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Post by iknownuthing on Aug 1, 2016 7:45:54 GMT -6
You made it back to the bottom. All those changes to reporting only fooled the local few who want it to look better: wallethub.com/edu/states-with-the-best-schools/5335/49 in Quality, 51 in Safety, 48 in reading, 49 in Math and 51 when all criteria factored in. Congratulations, not even mediocrity. We spend more and get less for our dollars than the highest ranked systems. Maybe its time for a purge of the system with a complete restructure top to bottom and in every parish.
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Post by iknownuthing on Aug 1, 2016 11:05:08 GMT -6
Cities with the highest drop out rates in the nation: 19 Shreveport, 13 Hammond and 11 ALEXANDRIA.
Missing from the list by surprise is Baton Rouge and New Orleans, probably due to population density.
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Post by iknownuthing on Aug 1, 2016 11:12:30 GMT -6
Cities with the highest drop out rates in the nation: 19 Shreveport, 13 Hammond and 11 ALEXANDRIA. Missing from the list by surprise is Baton Rouge and New Orleans, probably due to population density. By comparison, Beaumont-Port Arthur TX has one of the highest graduation rates in the nation, along with Abilene, Longview Tyler and Wichita Falls, TX. All top 25 cities. Sherman Denison TX is the #1 city in the US for Graduation rates 94.8% with a lower house hold income than Hammond or Shreveport.
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Post by indy on Aug 1, 2016 12:15:46 GMT -6
Dead Last! Wow! And the same principals are running the LHSAA! Unfortunately, in the same direction. Geez
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 13:41:33 GMT -6
Parishes should probably start taking a look at ISD's (independent school districts) and get rid of school boards all together. Seems to have worked out for Zachary. Also, im pretty sure thats what most of Texas does if im not mistaken.
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Post by indy on Aug 2, 2016 13:55:02 GMT -6
Parishes should probably start taking a look at ISD's (independent school districts) and get rid of school boards all together. Seems to have worked out for Zachary. Also, im pretty sure thats what most of Texas does if im not mistaken. Or replacing DAO's ( dumb butt principals) that is what works in Texas!
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Post by iknownuthing on Aug 3, 2016 8:04:47 GMT -6
Parishes should probably start taking a look at ISD's (independent school districts) and get rid of school boards all together. Seems to have worked out for Zachary. Also, im pretty sure thats what most of Texas does if im not mistaken. Or replacing DAO's ( dumb butt principals) that is what works in Texas! Follow the money. Seems the more money we dump into this failed system, the less we get back as a state. Teachers are paid the most they have EVER been paid, Principal salaries are increasing at a rate higher than the average private sector employee, (as are all state employee pay rates) Teachers cry and weep of unfair evaluation, but when we change evaluation to be more"fair", we cheat the children, their parents and every citizen in the state. I am all for paying good teachers a good and fair wage, but if you are in it for the check you are in it for the wrong reason. Time to clean house starting from the top. Fire EVERY teacher and principals in the public school system and rehire from scratch and restructure EVERY school system. Bring on the Charters.
