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Post by chalmetteowl on Jun 29, 2016 10:34:00 GMT -6
We all know that a few public schools are using the citywide attendance zones to hoard talent and D1 prospects from the entire city onto into a few teams... the issue is that Landry Walker, Warren Easton, Karr, and McDonogh 35 draw from significantly more households than the average 4A or 5A school. Yet they still remain nonselect.
How I would fix it? Have the LHSAA draw maps in places where the school boards don't, and decree that those are their attendance zones for athletic purposes. Kids can still go there from outside their new zones, but they will be ineligible for sports. Every address in the state should be zoned to one nonselect school and one school only.
If nonselect is truly meant to be neighborhood schools, let's do more to make sure that's the case.
To throw these schools a bone, though, I would only count the number of eligible kids in their zone as the number used for reclassification purposes.
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Post by indy on Jun 29, 2016 10:53:07 GMT -6
We all know that a few public schools are using the citywide attendance zones to hoard talent and D1 prospects from the entire city onto into a few teams... the issue is that Landry Walker, Warren Easton, Karr, and McDonogh 35 draw from significantly more households than the average 4A or 5A school. Yet they still remain nonselect. How I would fix it? Have the LHSAA draw maps in places where the school boards don't, and decree that those are their attendance zones for athletic purposes. Kids can still go there from outside their new zones, but they will be ineligible for sports. Every address in the state should be zoned to one nonselect school and one school only. If nonselect is truly meant to be neighborhood schools, let's do more to make sure that's the case. To throw these schools a bone, though, I would only count the number of eligible kids in their zone as the number used for reclassification purposes. Nice holutitcnation! but Before you come down from tripping, say hello to Oz and Dorothy for me.
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Post by pinion on Jun 30, 2016 10:59:25 GMT -6
It'll never happen. Because none of this is about attendance zones or leveling the playing field. Or any other the other nonsense that the pro-split side always says. To clarify, those reasons may very well be why the pro splitters on this forum want the split. But the people actually voting to give us the split are not on that page. The people actually voting for the split want their "chance for a championship" and believe private schools (only) recruit.
They're not going to be happy with anything other than a split. They've proven that time and time again. They don't want the private schools in their league and they've proven that time and time again as well.
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Post by indy on Jun 30, 2016 12:12:32 GMT -6
It'll never happen. Because none of this is about attendance zones or leveling the playing field. Or any other the other nonsense that the pro-split side always says. To clarify, those reasons may very well be why the pro splitters on this forum want the split. But the people actually voting to give us the split are not on that page. The people actually voting for the split want their "chance for a championship" and believe private schools (only) recruit. They're not going to be happy with anything other than a split. They've proven that time and time again. They don't want the private schools in their league and they've proven that time and time again as well. Exactly! If that were the case they would have voted to fix the attendance zones instead of splitting. Self serving principals voted to improve their chances and not fix anything.
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 30, 2016 16:40:30 GMT -6
It'll never happen. Because none of this is about attendance zones or leveling the playing field. Or any other the other nonsense that the pro-split side always says. To clarify, those reasons may very well be why the pro splitters on this forum want the split. But the people actually voting to give us the split are not on that page. The people actually voting for the split want their "chance for a championship" and believe private schools (only) recruit. They're not going to be happy with anything other than a split. They've proven that time and time again. They don't want the private schools in their league and they've proven that time and time again as well. Exactly! If that were the case they would have voted to fix the attendance zones instead of splitting. Self serving principals voted to improve their chances and not fix anything. Kevin Foote on the Moon Griffon show this morning stated that he knew when they did not accept Ray Simon's solution that the public school principals of N. LA do not want a fix, they want private schools out.
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Post by pinion on Jul 1, 2016 10:40:08 GMT -6
Exactly! If that were the case they would have voted to fix the attendance zones instead of splitting. Self serving principals voted to improve their chances and not fix anything. Kevin Foote on the Moon Griffon show this morning stated that he knew when they did not accept Ray Simon's solution that the public school principals of N. LA do not want a fix, they want private schools out. Yeah, I heard the segment. He was spot on, too. I keep hoping for a recording of his time with Moon as it would be great to hear again.
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Post by Brad on Jul 6, 2016 5:16:23 GMT -6
Owl, Not a bad idea at all. But to be clear, I think Owl is only saying this to fix the current system right?
