reasonable solution, was ignored. And nuclear option was what they went for. And that's because they were guided by their emotions (hurt feelings) or it simply something else. Again, I think it's somethings else that remains unsaid. Because I just don't believe there are that many people that are willing to let this go as far as it's gone simply because they're letting their feelings guide them. My niece, in Texas,was just this year out of school and she's 20 now. The state and the school board have really extended themselves and I know the whole family is very thankful. I agree somewhat. The solution was ignored for 8 years between 2005 and 2013. After Curtis, Evangel and any other school playing up were pushed down the grumblings started. The issue was ignored until the grumblings turned into anger and emotions started coming into play. I'm not knocking the private schools. Curtis and Evangel recognized the talent level they had and the population base they were pulling from. I think they realized they had no business playing in 2a when they had the teams to win championships against 5a schools. The morons at the LHSAA that pushed them down are at fault for this whole mess we have today. A lot of people want to use Winnfield or their admin as the scapegoat so be it. Is what it is.
After they were forced down into 2a, from 2005-2012, Curtis won 6 titles and Evangel won 2. Only one public school made it to the championship game. My scrubs from Winnfield. I think out of 32 semifinal teams over that time period 8 were public. Like I said, I'm not knocking Curtis and Evangel because had they had the option, they would have been beating Neville and West Monroe those 8 years.
But its crazy for anyone to ignore that this lead directly to where we are today. Think about this.... If the privates were never forced down.... How absurd would it have been for Winnfield's admin to help craft a bill for the split several years prior to 2013 and go in front of the board with it??? Had things not changed in 2005, her own team of Winnfield would have been on about as successful run as any other public school in the state. Title in 2011, possible semi final or title game in 2010, and a deep run in 2012. Followed by their semi final in 2013. She wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 22, 2019 8:24:57 GMT -6
The school my kids attended only allowed so many kids every year. They only had so many slots to fill every year and it was done on a lottery style basis. Plenty of kids got turned away and there were some pissed off parents. When one would move or transfer to another school the next kid in line got their slot. I’m confused. I know public schools that have a waiting list to get in. These are elementary schools. And you said your kids were younger. So you’re saying a private school is turning away students? Yes. When my kids were in the private school they could only allow so many students per year. They Would only allow 40-60 students per grade depending on age. So if they had 38 kids coming back to the 5th grade they only had 2 slots open (if they only allowed 40 for that grade). They held a lottery every year to see who got the slots because they had more applications then openings. Every year they turned away kids. I believe last year it was around 50. They then place the kids on a waiting list and if a slot opens up they go down the list to the next child.
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Post by BringingTruth on Nov 22, 2019 9:17:28 GMT -6
I’m confused. I know public schools that have a waiting list to get in. These are elementary schools. And you said your kids were younger. So you’re saying a private school is turning away students? Yes. When my kids were in the private school they could only allow so many students per year. They Would only allow 40-60 students per grade depending on age. So if they had 38 kids coming back to the 5th grade they only had 2 slots open (if they only allowed 40 for that grade). They held a lottery every year to see who got the slots because they had more applications then openings. Every year they turned away kids. I believe last year it was around 50. They then place the kids on a waiting list and if a slot opens up they go down the list to the next child. Sounds a lot like a few public elementary schools that I know of. It doesn't sound at all like a private high school that competes in the LHSAA, especially since those elementary numbers aren't counted anyway.
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Post by BSD on Nov 22, 2019 9:18:27 GMT -6
I think everyone can agree that the problem with select vs nonselect is different sides are using different set of rules.
So we are finding out that SOME Nonselect schools are getting kids from out of zone just like Select schools. I would also assume that the out of zone public kids are not as many as the out of zone privates. So In order to play by the same set off rules why don't we use the multiplier system but one that takes into account all kids that attend a given school but come from outside their given zone. This would in affect penalize ALL schools that have kids attending their school for outside a predetermined zone for that school.
