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Post by easyduzit on Dec 8, 2023 6:39:18 GMT -6
OG needs some DIV select love in their life. This is hard to watch. Explain why you think that is, if you don’t mind. Also, OG is moving up to D-III next year. they need better competition. Good, I’m glad they are moving up. Total mismatch in a state title game.
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Post by dax on Dec 8, 2023 9:14:07 GMT -6
A lot of tornado fans said the last game was close even tho the final score was 61-27. I'm wondering is this one still close 🙂 Nah' About as close as that is to being a winning statement.lol
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Post by watchman on Dec 8, 2023 9:20:15 GMT -6
Obviously 2 weeks is a long time for some. Looking back at the bracket, I'd say OG and Mangham were the 2 best teams in Division IV. Played the Tigers tough both times. Just a thought.
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Post by hvilletornado on Dec 8, 2023 9:25:31 GMT -6
Congrats to the OG Tigers! Fantastic team. They came out, put us away early and left no doubt. I’m extremely proud of our Tornado team. We never quit and we gave max effort. That’s all you can ask for. Nothing at all to hang our heads about. In the end, the opponent was just too much to overcome.
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Post by kamala on Dec 8, 2023 10:10:28 GMT -6
Without a doubt, Oak Grove has turned into an actual machine the last several years. Of course, that is much easier to do when you can pull kids from every school in the parish because you're the only one who plays football. All these recent state championships should have asterisks next to them. Its a joke Oak Grove stays in Non-Select but other schools get pushed that way. So are you saying that Many, Winnfield, Union, Jonesboro-Hodge, Red River, Franklin Parish, Caldwell, Grand Lake, East Feliciana, Assumption and St Helena should all be select as well?
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Post by indy on Dec 8, 2023 10:13:30 GMT -6
Without a doubt, Oak Grove has turned into an actual machine the last several years. Of course, that is much easier to do when you can pull kids from every school in the parish because you're the only one who plays football. All these recent state championships should have asterisks next to them. Its a joke Oak Grove stays in Non-Select but other schools get pushed that way. So are you saying that Many, Winnfield, Union, Jonesboro-Hodge, Red River, Franklin Parish, Caldwell, Grand Lake, East Feliciana, Assumption and St Helena should all be select as well? Yes
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Post by chalmetteowl on Dec 8, 2023 10:27:29 GMT -6
Without a doubt, Oak Grove has turned into an actual machine the last several years. Of course, that is much easier to do when you can pull kids from every school in the parish because you're the only one who plays football. All these recent state championships should have asterisks next to them. Its a joke Oak Grove stays in Non-Select but other schools get pushed that way. So are you saying that Many, Winnfield, Union, Jonesboro-Hodge, Red River, Franklin Parish, Caldwell, Grand Lake, East Feliciana, Assumption and St Helena should all be select as well? 😂 y’all keep forgetting the only 5A school that fits that description
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Post by airraid on Dec 8, 2023 10:37:30 GMT -6
Without a doubt, Oak Grove has turned into an actual machine the last several years. Of course, that is much easier to do when you can pull kids from every school in the parish because you're the only one who plays football. All these recent state championships should have asterisks next to them. Its a joke Oak Grove stays in Non-Select but other schools get pushed that way. So are you saying that Many, Winnfield, Union, Jonesboro-Hodge, Red River, Franklin Parish, Caldwell, Grand Lake, East Feliciana, Assumption and St Helena should all be select as well? Pretty simple, I forget the actual %, but schools are put into select if a certain % of their enrollment comes from outside their zone (I know there are other situations, like open enrollment, ASH, etc). Paperwork is already being done on these kids, if that percentage is met for kids who are not in your district, but play football at Oak Grove for example, put em' in select. The raw talent and dominance of Oak Grove the last 5 years, I don't think that is just the "it is a well run program" idea.
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Post by kamala on Dec 8, 2023 10:41:16 GMT -6
So are you saying that Many, Winnfield, Union, Jonesboro-Hodge, Red River, Franklin Parish, Caldwell, Grand Lake, East Feliciana, Assumption and St Helena should all be select as well? Yes What's up Indy! Glad to see you back on here.
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Post by indy on Dec 8, 2023 10:52:20 GMT -6
What's up Indy! Glad to see you back on here. 😂 I miss y’all.
