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Post by GUNSLINGER on Oct 1, 2016 10:10:08 GMT -6
So, I'm not sure if this rule was snuck/voted in during the last January meeting or not, but apparently schools that play 7th/8th graders on their varsity teams must count those students in their enrollment count. I understand counting them since they were varsity athletes, but here's two things that doesn't make sense:
1) those 7th/8th grade athletes are already in high school school because they're freshmen and sopres, therefore they are getting counted twice 2) some of the names 7th/8th graders list the LHSAA is sending to schools contains kids that don't even still attend the school, but still have to count in the enrollment count
Like I said, I don't know if this is a new rule or what. I don't remember this rule from when I was in school or at other places I've coached. To me personally, the rule punishes schools that are either 7-12 or K-12 who have to dress out junior high kids just to field teams. I can imagine that really hurts Class B and Class C schools. The majority of said schools are either small rural schools, or small private schools. Either way, it seems like another way the LHSAA and big schools are screwing over the little guys. Is this a new rule?
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Post by indy on Oct 1, 2016 17:50:41 GMT -6
Good question. I will find out. I know we played U high when they had 8th graders on the team. Who knows with the LHSAA, anything stupid is possible. On a similar deal, ND at one time only had 3 classes, our 9th grade was a Jr high. Instead of counting our 9th grade which would seem logical, they assigned us Crowley High's freshman numbers which was 50% -70%?higher. It put us in 3a for many years when we had 2a enrollment. But that was the rule.
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Post by indy on Oct 1, 2016 17:56:46 GMT -6
I just found out that 7th & 8th graders are not counted, simply lagniappe. They have to be on the same campus with the same principal as high school. Loreauville had an 8th grader playing last night.
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Post by iknownuthing on Oct 2, 2016 20:09:07 GMT -6
I just found out that 7th & 8th graders are not counted, simply lagniappe. They have to be on the same campus with the same principal as high school. Loreauville had an 8th grader playing last night. Eight grades playing must be on the same campus and must meet all eligibility rules. IE, Under 19 etc..
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Post by LATigerFan on Oct 3, 2016 6:50:21 GMT -6
Our current rb has been starting since he was an 8th grader.
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Post by TheFireman89 on Oct 3, 2016 7:34:57 GMT -6
When he was in high school in Elton, Titans NT Al Woods was a starter as an 8th grader. Some schools like South Cameron likely wouldn't be able to field a team without 8th and even 7th graders playing for the high school
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 7:32:53 GMT -6
The Executive committee met yesterday and made a ruling. 7th and 8th graders who were entered into the LHSAA online system LAST YEAR as players are added to this years enrollment count. So if they are freshmen this year they count twice basically.
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Post by GUNSLINGER on Oct 5, 2016 21:03:07 GMT -6
The Executive committee met yesterday and made a ruling. 7th and 8th graders who were entered into the LHSAA online system LAST YEAR as players are added to this years enrollment count. So if they are freshmen this year they count twice basically. This is the same last-minute changes, closed-doors bullcrap that the Executive Committee wanted Bonine fired for. It makes no sense to count students twice (or 3 times as some are, because if you played varsity as both a 7th and 8th grader you count twice there, plus once in the freshmen enrollment since now they're in the freshman class). All it does is punish two sets of people 1) small rural schools who have to have 7th/8th graders to be competitive (and therefore they don't need punishing they need all the help they can get) and 2) small private schools that are K-12 or 7-12. The LHSAA is out of control. I say burn the house to the ground and start over from scratch. The status quo has gotten ridiculous beyond repair.
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Post by indy on Oct 6, 2016 8:34:40 GMT -6
This 7th & 8th grade rule may have an impact on what class schools fall in. CHNI enrollment is at 409. That just might put them in 3A football because of a dozen or so 8th grade girls. It doesn't seem right, but it's the LHSAA. On the other hand at least they are not counting the whole class.
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Post by Hortdaddy on Oct 14, 2016 9:49:57 GMT -6
Because of that rule we are safely in 2A I am thinking,, our 8th graders normally come up after their season if they so choose and they live in the district.
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Post by iknownuthing on Oct 18, 2016 9:13:53 GMT -6
The Executive committee met yesterday and made a ruling. 7th and 8th graders who were entered into the LHSAA online system LAST YEAR as players are added to this years enrollment count. So if they are freshmen this year they count twice basically. You are assuming they all passed 8th grade and being counted as both.