This would not fix the public/private issue at all because Private schools will still not have attendance zones. Which is my biggest beef with privates.
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Post by indy on Jul 6, 2016 7:05:47 GMT -6
Owl, Not a bad idea at all. But to be clear, I think Owl is only saying this to fix the current system right? This would not fix the public/private issue at all because Private schools will still not have attendance zones. Which is my biggest beef with privates. Then Why wouldn't assigned zones work for private schools? Notre Dame shared the Crowley high zone for 40 years. Notre Dame is a consolidated school from several neighboring towns just like many public high schools. So if the LHSAA returns us to the Crowley zone why not the same for public schools. Give Acadiana only Scott, Madison Parish only Tullulah, North Vermillion only Leroy?
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jul 6, 2016 7:42:42 GMT -6
Owl, Not a bad idea at all. But to be clear, I think Owl is only saying this to fix the current system right? This would not fix the public/private issue at all because Private schools will still not have attendance zones. Which is my biggest beef with privates. yeah this would just be for the current system... but we're not playing private schools for a state championship so who cares what they do
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Post by iknownuthing on Jul 6, 2016 8:57:24 GMT -6
Owl, Not a bad idea at all. But to be clear, I think Owl is only saying this to fix the current system right? This would not fix the public/private issue at all because Private schools will still not have attendance zones. Which is my biggest beef with privates. yeah this would just be for the current system... but we're not playing private schools for a state championship so who cares what they do This is exactly what I said would happen next. The next scapegoat, the next unfair advantage that something must be done about will be the METRO schools. While I think that it is an obvious, truly inherent advantage that METRO school have over rural schools, it is just more split and special rules to try and control the people. If you want to stay eligible, you better stay at that failed school mentality. The idea that private schools do not have attendance zones is again an out right lie. EVERY school in the state has an attendance zone and athletes both public and private must sit out a year unless there is a bonafide move to become eligible. That rule has never changed. The definition of the attendance zone has changed but the rule really is quite simple. Now, it may be unenforced, but that is a separate issue. One dealing with past Executive Directors, bias and favoritism. IE Corruption.
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Post by eag on Jul 6, 2016 13:59:26 GMT -6
yeah this would just be for the current system... but we're not playing private schools for a state championship so who cares what they do This is exactly what I said would happen next. The next scapegoat, the next unfair advantage that something must be done about will be the METRO schools. While I think that it is an obvious, truly inherent advantage that METRO school have over rural schools, it is just more split and special rules to try and control the people. If you want to stay eligible, you better stay at that failed school mentality. The idea that private schools do not have attendance zones is again an out right lie. EVERY school in the state has an attendance zone and athletes both public and private must sit out a year unless there is a bonafide move to become eligible. That rule has never changed. The definition of the attendance zone has changed but the rule really is quite simple. Now, it may be unenforced, but that is a separate issue. One dealing with past Executive Directors, bias and favoritism. IE Corruption. Yep And I'm not sure how fairly the sit-out rule is enforced. In recent past we've had kids leave our private school after their junior year and be eligible as seniors at a public school. They had contact with the receiving school before going. I'm not saying that anything illegal happened (don't know the stories in enough detail), just saying that if those kids came to us instead of left us, they would have missed their senior year. No way they would have been eligible. So, from where I sit, we can get kids from a wider area ( albeit limited by practical transportation issues to an area not a whole lot wider than the public zones) but only the ones with means and desire to pay, academic skills to make it in a harder school, willingness to adhere to much stricter discipline standards, and only if they come as a freshman. The public schools can get any kid in the (smaller) zone, regardless of affluence or parental interest. Academic skills aren't as much an issue, and they can take our kids anytime but we cannot take theirs. I'm seeing differences, sure. But I'm not seeing any real advantage. The only place I see advantage is MAYBE in the big city privates who have access to more kids.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jul 6, 2016 14:02:58 GMT -6
yeah this would just be for the current system... but we're not playing private schools for a state championship so who cares what they do This is exactly what I said would happen next. The next scapegoat, the next unfair advantage that something must be done about will be the METRO schools. While I think that it is an obvious, truly inherent advantage that METRO school have over rural schools, it is just more split and special rules to try and control the people. If you want to stay eligible, you better stay at that failed school mentality. or a mentality that decides high school football should truly be about neighborhoods, town vs. town, etc. If you want recruiting and scholarships, college football is over that way
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Post by iknownuthing on Jul 8, 2016 9:40:37 GMT -6
This is exactly what I said would happen next. The next scapegoat, the next unfair advantage that something must be done about will be the METRO schools. While I think that it is an obvious, truly inherent advantage that METRO school have over rural schools, it is just more split and special rules to try and control the people. If you want to stay eligible, you better stay at that failed school mentality. or a mentality that decides high school football should truly be about neighborhoods, town vs. town, etc. If you want recruiting and scholarships, college football is over that way My kids all played at STM, EVERY single kid was from the same community. but had come from different feed schools. Kids that we either knew the parents or knew of the parents from the church communities. If you truly want to make it neighborhood vs neighborhood, town vs town, than why play in an organization that is state wide. Would you be better served by only playing locally? Not being critical Owl, but I do not understand why the local private school is not part of your neighborhood, town or community?