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Post by kamala on Dec 8, 2023 11:12:20 GMT -6
So are you saying that Many, Winnfield, Union, Jonesboro-Hodge, Red River, Franklin Parish, Caldwell, Grand Lake, East Feliciana, Assumption and St Helena should all be select as well? Pretty simple, I forget the actual %, but schools are put into select if a certain % of their enrollment comes from outside their zone (I know there are other situations, like open enrollment, ASH, etc). Paperwork is already being done on these kids, if that percentage is met for kids who are not in your district, but play football at Oak Grove for example, put em' in select. The raw talent and dominance of Oak Grove the last 5 years, I don't think that is just the "it is a well run program" idea. You ever been to Oak Grove? You ever been to West Carroll Parish? The casual traveler would drive up Hwy 17 from Epps to Kilbourne, or come in on Hwy 2 from Bastrop into Oak Grove, and think that they had been time warped into the 1970's. 90% of the parish is farmland, water and trees. It takes 30 seconds to drive through Epps, 15 seconds to drive through Forest and Kilbourne and 5 seconds to drive through Pioneer and Darnell. If you want to take the scenic route, you can hit Goodwill. That'll take 10 seconds. Or you can head west and go to Fiske Union....good ol' "F U"....and visit the Beouf River. You could literally drive through all 7 of those small towns and not see 20 people, total. You could pass through Oak Grove on Hwy 17 headed to Kilbourne, and if you hit the red light just right, you will pass right through downtown and see a handful of cars and maybe 10 people. Hell, on a good day, you could drive right down Main Street Oak Grove and head down to the Sonic at the other end of town, and unless it's lunch time, you won't see 20 people then either. There is very little in West Carroll. There is very little in Oak Grove. There is practically nothing in any of those other towns and villages. Except the people. Scattered all out in the country and down little side roads. Yet Oak Grove turns out great football, baseball and softball. Occasionally they'll make a run in boys or girls basketball. Kilbourne has long been a strong boys basketball program. Occasionally they are good at track. Epps was a long time track and basketball dynamo. As recently as the last 12 years, Forest won three state titles in baseball and one in softball. Unfortunately, due to very little tax base from anything other than Wal-Mart and a few restaurants, Kilbourne and Epps are closed. Fiske Union and Goodwill schools are closed. Pioneer was closed 35 years ago. People up there farm and pipeline for the most part. A few work in town here and there at a few businesses, but the majority of West Carroll and Oak Grove people don't live "in town". Teachers and coaches at Oak Grove are among the lowest paid in the state. You can look that up. What they DO HAVE though is a lot of tradition, loyalty to their schools and programs, and a whole lot of expectations that get passed down to their kids and grandkids. I would argue that Haynesville is much the same way. People in Oak Grove work off for months at a time on pipelines, or work amazingly long hours farming so that their family can remain in West Carroll and their kids can go to school there. By the way, Oak Grove is an "A" school when it comes to school performance scores. There aren't a lot of rich folks in Oak Grove or West Carroll. But that is where they want to be, so they make their life as good as they can, and that includes having outstanding students and having outstanding sports programs. They will spend their last dime to give their kids the opportunity to be a part of something succesful and special, but at the same time, they understand that there are demands and expectations placed on their kids that have to be met at school and on the playing fields. Before you continue to make a fool of yourself and talk about things that you don't understand, take a drive up to West Carroll Parish and spend the day driving around. Stop and visit with some people. Go by the school and visit with some coaches. Attend an Oak Grove game of any sport. You will see what I'm talking about. I haven't lived there in nearly 35 years, and neither have most of my old friends from home, but some things never change. The folks who have chosen to stay , and the ones who have come there and made Oak Grove and West Carroll their home, have chosen to be exceptional, academically and athletically, in spite of their lack of resources. I think I speak for a lot of people who read on here and some who post on here when I say instead of bashing Oak Grove for their success and looking for a "reason" for it, why don't you give them credit for building something amazing, in a parish with the 59th smallest population in the state out of 64 parishes and virtually no resources beyond agriculture, logging and hunting and fishing.
