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Post by Raven on Jun 2, 2016 8:22:36 GMT -6
theadvocate.com/sports/latestsports/15976010-65/four-playoff-plans-on-agenda-for-next-weeks-special-called-lhsaa-meetingFrom what was said in the article, the plan by Ruston principal Ricky Durrett sounds a lot like what has been discussed on this board for bringing teams back together. It forms a 6A classification and uses a 1.5 multiplier for all schools that get at least 25% of their enrollment from out their traditional zone. It also gives the LHSAA executive committee the power to classify schools in which their aren't enough teams for 6 classes. That could be easily amended to also give them the power to reclassify schools based on athletic success. To move them up if they don't see fit to play up on their own.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Jun 2, 2016 8:56:33 GMT -6
theadvocate.com/sports/latestsports/15976010-65/four-playoff-plans-on-agenda-for-next-weeks-special-called-lhsaa-meetingFrom what was said in the article, the plan by Ruston principal Ricky Durrett sounds a lot like what has been discussed on this board for bringing teams back together. It forms a 6A classification and uses a 1.5 multiplier for all schools that get at least 25% of their enrollment from out their traditional zone. It also gives the LHSAA executive committee the power to classify schools in which their aren't enough teams for 6 classes. That could be easily amended to also give them the power to reclassify schools based on athletic success. To move them up if they don't see fit to play up on their own. So, I will assume the "LHSAA traditional zones" aren't always the same as the local school boards. For instance Rapides Parish is open/Parish wide with the "school of choice" so if Tioga (4A) gets more that 25% of it's students from outside the "traditional" zone it will have to use the 1.5 multiplier as well? Or is this just for the private schools?
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Post by Raven on Jun 2, 2016 9:28:55 GMT -6
From what I understand it will be applied to all schools.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Jun 2, 2016 11:27:50 GMT -6
Which of the 4 plans do you think has the best chance to pass? Will there even be the 25% of pricipals in attendance to have the vote?
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jun 2, 2016 12:04:00 GMT -6
i'd hope all the select school principals show up, so there's your 25%, which would be 101... i hope we get the Mandeville plan this time next week... or if not, the Ruston plan. the hybrid plan has no shot because of combining B and C. C schools don't want that.
the Iowa-Vinton plan at least ends the foolishness of having every 1A nonselect in the playoffs while other classes have teams miss out... but if that's what we have, it won't be good enough to keep the LHSAA together
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Jun 2, 2016 13:10:08 GMT -6
i'd hope all the select school principals show up, so there's your 25%, which would be 101... i hope we get the Mandeville plan this time next week... or if not, the Ruston plan. the hybrid plan has no shot because of combining B and C. C schools don't want that. the Iowa-Vinton plan at least ends the foolishness of having every 1A nonselect in the playoffs while other classes have teams miss out... but if that's what we have, it won't be good enough to keep the LHSAA together I like the Ruston plan the most, the hybrid should be DOA, Mandeville is ok with me, the Iowa-Vinton plan is just about what we currently have, I agree won't be good enough to keep together.
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Post by GUNSLINGER on Jun 4, 2016 14:09:47 GMT -6
I personally like the hybrid (rural/metro) plan the most. Or just keep it like it was voted on in January.
So let's play visionary here, no matter what plan gets picked, the Catholic schools leave the LHSAA. Does that then affect things moving forward? Will there be another meeting to make more changes due to the fact that about 100 schools (a large portion of 2A and 1A) will be gone? Assuming the Catholics leave BUT the other private/Christian/non-denominational schools stay, you'd have 48 schools in 1A, 31 non-select and 17 select. I guess you could do a 32-team bracket for NS and a 16-team bracket for select. And again, that's if other privates/charters don't leave with the Catholics.
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Post by indy on Jun 4, 2016 18:21:04 GMT -6
I personally like the hybrid (rural/metro) plan the most. Or just keep it like it was voted on in January. So let's play visionary here, no matter what plan gets picked, the Catholic schools leave the LHSAA. Does that then affect things moving forward? Will there be another meeting to make more changes due to the fact that about 100 schools (a large portion of 2A and 1A) will be gone? Assuming the Catholics leave BUT the other private/Christian/non-denominational schools stay, you'd have 48 schools in 1A, 31 non-select and 17 select. I guess you could do a 32-team bracket for NS and a 16-team bracket for select. And again, that's if other privates/charters don't leave with the Catholics. My guess if the Catholics leave they all will leave. Probably over time some publics will go too. The publics will probably end up with 8-9 championships and still won't be enough for them.