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jul 8, 2016 10:52:29 GMT -6
"My kids all played at STM, EVERY single kid was from the same community. but had come from different feed schools. Kids that we either knew the parents or knew of the parents from the church communities. "
how many different public schools' attendance zones?
i can't even count the number of attendance zones a Catholic League school draws from... I think Jesuit brags that they have a kid from every ZIP code in our seven parish region
we know Curtis in the past has had kids from the Galliano area. they have kids from lower St. Bernard Parish and probably have a few from the Northshore
btw we used to have a Catholic school in our attendance zone, but it was before Katrina and they were a nonfactor... we actually took their coach... a few years later they were 0-10 when we were 10-0. now they've spent a decade on the Northshore due to the hurricane and we haven't directly dealt with a select school since
our rivalry with Holy Cross dates back to when they were just over the parish line but competed for all the kids who lived in our zone... all the kids knew each other. now since Holy Cross moved to the Gentilly area, they get kids from many more different areas like Metairie, the West Bank, etc., than they used to. every article written about our rivalry mentions that they don't get St. Bernard Parish kids like they once did (and probably don't want as many as they once did) and how that might affect the rivalry (what affects it more is us not being competitive). St. Bernard probably has more Jesuit and Brother Martin representation than in the past.
but yeah, select schools can be "neighborhood" schools too... i always conflate Rummel with Metairie for instance, Shaw with the West Bank, St. Paul's is all Northshore kids, etc. Boundaries don't have to be strict
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Post by iknownuthing on Jul 8, 2016 13:48:21 GMT -6
"My kids all played at STM, EVERY single kid was from the same community. but had come from different feed schools. Kids that we either knew the parents or knew of the parents from the church communities. " how many different public schools' attendance zones? i can't even count the number of attendance zones a Catholic League school draws from... I think Jesuit brags that they have a kid from every ZIP code in our seven parish region we know Curtis in the past has had kids from the Galliano area. they have kids from lower St. Bernard Parish and probably have a few from the Northshore btw we used to have a Catholic school in our attendance zone, but it was before Katrina and they were a nonfactor... we actually took their coach... a few years later they were 0-10 when we were 10-0. now they've spent a decade on the Northshore due to the hurricane and we haven't directly dealt with a select school since our rivalry with Holy Cross dates back to when they were just over the parish line but competed for all the kids who lived in our zone... all the kids knew each other. now since Holy Cross moved to the Gentilly area, they get kids from many more different areas like Metairie, the West Bank, etc., than they used to. every article written about our rivalry mentions that they don't get St. Bernard Parish kids like they once did (and probably don't want as many as they once did) and how that might affect the rivalry (what affects it more is us not being competitive). St. Bernard probably has more Jesuit and Brother Martin representation than in the past. but yeah, select schools can be "neighborhood" schools too... i always conflate Rummel with Metairie for instance, Shaw with the West Bank, St. Paul's is all Northshore kids, etc. Boundaries don't have to be strict Public school attendance zones for STM are really not to the point. Or for that matter any other Catholic high school. 99% of all students have come from the established and approved feeder system. STM has 4 feeder schools and maybe one or two ever enrolled in a public school. These are third and 4 sometimes 5th generation of private school people. I cannot speak to Jesuit population, but being a metro area school with a fairly close proximiety it would make sense that they had students from all places. But that is not because Jesuit has good athletics, it is because highly educated Catholics will seek out a Jesuit education for their kids. MY great great grandfather was a graduate from a Jesuit high school and a Jesuit college. I would tell you that STM and Teurlings have kids from every zip code in Lafayette and St. Martin Parish. If you throw in Catholic of NI, more than likely all of Iberia parish too. But again, that is due to parents choosing to send their kids multi generationally ot private school for the quality education. Are you saying that these schools "take your kids"? By your own example, these kids are NEVER going to public schools, as more of them go to Jesuit and Brother Martin than in the past. That is mostly caused by Katrina, in that same are there is a whole parish (New Orleans) that does not have a single traditional public high school any longer. I just don't think that gives them an athletic advantage. What