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Post by OG93LB on Dec 8, 2023 11:48:51 GMT -6
Without a doubt, Oak Grove has turned into an actual machine the last several years. Of course, that is much easier to do when you can pull kids from every school in the parish because you're the only one who plays football. All these recent state championships should have asterisks next to them. Its a joke Oak Grove stays in Non-Select but other schools get pushed that way. So are you saying that Many, Winnfield, Union, Jonesboro-Hodge, Red River, Franklin Parish, Caldwell, Grand Lake, East Feliciana, Assumption and St Helena should all be select as well? I can literally count on one hand the number of kids OG has had that played football from other parish schools…the other 4 schools in parish (class B and C schools before 2 of them closed down with consolidation) obviously didn’t have football…so it’s not like we are pulling kids from another football program over to OG….the school consolidation didn’t do anything to improve our football program-all it did was up enrollment and will eventually move us up…but to think we have ever had an advantage pulling from the non football small B and C schools is inaccurate
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Post by OG93LB on Dec 8, 2023 12:25:24 GMT -6
Pretty simple, I forget the actual %, but schools are put into select if a certain % of their enrollment comes from outside their zone (I know there are other situations, like open enrollment, ASH, etc). Paperwork is already being done on these kids, if that percentage is met for kids who are not in your district, but play football at Oak Grove for example, put em' in select. The raw talent and dominance of Oak Grove the last 5 years, I don't think that is just the "it is a well run program" idea. You ever been to Oak Grove? You ever been to West Carroll Parish? The casual traveler would drive up Hwy 17 from Epps to Kilbourne, or come in on Hwy 2 from Bastrop into Oak Grove, and think that they had been time warped into the 1970's. 90% of the parish is farmland, water and trees. It takes 30 seconds to drive through Epps, 15 seconds to drive through Forest and Kilbourne and 5 seconds to drive through Pioneer and Darnell. If you want to take the scenic route, you can hit Goodwill. That'll take 10 seconds. Or you can head west and go to Fiske Union....good ol' "F U"....and visit the Beouf River. You could literally drive through all 7 of those small towns and not see 20 people, total. You could pass through Oak Grove on Hwy 17 headed to Kilbourne, and if you hit the red light just right, you will pass right through downtown and see a handful of cars and maybe 10 people. Hell, on a good day, you could drive right down Main Street Oak Grove and head down to the Sonic at the other end of town, and unless it's lunch time, you won't see 20 people then either. There is very little in West Carroll. There is very little in Oak Grove. There is practically nothing in any of those other towns and villages. Except the people. Scattered all out in the country and down little side roads. Yet Oak Grove turns out great football, baseball and softball. Occasionally they'll make a run in boys or girls basketball. Kilbourne has long been a strong boys basketball program. Occasionally they are good at track. Epps was a long time track and basketball dynamo. As recently as the last 12 years, Forest won three state titles in baseball and one in softball. Unfortunately, due to very little tax base from anything other than Wal-Mart and a few restaurants, Kilbourne and Epps are closed. Fiske Union and Goodwill schools are closed. Pioneer was closed 35 years ago. People up there farm and pipeline for the most part. A few work in town here and there at a few businesses, but the majority of West Carroll and Oak Grove people don't live "in town". Teachers and coaches at Oak Grove are among the lowest paid in the state. You can look that up. What they DO HAVE though is a lot of tradition, loyalty to their schools and programs, and a whole lot of expectations that get passed down to their kids and grandkids. I would argue that Haynesville is much the same way. People in Oak Grove work off for months at a time on pipelines, or work amazingly long hours farming so that their family can remain in West Carroll and their kids can go to school there. By the way, Oak Grove is an "A" school when it comes to school performance scores. There aren't a lot of rich folks in Oak Grove or West Carroll. But that is where they want to be, so they make their life as good as they can, and that includes having outstanding students and having outstanding sports programs. They will spend their last dime to give their kids the opportunity to be a part of something succesful and special, but at the same time, they understand that there are demands and expectations placed on their kids that have to be met at school and on the playing fields. Before you continue to make a fool of yourself and talk about things that you don't understand, take a drive up to West Carroll Parish and spend the day driving around. Stop and visit with some people. Go by the school and visit with some coaches. Attend an Oak Grove game of any sport. You will see what I'm talking about. I haven't lived there in nearly 35 years, and neither have most of my old friends from home, but some things never change. The folks who have chosen to stay , and the ones who have come there and made Oak Grove and West Carroll their home, have chosen to be exceptional, academically and athletically, in spite of their lack of resources. I think I speak for a lot of people who read on here and some who post on here when I say instead of bashing Oak Grove for their success and looking for a "reason" for it, why don't you give them credit for building something amazing, in a parish with the 59th smallest population in the state out of 64 parishes and virtually no resources beyond agriculture, logging and hunting and fishing. Thank you…I was born and raised and live in OG-played on one of our undefeated title teams (long time ago lol) have son playing now and a daughter who was on title teams in softball…great description of how things are done (maybe a little exaggerated with the ghost town stuff lol) but yeah people making these posts about OG having ANY “advantages” just plain have NO clue what they are talking about
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Post by tigerfan7997 on Dec 8, 2023 12:41:34 GMT -6
So are you saying that Many, Winnfield, Union, Jonesboro-Hodge, Red River, Franklin Parish, Caldwell, Grand Lake, East Feliciana, Assumption and St Helena should all be select as well? Yes I would argue against Assumption as they are the ONLY high school in the parish; if I am correct every one of those other parishes have other High schools, and if you play football you go to the Football school.