There are many Nonselect schools that don't get any kids from out of zone they would have a true enrollment number. Schools that only have 10% kids from out of zone would only increase by a factor of 1.10. A school that has out of zone enrollment of 40% would face a multiplier of 1.40. I may be totally crazy and this whole system my be the stupidest thing ever, but if we all want to come together, and I feel more want to come together than stay split we need to have discussions like this. Not call out one another and talk about the other sides but come up with real ideas. Then and only then will we find out who are THE ONES WHO HAS ULTERIOR MOTIVES FOR NOT WANTING TO COME BACK TOGETHER.
This is just my opinion and my opinion isn't always the correct one but we need to TRY and come up with a solution cause we aren't talking about what good for adults we are in this for the kids. Problems start when adults do what's best for them and forget its not about them to begin with.
Ok now everyone can let me have it and tell me what a stupid scenario this is...………………………….
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Post by indy on Nov 22, 2019 9:41:44 GMT -6
I think everyone can agree that the problem with select vs nonselect is different sides are using different set of rules. So we are finding out that SOME Nonselect schools are getting kids from out of zone just like Select schools. I would also assume that the out of zone public kids are not as many as the out of zone privates. So In order to play by the same set off rules why don't we use the multiplier system but one that takes into account all kids that attend a given school but come from outside their given zone. This would in affect penalize ALL schools that have kids attending their school for outside a predetermined zone for that school. There are many Nonselect schools that don't get any kids from out of zone they would have a true enrollment number. Schools that only have 10% kids from out of zone would only increase by a factor of 1.10. A school that has out of zone enrollment of 40% would face a multiplier of 1.40. I may be totally crazy and this whole system my be the stupidest thing ever, but if we all want to come together, and I feel more want to come together than stay split we need to have discussions like this. Not call out one another and talk about the other sides but come up with real ideas. Then and only then will we find out who are THE ONES WHO HAS ULTERIOR MOTIVES FOR NOT WANTING TO COME BACK TOGETHER. This is just my opinion and my opinion isn't always the correct one but we need to TRY and come up with a solution cause we aren't talking about what good for adults we are in this for the kids. Problems start when adults do what's best for them and forget its not about them to begin with. Ok now everyone can let me have it and tell me what a stupid scenario this is...…………………………. Many school boards don’t have traditional zones anymore. Maybe designate feeder schools and use a multiplier for those outside of the feeders. Just a thought
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Post by BSD on Nov 22, 2019 9:44:47 GMT -6
I think everyone can agree that the problem with select vs nonselect is different sides are using different set of rules. So we are finding out that SOME Nonselect schools are getting kids from out of zone just like Select schools. I would also assume that the out of zone public kids are not as many as the out of zone privates. So In order to play by the same set off rules why don't we use the multiplier system but one that takes into account all kids that attend a given school but come from outside their given zone. This would in affect penalize ALL schools that have kids attending their school for outside a predetermined zone for that school. There are many Nonselect schools that don't get any kids from out of zone they would have a true enrollment number. Schools that only have 10% kids from out of zone would only increase by a factor of 1.10. A school that has out of zone enrollment of 40% would face a multiplier of 1.40. I may be totally crazy and this whole system my be the stupidest thing ever, but if we all want to come together, and I feel more want to come together than stay split we need to have discussions like this. Not call out one another and talk about the other sides but come up with real ideas. Then and only then will we find out who are THE ONES WHO HAS ULTERIOR MOTIVES FOR NOT WANTING TO COME BACK TOGETHER. This is just my opinion and my opinion isn't always the correct one but we need to TRY and come up with a solution cause we aren't talking about what good for adults we are in this for the kids. Problems start when adults do what's best for them and forget its not about them to begin with. Ok now everyone can let me have it and tell me what a stupid scenario this is...…………………………. Many school boards don’t have traditional zones anymore. Maybe designate feeder schools and use a multiplier for those outside of the feeders. Just a thought Like I said its not a work of art scenario, but its a start! We need to find out who are the ones that want to work toward a common goal and who are the ones that just wants push back a relish in their own advantages.
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Post by wshs on Nov 22, 2019 11:50:33 GMT -6
I actually read an article in which Winnfield's admin was interested in hearing out the rural/ metro plan a couple of years ago. I'm sure there were tweaks and compromises to be made but I don't think we are alone in knowing there could be a better way.
