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Post by iknownuthing on May 20, 2016 9:06:07 GMT -6
I started to do this in another thread, but decided it would be better served in it's own menu item and was predicated upon the idea that JC and e are cheaters (and thus all private schools who have an unfair advantage with selection) who do not follow the rules. I would say, the problem is not whether or not JC followed the rules. They did, to the letter. Too well some may say. Just like every other private school that wins regularly, they routinely have ALL their records pulled by the LHSAA with sometimes multiple audits during the year and unannounced. Just ask HORT, he can tell you how it is done. How many times has JC been penalized for cheating? To my knowledge NONE. What this is really about, are the parents and the principals who have seen talented young men from their public school zone decide to use their "free will" and "God given" right of free will freedom of choice. The socialist mentality that exist in the public school system is that all things belong to the state and that includes any child under the age of 18. When parents decide that little Johnny would be better served both educationally and athletically by going to a private school, they removed themselves from their socialist handlers and the stream of dollars that floods the public school system. This is the true driving force behind this whole agenda to punish private schools and the people, particularly poor people with athletic children, who exercise that choice to remove themselves from the repressive socialist system. It is about an attempt to control people and stave off the flood of dollars exiting the public schools by people choosing private schools, charter schools and home schooling. Every public school in this state receives money from the state and their local school board based on numbers, as such every student is a bought and paid for piece of property, nothing more. (not saying some care, some do). It is why EVERY public school has "Ghost" students that they keep on the role until it can be determined if they even exist. Some schools never remove the "Ghosts" to keep the dollars. It is why the budget enrollment supplied to BESE never matches the reclassification numbers given to LHSAA. In Lafayette Parish as an example, there are close to 2,500 students in private high schools and another 200 maybe more that are home schooled, there are no charter high schools yet. If they all went to a single school enrollment, it would not be just the largest high school in the parish, it would be the largest school in the state. That is HIGH SCHOOL ONLY. You can multiple that number by 3 for elementary and middle school private students and your looking at nearly 7,500 students in Lafayette parish alone that are outside of the public school budgeting process. In dollar terms, that is $28,740,000 using $3,832 as the state contribution that the public sector is losing in Lafayette PARISH alone. And we will not even touch the Federal money coming into that system. source: www.nola.com/education/index.ssf/2014/08/map_how_much_does_louisiana_fu.html Then there are the Charter schools pulling even more money from them. To prove my point further, look at what happened in Zachary and Central. They removed themselves from EBR Public schools. EBR LOST that state contribution, people MOVED to both cities trying to escape the disastrous education system of EBR, resulting in dollar growth in those communities and a vast improvement in the schools both athletically and academically, because they were able to restrict the students who were attending those schools. The outcome, Redemptorist closed and EBR parish schools system has spiraled downward. It is why EBR fought so violently against ST. Gabriel who was tried doing the same thing. Zachary now has an advantage over any other public school in the state along with Central and they will be monsters on the football field moving forward. It was the same advantage W. Monroe has had over the past 20 years. Just look at the improvements they have made in those schools over the years since they separated. It is astonishing. Separating the playoffs is not going to achieve your goal. Traditional parish controlled school systems will continue to fail, private schools and charter schools will grow both in population and number, more communities will look to remove themselves from the parish system of bureaucracy, traditional public school education in this state will falter and end up being a minority of schools, mostly located in the poverty of N. Louisiana. Particularly in the south central and south eastern part of the state this model of independence will be duplicated and your northern championships will dwindle with the exception of the Metro areas. Private schools will move out of control for athletics from the public school principals and be an antonymous and growing organization. Meanwhile the LHSAA will contract , stagnate and become isolated by intolerance and hate. Finally, after the private schools leave the association, faced with a new evil in the ISD and the Magnets, traditional public schools will once again rise up against those such as Zachary, Central, W. Monroe, remaining charter schools and the Magnet schools forcing them into a separate bracket for playoffs. At that time, the Private school association will be waiting with open arms of love and inclusion. That's my rant for today. Thank you for reading.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 9:30:34 GMT -6
"To prove my point further, look at what happened in Zachary and Central. They removed themselves from EBR Public schools. EBR LOST that state contribution, people MOVED to both cities trying to escape the disastrous education system of EBR, resulting in dollar growth in those communities and a vast improvement in the schools both athletically and academically, because they were able to restrict the students who were attending those schools. The outcome, Redemptorist closed and EBR parish schools system has spiraled downward. It is why EBR fought so violently against ST. Gabriel who was tried doing the same thing. Zachary now has an advantage over any other public school in the state along with Central and they will be monsters on the football field moving forward. It was the same advantage W. Monroe has had over the past 20 years. Just look at the improvements they have made in those schools over the years since they separated. It is astonishing."