does give them an advantage is that they are all boy schools. So they have approximately 1,000 kids 100% male. That is an advantage and it is accounted for by a multiplication factor. If not they would all be in 4A. If the LHSAA really wanted to make it a level playing field, they would classify schools not by total enrollment, but by enrollment per gender. STM has approximately 35% boys out of 1050 students. Teurlings is about 45% boys out of 850 students. Yet they compete against public high schools such as Carencro and northside that are 60 to 65% male. That gives them an inherent advantage in shear numbers. Your disadvantage comes in those numbers and not where they get their kids from. Chalmette has roughly750 boys at your school. Acadiana high has almost 900, Jesuit 1,300 this is your true disadvantage.
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Post by gentsandpios on Jul 8, 2016 14:27:46 GMT -6
"My kids all played at STM, EVERY single kid was from the same community. but had come from different feed schools. Kids that we either knew the parents or knew of the parents from the church communities. " how many different public schools' attendance zones? i can't even count the number of attendance zones a Catholic League school draws from... I think Jesuit brags that they have a kid from every ZIP code in our seven parish region we know Curtis in the past has had kids from the Galliano area. they have kids from lower St. Bernard Parish and probably have a few from the Northshore btw we used to have a Catholic school in our attendance zone, but it was before Katrina and they were a nonfactor... we actually took their coach... a few years later they were 0-10 when we were 10-0. now they've spent a decade on the Northshore due to the hurricane and we haven't directly dealt with a select school since our rivalry with Holy Cross dates back to when they were just over the parish line but competed for all the kids who lived in our zone... all the kids knew each other. now since Holy Cross moved to the Gentilly area, they get kids from many more different areas like Metairie, the West Bank, etc., than they used to. every article written about our rivalry mentions that they don't get St. Bernard Parish kids like they once did (and probably don't want as many as they once did) and how that might affect the rivalry (what affects it more is us not being competitive). St. Bernard probably has more Jesuit and Brother Martin representation than in the past. but yeah, select schools can be "neighborhood" schools too... i always conflate Rummel with Metairie for instance, Shaw with the West Bank, St. Paul's is all Northshore kids, etc. Boundaries don't have to be strict Public school attendance zones for STM are really not to the point. Or for that matter any other Catholic high school. 99% of all students have come from the established and approved feeder system. STM has 4 feeder schools and maybe one or two ever enrolled in a public school. These are third and 4 sometimes 5th generation of private school people. I cannot speak to Jesuit population, but being a metro area school with a fairly close proximiety it would make sense that they had students from all places. But that is not because Jesuit has good athletics, it is because highly educated Catholics will seek out a Jesuit education for their kids. MY great great grandfather was a graduate from a Jesuit high school and a Jesuit college. I would tell you that STM and Teurlings have kids from every zip code in Lafayette and St. Martin Parish. If you throw in Catholic of NI, more than likely all of Iberia parish too. But again, that is due to parents choosing to send their kids multi generationally ot private school for the quality education. Are you saying that these schools "take your kids"? By your own example, these kids are NEVER going to public schools, as more of them go to Jesuit and Brother Martin than in the past. That is mostly caused by Katrina, in that same are there is a whole parish (New Orleans) that does not have a single traditional public high school any longer. I just don't think that gives them an athletic advantage. What does give them an advantage is that they are all boy schools. So they have approximately 1,000 kids 100% male. That is an advantage and it is accounted for by a multiplication factor. If not they would all be in 4A. If the LHSAA really wanted to make it a level playing field, they would classify schools not by total enrollment, but by enrollment per gender. STM has approximately 35% boys out of 1050 students. Teurlings is about 45% boys out of 850 students. Yet they compete against public high schools such as Carencro and northside that are 60 to 65% male. That gives them an inherent advantage in shear numbers. Your disadvantage comes in those numbers and not where they get their kids from. Chalmette has roughly750 boys at your school. Acadiana high has almost 900, Jesuit 1,300 this is your true disadvantage. Aren't there sports for female athletes at these schools too. By your logic that TCH and STM have advantage over those schools in the girls sports. Should we classify schools on a sport by sport basis and by gender as well?