A lot of publics concerns and issues were valid pre-split and were ignored. A lot privates concerns and issues are valid post split and are being ignored. But the constant accusations and name calling from both sides has created such animosity between everyone to the point that a better way seems almost impossible.
As for who is relishing in the advantages?? It's no secret that any public school that voted for the split because of perceived private school advantages in pulling kids from out of zone/ parish, but now are in the process of building their teams like this is relishing and wants no part of a compromise.
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Post by retired on Nov 24, 2019 13:21:56 GMT -6
I've heard grumblings from a very local private school parents that they are sick of paying the money they pay for their son to go to school at said private school only for him to not get the playing time that they give the kids that they "recruit" or give scholarships to. insert quote here Are those kids WOLVES in sheep's clothing? If so, that has been a common complaint for over a decade now.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Nov 30, 2019 19:54:17 GMT -6
I've heard grumblings from a very local private school parents that they are sick of paying the money they pay for their son to go to school at said private school only for him to not get the playing time that they give the kids that they "recruit" or give scholarships to. insert quote here Are those kids WOLVES in sheep's clothing? If so, that has been a common complaint for over a decade now. maybe they should be watched over like HAWKS
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Post by chalmetteowl on Nov 30, 2019 19:55:54 GMT -6
You must be referring to St. Mary's or St. Edmunds or ED White. Almost the whole starting 22 at LCA can start at the 4A and 5A level. A couple would dominate! maybe they should go to those 4A and 5A schools and prove it
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Post by retired on Nov 30, 2019 20:25:19 GMT -6
Are those kids WOLVES in sheep's clothing? If so, that has been a common complaint for over a decade now. maybe they should be watched over like HAWKS Ahh... well, after a lackluster 4-7 campaign, I am not sure they have too many "recruits". Generally in those types of schools, what you describe is code for a kid with a different skin tone than those parents.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Dec 1, 2019 0:00:34 GMT -6
maybe they should be watched over like HAWKS Ahh... well, after a lackluster 4-7 campaign, I am not sure they have too many "recruits". Generally in those types of schools, what you describe is code for a kid with a different skin tone than those parents. you have to go deeper than the numbers... they beefed up their schedule for that 4-7 record and still damn near won district
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Post by iknownuthing on Jul 10, 2020 8:42:59 GMT -6
I have a niece that was more or less turned away from a private school. She is special needs and they were not equipped to work with her circumstances. They did not come right out and say "we won't take her" but they made it clear that they were not equipped to properly educate her. But that wasn't me directly, so I really cannot swear on a bible that what I was told was said. But it was my brother and wife, so I have a pretty good idea that what I was told was what was said. Evangel isn't set up to take on special needs children. My niece has Down Syndrome. She's 20 now. But when she was school age, my brother/sisNlaw did look into putting her into ECA due to negative experiences with Caddo Schools. ECA couldn't take her and she ended up back in a Caddo school. 2 months into it, she was stuttering and had reverted back to chewing/sucking on her tongue all the time. They ended up moving to East Texas and she finished school there. No longer stutters or chews on her tongue. So yes, I did have a family member turned away. But I do feel like it was the right move as they just were not in a place to take on children with specials needs like my niece. STM has a special needs program and they would have taken her. Moon Griffon moved from Monroe to Lafayette so his daughter could attend STM. Just call and ask him about it. Throughout the years with my experience with either STM or Teurlings, seen an academically qualified student who had a good disciplinary record turned away from STM. That is not how good private schools work. You need all the dollars you can get to pay faculty. The concern is because parents are paying for a quality education, any disruptions in the class room cannot and will not be tolerated. Rightfully so. Now, I have seen kids who because of the academic rigor at STM transfer out their Jr and SR years because they would not be eligible for tops if they stayed at STM. Now I understand there are rules to prevent the recalculation of GPA's so it does not happen as often. I have 1st hand knowledge of a couple of players that could were struggling at STM academically and were told they could not play until their GPA was up to STM standards, (not the LHSAA's) so their parents move them to Lafayette High in one case and Comeaux in the other. I know of a kid whose older siblings all went to STM but due to disciplinary issues his parents were told when they went to register him that he would not be accepted. He played at the other Catholic School and ended up in the SEC as a starter for a while. I have seen first hand the coach from a public school who came to a Catholic School sports banquet with specific intent on recruiting a running back to Comeaux. The private school coaches kid was going there and he was trying to help them bolster the team. The kid went to STM. Overall a private school that is turning away academically qualified students to prevent the school from being classified in a higher sports classification will be a dying school. If you turn away revenue, you turn away your future. Most private school students in Louisiana are generational students. Fatima and Cathedral combined to make STM. St. Cecilia was added to the mix, then came along St Pius to provide a solid feeder system for the school. Not based on athletic success but on academic success.