Finally something we can agree upon. Repeating this model is what we have wanted all along in the inner workings of this parish. If LPSS cant fix the issues in public ed around here then its time to look at different avenues. Teachers/coaches and students have waited patiently for 20 years for the appropriate updates to our parish.
-It has to get worse before it gets better.
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Post by btown on May 20, 2016 9:48:51 GMT -6
"To prove my point further, look at what happened in Zachary and Central. They removed themselves from EBR Public schools. EBR LOST that state contribution, people MOVED to both cities trying to escape the disastrous education system of EBR, resulting in dollar growth in those communities and a vast improvement in the schools both athletically and academically, because they were able to restrict the students who were attending those schools. The outcome, Redemptorist closed and EBR parish schools system has spiraled downward. It is why EBR fought so violently against ST. Gabriel who was tried doing the same thing. Zachary now has an advantage over any other public school in the state along with Central and they will be monsters on the football field moving forward. It was the same advantage W. Monroe has had over the past 20 years. Just look at the improvements they have made in those schools over the years since they separated. It is astonishing." Finally something we can agree upon. Repeating this model is what we have wanted all along in the inner workings of this parish. If LPSS cant fix the issues in public ed around here then its time to look at different avenues. Teachers/coaches and students have waited patiently for 20 years for the appropriate updates to our parish. -It has to get worse before it gets better. Is Zachary funded by the public tax money of the people that live in that school zone?
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Post by iknownuthing on May 20, 2016 10:10:12 GMT -6
"To prove my point further, look at what happened in Zachary and Central. They removed themselves from EBR Public schools. EBR LOST that state contribution, people MOVED to both cities trying to escape the disastrous education system of EBR, resulting in dollar growth in those communities and a vast improvement in the schools both athletically and academically, because they were able to restrict the students who were attending those schools. The outcome, Redemptorist closed and EBR parish schools system has spiraled downward. It is why EBR fought so violently against ST. Gabriel who was tried doing the same thing. Zachary now has an advantage over any other public school in the state along with Central and they will be monsters on the football field moving forward. It was the same advantage W. Monroe has had over the past 20 years. Just look at the improvements they have made in those schools over the years since they separated. It is astonishing." Finally something we can agree upon. Repeating this model is what we have wanted all along in the inner workings of this parish. If LPSS cant fix the issues in public ed around here then its time to look at different avenues. Teachers/coaches and students have waited patiently for 20 years for the appropriate updates to our parish. -It has to get worse before it gets better. Is Zachary funded by the public tax money of the people that live in that school zone? Funded by both local taxation and by state funding. So is Central and Baker. The community has boomed with high income flight out of BR the average annual household income in Zachary is over $66K, which means more money to spend more tax dollars to collect. When STM first moved up to 5A they sent a delegation over to look at the turf. The next year they had the turf in place.
