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Post by Southplaq on Mar 15, 2024 10:59:51 GMT -6
I tend to believe that the real truth is in the middle. I doubt it's 12 kids, but you don't suspend a coach for an entire season over a freshman who "didn't really play". After the ruling comes out… The truth can be told, and ppl will really be surprised and not so surprised about what happened I hope OHS wins
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Mar 15, 2024 11:01:42 GMT -6
After the ruling comes out… The truth can be told, and ppl will really be surprised and not so surprised about what happened I hope OHS wins They lost the appeal. Title is forfeited. Article I read on it said that Coach Zachery was “on probation” now whereas previous articles said he was suspended for a year. I’m not sure which is correct at this point.
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Post by robhill11 on Mar 15, 2024 14:06:43 GMT -6
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Post by jdawg on Mar 18, 2024 6:11:47 GMT -6
It's really easy to get in front of a camera and tell your story knowing that the LHSAA's policy is to not make findings public. I stand by what I said. You don't strip a title and put a coach on probation/suspension for a freshman that played ~7min the entire season. That's less than 1% of the snaps all season. There were more things that came up in the investigation than just that.
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Post by indy on Mar 18, 2024 6:58:04 GMT -6
It's really easy to get in front of a camera and tell your story knowing that the LHSAA's policy is to not make findings public. I stand by what I said. You don't strip a title and put a coach on probation/suspension for a freshman that played ~7min the entire season. That's less than 1% of the snaps all season. There were more things that came up in the investigation than just that. If that is the case the coach should have self reported the infraction when it happened. Trying to hide it and cover it up is an act of guilt. Hopefully all the young men on the team learned a life lesson, which is one of the main reasons for high school football.
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Post by lhsaamemes on Mar 18, 2024 8:03:15 GMT -6
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Post by bhossmac on Mar 18, 2024 8:10:57 GMT -6
It's really easy to get in front of a camera and tell your story knowing that the LHSAA's policy is to not make findings public. I stand by what I said. You don't strip a title and put a coach on probation/suspension for a freshman that played ~7min the entire season. That's less than 1% of the snaps all season. There were more things that came up in the investigation than just that. FWIW, I know someone with intimate knowledge of the Opelousas situation and the EC's decision, and I was told that this was something that could have happened at any number of schools and not some widespread cheating scandal. I'm really curious based on what I was told why Jimmy Zachery was suspended for a year and expect that ruling to be overturned.
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Post by lhsaamemes on Mar 19, 2024 8:04:32 GMT -6
It's really easy to get in front of a camera and tell your story knowing that the LHSAA's policy is to not make findings public. I stand by what I said. You don't strip a title and put a coach on probation/suspension for a freshman that played ~7min the entire season. That's less than 1% of the snaps all season. There were more things that came up in the investigation than just that. FWIW, I know someone with intimate knowledge of the Opelousas situation and the EC's decision, and I was told that this was something that could have happened at any number of schools and not some widespread cheating scandal. I'm really curious based on what I was told why Jimmy Zachery was suspended for a year and expect that ruling to be overturned. Attachments:
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Post by Southplaq on Mar 22, 2024 4:27:44 GMT -6
SOUNDS LIKE A BUNCH OF BITTER PEOPLE WHO CAN'T ACCEPT GETTING BEAT ON THE FIELD. I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND HOW A PLAYER, WHO DIDN'T CONTRIBUTE TO A WIN OR WASN'T INSTRUEMNTAL IN THE OUTCOME OF A GAME, CAN CAUSE SAID GAME TO BE FORFEITED. IF A TEAM IS UP 42-0 WITH A MINUTE LEFT AND THE KID IS PUT IN THE GAME, HOW DID HE AFFECT THE OUTCOME? THE LHSAA NEEDS TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT WHEN A GAME SHOULD BE RULED AS A FORFEIT BASED ON THE IMPACT THE PLAYER HAD ON THE GAME.