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Post by iknownuthing on Jul 10, 2020 8:45:42 GMT -6
That last sentence about a football player transferring in after playing against y’all and living in a boosters house sounds illegal. You should turn them in. Not too many people condone that behavior. Did your kids attend public or private? Someone did turn them in and a quick visit is all the LHSAA did. Kid kept playing. My kids are currently public (they are young), I grew up in public schools my wife was private. My kids have done a lab type school that is public funded but we paid tuition to attend. So I’m not sure how you wanna classify that. LAB schools are just as demonic in the eyes of the public school, even more so than private schools because like charters they siphon off $$$$$$$
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Post by iknownuthing on Jul 10, 2020 8:49:18 GMT -6
If that’s how it is set up then yes it was a private school. So my kids have attended both. All Lab schools are outside of the school board. They are part of the university systems that uses it for educational training and experimentation. Thus it is a lab. Not all universities have a lab school, LSU and Southern are the only two high school labs I know about.
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Post by iknownuthing on Jul 10, 2020 8:53:27 GMT -6
I've heard grumblings from a very local private school parents that they are sick of paying the money they pay for their son to go to school at said private school only for him to not get the playing time that they give the kids that they "recruit" or give scholarships to. insert quote here Any parent that is paying tuition so that their kid gets playing time in football is a moron. That is not a school problem, it is not a kid problem it is a parent problem. I have seen those types. Usually the kid is not the "talent" they portray him to be or maybe he has the talent but not the mental drive and determination to put in the effort of other kids. With these types of parents it is never the kids fault in anything in which they fail. Have seen kids pulled out of private school because they did not get playing time on Friday night. Go to the public school and be an instant starter. Usually it ends up with them not playing at either school.
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Post by iknownuthing on Jul 10, 2020 8:55:06 GMT -6
The school my kids attended only allowed so many kids every year. They only had so many slots to fill every year and it was done on a lottery style basis. Plenty of kids got turned away and there were some pissed off parents. When one would move or transfer to another school the next kid in line got their slot. Is that to stay in an athletic class or is it because they only have 30 seats per class and only 2 groups of classes. Some facilities can only legally handle x number of kids.
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Post by iknownuthing on Jul 10, 2020 9:04:56 GMT -6
So the solution is to not count the kids that are not able to play sports. Or make the private schools use a multiplier. I agree with what you're saying, I just think that the solution, or any reasonable solution, was ignored. And nuclear option was what they went for. And that's because they were guided by their emotions (hurt feelings) or it simply something else. Again, I think it's somethings else that remains unsaid. Because I just don't believe there are that many people that are willing to let this go as far as it's gone simply because they're letting their feelings guide them. My niece, in Texas,was just this year out of school and she's 20 now. The state and the school board have really extended themselves and I know the whole family is very thankful. I agree somewhat. The solution was ignored for 8 years between 2005 and 2013. After Curtis, Evangel and any other school playing up were pushed down the grumblings started. The issue was ignored until the grumblings turned into anger and emotions started coming into play. I'm not knocking the private schools. Curtis and Evangel recognized the talent level they had and the population base they were pulling from. I think they realized they had no business playing in 2a when they had the teams to win championships against 5a schools. The morons at the LHSAA that pushed them down are at fault for this whole mess we have today. A lot of people want to use Winnfield or their admin as the scapegoat so be it. Is what it is.