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jul 8, 2016 18:03:59 GMT -6
Why kids go where they go is irrelevant... and yes good athletics is a HUGE reason why Jesuit gets kids, especially in minor sports.
Which are the ones most public schools will secede to them...
But yeah when you get a high percentage of kids in your zone, you tend to think of them as yours... the main North LA split schools get 96-99% of the kids who live there. In NOLA, with more competition, some get far less but that can be a blessing in disguise if you compete for their services and build up your program.
I just don't think you're seeing why Jesuit or whoever has an advantage if they have 1.3 million population to pick from and we have 45k
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Post by Raven on Jul 11, 2016 9:00:57 GMT -6
Why kids go where they go is irrelevant... and yes good athletics is a HUGE reason why Jesuit gets kids, especially in minor sports. Which are the ones most public schools will secede to them... But yeah when you get a high percentage of kids in your zone, you tend to think of them as yours... the main North LA split schools get 96-99% of the kids who live there. In NOLA, with more competition, some get far less but that can be a blessing in disguise if you compete for their services and build up your program. I just don't think you're seeing why Jesuit or whoever has an advantage if they have 1.3 million population to pick from and we have 45k But of that 1.3 million, how many have the ability AND the desire to pay for a private school tuition? When you look at the real demographics of kids who are actually able to attend a private school, then add in the dozen+ other private schools in the NOLA area that are also competing for those parent's tuition money, that may very well be less than 45K people.
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Post by eag on Jul 11, 2016 11:10:51 GMT -6
Why kids go where they go is irrelevant... and yes good athletics is a HUGE reason why Jesuit gets kids, especially in minor sports. Which are the ones most public schools will secede to them... But yeah when you get a high percentage of kids in your zone, you tend to think of them as yours... the main North LA split schools get 96-99% of the kids who live there. In NOLA, with more competition, some get far less but that can be a blessing in disguise if you compete for their services and build up your program. I just don't think you're seeing why Jesuit or whoever has an advantage if they have 1.3 million population to pick from and we have 45k Not busting your chops on this, as I don't think you are a total split fan, but it is just that I keep seeing this phrase all over. Jesuit, or any other school, can't and doesn't just go pick whoever they think they might like to have from the 1.3 million population of GNO area. They just don't. I've never known a catholic school to do that. Now, it is factual to say that Jesuit has 1.3 million population that can pick them. That is a fair statement. It also means that those people can choose not to come. It also means their kids can leave. They must create an environment that appeals to the people and that means totally different things to each family, so athletic emphasis can only be a part of it at best. People aren't going to pay that much money to go there if they aren't getting what they want, and there aren't 1000 kids on the football team. So resources must be carefully guarded, and going out and recruiting football players is likely not anywhere on the priority list. I think this is one of the things that rubs me wrong.