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Post by Southplaq on Mar 22, 2024 4:29:21 GMT -6
FWIW, I know someone with intimate knowledge of the Opelousas situation and the EC's decision, and I was told that this was something that could have happened at any number of schools and not some widespread cheating scandal. I'm really curious based on what I was told why Jimmy Zachery was suspended for a year and expect that ruling to be overturned. That didn't affect the outcome of the games. smdh
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Post by robhill11 on Mar 22, 2024 5:56:32 GMT -6
SOUNDS LIKE A BUNCH OF BITTER PEOPLE WHO CAN'T ACCEPT GETTING BEAT ON THE FIELD. I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND HOW A PLAYER, WHO DIDN'T CONTRIBUTE TO A WIN OR WASN'T INSTRUEMNTAL IN THE OUTCOME OF A GAME, CAN CAUSE SAID GAME TO BE FORFEITED. IF A TEAM IS UP 42-0 WITH A MINUTE LEFT AND THE KID IS PUT IN THE GAME, HOW DID HE AFFECT THE OUTCOME? THE LHSAA NEEDS TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT WHEN A GAME SHOULD BE RULED AS A FORFEIT BASED ON THE IMPACT THE PLAYER HAD ON THE GAME. And he didn’t play in any of the playoff games… It’s really crazy and unfortunate…
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Post by obc on Mar 22, 2024 6:44:11 GMT -6
SOUNDS LIKE A BUNCH OF BITTER PEOPLE WHO CAN'T ACCEPT GETTING BEAT ON THE FIELD. I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND HOW A PLAYER, WHO DIDN'T CONTRIBUTE TO A WIN OR WASN'T INSTRUEMNTAL IN THE OUTCOME OF A GAME, CAN CAUSE SAID GAME TO BE FORFEITED. IF A TEAM IS UP 42-0 WITH A MINUTE LEFT AND THE KID IS PUT IN THE GAME, HOW DID HE AFFECT THE OUTCOME? THE LHSAA NEEDS TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT WHEN A GAME SHOULD BE RULED AS A FORFEIT BASED ON THE IMPACT THE PLAYER HAD ON THE GAME. And he didn’t play in any of the playoff games… It’s really crazy and unfortunate… Then why have rules?
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Post by robhill11 on Mar 22, 2024 7:10:25 GMT -6
And he didn’t play in any of the playoff games… It’s really crazy and unfortunate… Then why have rules? It’s not that we thought we were breaking any rules… The kid was literally an incoming freshman and him and his mother moved to Opelousas in June, he enrolled at school… He was a member of the team and school… He'd catch the school bus every morning from the address on file to get to school… Coaches dropped him off and his mom would be there… This is the thing, we wouldn’t have knowingly risk such an important season on breaking any rule, we didn’t have to, the core of this team has been here and playing since they were 5 years old… The thing is, what is anyone really supposed to do? Regardless, I believe that this situation has probably happened before and got swept under the rug, but at the end of the day, we don’t have a powerhouse history… Our boys will be back better than ever next year…
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Post by Southplaq on Mar 22, 2024 7:30:41 GMT -6
And he didn’t play in any of the playoff games… It’s really crazy and unfortunate… Then why have rules? Rules need to be based in LOGIC! When they aren't based in logic, then your question is a valid one. And if the rule isn't based in logic, then it doesn't need to be a rule. If a freshman kid played in a game for the last 30 seconds of that game, when his team was winning 60-0, the question that should be asked is "Did his participation in the game effect the outcome of the game?" In other words, did putting this kid in any game during this season help Opelousas win that game? If the answer is a definitive "No", then making the team forfeit said game has no merit, especially when the school felt that the player was eligible. What coach is going to purposely put a non-contributing player in the game for a few seconds at the end of a game, knowing that the player is ineligible, and he would possibility have to forfeit a win that was already in the bag, by the time the player came into the game? That makes zero sense. At some point the LHSAA has to start using common sense and critical thinking when establishing and enforcing rules that force a team to forfeit a game in which the player's participation had no effect on the score of the game. I didn't hear about Celica complaining after they beat Opelousas during the season. They knew of this, and if they had won the state championship game, I guarantee this would have never come up.
