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Post by btown on May 6, 2016 5:52:37 GMT -6
Indy, you talk about competing against the best. How many games did you schedule against John Curtis and Evangel in that 10 year time frame when Curtis and Evangel were forced to play down? No one can accuse those 2 schools of dodging anyone. I'd say that 2a did compete against the best for 10 yrs. Were y'all running to their defense then. No! It's called selective enrollment.You got smashed by U-High and Parkview, so u miraculously dropped to 2a? Parkview and U- High aren't on the same level as Curtis and Evangel. You like to say that if you can't beat em vote em out. I'd say to you, if you can't beat em dodge em! Snoprat, I know nothing about the workings of ND at all, but am a lifetime private school student and parent. Do people really think that private schools sit there and count enrollment and intentionally decrease numbers ( remember these entities are in the tuition business) so as to drop to a lower enrollment where they perceive that competition is lesser? What do they do with the extra students? Just kick them out? Further evidence of the syndrome I posted about in the 'THE answer' thread. Or maybe, just maybe, there was some variance in the class size of the feeder schools and they dropped below the threshold? They have 5 feeder schools. Do not know of any 2A school that has that many.
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Post by indy on May 6, 2016 6:02:30 GMT -6
I just can't imagine being from such a successful program like Kinder and not wanting to compete with the best. It's a sad deal that he has chosen himself to represent a top notch program. No school should expect to win every time by my guess is he wants to cull till they can. Sorry, That's just weak. Indy, you talk about competing against the best. How many games did you schedule against John Curtis and Evangel in that 10 year time frame when Curtis and Evangel were forced to play down? No one can accuse those 2 schools of dodging anyone. I'd say that 2a did compete against the best for 10 yrs. Were y'all running to their defense then. No! It's called selective enrollment.You got smashed by U-High and Parkview, so u miraculously dropped to 2a? Parkview and U- High aren't on the same level as Curtis and Evangel. You like to say that if you can't beat em vote em out. I'd say to you, if you can't beat em dodge em! ND will be 50 years old this upcoming football season. We were 2A or played up to 2A for 32 years. spent 18 years on the bottom of 3A. We played Curtis and Evangel many times. And will play them again if the situation presents itself. But to schedule them and travel to Nola or Shreveport probably wouldn't happen. What money we would make on a home game we would lose on charter busses on the road game. As far as enrollment we wish we had a lot more $$$$
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Post by iknownuthing on May 6, 2016 7:05:45 GMT -6
I may be wrong, but I thought the main reason for the split was because of john curtis and evangel being put down in AA back in the day. I don't remember anyone wanting to split over any local private schools. They aren't dominating any sports that I know of. That's the disconnect. The idea that all private schools have an inherent advantage is a bastion of fantastical thinking which has arisen out of the northern territory. Sadly it will be the end of High School athletics in Louisiana as we know it.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 7:39:01 GMT -6
I may be wrong, but I thought the main reason for the split was because of john curtis and evangel being put down in AA back in the day. I don't remember anyone wanting to split over any local private schools. They aren't dominating any sports that I know of. That's the disconnect. The idea that all private schools have an inherent advantage is a bastion of fantastical thinking which has arisen out of the northern territory. Sadly it will be the end of High School athletics in Louisiana as we know it. All private schools have an inhereant advantage. Some choose to use it, some dont. However, even when it is not chosen, it still exist. Anytime you can deny admittance in to your school, business, etc..............you control culture. Not a bad thing at all. As a matter of a fact, I am 100% for it. However, it is an advantage that cannot be used in the public sector. All the difference in the world both academically and athletically. Show me a select school who is sub par academically and athletically, and I will show you bad administration, coaches, and teachers. Every thing needed exists, but them not being able to use it speaks to incompetence
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Post by pioneer on May 6, 2016 8:15:31 GMT -6
That's the disconnect. The idea that all private schools have an inherent advantage is a bastion of fantastical thinking which has arisen out of the northern territory. Sadly it will be the end of High School athletics in Louisiana as we know it. All private schools have an inhereant advantage. Some choose to use it, some dont. However, even when it is not chosen, it still exist. Anytime you can deny admittance in to your school, business, etc..............you control culture. Not a bad thing at all. As a matter of a fact, I am 100% for it. However, it is an advantage that cannot be used in the public sector. All the difference in the world both academically and athletically. Show me a select school who is sub par academically and athletically, and I will show you bad administration, coaches, and teachers. Every thing needed exists, but them not being able to use it speaks to incompetence I have the opportunity to be a thief every time I walk into a store. If I choose not to steal am I still a thief?