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Post by watchman on Dec 8, 2023 12:44:57 GMT -6
Pretty simple, I forget the actual %, but schools are put into select if a certain % of their enrollment comes from outside their zone (I know there are other situations, like open enrollment, ASH, etc). Paperwork is already being done on these kids, if that percentage is met for kids who are not in your district, but play football at Oak Grove for example, put em' in select. The raw talent and dominance of Oak Grove the last 5 years, I don't think that is just the "it is a well run program" idea. You ever been to Oak Grove? You ever been to West Carroll Parish? The casual traveler would drive up Hwy 17 from Epps to Kilbourne, or come in on Hwy 2 from Bastrop into Oak Grove, and think that they had been time warped into the 1970's. 90% of the parish is farmland, water and trees. It takes 30 seconds to drive through Epps, 15 seconds to drive through Forest and Kilbourne and 5 seconds to drive through Pioneer and Darnell. If you want to take the scenic route, you can hit Goodwill. That'll take 10 seconds. Or you can head west and go to Fiske Union....good ol' "F U"....and visit the Beouf River. You could literally drive through all 7 of those small towns and not see 20 people, total. You could pass through Oak Grove on Hwy 17 headed to Kilbourne, and if you hit the red light just right, you will pass right through downtown and see a handful of cars and maybe 10 people. Hell, on a good day, you could drive right down Main Street Oak Grove and head down to the Sonic at the other end of town, and unless it's lunch time, you won't see 20 people then either. There is very little in West Carroll. There is very little in Oak Grove. There is practically nothing in any of those other towns and villages. Except the people. Scattered all out in the country and down little side roads. Yet Oak Grove turns out great football, baseball and softball. Occasionally they'll make a run in boys or girls basketball. Kilbourne has long been a strong boys basketball program. Occasionally they are good at track. Epps was a long time track and basketball dynamo. As recently as the last 12 years, Forest won three state titles in baseball and one in softball. Unfortunately, due to very little tax base from anything other than Wal-Mart and a few restaurants, Kilbourne and Epps are closed. Fiske Union and Goodwill schools are closed. Pioneer was closed 35 years ago. People up there farm and pipeline for the most part. A few work in town here and there at a few businesses, but the majority of West Carroll and Oak Grove people don't live "in town". Teachers and coaches at Oak Grove are among the lowest paid in the state. You can look that up. What they DO HAVE though is a lot of tradition, loyalty to their schools and programs, and a whole lot of expectations that get passed down to their kids and grandkids. I would argue that Haynesville is much the same way. People in Oak Grove work off for months at a time on pipelines, or work amazingly long hours farming so that their family can remain in West Carroll and their kids can go to school there. By the way, Oak Grove is an "A" school when it comes to school performance scores. There aren't a lot of rich folks in Oak Grove or West Carroll. But that is where they want to be, so they make their life as good as they can, and that includes having outstanding students and having outstanding sports programs. They will spend their last dime to give their kids the opportunity to be a part of something succesful and special, but at the same time, they understand that there are demands and expectations placed on their kids that have to be met at school and on the playing fields. Before you continue to make a fool of yourself and talk about things that you don't understand, take a drive up to West Carroll Parish and spend the day driving around. Stop and visit with some people. Go by the school and visit with some coaches. Attend an Oak Grove game of any sport. You will see what I'm talking about. I haven't lived there in nearly 35 years, and neither have most of my old friends from home, but some things never change. The folks who have chosen to stay , and the ones who have come there and made Oak Grove and West Carroll their home, have chosen to be exceptional, academically and athletically, in spite of their lack of resources. I think I speak for a lot of people who read on here and some who post on here when I say instead of bashing Oak Grove for their success and looking for a "reason" for it, why don't you give them credit for building something amazing, in a parish with the 59th smallest population in the state out of 64 parishes and virtually no resources beyond agriculture, logging and hunting and fishing. My family has lived in West Carroll for 100+ years but I spent most of my childhood elsewhere. My wife and I made the decision to move to OG so she could teach and we could raise our kids there years ago. Took three years for me to find a job good enough to make that happen. No place is perfect but all three kids got a great education and were part of something we as parents never had. And the tradition and stories do truly go back for decades. My kids are grown now and I still can't think of any place I'd rather live. This post is one of the best I've read here for someone to understand what happens in our little corner of the world. Congrats Tigers.