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Post by iknownuthing on Jul 11, 2016 11:49:22 GMT -6
Public school attendance zones for STM are really not to the point. Or for that matter any other Catholic high school. 99% of all students have come from the established and approved feeder system. STM has 4 feeder schools and maybe one or two ever enrolled in a public school. These are third and 4 sometimes 5th generation of private school people. I cannot speak to Jesuit population, but being a metro area school with a fairly close proximiety it would make sense that they had students from all places. But that is not because Jesuit has good athletics, it is because highly educated Catholics will seek out a Jesuit education for their kids. MY great great grandfather was a graduate from a Jesuit high school and a Jesuit college. I would tell you that STM and Teurlings have kids from every zip code in Lafayette and St. Martin Parish. If you throw in Catholic of NI, more than likely all of Iberia parish too. But again, that is due to parents choosing to send their kids multi generationally ot private school for the quality education. Are you saying that these schools "take your kids"? By your own example, these kids are NEVER going to public schools, as more of them go to Jesuit and Brother Martin than in the past. That is mostly caused by Katrina, in that same are there is a whole parish (New Orleans) that does not have a single traditional public high school any longer. I just don't think that gives them an athletic advantage. What does give them an advantage is that they are all boy schools. So they have approximately 1,000 kids 100% male. That is an advantage and it is accounted for by a multiplication factor. If not they would all be in 4A. If the LHSAA really wanted to make it a level playing field, they would classify schools not by total enrollment, but by enrollment per gender. STM has approximately 35% boys out of 1050 students. Teurlings is about 45% boys out of 850 students. Yet they compete against public high schools such as Carencro and northside that are 60 to 65% male. That gives them an inherent advantage in shear numbers. Your disadvantage comes in those numbers and not where they get their kids from. Chalmette has roughly750 boys at your school. Acadiana high has almost 900, Jesuit 1,300 this is your true disadvantage. Aren't there sports for female athletes at these schools too. By your logic that TCH and STM have advantage over those schools in the girls sports. Should we classify schools on a sport by sport basis and by gender as well? YES, every sport.
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Post by indy on Jul 11, 2016 11:51:57 GMT -6
Aren't there sports for female athletes at these schools too. By your logic that TCH and STM have advantage over those schools in the girls sports. Should we classify schools on a sport by sport basis and by gender as well? YES, every sport. Lol, thanks to classification by gender might get real complicated!
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Post by iknownuthing on Jul 11, 2016 11:59:40 GMT -6
Why kids go where they go is irrelevant... and yes good athletics is a HUGE reason why Jesuit gets kids, especially in minor sports. Which are the ones most public schools will secede to them... But yeah when you get a high percentage of kids in your zone, you tend to think of them as yours... the main North LA split schools get 96-99% of the kids who live there. In NOLA, with more competition, some get far less but that can be a blessing in disguise if you compete for their services and build up your program. I just don't think you're seeing why Jesuit or whoever has an advantage if they have 1.3 million population to pick from and we have 45k But of that 1.3 million, how many have the ability AND the desire to pay for a private school tuition? When you look at the real demographics of kids who are actually able to attend a private school, then add in the dozen+ other private schools in the NOLA area that are also competing for those parent's tuition money, that may very well be less than 45K people. Of that 1.3 million those families that can afford the tuition and have the educational fortitude to academically succeed probably is much lower. Remember, it is not total population that can be considered, we are talking actual new candidates every year eligible to go to a school like Jesuit is more likely around 4K total in the whole area not just the city. From the feeders more likely 500 or fewer which is divided up over several private school. So while Chalmette has a population of 45K, which would yield approximately 400 to 500 8th grade graduates per year. Nearly 100% go to Chalmette high. Lafayette is a different scenario.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jul 11, 2016 15:26:11 GMT -6
Why kids go where they go is irrelevant... and yes good athletics is a HUGE reason why Jesuit gets kids, especially in minor sports. Which are the ones most public schools will secede to them... But yeah when you get a high percentage of kids in your zone, you tend to think of them as yours... the main North LA split schools get 96-99% of the kids who live there. In NOLA, with more competition, some get far less but that can be a blessing in disguise if you compete for their services and build up your program. I just don't think you're seeing why Jesuit or whoever has an advantage if they have 1.3 million population to pick from and we have 45k Not busting your chops on this, as I don't think you are a total split fan, but it is just that I keep seeing this phrase all over. Jesuit, or any other school, can't and doesn't just go pick whoever they think they might like to have from the 1.3 million population of GNO area. They just don't. I've never known a catholic school to do that. Now, it is factual to say that Jesuit has 1.3 million population that can pick them. That is a fair statement. It also means that those people can choose not to come. It also means their kids can leave. They must create an environment that appeals to the people and that means totally different things to each family, so athletic emphasis can only be a part of it at best. People aren't going to pay that much money to go there if they aren't getting what they want, and there aren't 1000 kids on the football team. So resources must be carefully guarded, and going out and recruiting football players is likely not anywhere on the priority list. I think this is one of the things that rubs me wrong. most people with a brain know football is somewhere on the priority list... did the recent Jesuit state championship not have a positive effect on the entire school? Which becomes an incentive to find the next Fournette, Malachi Dupre, etc. In many ways, a HS football game is not just between the kids on the field. We base our opinions of the entire school based on what we see there (numbers in support, kids behavior, and yes the final score). Let's say a school has 20 fans in the stands and gets beat bad. Is that where you might want your kids to go?