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Post by indy on May 6, 2016 8:24:24 GMT -6
All private schools have an inhereant advantage. Some choose to use it, some dont. However, even when it is not chosen, it still exist. Anytime you can deny admittance in to your school, business, etc..............you control culture. Not a bad thing at all. As a matter of a fact, I am 100% for it. However, it is an advantage that cannot be used in the public sector. All the difference in the world both academically and athletically. Show me a select school who is sub par academically and athletically, and I will show you bad administration, coaches, and teachers. Every thing needed exists, but them not being able to use it speaks to incompetence I have the opportunity to be a thief every time I walk into a store. If I choose not to steal am I still a thief? Lol, Great point! On the same note, Bob has an opertunity not to be an when he post but chooses to be one.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 8:50:42 GMT -6
All private schools have an inhereant advantage. Some choose to use it, some dont. However, even when it is not chosen, it still exist. Anytime you can deny admittance in to your school, business, etc..............you control culture. Not a bad thing at all. As a matter of a fact, I am 100% for it. However, it is an advantage that cannot be used in the public sector. All the difference in the world both academically and athletically. Show me a select school who is sub par academically and athletically, and I will show you bad administration, coaches, and teachers. Every thing needed exists, but them not being able to use it speaks to incompetence I have the opportunity to be a thief every time I walk into a store. If I choose not to steal am I still a thief? No you are not a thief, but you are in a situation where you can be, readily and legally. If I walk in to a store and CHOOSE to be a thief, but am handcuffed and gaurded by police, its MUCH harder for me. Its only two possibilities here, Select schools are exclusive, or not. If they are, then they should be in athletics as well. There is a reason over half the states in America are battling this same issue...........its because it exists.
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Post by indy on May 6, 2016 9:18:54 GMT -6
I have the opportunity to be a thief every time I walk into a store. If I choose not to steal am I still a thief? No you are not a thief, but you are in a situation where you can be, readily and legally. If I walk in to a store and CHOOSE to be a thief, but am handcuffed and gaurded by police, its MUCH harder for me. Its only two possibilities here, Select schools are exclusive, or not. If they are, then they should be in athletics as well. There is a reason over half the states in America are battling this same issue...........its because it exists. Publics are exclusive. We have gotten many students who were expelled or asked to leave for grades, drugs, etc. You need a new angle. Geez just compete already. Wus
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Post by iknownuthing on May 6, 2016 9:40:37 GMT -6
That's the disconnect. The idea that all private schools have an inherent advantage is a bastion of fantastical thinking which has arisen out of the northern territory. Sadly it will be the end of High School athletics in Louisiana as we know it. All private schools have an inhereant advantage. Some choose to use it, some dont. However, even when it is not chosen, it still exist. Anytime you can deny admittance in to your school, business, etc..............you control culture. Not a bad thing at all. As a matter of a fact, I am 100% for it. However, it is an advantage that cannot be used in the public sector. All the difference in the world both academically and athletically. Show me a select school who is sub par academically and athletically, and I will show you bad administration, coaches, and teachers. Every thing needed exists, but them not being able to use it speaks to incompetence A sub par academic private school, whether or not it is athletically successful is a bankrupt and closed school. St. Martin Academy, Belmont Academy etc. The list goes on and on of closed private schools. Some close simply because economic downturn Redemptorist in Baton Rouge. Meanwhile failed public schools have millions of dollars thrown into them and are perpetuated with poor academics and sub par education. Just look at the list of failed public schools and the disappointment of thousands of children in them who are being failed by those perpetuating a bad system. Repeating an accusation without foundation does not prove a point, it just shows mental instability and a lack of reasoned critical thinking. It does not make it exist or prove that it exist it shows simple mindedness. And it is becoming more and more prevalent as to the reasons why you are no longer a coach at a private school. I feel for your students because you surely cannot be teaching critical thinking. Or perhaps that is your so called expertise?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 9:42:38 GMT -6