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Post by iknownuthing on May 20, 2016 10:20:25 GMT -6
"To prove my point further, look at what happened in Zachary and Central. They removed themselves from EBR Public schools. EBR LOST that state contribution, people MOVED to both cities trying to escape the disastrous education system of EBR, resulting in dollar growth in those communities and a vast improvement in the schools both athletically and academically, because they were able to restrict the students who were attending those schools. The outcome, Redemptorist closed and EBR parish schools system has spiraled downward. It is why EBR fought so violently against ST. Gabriel who was tried doing the same thing. Zachary now has an advantage over any other public school in the state along with Central and they will be monsters on the football field moving forward. It was the same advantage W. Monroe has had over the past 20 years. Just look at the improvements they have made in those schools over the years since they separated. It is astonishing." Finally something we can agree upon. Repeating this model is what we have wanted all along in the inner workings of this parish. If LPSS cant fix the issues in public ed around here then its time to look at different avenues. Teachers/coaches and students have waited patiently for 20 years for the appropriate updates to our parish. -It has to get worse before it gets better. Why do you think that Lafayette Parish is getting the new Southside High School? Because both Broussard and Youngsville threatened to go ISD a couple of years back if things did not change. It could still happen if all the crap keeps up. STM is and Teurlings are not your systems problem nor your enemy it is the bureaucracy on Chaplin Drive. We just recognized the problem and made the decision and sacrifice to remove our children from a corrupt system.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on May 20, 2016 10:50:22 GMT -6
Is Zachary funded by the public tax money of the people that live in that school zone? Funded by both local taxation and by state funding. So is Central and Baker. The community has boomed with high income flight out of BR the average annual household income in Zachary is over $66K, which means more money to spend more tax dollars to collect. When STM first moved up to 5A they sent a delegation over to look at the turf. The next year they had the turf in place. Not real familiar with ISD's. I am assuming that they work a lot like a private school, just without the tuition? If this is the case I'm surprised they haven't already been moved to the "select" side.
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Post by iknownuthing on May 20, 2016 11:23:36 GMT -6
Funded by both local taxation and by state funding. So is Central and Baker. The community has boomed with high income flight out of BR the average annual household income in Zachary is over $66K, which means more money to spend more tax dollars to collect. When STM first moved up to 5A they sent a delegation over to look at the turf. The next year they had the turf in place. Not real familiar with ISD's. I am assuming that they work a lot like a private school, just without the tuition? If this is the case I'm surprised they haven't already been moved to the "select" side. The INdependent School District or ISD is how the State of Texas has organized public education. There are Harris County ISD Schools, but there is also the Belaire ISD, Pasedena ISD etc. While there are pockets of failure within the system, mostly inner city Houston and Dallas, Texas public education is years ahead of Louisiana. In Louisiana there are some rules you have to follow. The entity must be incorporated and have substantial base and means to support the system. For example Lafayette High could not develop its own ISD, neither can Comeaux or Northside. Scott, Broussard and Youngsville can all vote to leave and setup their own ISD, they have their own taxing authority and the means to exit the parish school system. The City of Lafayette can decide to leave the parish system as a whole and have City only schools which would give them three. Acadiana would be outside that system as would the new Southside school. They all would have to define their zones as the zone's of the incorporated City or town. They could also come to agreement to share resources and taxing authority over multiple incorporated communities. In other words, Broussard and Youngsville could either each split or incorporate all unincorporated areas and then develop a BYISD. Mostly that would be all of South Lafayette east of the Vermillion and outside of the Lafayette City corporation limits. It would exclude Milton as described, but Milton as a village could vote to be included. Benefits: You can be more selective in your enrollment. Local dollars go to the local students and not to busing kids across town. The community has more control over how education resources, maintenance and athletics are organized without having to appease a group from another part of the parish. If you prove your educational quality to be better than the cross town rivals, your community will grow with people trying to escape the other failed schools. Instead of Southside being named by the parish, it could have been named by the local community if Broussard and Youngsville had gone ISD.