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 6, 2016 7:14:59 GMT -6
I personally like the hybrid (rural/metro) plan the most. Or just keep it like it was voted on in January. So let's play visionary here, no matter what plan gets picked, the Catholic schools leave the LHSAA. Does that then affect things moving forward? Will there be another meeting to make more changes due to the fact that about 100 schools (a large portion of 2A and 1A) will be gone? Assuming the Catholics leave BUT the other private/Christian/non-denominational schools stay, you'd have 48 schools in 1A, 31 non-select and 17 select. I guess you could do a 32-team bracket for NS and a 16-team bracket for select. And again, that's if other privates/charters don't leave with the Catholics. My guess if the Catholics leave they all will leave. Probably over time some publics will go too. The publics will probably end up with 8-9 championships and still won't be enough for them. This is the thing, if every Catholic school leaves the LHSAA, You will still have JC, e and C sticking in the craw of the public schools. They will continue to force them into a select division. More so, by popular vote, you could actually see the LHSAA Public school principals vote to deny enrollment to private schools and Charter schools all together. Having all the Catholics leave does not eliminate the problems within the LHSAA it magnifies them. The public school mindset and goal is to destroy athletic participation for private, charter and Lab schools students, with a 0% participation rate, ONLY then will they be pacified. This leaves the only weapon left for the private schools, leave the LHSAA for your own association and take your revenue stream and gate dollars with you.
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Post by pinion on Jun 6, 2016 12:06:08 GMT -6
My guess if the Catholics leave they all will leave. Probably over time some publics will go too. The publics will probably end up with 8-9 championships and still won't be enough for them. This is the thing, if every Catholic school leaves the LHSAA, You will still have JC, e and C sticking in the craw of the public schools. They will continue to force them into a select division. More so, by popular vote, you could actually see the LHSAA Public school principals vote to deny enrollment to private schools and Charter schools all together. Having all the Catholics leave does not eliminate the problems within the LHSAA it magnifies them. The public school mindset and goal is to destroy athletic participation for private, charter and Lab schools students, with a 0% participation rate, ONLY then will they be pacified. This leaves the only weapon left for the private schools, leave the LHSAA for your own association and take your revenue stream and gate dollars with you. I'd be pretty shocked if the Catholic schools left and JC and ECA stayed. Calvary, I could absolutely see them staying.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Jun 6, 2016 12:20:43 GMT -6
This is the thing, if every Catholic school leaves the LHSAA, You will still have JC, e and C sticking in the craw of the public schools. They will continue to force them into a select division. More so, by popular vote, you could actually see the LHSAA Public school principals vote to deny enrollment to private schools and Charter schools all together. Having all the Catholics leave does not eliminate the problems within the LHSAA it magnifies them. The public school mindset and goal is to destroy athletic participation for private, charter and Lab schools students, with a 0% participation rate, ONLY then will they be pacified. This leaves the only weapon left for the private schools, leave the LHSAA for your own association and take your revenue stream and gate dollars with you. I'd be pretty shocked if the Catholic schools left and JC and ECA stayed. Calvary, I could absolutely see them staying. Don't Catholic schools make up about half of the private schools in LA? If they leave, I would guess most if not all private schools will leave within a couple years. I wonder what will the Charter, Lab, & ISD schools do, join the private schools or stay in the LHSAA if they let them?
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 6, 2016 12:28:29 GMT -6
I'd be pretty shocked if the Catholic schools left and JC and ECA stayed. Calvary, I could absolutely see them staying. Don't Catholic schools make up about half of the private schools in LA? If they leave, I would guess most if not all private schools will leave within a couple years. I wonder what will the Charter, Lab, & ISD schools do, join the private schools or stay in the LHSAA if they let them? I would think that Catholic schools make up 2/3 of the private schools. Protestant and secular private schools in LA, are a fairly modern invention.
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 6, 2016 12:34:30 GMT -6
Don't Catholic schools make up about half of the private schools in LA? If they leave, I would guess most if not all private schools will leave within a couple years. I wonder what will the Charter, Lab, & ISD schools do, join the private schools or stay in the LHSAA if they let them? I would think that Catholic schools make up 2/3 of the private schools. Protestant and secular private schools in LA, are a fairly modern invention. I took a quick count, football playing schools 63% Catholic.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Jun 6, 2016 12:40:30 GMT -6
I would think that Catholic schools make up 2/3 of the private schools. Protestant and secular private schools in LA, are a fairly modern invention. I took a quick count, football playing schools 63% Catholic. Didn't realize it was that big of a percentage. If the Catholic schools leave, how long do you think it will be before the other private, lab, charter, or ISD "select" schools leave? or Will they stay in the LHSAA?
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Post by pinion on Jun 6, 2016 13:15:50 GMT -6
Don't Catholic schools make up about half of the private schools in LA? If they leave, I would guess most if not all private schools will leave within a couple years. I wonder what will the Charter, Lab, & ISD schools do, join the private schools or stay in the LHSAA if they let them? I would think that Catholic schools make up 2/3 of the private schools. Protestant and secular private schools in LA, are a fairly modern invention. Funny that you mention that. I was having a conversation about that with my brother the other day about that very thing. We were talking about the now closed (and has been for many years) Agnew School that used to be in Shreveport. They were just a private school with no church or religious affiliation. Back then, every private school in the area (and there were a lot) were all affiliated with a church of some sort, with the exception of Agnew. Anyway, that's mostly off topic, but I just thought it was funny you mentioned that after I just talked about it the other day.