After they were forced down into 2a, from 2005-2012, Curtis won 6 titles and Evangel won 2. Only one public school made it to the championship game. My scrubs from Winnfield. I think out of 32 semifinal teams over that time period 8 were public. Like I said, I'm not knocking Curtis and Evangel because had they had the option, they would have been beating Neville and West Monroe those 8 years.
But its crazy for anyone to ignore that this lead directly to where we are today. Think about this.... If the privates were never forced down.... How absurd would it have been for Winnfield's admin to help craft a bill for the split several years prior to 2013 and go in front of the board with it??? Had things not changed in 2005, her own team of Winnfield would have been on about as successful run as any other public school in the state. Title in 2011, possible semi final or title game in 2010, and a deep run in 2012. Followed by their semi final in 2013. She wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.
Curtis really was't the problem. They were in 4A and most of the better 4A schools competed with them very well They did win some championships but never back to back and some years they did not make it to the finals. It was Evangel in 5A that stirred up the Murder Hornets. They pretty much OWNED West Monroe and Ruston and so those two schools pushed to have EVANGEL play in class. Curtis was then forced downward too. The head of the LHSAA at time was the principle at Ruston and he played the larger privates and publics against the smaller schools. Ruston still can't win a state championship and W. Monroe is there sometimes but not the monolith they thought they once were. Mean while ACADIANA!!!!!
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Post by iknownuthing on Jul 10, 2020 9:07:20 GMT -6
The school my kids attended only allowed so many kids every year. They only had so many slots to fill every year and it was done on a lottery style basis. Plenty of kids got turned away and there were some pissed off parents. When one would move or transfer to another school the next kid in line got their slot. I’m confused. I know public schools that have a waiting list to get in. These are elementary schools. And you said your kids were younger. So you’re saying a private school is turning away students? If the public school has a waiting list they are either a charter school or a dual program school such as a "school of choice" in Lafayette Parish. Both are suppose to considered select depending on the percentage of that dual enrollment.
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Post by movethechains on Jul 11, 2020 19:37:43 GMT -6
wshs….I can't think of a post you've written that I don't agree with. And frankly, I agree with the one I'm about to ask you a question about....earlier you stated that if you lived in south Louisiana you would definitely pay the high cost to send your kids to a private school. And believe me, I agree completely. My question is why would you? Do you think public schools in south La. are much worse than the ones in north La? Just wondering.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Jul 11, 2020 20:14:48 GMT -6
wshs….I can't think of a post you've written that I don't agree with. And frankly, I agree with the one I'm about to ask you a question about....earlier you stated that if you lived in south Louisiana you would definitely pay the high cost to send your kids to a private school. And believe me, I agree completely. My question is why would you? Do you think public schools in south La. are much worse than the ones in north La? Just wondering. What privates are there in CenLa other than Menard? Asking out of ignorance.
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Post by wildcat on Jul 11, 2020 20:49:09 GMT -6
wshs….I can't think of a post you've written that I don't agree with. And frankly, I agree with the one I'm about to ask you a question about....earlier you stated that if you lived in south Louisiana you would definitely pay the high cost to send your kids to a private school. And believe me, I agree completely. My question is why would you? Do you think public schools in south La. are much worse than the ones in north La? Just wondering. What privates are there in CenLa other than Menard? Asking out of ignorance. Depends on your definition of cenla. There’s one in Natchitoches, one on the campus of LSUA, one in Ville Platte and I think there’s another one in the area I just can’t think of it.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Jul 11, 2020 20:59:56 GMT -6
What privates are there in CenLa other than Menard? Asking out of ignorance. Depends on your definition of cenla. There’s one in Natchitoches, one on the campus of LSUA, one in Ville Platte and I think there’s another one in the area I just can’t think of it. I know St Mary’s is Natchitoches. And Sacred Heat in Ville Platte Who are the others?
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Post by wshs on Jul 12, 2020 6:57:43 GMT -6
I agree somewhat. The solution was ignored for 8 years between 2005 and 2013. After Curtis, Evangel and any other school playing up were pushed down the grumblings started. The issue was ignored until the grumblings turned into anger and emotions started coming into play. I'm not knocking the private schools. Curtis and Evangel recognized the talent level they had and the population base they were pulling from. I think they realized they had no business playing in 2a when they had the teams to win championships against 5a schools. The morons at the LHSAA that pushed them down are at fault for this whole mess we have today. A lot of people want to use Winnfield or their admin as the scapegoat so be it. Is what it is.