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Post by gentsandpios on Aug 3, 2016 12:34:42 GMT -6
Or replacing DAO's ( dumb butt principals) that is what works in Texas! Follow the money. Seems the more money we dump into this failed system, the less we get back as a state. Teachers are paid the most they have EVER been paid, Principal salaries are increasing at a rate higher than the average private sector employee, (as are all state employee pay rates) Teachers cry and weep of unfair evaluation, but when we change evaluation to be more"fair", we cheat the children, their parents and every citizen in the state. I am all for paying good teachers a good and fair wage, but if you are in it for the check you are in it for the wrong reason. Time to clean house starting from the top. Fire EVERY teacher and principals in the public school system and rehire from scratch and restructure EVERY school system. Bring on the Charters. You are as hateful of the public schools as you accuse them of acting against privates. Despite your rants there are good things happening in some traditional public schools but you are blinded to that fact because you take the position that all public schools are bad and must be started over from scratch. I've had kid graduate from Notre Dame and kid graduate from Crowley high. Both are in college and qualified for Tops as well as other scholarships. Both are on pace to graduate on schedule. Both high schools did a good job of preparing them for college. Both have friends that they graduated with from both schools that couldn't handle the academic rigors of college life and dropped out. There are no guarantees that any kid will get thru college just because of where they attended HS. I am a proud supporter of both schools that my kids attended and can attest to the fact that a quality education can be attained at both of these schools, one private and one public.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 13:04:52 GMT -6
Follow the money. Seems the more money we dump into this failed system, the less we get back as a state. Teachers are paid the most they have EVER been paid, Principal salaries are increasing at a rate higher than the average private sector employee, (as are all state employee pay rates) Teachers cry and weep of unfair evaluation, but when we change evaluation to be more"fair", we cheat the children, their parents and every citizen in the state. I am all for paying good teachers a good and fair wage, but if you are in it for the check you are in it for the wrong reason. Time to clean house starting from the top. Fire EVERY teacher and principals in the public school system and rehire from scratch and restructure EVERY school system. Bring on the Charters. You are as hateful of the public schools as you accuse them of acting against privates. Despite your rants there are good things happening in some traditional public schools but you are blinded to that fact because you take the position that all public schools are bad and must be started over from scratch. I've had kid graduate from Notre Dame and kid graduate from Crowley high. Both are in college and qualified for Tops as well as other scholarships. Both are on pace to graduate on schedule. Both high schools did a good job of preparing them for college. Both have friends that they graduated with from both schools that couldn't handle the academic rigors of college life and dropped out. There are no guarantees that any kid will get thru college just because of where they attended HS. I am a proud supporter of both schools that my kids attended and can attest to the fact that a quality education can be attained at both of these schools, one private and one public. Im all for Principals having to had some Head coaching experience before they are allowed to be a HP.. Also, you should probably ignore anything that comes out of this guys mouth. Hes a Bada!% behind a keyboard but a dumba!@ in all honesty. He makes about as much sense on here as Hillary does in the whitehouse.
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Post by gentsandpios on Aug 3, 2016 15:07:13 GMT -6
You are as hateful of the public schools as you accuse them of acting against privates. Despite your rants there are good things happening in some traditional public schools but you are blinded to that fact because you take the position that all public schools are bad and must be started over from scratch. I've had kid graduate from Notre Dame and kid graduate from Crowley high. Both are in college and qualified for Tops as well as other scholarships. Both are on pace to graduate on schedule. Both high schools did a good job of preparing them for college. Both have friends that they graduated with from both schools that couldn't handle the academic rigors of college life and dropped out. There are no guarantees that any kid will get thru college just because of where they attended HS. I am a proud supporter of both schools that my kids attended and can attest to the fact that a quality education can be attained at both of these schools, one private and one public. Im all for Principals having to had some Head coaching experience before they are allowed to be a HP.. Also, you should probably ignore anything that comes out of this guys mouth. Hes a Bada!% behind a keyboard but a dumba!@ in all honesty. He makes about as much sense on here as Hillary does in the whitehouse. Thank you for the comment. I disagree that principals need to have been a HC but do think the ADs should be the ones voting at LHSAA meetings and not the principals. I want the principals focused on the overall health and wellbeing of their school and trust the person they hire as AD to insure that all aspects of thier athletic program are attended too.
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Post by iknownuthing on Aug 4, 2016 6:58:08 GMT -6
UNTIL we make drastic changes to the way schools are organized, how discipline is dispatched that is not politically correct and a change from the corruption of curriculum that exist today we will never improve the public system. I have multiple friends and family members that have taught in the public system and they all say the same thing. Most retired early after being awarded as outstanding teachers. While you guys may point to your own children in the Public system and say success, you are the exception and not the rule. While all my kids have gone to STM and graduated college and are now working on advanced degrees, (our sacrifice for their benefit) their public school friends have not been so successful. I sat with a kid that is highly intelligent who is now 23 years old and cannot pass Algebra 1. He was an outstanding athlete with district honors in high school he always made good grades but lacked a clear foundation in Math. We set him up with a tutor and he finally passed after auditing the class again while working with the tutor several days per week. His father told me the greatest mistake he made was sending him to public school. When we force kids into failed public schools we throw them to the wolves and condemn them to lives of poverty and government handouts.
While every public school is not bad and some have success, most in the state do not and the system itself contributes to the failure. Thus, we are last in the nation once again after a few short years of slight improvement.