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Post by lhsaamemes on Mar 22, 2024 9:04:51 GMT -6
Rules need to be based in LOGIC! When they aren't based in logic, then your question is a valid one. And if the rule isn't based in logic, then it doesn't need to be a rule. If a freshman kid played in a game for the last 30 seconds of that game, when his team was winning 60-0, the question that should be asked is "Did his participation in the game effect the outcome of the game?" In other words, did putting this kid in any game during this season help Opelousas win that game? If the answer is a definitive "No", then making the team forfeit said game has no merit, especially when the school felt that the player was eligible. What coach is going to purposely put a non-contributing player in the game for a few seconds at the end of a game, knowing that the player is ineligible, and he would possibility have to forfeit a win that was already in the bag, by the time the player came into the game? That makes zero sense. At some point the LHSAA has to start using common sense and critical thinking when establishing and enforcing rules that force a team to forfeit a game in which the player's participation had no effect on the score of the game. I didn't hear about Celica complaining after they beat Opelousas during the season. They knew of this, and if they had won the state championship game, I guarantee this would have never come up. Attachments:
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Post by indy on Mar 22, 2024 11:07:43 GMT -6
There is a lot more to the forfeits than one ineligible part time player.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 22, 2024 11:30:21 GMT -6
Rules need to be based in LOGIC! When they aren't based in logic, then your question is a valid one. And if the rule isn't based in logic, then it doesn't need to be a rule. If a freshman kid played in a game for the last 30 seconds of that game, when his team was winning 60-0, the question that should be asked is "Did his participation in the game effect the outcome of the game?" In other words, did putting this kid in any game during this season help Opelousas win that game? If the answer is a definitive "No", then making the team forfeit said game has no merit, especially when the school felt that the player was eligible. What coach is going to purposely put a non-contributing player in the game for a few seconds at the end of a game, knowing that the player is ineligible, and he would possibility have to forfeit a win that was already in the bag, by the time the player came into the game? That makes zero sense. At some point the LHSAA has to start using common sense and critical thinking when establishing and enforcing rules that force a team to forfeit a game in which the player's participation had no effect on the score of the game. I didn't hear about Celica complaining after they beat Opelousas during the season. They knew of this, and if they had won the state championship game, I guarantee this would have never come up. Is it not spelled out in every LHSAA rule, “ONE INELIGIBLE PLAYER MAY DISQUALIFY YOUR ENTIRE TEAM” You can’t just “feel” your kid is eligible. You have to know If there’s any question, hold him or her out
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Post by jdawg on Mar 22, 2024 12:04:32 GMT -6
There is a lot more to the forfeits than one ineligible part time player. Thank you! OHS is telling this sob story to the media to get people to side with him. There is a reason the LHSAA didn't overturn the ruling, and it has to do with more than just a freshman that played 7 minutes all season. It would be utterly hilarious if the LHSAA came out and make everyone aware of exactly what was found. There wouldn't be as many people feeling sorry for OHS at that point.
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Post by lhsaamemes on Mar 22, 2024 12:09:20 GMT -6
There is a lot more to the forfeits than one ineligible part time player. Thank you! OHS is telling this sob story to the media to get people to side with him. There is a reason the LHSAA didn't overturn the ruling, and it has to do with more than just a freshman that played 7 minutes all season. It would be utterly hilarious if the LHSAA came out and make everyone aware of exactly what was found. There wouldn't be as many people feeling sorry for OHS at that point. Attachments:
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Post by lhsaamemes on Mar 22, 2024 12:10:26 GMT -6
Rules need to be based in LOGIC! When they aren't based in logic, then your question is a valid one. And if the rule isn't based in logic, then it doesn't need to be a rule. If a freshman kid played in a game for the last 30 seconds of that game, when his team was winning 60-0, the question that should be asked is "Did his participation in the game effect the outcome of the game?" In other words, did putting this kid in any game during this season help Opelousas win that game? If the answer is a definitive "No", then making the team forfeit said game has no merit, especially when the school felt that the player was eligible. What coach is going to purposely put a non-contributing player in the game for a few seconds at the end of a game, knowing that the player is ineligible, and he would possibility have to forfeit a win that was already in the bag, by the time the player came into the game? That makes zero sense. At some point the LHSAA has to start using common sense and critical thinking when establishing and enforcing rules that force a team to forfeit a game in which the player's participation had no effect on the score of the game. I didn't hear about Celica complaining after they beat Opelousas during the season. They knew of this, and if they had won the state championship game, I guarantee this would have never come up. Is it not spelled out in every LHSAA rule, “ONE INELIGIBLE PLAYER MAY DISQUALIFY YOUR ENTIRE TEAM” You can’t just “feel” your kid is eligible. You have to know If there’s any question, hold him or her out Attachments:
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Post by walkingturtles on Mar 23, 2024 8:29:47 GMT -6
Is it not spelled out in every LHSAA rule, “ONE INELIGIBLE PLAYER MAY DISQUALIFY YOUR ENTIRE TEAM” You can’t just “feel” your kid is eligible. You have to know If there’s any question, hold him or her out I would contribute money for Opelousas to put up a giant billboard at their stadium. DIV II Non-Select 2023 State Champions!!!! Like huge, bigger than the intimidator at LSU.