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Post by indy on Jul 11, 2016 15:47:06 GMT -6
Not busting your chops on this, as I don't think you are a total split fan, but it is just that I keep seeing this phrase all over. Jesuit, or any other school, can't and doesn't just go pick whoever they think they might like to have from the 1.3 million population of GNO area. They just don't. I've never known a catholic school to do that. Now, it is factual to say that Jesuit has 1.3 million population that can pick them. That is a fair statement. It also means that those people can choose not to come. It also means their kids can leave. They must create an environment that appeals to the people and that means totally different things to each family, so athletic emphasis can only be a part of it at best. People aren't going to pay that much money to go there if they aren't getting what they want, and there aren't 1000 kids on the football team. So resources must be carefully guarded, and going out and recruiting football players is likely not anywhere on the priority list. I think this is one of the things that rubs me wrong. most people with a brain know football is somewhere on the priority list... did the recent Jesuit state championship not have a positive effect on the entire school? Which becomes an incentive to find the next Fournette, Malachi Dupre, etc. In many ways, a HS football game is not just between the kids on the field. We base our opinions of the entire school based on what we see there (numbers in support, kids behavior, and yes the final score). Let's say a school has 20 fans in the stands and gets beat bad. Is that where you might want your kids to go? Maybe the emphasis should be on the bad team with 20 fans, there are more and more of them. When visiting teams have to send extra security and many fans won't travel to certain games, that's a serious problem. I can't imagine that all these protest and cop killings is gonna help! Maybe the group of self serving principals can fix all this too.
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Post by eag on Jul 11, 2016 16:11:44 GMT -6
Not busting your chops on this, as I don't think you are a total split fan, but it is just that I keep seeing this phrase all over. Jesuit, or any other school, can't and doesn't just go pick whoever they think they might like to have from the 1.3 million population of GNO area. They just don't. I've never known a catholic school to do that. Now, it is factual to say that Jesuit has 1.3 million population that can pick them. That is a fair statement. It also means that those people can choose not to come. It also means their kids can leave. They must create an environment that appeals to the people and that means totally different things to each family, so athletic emphasis can only be a part of it at best. People aren't going to pay that much money to go there if they aren't getting what they want, and there aren't 1000 kids on the football team. So resources must be carefully guarded, and going out and recruiting football players is likely not anywhere on the priority list. I think this is one of the things that rubs me wrong. most people with a brain know football is somewhere on the priority list... did the recent Jesuit state championship not have a positive effect on the entire school? Which becomes an incentive to find the next Fournette, Malachi Dupre, etc. In many ways, a HS football game is not just between the kids on the field. We base our opinions of the entire school based on what we see there (numbers in support, kids behavior, and yes the final score). Let's say a school has 20 fans in the stands and gets beat bad. Is that where you might want your kids to go? No disagreement with the idea that sports are important. In my experience, most private schools attempt to make them the best they can, but I have not seen them work on that by going looking for athletes. I just finished helping my school by calling parents and raising money for an upgrade to the weight room - that's the stuff I see. It just sounds like people think the Jesuit (for example) coaches are sitting around breaking down film of who they want to 'choose' next from the 1.3 million they can 'choose from'. In my experience, they are too busy with the kids they already have. If some come, fine - love to have them. If not, not an issue. Maybe I'm just being too sensitive about the wording ....