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Post by kamala on Dec 8, 2023 12:47:13 GMT -6
I would argue against Assumption as they are the ONLY high school in the parish; if I am correct every one of those other parishes have other High schools, and if you play football you go to the Football school. Red River HS is the only high school in Red River Parish. Caldwell HS is the only high school in Caldwell Parish. Franklin Parish HS is the only high school in Franklin Parish
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Post by tigerfan7997 on Dec 8, 2023 12:58:17 GMT -6
I would argue against Assumption as they are the ONLY high school in the parish; if I am correct every one of those other parishes have other High schools, and if you play football you go to the Football school. Red River HS is the only high school in Red River Parish. Caldwell HS is the only high school in Caldwell Parish. Franklin Parish HS is the only high school in Franklin Parish If that is the case they should be left off this list that should be considered select.
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Post by kamala on Dec 8, 2023 13:59:32 GMT -6
Right now Oak Grove and Forest are the only two high schools in West Carroll. They are literally 5 miles apart, if that. Are you still crying about Oak Grove having an unfair advantage? Will you still cry next year when Oak Grove moves up to Division III and still does well? What will be your reason then?
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Post by tigerfan87 on Dec 8, 2023 14:13:46 GMT -6
Without a doubt, Oak Grove has turned into an actual machine the last several years. Of course, that is much easier to do when you can pull kids from every school in the parish because you're the only one who plays football. All these recent state championships should have asterisks next to them. Its a joke Oak Grove stays in Non-Select but other schools get pushed that way. And as I’ve pointed out many times on here that is not and to my knowledge has never been West Carroll Parish policy. Kids that live in forest or Epps cannot attend OG jus to play football. I’m pretty confident I’m right on that. If I’m wrong somebody can pull up the policy. This is a false narrative created by jealous people who hate seeing others be successful because it reminds them of their own shortcomings
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Post by hvilletornado on Dec 8, 2023 14:36:09 GMT -6
Oak Grove isn’t the only school who draws all of the football talent in their parish. As mentioned, Caldwell, Red River and others enjoy the same. It’s one thing to “have it” and another to capitalize on it. Also, let’s not overlook or discredit the fact that Oak Grove was a perennial contender prior to the consolidation. Does the enrollment advantage help? Absolutely. Is it the main catalyst to their success? Absolutely not. Their success of late is the result of having exceptional talent, excellent coaching and great community support. Hell, most of their best players parents are alumni. Since the merger, they’ve just reached another level that a traditional 1A and most 2A schools will likely never achieve. They reality is, they literally had twice as many players and twice the enrollment of Haynesville. The game was essentially the best of 1A vs the best of 2A, and the 2A team did exactly what you should do to a smaller school, dominate. It wasn’t just because of “numbers.” It was talent, coaching and execution. Haynesville has faced and beaten teams with greater numbers many times before. You can’t fault Oak Grove for dominating the division. That’s what they’re suppose to do. Any complaints, grievances, etc. should be directed at the LHSAA, not Oak Grove.
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Post by OG93LB on Dec 8, 2023 14:57:37 GMT -6
Oak Grove isn’t the only school who draws all of the football talent in their parish. As mentioned, Caldwell, Red River and others enjoy the same. It’s one thing to “have it” and another to capitalize on it. Also, let’s not overlook or discredit the fact that Oak Grove was a perennial contender prior to the consolidation. Does the enrollment advantage help? Absolutely. Is it the main catalyst to their success? Absolutely not. Their success of late is the result of having exceptional talent, excellent coaching and great community support. Hell, most of their best players parents are alumni. Since the merger, they’ve just reached another level that a traditional 1A and most 2A schools will likely never achieve. They reality is, they literally had twice as many players and twice the enrollment of Haynesville. The game was essentially the best of 1A vs the best of 2A, and the 2A team did exactly what you should do to a smaller school, dominate. It wasn’t just because of “numbers.” It was talent, coaching and execution. Haynesville has faced and beaten teams with greater numbers many times before. You can’t fault Oak Grove for dominating the division. That’s what they’re suppose to do. Any complaints, grievances, etc. should be directed at the LHSAA, not Oak Grove. My man your numbers are way off….OG dressed out 59 Haynesville 50???