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Post by btown on May 20, 2016 11:35:44 GMT -6
Not real familiar with ISD's. I am assuming that they work a lot like a private school, just without the tuition? If this is the case I'm surprised they haven't already been moved to the "select" side. The INdependent School District or ISD is how the State of Texas has organized public education. There are Harris County ISD Schools, but there is also the Belaire ISD, Pasedena ISD etc. While there are pockets of failure within the system, mostly inner city Houston and Dallas, Texas public education is years ahead of Louisiana. In Louisiana there are some rules you have to follow. The entity must be incorporated and have substantial base and means to support the system. For example Lafayette High could not develop its own ISD, neither can Comeaux or Northside. Scott, Broussard and Youngsville can all vote to leave and setup their own ISD, they have their own taxing authority and the means to exit the parish school system. The City of Lafayette can decide to leave the parish system as a whole and have City only schools which would give them three. Acadiana would be outside that system as would the new Southside school. They all would have to define their zones as the zone's of the incorporated City or town. They could also come to agreement to share resources and taxing authority over multiple incorporated communities. In other words, Broussard and Youngsville could either each split or incorporate all unincorporated areas and then develop a BYISD. Mostly that would be all of South Lafayette east of the Vermillion and outside of the Lafayette City corporation limits. It would exclude Milton as described, but Milton as a village could vote to be included. Benefits: You can be more selective in your enrollment. Local dollars go to the local students and not to busing kids across town. The community has more control over how education resources, maintenance and athletics are organized without having to appease a group from another part of the parish. If you prove your educational quality to be better than the cross town rivals, your community will grow with people trying to escape the other failed schools. Instead of Southside being named by the parish, it could have been named by the local community if Broussard and Youngsville had gone ISD. This is how Zachary came to be School Boards, created by the Constitution of the State of Louisiana, have been empowered by state law to create school districts composed of the parish as a whole or any part thereof. New school districts may only be created in accordance with statutory provisions. In the case of the Zachary Community School District, the legislature has established the boundaries of the school district in accordance with La. Rev. Stat. Ann. §17:64(A)(2). It is no different than a parish that has only one high school. They have bounderies They are funded by tax dollars generated within those bounderies There are also state funds.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 12:09:21 GMT -6
That will happen to youngsville. They will annex within 5 years away from lafayette.
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Post by chalmetteowl on May 20, 2016 12:11:55 GMT -6
hence why we went that route after Katrina flooded out St. Bernard Parish... why rebuild three high schools and have them compete for everything when you can have one for the entire parish? it's almost working too well for us lol
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Post by btown on May 20, 2016 12:19:05 GMT -6
ISD school appear to have the strickest bounderies of any school system in the state.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 18:23:03 GMT -6
ISD's are nothing more than public school districts going by exactly the same rules as all other public school systems. This includes funding, boundaries, etc. It is in the best interests of some communities to "seperate" themselves from the school system they currently find themselves in. That is what Zachary did, no biggie. Takes alot of organization and what now, but can be done, obviously. HOWEVER, by rule, they cannot deny enrollment to anyone in their zone....NO ONE. If the allow more than 25% of their enrollment to come from outside of their zone, then they are classified as Select.
You have said nothing.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 20:02:04 GMT -6
ISD's are nothing more than public school districts going by exactly the same rules as all other public school systems. This includes funding, boundaries, etc. It is in the best interests of some communities to "seperate" themselves from the school system they currently find themselves in. That is what Zachary did, no biggie. Takes alot of organization and what now, but can be done, obviously. HOWEVER, by rule, they cannot deny enrollment to anyone in their zone....NO ONE. If the allow more than 25% of their enrollment to come from outside of their zone, then they are classified as Select. You have said nothing. JV championships r going to be fun to watch. Lol
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Post by indy on May 22, 2016 9:22:07 GMT -6
ISD's are nothing more than public school districts going by exactly the same rules as all other public school systems. This includes funding, boundaries, etc. It is in the best interests of some communities to "seperate" themselves from the school system they currently find themselves in. That is what Zachary did, no biggie. Takes alot of organization and what now, but can be done, obviously. HOWEVER, by rule, they cannot deny enrollment to anyone in their zone....NO ONE. If the allow more than 25% of their enrollment to come from outside of their zone, then they are classified as Select. You have said nothing. The more you say the less relevant you become. Your kind will always blame the rules for your problems, instead of working harder. If you were truly a record setting coach by which you claim, you would play anybody anytime. But you choose to cull the ones you can't compete against. ISD's will be your next enemy I'm sure. Then what? If we had lees of you the LHSAA would be just fine.