After they were forced down into 2a, from 2005-2012, Curtis won 6 titles and Evangel won 2. Only one public school made it to the championship game. My scrubs from Winnfield. I think out of 32 semifinal teams over that time period 8 were public. Like I said, I'm not knocking Curtis and Evangel because had they had the option, they would have been beating Neville and West Monroe those 8 years.
But its crazy for anyone to ignore that this lead directly to where we are today. Think about this.... If the privates were never forced down.... How absurd would it have been for Winnfield's admin to help craft a bill for the split several years prior to 2013 and go in front of the board with it??? Had things not changed in 2005, her own team of Winnfield would have been on about as successful run as any other public school in the state. Title in 2011, possible semi final or title game in 2010, and a deep run in 2012. Followed by their semi final in 2013. She wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.
Curtis really was't the problem. They were in 4A and most of the better 4A schools competed with them very well They did win some championships but never back to back and some years they did not make it to the finals. It was Evangel in 5A that stirred up the Murder Hornets. They pretty much OWNED West Monroe and Ruston and so those two schools pushed to have EVANGEL play in class. Curtis was then forced downward too. The head of the LHSAA at time was the principle at Ruston and he played the larger privates and publics against the smaller schools. Ruston still can't win a state championship and W. Monroe is there sometimes but not the monolith they thought they once were. Mean while ACADIANA!!!!! Curtis won 7 out of 9 state titles leading up to 2005 when the decision was made to push them down. I think they may have failed to make the title game three times out of the 13 or 14 years they had been in 4a and won a total of 9 in the time frame. Don’t forget teams like Neville had moved to 4a prior to 2005 and were having a difficult time competing with teams like Curtis
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Post by wildcat on Jul 12, 2020 8:13:54 GMT -6
Depends on your definition of cenla. There’s one in Natchitoches, one on the campus of LSUA, one in Ville Platte and I think there’s another one in the area I just can’t think of it. I know St Mary’s is Natchitoches. And Sacred Heat in Ville Platte Who are the others? University academy on the campus of LSUA I’m sure there’s another one I just can’t think of it.
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Post by retired on Jul 12, 2020 10:03:10 GMT -6
Curtis really was't the problem. They were in 4A and most of the better 4A schools competed with them very well They did win some championships but never back to back and some years they did not make it to the finals. It was Evangel in 5A that stirred up the Murder Hornets. They pretty much OWNED West Monroe and Ruston and so those two schools pushed to have EVANGEL play in class. Curtis was then forced downward too. The head of the LHSAA at time was the principle at Ruston and he played the larger privates and publics against the smaller schools. Ruston still can't win a state championship and W. Monroe is there sometimes but not the monolith they thought they once were. Mean while ACADIANA!!!!! Curtis won 7 out of 9 state titles leading up to 2005 when the decision was made to push them down. I think they may have failed to make the title game three times out of the 13 or 14 years they had been in 4a and won a total of 9 in the time frame. Don’t forget teams like Neville had moved to 4a prior to 2005 and were having a difficult time competing with teams like Curtis Agreed. Take away Salmen and Curtis wins 10 titles in row from 1993 to 2002. While counterintuitive, the purpose of the "play in class" rule was to shine a light on the fact that the JC and ECA football programs in no way, shape, or form resembled the vast majority of private schools with around 300 kids.
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Post by lhstigerfan on Nov 25, 2020 16:00:15 GMT -6
And that Sir is where we totally agree! sounds like we don't have a School problem but a L H S A A problem! I do not remember the names of the 2 kids from Logansport that went to evangel many years ago, but had something been done at that time none of this would have never happened. Also had the LHSAA never made evangel and Curtis play down to their enrollment none of this would have happened. I realize it is a governing body and does what the majority wants but that is one vote that they should have vetoed and said no to. Robert Davis (WR) and Cisco Perkins (RB).
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