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Post by iknownuthing on Oct 18, 2016 9:19:42 GMT -6
This 7th & 8th grade rule may have an impact on what class schools fall in. CHNI enrollment is at 409. That just might put them in 3A football because of a dozen or so 8th grade girls. It doesn't seem right, but it's the LHSAA. On the other hand at least they are not counting the whole class. Well if you have 8th grades playing, maybe they should count the whole class. Some schools refuse to play freshmen on varsity or JV. Is it unfair that Freshmen are counted?
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Post by indy on Oct 18, 2016 17:09:26 GMT -6
Because of that rule we are safely in 2A I am thinking,, our 8th graders normally come up after their season if they so choose and they live in the district. Calvary reported 67 from Jr high. 293 total This Jr high deal is gonna get a bunch of protest. St Charles Catholic has 55 Jr high for a total of 448, that's gonna push them to 3A
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Post by GUNSLINGER on Oct 19, 2016 5:36:26 GMT -6
This 7th & 8th grade rule may have an impact on what class schools fall in. CHNI enrollment is at 409. That just might put them in 3A football because of a dozen or so 8th grade girls. It doesn't seem right, but it's the LHSAA. On the other hand at least they are not counting the whole class. Well if you have 8th grades playing, maybe they should count the whole class. Some schools refuse to play freshmen on varsity or JV. Is it unfair that Freshmen are counted? It is when you're a small school who has to play Jr High kids just to have a team. Let's not sugar coat it, it's aimed at small schools (mainly K-12 and 8-12 privates), and if schools were good enough to NOT play Jr. High kids, don't you think that they would choose not to? I would have a heck of a lot less of a problem with the rule if they didn't force said schools to count Jr High kids that played a sport during the two-year run THAT NO LONGER ATTEND THE SCHOOL, as well as DOUBLE-COUNTING kids because they played baseball as an 8th Grader (therefore included in the Jr High Count) but now are a Freshman are Sopre (therefore included in the high school count).
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Post by indy on Oct 19, 2016 5:45:10 GMT -6
Well if you have 8th grades playing, maybe they should count the whole class. Some schools refuse to play freshmen on varsity or JV. Is it unfair that Freshmen are counted? It is when you're a small school who has to play Jr High kids just to have a team. Let's not sugar coat it, it's aimed at small schools (mainly K-12 and 8-12 privates), and if schools were good enough to NOT play Jr. High kids, don't you think that they would choose not to? I would have a heck of a lot less of a problem with the rule if they didn't force said schools to count Jr High kids that played a sport during the two-year run THAT NO LONGER ATTEND THE SCHOOL, as well as DOUBLE-COUNTING kids because they played baseball as an 8th Grader (therefore included in the Jr High Count) but now are a Freshman are Sopre (therefore included in the high school count). I couldn't agree more. It's stupid, but consider the source. All it takes is one self serving principal to to start a movement with a goal to rid one competitor. It's out of control.
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 19, 2016 7:48:22 GMT -6
I'm fine with counting those who actually play at the varsity level as enrollment, but to count entire classes is overreaching. Generally schools don't play junior high kids out of want, but out of need. It is more likely to be out of sheer necessity to field a team, than having a true eighth grader who can make an impact at the varsity level.
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Post by indy on Oct 19, 2016 7:55:12 GMT -6
I'm fine with counting those who actually play at the varsity level as enrollment, but to count entire classes is overreaching. Generally schools don't play junior high kids out of want, but out of need. It is more likely to be out of sheer necessity to field a team, than having a true eighth grader who can make an impact at the varsity level. The problem is 90% of the ones counted are girl volleyball, basketball, and tennis players which is forcing some schools to play up a class they don't belong in for football
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 19, 2016 7:59:55 GMT -6
I'm fine with counting those who actually play at the varsity level as enrollment, but to count entire classes is overreaching. Generally schools don't play junior high kids out of want, but out of need. It is more likely to be out of sheer necessity to field a team, than having a true eighth grader who can make an impact at the varsity level. The problem is 90% of the ones counted are girl volleyball, basketball, and tennis players which is forcing some schools to play up a class they don't belong in for football I get it, but it is the LHSAA not the Louisiana High School Football Association. Can't have it both ways.
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 19, 2016 8:03:00 GMT -6
I have seen schools won state championships in women's track, softball, and basketball on backs of 7th and 8th graders. I guess schools will have to decide if its worth the possibility of playing up a classification now.
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Post by indy on Oct 19, 2016 8:22:56 GMT -6
I have seen schools won state championships in women's track, softball, and basketball on backs of 7th and 8th graders. I guess schools will have to decide if its worth the possibility of playing up a classification now. You are correct but a two year notice instead of a two week notice could have givin them time to go through their own due diligence within their own school system. This is typical of a dysfunctional LHSAA and an inept group that is pulling the puppet strings.