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Post by indy on Aug 4, 2016 7:44:33 GMT -6
Follow the money. Seems the more money we dump into this failed system, the less we get back as a state. Teachers are paid the most they have EVER been paid, Principal salaries are increasing at a rate higher than the average private sector employee, (as are all state employee pay rates) Teachers cry and weep of unfair evaluation, but when we change evaluation to be more"fair", we cheat the children, their parents and every citizen in the state. I am all for paying good teachers a good and fair wage, but if you are in it for the check you are in it for the wrong reason. Time to clean house starting from the top. Fire EVERY teacher and principals in the public school system and rehire from scratch and restructure EVERY school system. Bring on the Charters. You are as hateful of the public schools as you accuse them of acting against privates. Despite your rants there are good things happening in some traditional public schools but you are blinded to that fact because you take the position that all public schools are bad and must be started over from scratch. I've had kid graduate from Notre Dame and kid graduate from Crowley high. Both are in college and qualified for Tops as well as other scholarships. Both are on pace to graduate on schedule. Both high schools did a good job of preparing them for college. Both have friends that they graduated with from both schools that couldn't handle the academic rigors of college life and dropped out. There are no guarantees that any kid will get thru college just because of where they attended HS. I am a proud supporter of both schools that my kids attended and can attest to the fact that a quality education can be attained at both of these schools, one private and one public. I agree, but let's agree on the overall direction of public schools is down. Crowley High in the day was as good as school anywhere. Many of my st Mike classmates chose CHS over ND for academic reasons. They also went because of a great FFA program. Some were football players and CHS at the time was in a bad way football wise. ND I don't think loses students for those reasons anymore. CHS should be a large 4a or even 5a by now. Iota should be a small 2a school and not pushing 4a as they are now. Midland is a large 1a and they should be class C. It is not as bad as iknownothing says but the direction is not in the right direction.
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Post by gentsandpios on Aug 4, 2016 8:21:13 GMT -6
You are as hateful of the public schools as you accuse them of acting against privates. Despite your rants there are good things happening in some traditional public schools but you are blinded to that fact because you take the position that all public schools are bad and must be started over from scratch. I've had kid graduate from Notre Dame and kid graduate from Crowley high. Both are in college and qualified for Tops as well as other scholarships. Both are on pace to graduate on schedule. Both high schools did a good job of preparing them for college. Both have friends that they graduated with from both schools that couldn't handle the academic rigors of college life and dropped out. There are no guarantees that any kid will get thru college just because of where they attended HS. I am a proud supporter of both schools that my kids attended and can attest to the fact that a quality education can be attained at both of these schools, one private and one public. I agree, but let's agree on the overall direction of public schools is down. Crowley High in the day was as good as school anywhere. Many of my st Mike classmates chose CHS over ND for academic reasons. They also went because of a great FFA program. Some were football players and CHS at the time was in a bad way football wise. ND I don't think loses students for those reasons anymore. CHS should be a large 4a or even 5a by now. Iota should be a small 2a school and not pushing 4a as they are now. Midland is a large 1a and they should be class C. It is not as bad as iknownothing says but the direction is not in the right direction. Indy, I will agree that when we look at the macro scale of public schools there are obviously some issues that need to be addressed. When discussing the micro scale I can only discuss the 2 high schools that I have personal experience. I agree that Notre Dame is not losing kids to CHS because of academics as Notre Dame has a great academic record especially the honors program. My kids were never involved in FFA but from what I hear from parents at both schools that are involved in farming CHS FFA program is still probably the stronger program. I will also stipulate that my kids that went to CHS were in the honors program so that probably made a difference in their academic preparation. Now that I have stipulated the limitations of my experiences I will say that there are issues at both schools which I was and am concerned with but recognize that those issues usually centered on the behaviors or actions of a minority of kids. You have kids that do stupid things at both schools, sometimes with the open endorsement of their parents. The schools try to control them but kids will be kids and try and push boundaries that's just a fact. Their are certain teachers at both schools that I disagreed with but recognize that their are more good teachers than bad and it takes time to weed out the bad ones. Overall my perception of CHS has been positive, again through the lense of looking at the honors program. My perception of ND has been positive. I just get tired of the fact that some think that private schools are always superior to public schools. I have heard that said by friends and family when I allowed my kids to choose which high school to attend. In my admittidly limited experience that has not proven to be true.