All private schools have an inhereant advantage. Some choose to use it, some dont. However, even when it is not chosen, it still exist. Anytime you can deny admittance in to your school, business, etc..............you control culture. Not a bad thing at all. As a matter of a fact, I am 100% for it. However, it is an advantage that cannot be used in the public sector. All the difference in the world both academically and athletically. Show me a select school who is sub par academically and athletically, and I will show you bad administration, coaches, and teachers. Every thing needed exists, but them not being able to use it speaks to incompetence A sub par academic private school, whether or not it is athletically successful is a bankrupt and closed school. St. Martin Academy, Belmont Academy etc. The list goes on and on of closed private schools. Some close simply because economic downturn Redemptorist in Baton Rouge. Meanwhile failed public schools have millions of dollars thrown into them and are perpetuated with poor academics and sub par education. Just look at the list of failed public schools and the disappointment of thousands of children in them who are being failed by those perpetuating a bad system. Repeating an accusation without foundation does not prove a point, it just shows mental instability and a lack of reasoned critical thinking. It does not make it exist or prove that it exist it shows simple mindedness. And it is becoming more and more prevalent as to the reasons why you are no longer a coach at a private school. I feel for your students because you surely cannot be teaching critical thinking. Or perhaps that is your so called expertise? Yeah, you are both right, Im sure. Now, man up and compete against schools who gain and deny enrollment like yourselves. This is really embarrasing. Im sorry you are butthurt. Try some ointment.
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Post by iknownuthing on May 6, 2016 9:45:38 GMT -6
No you are not a thief, but you are in a situation where you can be, readily and legally. If I walk in to a store and CHOOSE to be a thief, but am handcuffed and gaurded by police, its MUCH harder for me. Its only two possibilities here, Select schools are exclusive, or not. If they are, then they should be in athletics as well. There is a reason over half the states in America are battling this same issue...........its because it exists. Publics are exclusive. We have gotten many students who were expelled or asked to leave for grades, drugs, etc. You need a new angle. Geez just compete already. Wus Teurlings a couple of years ago took in a kid who was expelled from Breaux Bridge High School. He did not play and sat out a year as required by the LHSAA. Then the LHSAA and Breaux Bridge high forced this kid to BBHS for his senior year, even though he met all the eligibility requirements at Teurlings. He now plays (or was playing) at LSU. How is BBHS not selective of their students. Kick them out, then force them back. No good deed goes unpunished?
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Post by iknownuthing on May 6, 2016 9:48:28 GMT -6
A sub par academic private school, whether or not it is athletically successful is a bankrupt and closed school. St. Martin Academy, Belmont Academy etc. The list goes on and on of closed private schools. Some close simply because economic downturn Redemptorist in Baton Rouge. Meanwhile failed public schools have millions of dollars thrown into them and are perpetuated with poor academics and sub par education. Just look at the list of failed public schools and the disappointment of thousands of children in them who are being failed by those perpetuating a bad system. Repeating an accusation without foundation does not prove a point, it just shows mental instability and a lack of reasoned critical thinking. It does not make it exist or prove that it exist it shows simple mindedness. And it is becoming more and more prevalent as to the reasons why you are no longer a coach at a private school. I feel for your students because you surely cannot be teaching critical thinking. Or perhaps that is your so called expertise? Yeah, you are both right, Im sure. Now, man up and compete against schools who gain and deny enrollment like yourselves. This is really embarrasing. Im sorry you are butthurt. Try some ointment. Wow, you don't have any reasoned thinking only insults and the demand to go away. I hope we do go to a new association, so we do not have to deal with coaches like you any more. The only one being embarrassed is you, to your school and the students you teach. They are the ones who need the ointment.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 10:11:08 GMT -6
Yeah, you are both right, Im sure. Now, man up and compete against schools who gain and deny enrollment like yourselves. This is really embarrasing. Im sorry you are butthurt. Try some ointment. Wow, you don't have any reasoned thinking only insults and the demand to go away. I hope we do go to a new association, so we do not have to deal with coaches like you any more. The only one being embarrassed is you, to your school and the students you teach. They are the ones who need the ointment. You want to put ointment on my students? Wow............ANOTHER reason to split!!!