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Post by iknownuthing on May 23, 2016 7:39:16 GMT -6
ISD's are nothing more than public school districts going by exactly the same rules as all other public school systems. This includes funding, boundaries, etc. It is in the best interests of some communities to "seperate" themselves from the school system they currently find themselves in. That is what Zachary did, no biggie. Takes alot of organization and what now, but can be done, obviously. HOWEVER, by rule, they cannot deny enrollment to anyone in their zone....NO ONE. If the allow more than 25% of their enrollment to come from outside of their zone, then they are classified as Select. You have said nothing. They established a "NEW ZONE" for themselves, thus restricting the inflow of students that were not from the IMMEDIATE community. I think it was a wonderful idea and it worked. They can now and have successfully restricted the Parish from forcing the less desirable students upon them from other areas. Thus they have selected their students. They set their own zone. NO other schools in the state are allowed to set their own zone, not even private schools. Every private school in the LHSAA has a mandated zone by the LHSAA that of the closest public school zone. Any student coming from outside of the zone has to sit out a year, but you conveniently fail to see that rule.
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Post by btown on May 23, 2016 7:49:35 GMT -6
ISD's are nothing more than public school districts going by exactly the same rules as all other public school systems. This includes funding, boundaries, etc. It is in the best interests of some communities to "seperate" themselves from the school system they currently find themselves in. That is what Zachary did, no biggie. Takes alot of organization and what now, but can be done, obviously. HOWEVER, by rule, they cannot deny enrollment to anyone in their zone....NO ONE. If the allow more than 25% of their enrollment to come from outside of their zone, then they are classified as Select. You have said nothing. They established a "NEW ZONE" for themselves, thus restricting the inflow of students that were not from the IMMEDIATE community. I think it was a wonderful idea and it worked. They can now and have successfully restricted the Parish from forcing the less desirable students upon them from other areas. Thus they have selected their students. They set their own zone. NO other schools in the state are allowed to set their own zone, not even private schools. Every private school in the LHSAA has a mandated zone by the LHSAA that of the closest public school zone. Any student coming from outside of the zone has to sit out a year, but you conveniently fail to see that rule. This is how Zachary came to be School Boards, created by the Constitution of the State of Louisiana, have been empowered by state law to create school districts composed of the parish as a whole or any part thereof. New school districts may only be created in accordance with statutory provisions. In the case of the Zachary Community School District, the legislature has established the boundaries of the school district in accordance with La. Rev. Stat. Ann. §17:64(A)(2).
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Post by iknownuthing on May 23, 2016 8:01:21 GMT -6
They established a "NEW ZONE" for themselves, thus restricting the inflow of students that were not from the IMMEDIATE community. I think it was a wonderful idea and it worked. They can now and have successfully restricted the Parish from forcing the less desirable students upon them from other areas. Thus they have selected their students. They set their own zone. NO other schools in the state are allowed to set their own zone, not even private schools. Every private school in the LHSAA has a mandated zone by the LHSAA that of the closest public school zone. Any student coming from outside of the zone has to sit out a year, but you conveniently fail to see that rule. This is how Zachary came to be School Boards, created by the Constitution of the State of Louisiana, have been empowered by state law to create school districts composed of the parish as a whole or any part thereof. New school districts may only be created in accordance with statutory provisions. In the case of the Zachary Community School District, the legislature has established the boundaries of the school district in accordance with La. Rev. Stat. Ann. §17:64(A)(2). Yes, because the people voted to remove themselves from East Baton Rouge Parish Public SCHOOL SYSTEM. By law, ANY established community can do this. ST. Gabriel failed because they are not a legal community. That it was approved by the legislature does not remove or disprove to point. They were tired of sending more tax dollars to the parish than they were receiving. They tired of the lack of facilities. They tired of the poor quality of education. So the rose up and changed it by putting together a local initiative. That stopped the busing from other EBR areas into Zachary and Central allowing them more selective enrollment. It allowed them to KEEP their tax dollars and put them back into a community school. It is a wonderful thing for Zachary. But it does not change the fact that they are a NON Traditional public school, who has isolated themselves from the rest of the parish and thus SELECTED, DENIED enrollment to others from outside the immediate community who had traditionally gone to that school. I encourage more communities to do the same. Outside of the Charter and Magnet systems, it is the ONLY way to change your school for the better. Now if you want your kids to go to Zachary Schools, you have to sell your home and purchase a new home within Zachary. I have friends who were in Zachary, left moved to other areas of EBR for work, and then MOVED BACK to Zachary to make sure their kids could go to Zachary High. They decided that parents could commute for 45 minutes one way rather than be forced into a failed school. That is selective enrollment too. Selected by the parents, just like parents who send their kids to private school.