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Post by rookie1 on Mar 23, 2024 8:34:22 GMT -6
No matter how you look at it Opelousas is state champions. You can sit here and say this and that but they won in the dome nothing else matters. Cecilia is a bunch of cry babies and if they would have won wouldn’t have said anything. Congrats Opelousas on your state championship!
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Post by indy on Mar 23, 2024 9:53:54 GMT -6
No matter how you look at it Opelousas is state champions. You can sit here and say this and that but they won in the dome nothing else matters. Cecilia is a bunch of cry babies and if they would have won wouldn’t have said anything. Congrats Opelousas on your state championship! Of course. That will send the correct message to all the other schools to step up their cheating game if they want to win. Makes perfect sense.
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Post by rookie1 on Mar 23, 2024 13:01:32 GMT -6
Playing a freshman for a few minutes in a blowout game that has no meaning isn’t cheating
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Post by Southplaq on Mar 23, 2024 13:12:09 GMT -6
There is a lot more to the forfeits than one ineligible part time player. Thank you! OHS is telling this sob story to the media to get people to side with him. There is a reason the LHSAA didn't overturn the ruling, and it has to do with more than just a freshman that played 7 minutes all season. It would be utterly hilarious if the LHSAA came out and make everyone aware of exactly what was found. There wouldn't be as many people feeling sorry for OHS at that point. Well, if you know the truth, say it. All of us would like to know.
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Post by robhill11 on Mar 23, 2024 14:31:15 GMT -6
Thank you! OHS is telling this sob story to the media to get people to side with him. There is a reason the LHSAA didn't overturn the ruling, and it has to do with more than just a freshman that played 7 minutes all season. It would be utterly hilarious if the LHSAA came out and make everyone aware of exactly what was found. There wouldn't be as many people feeling sorry for OHS at that point. Well, if you know the truth, say it. All of us would like to know. I can assure you he has nothing to say, because this is literally the only thing… I’d love to see him spill the news that would make it utterly hilarious…
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Post by indy on Mar 23, 2024 18:10:21 GMT -6
Thank you! OHS is telling this sob story to the media to get people to side with him. There is a reason the LHSAA didn't overturn the ruling, and it has to do with more than just a freshman that played 7 minutes all season. It would be utterly hilarious if the LHSAA came out and make everyone aware of exactly what was found. There wouldn't be as many people feeling sorry for OHS at that point. Well, if you know the truth, say it. All of us would like to know. As I understand it, the LHSAA doesn’t release info regarding players because of them being minors, that’s understandable. But what I hear is that they have confirmed text messages from coaches to potential out of zone recruits. We are in an era whereas everyone wants to interpret rules to fit their own M.O.
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Post by robhill11 on Mar 24, 2024 5:28:55 GMT -6
Well, if you know the truth, say it. All of us would like to know. As I understand it, the LHSAA doesn’t release info regarding players because of them being minors, that’s understandable. But what I hear is that they have confirmed text messages from coaches to potential out of zone recruits. We are in an era whereas everyone wants to interpret rules to fit their own M.O. Right, because parents are just lining up on a waiting list to send their kids to Opelousas High… At this point, there’s an understanding of the forfeited championship… But the narrative of ALL of the things is the ludicrous part… If anyone looks at the roster of this team for over the last three years, with graduating seniors and incoming freshmen( there’s two bonafide transfers), the majority of this team has been starting since their freshman year… This is a team built on buying into a new coach and finally buying into a strength and conditioning program… It matters on paper, but in reality our boys went on the road in the playoffs and beat the defending state champs, runner ups and a semi finalist en route to a state championship… And when all the smoke clears and the dust settles, we’re looking to do it all over again…
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Post by walkingturtles on Mar 24, 2024 17:38:44 GMT -6
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Post by Southplaq on Mar 25, 2024 15:14:53 GMT -6
Well, if you know the truth, say it. All of us would like to know. As I understand it, the LHSAA doesn’t release info regarding players because of them being minors, that’s understandable. But what I hear is that they have confirmed text messages from coaches to potential out of zone recruits. We are in an era whereas everyone wants to interpret rules to fit their own M.O. If that is the case, then the ruling should be upheld, but I hear of lots of cases where the team has to forfeit because of some non-contributing player who played minimal downs. That I can't agree with. Thanks for the info, indy
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