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Post by indy on Aug 4, 2016 8:47:54 GMT -6
I agree, but let's agree on the overall direction of public schools is down. Crowley High in the day was as good as school anywhere. Many of my st Mike classmates chose CHS over ND for academic reasons. They also went because of a great FFA program. Some were football players and CHS at the time was in a bad way football wise. ND I don't think loses students for those reasons anymore. CHS should be a large 4a or even 5a by now. Iota should be a small 2a school and not pushing 4a as they are now. Midland is a large 1a and they should be class C. It is not as bad as iknownothing says but the direction is not in the right direction. Indy, I will agree that when we look at the macro scale of public schools there are obviously some issues that need to be addressed. When discussing the micro scale I can only discuss the 2 high schools that I have personal experience. I agree that Notre Dame is not losing kids to CHS because of academics as Notre Dame has a great academic record especially the honors program. My kids were never involved in FFA but from what I hear from parents at both schools that are involved in farming CHS FFA program is still probably the stronger program. I will also stipulate that my kids that went to CHS were in the honors program so that probably made a difference in their academic preparation. Now that I have stipulated the limitations of my experiences I will say that there are issues at both schools which I was and am concerned with but recognize that those issues usually centered on the behaviors or actions of a minority of kids. You have kids that do stupid things at both schools, sometimes with the open endorsement of their parents. The schools try to control them but kids will be kids and try and push boundaries that's just a fact. Their are certain teachers at both schools that I disagreed with but recognize that their are more good teachers than bad and it takes time to weed out the bad ones. Overall my perception of CHS has been positive, again through the lense of looking at the honors program. My perception of ND has been positive. I just get tired of the fact that some think that private schools are always superior to public schools. I have heard that said by friends and family when I allowed my kids to choose which high school to attend. In my admittidly limited experience that has not proven to be true. I agree on all that. Any school can be great experience with the right attitude and work ethic. But imo something is not right at CHS with the exodus of students. Rayne High is larger than CHS, that should never be. Every ACADIA parish school is growing and CHS is shrinking. Why is their long time BB coaches sons at iota and midland? The ashby kid at iota? Ancelets kid at Northside? Ben Broussard at ND? CHS was 1 student away from 3a, Rayne mid 4a, why? Personally I think the superintendent is weak, but it has to be more than that. Maybe I shouldn't complain because Bad public schools is good for the private school Buisness, but it's not good for the overall future of our parish and State.
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Post by gentsandpios on Aug 4, 2016 9:40:12 GMT -6
]I agree on all that. Any school can be great experience with the right attitude and work ethic. But imo something is not right at CHS with the exodus of students. Rayne High is larger than CHS, that should never be. Every ACADIA parish school is growing and CHS is shrinking. Why is their long time BB coaches sons at iota and midland? The ashby kid at iota? Ancelets kid at Northside? Ben Broussard at ND? CHS was 1 student away from 3a, Rayne mid 4a, why? Personally I think the superintendent is weak, but it has to be more than that. Maybe I shouldn't complain because Bad public schools is good for the private school Buisness, but it's not good for the overall future of our parish and State.[/quote]
We agree on Dr. Bourque as I have not been impressed with many of his decisions. Can't answer as to why CHS is not growing at same rate as other schools other than to say it is none of my business why the parents you mentioned choose the schools you mentioned. I know all of the families you mentioned as friends and think each made a decision that was best for them especially athletically and socially. But this thread was started based on the academic quality of public schools.
If I could wave a magic wand I wish all public schools would be structured within ISDs that way the local schools could make decisions and changes based on what the schools thought best for their students but alas I don't possess said wand.
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Post by indy on Aug 4, 2016 10:09:42 GMT -6
Majic wand? Try a baseball bat!
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Post by iknownuthing on Aug 4, 2016 11:32:19 GMT -6
I love it. My I am hateful but you call for a magic wand to go to ALL ISD. LOL.
Public schools are the backbone of our nation. Our REPUBLIC (we do NOT have a democracy) is based on a well educated, moral and RELIGIOUS electorate. We risk losing our nation and state if educational standards do not change dramatically and soon. I get flabbergasted talking to 15 and 16 year olds that have been brain washed that illegal aliens have the same rights as a citizen. That's when I whip out may pocket constitution so they can read it out loud.