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Post by Raven on Jun 6, 2016 13:26:51 GMT -6
I took a quick count, football playing schools 63% Catholic. Didn't realize it was that big of a percentage. If the Catholic schools leave, how long do you think it will be before the other private, lab, charter, or ISD "select" schools leave? or Will they stay in the LHSAA? While the Catholic schools would be a natural choice for the basis of any new league to form due to their already existing organizational structure, I don't think they would remove themselves without having at least some agreement in place with the larger non-Catholic and non-denomenational private, lab, magnet and charter schools. If the privates leave it will be as a group. Not one at a time. Not sure about the ISD schools, since they are in no danger of being placed in separate playoff brackets yet. Though I'm sure they will be targeted eventually for being different.
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 6, 2016 14:20:28 GMT -6
I would think that Catholic schools make up 2/3 of the private schools. Protestant and secular private schools in LA, are a fairly modern invention. Funny that you mention that. I was having a conversation about that with my brother the other day about that very thing. We were talking about the now closed (and has been for many years) Agnew School that used to be in Shreveport. They were just a private school with no church or religious affiliation. Back then, every private school in the area (and there were a lot) were all affiliated with a church of some sort, with the exception of Agnew. Anyway, that's mostly off topic, but I just thought it was funny you mentioned that after I just talked about it the other day. Almost all of the new private schools, not charters, are church or denomination founded. One group that is way behind the curve in private education in Louisiana are the Baptist. You have Highland New Iberia, Calvary Shreveport and Parkview Baptist in Baton Rouge and then a drop off. Southern Baptist are the largest denominational group in Louisiana, but do not have a history of supporting education. If they ever as a group have enough and look to offer a state wide alternative to public education for the denomination with a system of schools, the number could easily surpass the Catholic school system. Churches like 1st Baptist of Lafayette, Bayou Church Lafayette, Istrouma Baton Rouge in the southern part of the state as well as the Northshore churches that have memberships over 4K and then everything north of Ville Platte could easily add 20 private schools to the state coffers. Shreveport could support 3 or 4 Baptist Schools, Monroe two or three easily not to mention the hundreds of churches that have 400 to 1k in membership. Although, you would have to agree on school colors and that could split your church. LOL.... Sorry, I had to go there..
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Post by pinion on Jun 7, 2016 11:15:03 GMT -6
Funny that you mention that. I was having a conversation about that with my brother the other day about that very thing. We were talking about the now closed (and has been for many years) Agnew School that used to be in Shreveport. They were just a private school with no church or religious affiliation. Back then, every private school in the area (and there were a lot) were all affiliated with a church of some sort, with the exception of Agnew. Anyway, that's mostly off topic, but I just thought it was funny you mentioned that after I just talked about it the other day. Almost all of the new private schools, not charters, are church or denomination founded. One group that is way behind the curve in private education in Louisiana are the Baptist. You have Highland New Iberia, Calvary Shreveport and Parkview Baptist in Baton Rouge and then a drop off. Southern Baptist are the largest denominational group in Louisiana, but do not have a history of supporting education. If they ever as a group have enough and look to offer a state wide alternative to public education for the denomination with a system of schools, the number could easily surpass the Catholic school system. Churches like 1st Baptist of Lafayette, Bayou Church Lafayette, Istrouma Baton Rouge in the southern part of the state as well as the Northshore churches that have memberships over 4K and then everything north of Ville Platte could easily add 20 private schools to the state coffers. Shreveport could support 3 or 4 Baptist Schools, Monroe two or three easily not to mention the hundreds of churches that have 400 to 1k in membership. Although, you would have to agree on school colors and that could split your church. LOL.... Sorry, I had to go there.. We used to have a lot of baptist affiliated private schools in the Shreveport area. Calvary Grawood Trinity Heights First Baptist And I'm sure I'm leaving off several. I think First Baptist still has a school but it only goes through middle school (I think).
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 8, 2016 9:35:02 GMT -6
Almost all of the new private schools, not charters, are church or denomination founded. One group that is way behind the curve in private education in Louisiana are the Baptist. You have Highland New Iberia, Calvary Shreveport and Parkview Baptist in Baton Rouge and then a drop off. Southern Baptist are the largest denominational group in Louisiana, but do not have a history of supporting education. If they ever as a group have enough and look to offer a state wide alternative to public education for the denomination with a system of schools, the number could easily surpass the Catholic school system. Churches like 1st Baptist of Lafayette, Bayou Church Lafayette, Istrouma Baton Rouge in the southern part of the state as well as the Northshore churches that have memberships over 4K and then everything north of Ville Platte could easily add 20 private schools to the state coffers. Shreveport could support 3 or 4 Baptist Schools, Monroe two or three easily not to mention the hundreds of churches that have 400 to 1k in membership. Although, you would have to agree on school colors and that could split your church. LOL.... Sorry, I had to go there.. We used to have a lot of baptist affiliated private schools in the Shreveport area. Calvary Grawood Trinity Heights First Baptist And I'm sure I'm leaving off several. I think First Baptist still has a school but it only goes through middle school (I think). Here is S. LA, the pickings are slim if you are Baptist. Suck it up and go to a Catholic school or Bleed money from your nose and go to an Episcopal school until most recently.
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