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jul 11, 2016 17:00:02 GMT -6
most people with a brain know football is somewhere on the priority list... did the recent Jesuit state championship not have a positive effect on the entire school? Which becomes an incentive to find the next Fournette, Malachi Dupre, etc. In many ways, a HS football game is not just between the kids on the field. We base our opinions of the entire school based on what we see there (numbers in support, kids behavior, and yes the final score). Let's say a school has 20 fans in the stands and gets beat bad. Is that where you might want your kids to go? No disagreement with the idea that sports are important. In my experience, most private schools attempt to make them the best they can, but I have not seen them work on that by going looking for athletes. I just finished helping my school by calling parents and raising money for an upgrade to the weight room - that's the stuff I see. It just sounds like people think the Jesuit (for example) coaches are sitting around breaking down film of who they want to 'choose' next from the 1.3 million they can 'choose from'. In my experience, they are too busy with the kids they already have. If some come, fine - love to have them. If not, not an issue. Maybe I'm just being too sensitive about the wording .... we shouldn't be saying Jesuit per say, (I have a cousin there), but most fans in NOLA know certain programs scout kids' track meets and playground football... part of the Winnfield, etc. beef is that North LA rural areas are so unpopulated they couldn't cheat if they wanted to
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Post by iknownuthing on Jul 12, 2016 11:20:29 GMT -6
No disagreement with the idea that sports are important. In my experience, most private schools attempt to make them the best they can, but I have not seen them work on that by going looking for athletes. I just finished helping my school by calling parents and raising money for an upgrade to the weight room - that's the stuff I see. It just sounds like people think the Jesuit (for example) coaches are sitting around breaking down film of who they want to 'choose' next from the 1.3 million they can 'choose from'. In my experience, they are too busy with the kids they already have. If some come, fine - love to have them. If not, not an issue. Maybe I'm just being too sensitive about the wording .... we shouldn't be saying Jesuit per say, (I have a cousin there), but most fans in NOLA know certain programs scout kids' track meets and playground football... part of the Winnfield, etc. beef is that North LA rural areas are so unpopulated they couldn't cheat if they wanted to I coached rec baseball, basketball, track and football. My association with STM is that I support the school through my kids tuition and monetary donations. When a parent seeks me out at a gym and asked me how to get into STM for Studly, I tell them. To some people, that is recruiting. I have had parents call me at my home and ask me to talk to the coaches about offering their kid a scholarship so they can go. I tell them, there is no scholarship. They don't believe me so I give them the name and number of the A.D. I know that kids at a certain catholic school have decided STM over Teurlings based on our conversations. There are some that chose Teurlings over STM because "it will be easier to make the team". That turned out not to be true, but that is what they were told. I know of public middle school kids whose parents decided on STM due to our conversations. But the greatest recruitment tool I have ever used was to simple tell them to contact the local public high school head coach and see if he has an interest in the kid and ask his philosophy on coaching and athlete development or to see the facilities. Most never get a return call and the ones that do usually are dismayed. If they ask at STM, they will gladly bring them in and show them the facilities, walk them through the weight room, show them the hump and the practice field and then walk them under the stadium and show them the ramp and speak in detail about a lifestyle and relationship with both God and athletics. If you have a kid and you think he has talent in the Lafayette area, I encourage you to show an interest in your kids future and go visit all the schools you can. Walk through, talk to the parents, talk to the coaches and if possible talk to the seniors. If your kids in the 8th grade go to the Friday games, but more importantly, go to the Freshman and JV games during the week. Bring your kid with you and show him the schools let them talk to the players after the game. Then make your decision based on what is best for your kid. If your not in the 8th grad but between the 8th and 9th grade now, it is not too late, go see the school.
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Post by eag on Jul 12, 2016 14:02:00 GMT -6
No disagreement with the idea that sports are important. In my experience, most private schools attempt to make them the best they can, but I have not seen them work on that by going looking for athletes. I just finished helping my school by calling parents and raising money for an upgrade to the weight room - that's the stuff I see. It just sounds like people think the Jesuit (for example) coaches are sitting around breaking down film of who they want to 'choose' next from the 1.3 million they can 'choose from'. In my experience, they are too busy with the kids they already have. If some come, fine - love to have them. If not, not an issue. Maybe I'm just being too sensitive about the wording .... we shouldn't be saying Jesuit per say, (I have a cousin there), but most fans in NOLA know certain programs scout kids' track meets and playground football... part of the Winnfield, etc. beef is that North LA rural areas are so unpopulated they couldn't cheat if they wanted tou LOL!! That goes for the private schools in those areas as well, though, and is likely one of the reasons I'm sensitive about that perception. We fight like heck to keep the kids we have, much less ' choosing' out of the population! I mean, it's theoretically possible I guess, but it's practically not going to happen. The families that want to be here already are. The rest pretty much aren't coming
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