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Post by kamala on Dec 8, 2023 14:58:48 GMT -6
Oak Grove isn’t the only school who draws all of the football talent in their parish. As mentioned, Caldwell, Red River and others enjoy the same. It’s one thing to “have it” and another to capitalize on it. Also, let’s not overlook or discredit the fact that Oak Grove was a perennial contender prior to the consolidation. Does the enrollment advantage help? Absolutely. Is it the main catalyst to their success? Absolutely not. Their success of late is the result of having exceptional talent, excellent coaching and great community support. Hell, most of their best players parents are alumni. Since the merger, they’ve just reached another level that a traditional 1A and most 2A schools will likely never achieve. They reality is, they literally had twice as many players and twice the enrollment of Haynesville. The game was essentially the best of 1A vs the best of 2A, and the 2A team did exactly what you should do to a smaller school, dominate. It wasn’t just because of “numbers.” It was talent, coaching and execution. Haynesville has faced and beaten teams with greater numbers many times before. You can’t fault Oak Grove for dominating the division. That’s what they’re suppose to do. Any complaints, grievances, etc. should be directed at the LHSAA, not Oak Grove. Outstanding!
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Post by OG93LB on Dec 8, 2023 14:59:51 GMT -6
Oak Grove isn’t the only school who draws all of the football talent in their parish. As mentioned, Caldwell, Red River and others enjoy the same. It’s one thing to “have it” and another to capitalize on it. Also, let’s not overlook or discredit the fact that Oak Grove was a perennial contender prior to the consolidation. Does the enrollment advantage help? Absolutely. Is it the main catalyst to their success? Absolutely not. Their success of late is the result of having exceptional talent, excellent coaching and great community support. Hell, most of their best players parents are alumni. Since the merger, they’ve just reached another level that a traditional 1A and most 2A schools will likely never achieve. They reality is, they literally had twice as many players and twice the enrollment of Haynesville. The game was essentially the best of 1A vs the best of 2A, and the 2A team did exactly what you should do to a smaller school, dominate. It wasn’t just because of “numbers.” It was talent, coaching and execution. Haynesville has faced and beaten teams with greater numbers many times before. You can’t fault Oak Grove for dominating the division. That’s what they’re suppose to do. Any complaints, grievances, etc. should be directed at the LHSAA, not Oak Grove. My man your numbers are way off….OG dressed out 59 Haynesville 50??? And the enrollment numbers prior to consolidation-which we gained nothing football-wise was around 50 students
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Post by kamala on Dec 8, 2023 15:01:30 GMT -6
Oak Grove isn’t the only school who draws all of the football talent in their parish. As mentioned, Caldwell, Red River and others enjoy the same. It’s one thing to “have it” and another to capitalize on it. Also, let’s not overlook or discredit the fact that Oak Grove was a perennial contender prior to the consolidation. Does the enrollment advantage help? Absolutely. Is it the main catalyst to their success? Absolutely not. Their success of late is the result of having exceptional talent, excellent coaching and great community support. Hell, most of their best players parents are alumni. Since the merger, they’ve just reached another level that a traditional 1A and most 2A schools will likely never achieve. They reality is, they literally had twice as many players and twice the enrollment of Haynesville. The game was essentially the best of 1A vs the best of 2A, and the 2A team did exactly what you should do to a smaller school, dominate. It wasn’t just because of “numbers.” It was talent, coaching and execution. Haynesville has faced and beaten teams with greater numbers many times before. You can’t fault Oak Grove for dominating the division. That’s what they’re suppose to do. Any complaints, grievances, etc. should be directed at the LHSAA, not Oak Grove. My man your numbers are way off….OG dressed out 59 Haynesville 50??? Yea, I didn't see that big of a difference in total numbers. What I saw was that Oak Grove has cultivated a two platoon system for at least 15 years now, and it helps them tremendously once the playoffs start. Haynesville, as most teams do in the lower levels, had several two way starters and they get worn down. Coach Dalrymple started the two platoon thing and Coach Gregory has continued it. Sometimes it takes them a minute to work out the kinks, but once they do....watch out! If you are going to beat Oak Grove, it's best to catch them early.