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Post by iknownuthing on May 23, 2016 8:18:53 GMT -6
This is how Zachary came to be School Boards, created by the Constitution of the State of Louisiana, have been empowered by state law to create school districts composed of the parish as a whole or any part thereof. New school districts may only be created in accordance with statutory provisions. In the case of the Zachary Community School District, the legislature has established the boundaries of the school district in accordance with La. Rev. Stat. Ann. §17:64(A)(2). Yes, because the people voted to remove themselves from East Baton Rouge Parish Public SCHOOL SYSTEM. By law, ANY established community can do this. ST. Gabriel failed because they are not a legal community. That it was approved by the legislature does not remove or disprove to point. They were tired of sending more tax dollars to the parish than they were receiving. They tired of the lack of facilities. They tired of the poor quality of education. So the rose up and changed it by putting together a local initiative. That stopped the busing from other EBR areas into Zachary and Central allowing them more selective enrollment. It allowed them to KEEP their tax dollars and put them back into a community school. It is a wonderful thing for Zachary. But it does not change the fact that they are a NON Traditional public school, who has isolated themselves from the rest of the parish and thus SELECTED, DENIED enrollment to others from outside the immediate community who had traditionally gone to that school. I encourage more communities to do the same. Outside of the Charter and Magnet systems, it is the ONLY way to change your school for the better. Now if you want your kids to go to Zachary Schools, you have to sell your home and purchase a new home within Zachary. I have friends who were in Zachary, left moved to other areas of EBR for work, and then MOVED BACK to Zachary to make sure their kids could go to Zachary High. They decided that parents could commute for 45 minutes one way rather than be forced into a failed school. That is selective enrollment too. Selected by the parents, just like parents who send their kids to private school. Just like the THOUSANDS of parents that have SELECTED and MOVED to the Northshore from New Orleans but choose to cross the Causeway EVERY day rather than leave their kids in what was then a failed public school. Now they are all charter schools in Orleans parish with much improvement. Still, those all provide for parental choice and school choice. Everyone who is apposed to SELECTING, DENYING enrollment is saying your kids are not yours. They belong to the state and local school board and condemned to what ever potato smashing school the school board deems they should go to. It's free right? But you lose your freedom of choice, freedom of self determination when you just submit to the public bureaucrats, who do not know your child and really do not care about your child. Just another number to receive money from the state. Bought and sold as a commodity. I gladly paid $100K's to keep my kids out of that disastrous system. By the way I have two sisters that are teachers in the public system, a mother in law, 4 aunts and an uncle who are all retired now from the local school system and all will have told my kids and NOT to go into education. All left in the first year of retirement eligibility because of the rapidly declining state of educational standards and the lack of discipline in the public system. By the way, the problem is not most of the teachers, it is the administration that is the problem causing the spiraling deterioration of public education. Unfortunately, Wewilliewinnie will one day if he truly is a coach, be in charge of your kids education. Now that is a scary thought.
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