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Post by gentsandpios on Aug 4, 2016 12:20:30 GMT -6
I love it. My I am hateful but you call for a magic wand to go to ALL ISD. LOL. Public schools are the backbone of our nation. Our REPUBLIC (we do NOT have a democracy) is based on a well educated, moral and RELIGIOUS electorate. We risk losing our nation and state if educational standards do not change dramatically and soon. I get flabbergasted talking to 15 and 16 year olds that have been brain washed that illegal aliens have the same rights as a citizen. That's when I whip out may pocket constitution so they can read it out loud. So kids at STM have been brain washed? What are y'all teaching there:) jk, kids have the privilege of being naive and misinformed. And yes I am not blind to problems at the macro level of public education and think ISDs would be a step in the right direction. I disagree that private schools have an advantage in teaching morals. That along with religion should be nurtured and the foundation set in the home not the school. In my experience thier are kids in both public and private schools that lack the home life to teach good morals, again I state it is minority of kids. Major difference is that due to economic conditions of the family some of the private school kids get help through counsellors or rehab programs and some in public schools with same problems end up in jail.
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Post by indy on Aug 4, 2016 16:47:49 GMT -6
I love it. My I am hateful but you call for a magic wand to go to ALL ISD. LOL. Public schools are the backbone of our nation. Our REPUBLIC (we do NOT have a democracy) is based on a well educated, moral and RELIGIOUS electorate. We risk losing our nation and state if educational standards do not change dramatically and soon. I get flabbergasted talking to 15 and 16 year olds that have been brain washed that illegal aliens have the same rights as a citizen. That's when I whip out may pocket constitution so they can read it out loud. So kids at STM have been brain washed? What are y'all teaching there:) jk, kids have the privilege of being naive and misinformed. And yes I am not blind to problems at the macro level of public education and think ISDs would be a step in the right direction. I disagree that private schools have an advantage in teaching morals. That along with religion should be nurtured and the foundation set in the home not the school. In my experience thier are kids in both public and private schools that lack the home life to teach good morals, again I state it is minority of kids. Major difference is that due to economic conditions of the family some of the private school kids get help through counsellors or rehab programs and some in public schools with same problems end up in jail. As an innocent bystander I will arbitrate between y'all two. Y'all are both right. The public school system is declining, we rank dead last, no denying. But they have exceptions all over. Wether it be in individual schools or successes within schools their are many successes out there, academically and athletic. That also goes both ways, their are private and charter schools that would be ranked low as well.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Aug 5, 2016 7:03:59 GMT -6
So kids at STM have been brain washed? What are y'all teaching there:) jk, kids have the privilege of being naive and misinformed. And yes I am not blind to problems at the macro level of public education and think ISDs would be a step in the right direction. I disagree that private schools have an advantage in teaching morals. That along with religion should be nurtured and the foundation set in the home not the school. In my experience thier are kids in both public and private schools that lack the home life to teach good morals, again I state it is minority of kids. Major difference is that due to economic conditions of the family some of the private school kids get help through counsellors or rehab programs and some in public schools with same problems end up in jail. As an innocent bystander I will arbitrate between y'all two. Y'all are both right. The public school system is declining, we rank dead last, no denying. But they have exceptions all over. Wether it be in individual schools or successes within schools their are many successes out there, academically and athletic. That also goes both ways, their are private and charter schools that would be ranked low as well. Indy.....The voice of reason who would have thunk it LOL jk.
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Post by indy on Aug 5, 2016 8:38:12 GMT -6
As an innocent bystander I will arbitrate between y'all two. Y'all are both right. The public school system is declining, we rank dead last, no denying. But they have exceptions all over. Wether it be in individual schools or successes within schools their are many successes out there, academically and athletic. That also goes both ways, their are private and charter schools that would be ranked low as well. Indy.....The voice of reason who would have thunk it LOL jk. Lol, Trump's appointing me as an Ambassador to the U.N. I'm gonna straighten their butt out too!
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Post by iknownuthing on Aug 5, 2016 9:22:24 GMT -6
Indy.....The voice of reason who would have thunk it LOL jk. Lol, Trump's appointing me as an Ambassador to the U.N. I'm gonna straighten their butt out too! that's an easy one, cut off the funds and tell them to hit the highway and give back all that valuable real estate. Tell them to go to Paris.
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