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Post by OG93LB on Dec 8, 2023 15:05:18 GMT -6
My man your numbers are way off….OG dressed out 59 Haynesville 50??? Yea, I didn't see that big of a difference in total numbers. What I saw was that Oak Grove has cultivated a two platoon system for at least 15 years now, and it helps them tremendously once the playoffs start. Haynesville, as most teams do in the lower levels, had several two way starters and they get worn down. Coach Dalrymple started the two platoon thing and Coach Gregory has continued it. Sometimes it takes them a minute to work out the kinks, but once they do....watch out! If you are going to beat Oak Grove, it's best to catch them early. I played for Coach D….we were 1A majority of his years…times were diff then but we still back in those days developed enough depth to have players maybe going 1 and half-by that I mean playing full time on one side and rotating out on other-of course was always a few exceptions once playoffs started but mostly even back then very few went both ways
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Post by Hvillefan on Dec 8, 2023 15:26:37 GMT -6
Oak Grove isn’t the only school who draws all of the football talent in their parish. As mentioned, Caldwell, Red River and others enjoy the same. It’s one thing to “have it” and another to capitalize on it. Also, let’s not overlook or discredit the fact that Oak Grove was a perennial contender prior to the consolidation. Does the enrollment advantage help? Absolutely. Is it the main catalyst to their success? Absolutely not. Their success of late is the result of having exceptional talent, excellent coaching and great community support. Hell, most of their best players parents are alumni. Since the merger, they’ve just reached another level that a traditional 1A and most 2A schools will likely never achieve. They reality is, they literally had twice as many players and twice the enrollment of Haynesville. The game was essentially the best of 1A vs the best of 2A, and the 2A team did exactly what you should do to a smaller school, dominate. It wasn’t just because of “numbers.” It was talent, coaching and execution. Haynesville has faced and beaten teams with greater numbers many times before. You can’t fault Oak Grove for dominating the division. That’s what they’re suppose to do. Any complaints, grievances, etc. should be directed at the LHSAA, not Oak Grove. My man your numbers are way off….OG dressed out 59 Haynesville 50??? We dressed 36 players majority of the season. We brought up a handful of 8th graders a few weeks back after their season was over. Gave us about 41 total players, but only 1 made an actual contribution. I think I counted a little over 60 for OG. Numbers definitely helps, but it wasn’t the deciding factor. OG was just flat out better than us. We did some good things and have nothing to be ashamed about. OG did to us what they’ve done to teams all year. Haynesville will reload like always and be one of the top teams in D4 next year.
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Post by hvilletornado on Dec 8, 2023 15:30:52 GMT -6
Oak Grove isn’t the only school who draws all of the football talent in their parish. As mentioned, Caldwell, Red River and others enjoy the same. It’s one thing to “have it” and another to capitalize on it. Also, let’s not overlook or discredit the fact that Oak Grove was a perennial contender prior to the consolidation. Does the enrollment advantage help? Absolutely. Is it the main catalyst to their success? Absolutely not. Their success of late is the result of having exceptional talent, excellent coaching and great community support. Hell, most of their best players parents are alumni. Since the merger, they’ve just reached another level that a traditional 1A and most 2A schools will likely never achieve. They reality is, they literally had twice as many players and twice the enrollment of Haynesville. The game was essentially the best of 1A vs the best of 2A, and the 2A team did exactly what you should do to a smaller school, dominate. It wasn’t just because of “numbers.” It was talent, coaching and execution. Haynesville has faced and beaten teams with greater numbers many times before. You can’t fault Oak Grove for dominating the division. That’s what they’re suppose to do. Any complaints, grievances, etc. should be directed at the LHSAA, not Oak Grove. My man your numbers are way off….OG dressed out 59 Haynesville 50??? My mistake. I was told OG dressed 65 and Haynesville dressed 36. Anyhow, let’s say about 30’ish%. Lol. Enrollment may not be “double” either. But, to my point, it is significantly and/or drastically more. Again, not taking anything away from Oak Grove. Just stating the obvious and pointing out the ridiculousness of the LHSAA.