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 19, 2016 8:26:04 GMT -6
I have seen schools won state championships in women's track, softball, and basketball on backs of 7th and 8th graders. I guess schools will have to decide if its worth the possibility of playing up a classification now. You are correct but a two year notice instead of a two week notice could have givin them time to go through their own due diligence within their own school system. This is typical of a dysfunctional LHSAA and an inept group that is pulling the puppet strings. Yes, they should have time to adjust if this is a new rule.
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Post by indy on Oct 19, 2016 9:05:59 GMT -6
You are correct but a two year notice instead of a two week notice could have givin them time to go through their own due diligence within their own school system. This is typical of a dysfunctional LHSAA and an inept group that is pulling the puppet strings. Yes, they should have time to adjust if this is a new rule. Not to mention girls VB, swimming, soccer, tennis, and golf don't even use the same 5 classification system the major sports use. They use a totally different division system. The LHSAA is retarded
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 19, 2016 9:09:37 GMT -6
Yes, they should have time to adjust if this is a new rule. Not to mention girls VB, swimming, soccer, tennis, and golf don't even use the same 5 classification system the major sports use. They use a totally different division system. The LHSAA is retarded Are all of those sports counted? I can see track, basketball, and softball, but those who are in a different class should not carry weight in the issue.
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Post by indy on Oct 19, 2016 9:12:48 GMT -6
Not to mention girls VB, swimming, soccer, tennis, and golf don't even use the same 5 classification system the major sports use. They use a totally different division system. The LHSAA is retarded Are all of those sports counted? I can see track, basketball, and softball, but those who are in a different class should not carry weight in the issue. They all counted, girls VB and swimming pushed SCC into 3A
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Post by iknownuthing on Oct 20, 2016 12:10:26 GMT -6
The problem is 90% of the ones counted are girl volleyball, basketball, and tennis players which is forcing some schools to play up a class they don't belong in for football I get it, but it is the LHSAA not the Louisiana High School Football Association. Can't have it both ways. Then why not submit numbers by enrollment and gender? For example, STM has about 290 boys. Even if you double the numbers that would make them a 3A school instead of a border line 5A. If you did this by sport, it would completely change the landscape for all schools.
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 20, 2016 12:16:25 GMT -6
I get it, but it is the LHSAA not the Louisiana High School Football Association. Can't have it both ways. Then why not submit numbers by enrollment and gender? For example, STM has about 290 boys. Even if you double the numbers that would make them a 3A school instead of a border line 5A. If you did this by sport, it would completely change the landscape for all schools. It would definitely change the landscape, but this wouldn't be feasible especially for smaller schools. If I'm understanding you correctly, you could have boys playing in one classification and girls playing in another? This would be very difficult for schools whose boys and girls share travel and facilities. This would be a logistical nightmare for smaller schools.
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Post by indy on Oct 20, 2016 12:19:03 GMT -6
I get it, but it is the LHSAA not the Louisiana High School Football Association. Can't have it both ways. Then why not submit numbers by enrollment and gender? For example, STM has about 290 boys. Even if you double the numbers that would make them a 3A school instead of a border line 5A. If you did this by sport, it would completely change the landscape for all schools. Dude, some schools can't get it done now, and you want to complicate even more. I can see the Rayville principal now, lining them up along the fence, 1,2,3,4....
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Post by chalmetteowl on Oct 24, 2016 8:16:49 GMT -6
Then why not submit numbers by enrollment and gender? For example, STM has about 290 boys. Even if you double the numbers that would make them a 3A school instead of a border line 5A. If you did this by sport, it would completely change the landscape for all schools. Dude, some schools can't get it done now, and you want to complicate even more. I can see the Rayville principal now, lining them up along the fence, 1,2,3,4.... the only sports i can think of that would be affected by different boys and girls classifications might be basketball and soccer, where both teams for a school might travel together and play back to back against both teams of a rival we used to do that in basketball, but in class 5A, we stagger the schedule so boys play Tuesday and Friday, and girls play Monday and Thursday
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Post by iknownuthing on Oct 25, 2016 12:25:47 GMT -6
Here is a question. What is the penalty for falsifying number counts to the LHSAA? How does the LHSAA know that the count is correct? They don't match them against BESE numbers, so how do they verify the count?
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Post by chalmetteowl on Oct 25, 2016 14:23:33 GMT -6
i'm pretty sure they take numbers straight from BESE or whoever now...
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