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Post by indy on May 6, 2016 10:26:35 GMT -6
Wow, you don't have any reasoned thinking only insults and the demand to go away. I hope we do go to a new association, so we do not have to deal with coaches like you any more. The only one being embarrassed is you, to your school and the students you teach. They are the ones who need the ointment. You want to put ointment on my students? Wow............ANOTHER reason to split!!! Really? That's all you got? Tell me, what does that ointment taste like?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 10:47:21 GMT -6
You want to put ointment on my students? Wow............ANOTHER reason to split!!! Really? That's all you got? Tell me, what does that ointment taste like? Well, Catholic school and everything...............makes sense. Ointment on students.............shameful!
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Post by indy on May 6, 2016 11:06:54 GMT -6
Really? That's all you got? Tell me, what does that ointment taste like? Well, Catholic school and everything...............makes sense. Ointment on students.............shameful! That's pretty lame, for you, being a legend and all!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 11:31:04 GMT -6
Well, Catholic school and everything...............makes sense. Ointment on students.............shameful! That's pretty lame, for you, being a legend and all! I'm a legend? How much stuff do you make up or embellish daily to fit your needs? Does your wife know?
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Post by pioneerforlife on May 6, 2016 16:08:50 GMT -6
Snoprat, I know nothing about the workings of ND at all, but am a lifetime private school student and parent. Do people really think that private schools sit there and count enrollment and intentionally decrease numbers ( remember these entities are in the tuition business) so as to drop to a lower enrollment where they perceive that competition is lesser? What do they do with the extra students? Just kick them out? Further evidence of the syndrome I posted about in the 'THE answer' thread. Or maybe, just maybe, there was some variance in the class size of the feeder schools and they dropped below the threshold? They have 5 feeder schools. Do not know of any 2A school that has that many. And 2 of the feeder schools dont produce any athletes and one might produce 3-4 so basically we have 2 feeder schools that count for 95% of the athletes
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Post by indy on May 6, 2016 17:38:44 GMT -6
They have 5 feeder schools. Do not know of any 2A school that has that many. And 2 of the feeder schools dont produce any athletes and one might produce 3-4 so basically we have 2 feeder schools that count for 95% of the athletes When we were 3A it was ok with btown that we had 5 feeder schools. Truth is most schools do. CP just to the north and almost the same size has 7. Richard,mire,branch, OMO, CP middle and 2 in st Landry Parish.
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Post by pioneer on May 6, 2016 18:24:08 GMT -6
And 2 of the feeder schools dont produce any athletes and one might produce 3-4 so basically we have 2 feeder schools that count for 95% of the athletes When we were 3A it was ok with btown that we had 5 feeder schools. Truth is most schools do. CP just to the north and almost the same size has 7. Richard,mire,branch, OMO, CP middle and 2 in st Landry Parish. Side note, we just beat STA 7-3
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Post by 1stdown on May 6, 2016 19:55:14 GMT -6
Pretty sure kinder just has kinder elementary/middle. No other feeders.
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Post by indy on May 6, 2016 20:05:03 GMT -6
Pretty sure kinder just has kinder elementary/middle. No other feeders. Y'all lucky, makes life simpler
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Post by laprepfb on May 7, 2016 7:42:02 GMT -6
Pretty sure kinder just has kinder elementary/middle. No other feeders. This argument, like many of the others, is asinine. What does it matter how many feeder schools a high school, public or private, has? It makes no difference if they get 100 kids from one large middle school or 20 each from five tiny ones. The dioceses of Shreveport, Monroe, and Lake Charles each have only one Catholic high school, but multiple elementary/middle schools. Should kids who attend these not be able to continue attending Catholic schools like they have their entire lives?
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Post by Brad on May 7, 2016 9:46:21 GMT -6
Going to lock this thread, seems like it has gotten more to attacking each others opinions then discussing them.
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