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Post by lhsaamemes on Dec 8, 2023 15:42:56 GMT -6
Pretty simple, I forget the actual %, but schools are put into select if a certain % of their enrollment comes from outside their zone (I know there are other situations, like open enrollment, ASH, etc). Paperwork is already being done on these kids, if that percentage is met for kids who are not in your district, but play football at Oak Grove for example, put em' in select. The raw talent and dominance of Oak Grove the last 5 years, I don't think that is just the "it is a well run program" idea. You ever been to Oak Grove? You ever been to West Carroll Parish? The casual traveler would drive up Hwy 17 from Epps to Kilbourne, or come in on Hwy 2 from Bastrop into Oak Grove, and think that they had been time warped into the 1970's. 90% of the parish is farmland, water and trees. It takes 30 seconds to drive through Epps, 15 seconds to drive through Forest and Kilbourne and 5 seconds to drive through Pioneer and Darnell. If you want to take the scenic route, you can hit Goodwill. That'll take 10 seconds. Or you can head west and go to Fiske Union....good ol' "F U"....and visit the Beouf River. You could literally drive through all 7 of those small towns and not see 20 people, total. You could pass through Oak Grove on Hwy 17 headed to Kilbourne, and if you hit the red light just right, you will pass right through downtown and see a handful of cars and maybe 10 people. Hell, on a good day, you could drive right down Main Street Oak Grove and head down to the Sonic at the other end of town, and unless it's lunch time, you won't see 20 people then either. There is very little in West Carroll. There is very little in Oak Grove. There is practically nothing in any of those other towns and villages. Except the people. Scattered all out in the country and down little side roads. Yet Oak Grove turns out great football, baseball and softball. Occasionally they'll make a run in boys or girls basketball. Kilbourne has long been a strong boys basketball program. Occasionally they are good at track. Epps was a long time track and basketball dynamo. As recently as the last 12 years, Forest won three state titles in baseball and one in softball. Unfortunately, due to very little tax base from anything other than Wal-Mart and a few restaurants, Kilbourne and Epps are closed. Fiske Union and Goodwill schools are closed. Pioneer was closed 35 years ago. People up there farm and pipeline for the most part. A few work in town here and there at a few businesses, but the majority of West Carroll and Oak Grove people don't live "in town". Teachers and coaches at Oak Grove are among the lowest paid in the state. You can look that up. What they DO HAVE though is a lot of tradition, loyalty to their schools and programs, and a whole lot of expectations that get passed down to their kids and grandkids. I would argue that Haynesville is much the same way. People in Oak Grove work off for months at a time on pipelines, or work amazingly long hours farming so that their family can remain in West Carroll and their kids can go to school there. By the way, Oak Grove is an "A" school when it comes to school performance scores. There aren't a lot of rich folks in Oak Grove or West Carroll. But that is where they want to be, so they make their life as good as they can, and that includes having outstanding students and having outstanding sports programs. They will spend their last dime to give their kids the opportunity to be a part of something succesful and special, but at the same time, they understand that there are demands and expectations placed on their kids that have to be met at school and on the playing fields. Before you continue to make a fool of yourself and talk about things that you don't understand, take a drive up to West Carroll Parish and spend the day driving around. Stop and visit with some people. Go by the school and visit with some coaches. Attend an Oak Grove game of any sport. You will see what I'm talking about. I haven't lived there in nearly 35 years, and neither have most of my old friends from home, but some things never change. The folks who have chosen to stay , and the ones who have come there and made Oak Grove and West Carroll their home, have chosen to be exceptional, academically and athletically, in spite of their lack of resources. I think I speak for a lot of people who read on here and some who post on here when I say instead of bashing Oak Grove for their success and looking for a "reason" for it, why don't you give them credit for building something amazing, in a parish with the 59th smallest population in the state out of 64 parishes and virtually no resources beyond agriculture, logging and hunting and fishing.
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Post by lhsaamemes on Dec 8, 2023 15:53:45 GMT -6
My man your numbers are way off….OG dressed out 59 Haynesville 50??? And the enrollment numbers prior to consolidation-which we gained nothing football-wise was around 50 students
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Post by OG93LB on Dec 8, 2023 16:08:13 GMT -6
My man your numbers are way off….OG dressed out 59 Haynesville 50??? My mistake. I was told OG dressed 65 and Haynesville dressed 36. Anyhow, let’s say about 30’ish%. Lol. Enrollment may not be “double” either. But, to my point, it is significantly and/or drastically more. Again, not taking anything away from Oak Grove. Just stating the obvious and pointing out the ridiculousness of the LHSAA. I get what you mean-definitely have respect for Haynesville and y’all’s their program-what they have accomplished in their history speaks for itself but gets aggravating that the numbers deal seems to diminish what OG has been able to accomplish the last few years-as far as the numbers deal goes-I was told by OG head coach the official numbers I mentioned that actually dressed out…maybe he was mistaken but 35 way off from 50 lol….
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