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Nov 3, 2016 10:45:39 GMT -6
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Post by oldcowboy on Nov 3, 2016 10:45:39 GMT -6
If and when the playoff structure is reformatted for the non-select schools, and possibly classes reduced from 5 to 4, what will the select group have to whine about any longer?
Oh, i feel sure, someone's mom on here will cry about something.....just wondering what?
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Post by pinion on Nov 3, 2016 10:56:07 GMT -6
I wasn't going to respond due to your being such a smart butt. But then I changed my mind. I'll engage, because you don't have it in you to shoot down what the problems actually are as they're above your level of critical thinking.
So, moving right along. The Select division are not moving from 5 to 4, nor should they. As long as public schools have 5 classes, the select side will as well. Doing anything other would just further demonstrate how the private schools are being ostracized. Besides, the point of all this is supposed to be to keep thing "fair", well fair is fair. If we're going to be handing out more trophies, and we are, then it needs to stay even on both sides. Besides, if you took DivI in a 4 division situation, that basically makes then 4A (since only 4 divisions), that means teams that play DivI teams would get power points from playing a 4A, not 5A, team. So public schools that happen to have a private school in their district will lose power points by having to play them. While there are only a few districts lucky enough to have a private school in them, this idea could possibly be forced through. But then, you put all the schools in that district again things that you want to get done. If you force them to take a hit on power points, the next time you want something, they may just remember that and vote against you.
That's also assuming that private schools even stick around. I still think they'll end up ditching the LHSAA. I just think they're going to wait until the very worst possible moment to do so.
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Post by iknownuthing on Nov 3, 2016 12:35:23 GMT -6
If and when the playoff structure is reformatted for the non-select schools, and possibly classes reduced from 5 to 4, what will the select group have to whine about any longer? Oh, i feel sure, someone's mom on here will cry about something.....just wondering what? This post shows a total lack of understanding the goal and mission of the LHSAA. They are Chartered to do what is right for the student athlete, yet they have done the exact opposite for a whole class of member students in good standing, it is discrimination at its ugliest. By definition, it makes those in support of the split elitist and biased.
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Post by eag on Nov 3, 2016 12:54:28 GMT -6
If and when the playoff structure is reformatted for the non-select schools, and possibly classes reduced from 5 to 4, what will the select group have to whine about any longer? Oh, i feel sure, someone's mom on here will cry about something.....just wondering what? What is it that you think the 'whining' is about? Sure, there is a lot of talk about the stupidity of having 9 trophies, but that isn't the actual issue with the split.
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Post by CrusadingLions on Nov 3, 2016 13:52:45 GMT -6
The number of divisions is really such a small issue in this that it isn't really worth talking about.
There are a multiple issues select schools have. I can't begin to process all of them or speak about all with proper understanding so I'll touch on a few that I have at least a little knowledge on.
1. Voting Rights. (really the most important topic) Right now non-select principals can vote on select school matters. With a split association this is not fair to the select schools. The select schools are the minority and as such are at the whim of the non-select principals. Without some control, the select schools have very little say in the structure for select schools.
Since there is a split, it only makes sense for select schools, and only select schools to vote on the structure of playoffs and regular season. If the association is split then this has zero effect on non-select schools, as such they should not be able to dictate terms that non-select must abide by.
2. Districts. Why should select schools be forced to play non-select schools in district play only to separate before playoffs. IF the association is split, then split. Let non-select schools determine scheduling criteria for playoff eligibility. This really goes both ways as it makes no sense for non-select schools to be forced to play non-select schools.
3. Equal Voice. Select schools have no chance. They are behind the 8-ball on every vote due to being in the minority. This really goes with issue 1. Select schools are always going to be outnumbered, thus putting them at the mercy of the non-select schools, many of which are quite biased against select schools. To ensure equality select schools need to have an equal voice in issues that effect everyone.
4. Non-football playing schools should not be able to vote on issues related just to football. A class C school that does not offer football should not be able to vote on whether the football playoffs are split or not.
5. Loss of Revenue. Select schools went from having a potential of 4 home playoff games (which can be a large profit) to having the possibility of having a maximum of 2 games (depending on the division). This has led to a severe loss of revenue for some schools. This was something forced upon select schools. Select schools were also forced out of traditional Prep classic times, which also hurt. Forcing select schools to play title games at 10 am on a weekday is simply unfair, especially when non-select schools were not forced to make such concessions.
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Post by iknownuthing on Nov 4, 2016 7:07:05 GMT -6
The number of divisions is really such a small issue in this that it isn't really worth talking about. There are a multiple issues select schools have. I can't begin to process all of them or speak about all with proper understanding so I'll touch on a few that I have at least a little knowledge on. 1. Voting Rights. (really the most important topic) Right now non-select principals can vote on select school matters. With a split association this is not fair to the select schools. The select schools are the minority and as such are at the whim of the non-select principals. Without some control, the select schools have very little say in the structure for select schools. Since there is a split, it only makes sense for select schools, and only select schools to vote on the structure of playoffs and regular season. If the association is split then this has zero effect on non-select schools, as such they should not be able to dictate terms that non-select must abide by. 2. Districts. Why should select schools be forced to play non-select schools in district play only to separate before playoffs. IF the association is split, then split. Let non-select schools determine scheduling criteria for playoff eligibility. This really goes both ways as it makes no sense for non-select schools to be forced to play non-select schools. 3. Equal Voice. Select schools have no chance. They are behind the 8-ball on every vote due to being in the minority. This really goes with issue 1. Select schools are always going to be outnumbered, thus putting them at the mercy of the non-select schools, many of which are quite biased against select schools. To ensure equality select schools need to have an equal voice in issues that effect everyone. 4. Non-football playing schools should not be able to vote on issues related just to football. A class C school that does not offer football should not be able to vote on whether the football playoffs are split or not. 5. Loss of Revenue. Select schools went from having a potential of 4 home playoff games (which can be a large profit) to having the possibility of having a maximum of 2 games (depending on the division). This has led to a severe loss of revenue for some schools. This was something forced upon select schools. Select schools were also forced out of traditional Prep classic times, which also hurt. Forcing select schools to play title games at 10 am on a weekday is simply unfair, especially when non-select schools were not forced to make such concessions. #1 Never happen, they will never give up control. #2 Never happen, you would have to completely re-write the bylaws on formation and classification, they will do away with all districts before this happens. #3 That is exactly how they want it. This is not about fair play it is and has always been about punishing successful private school, a built in hatred and prejudice by public school principals. It is the Scapegoat syndrome. #4 This has the best chance of a change because there are more football playing schools than non football playing schools. #5 See #3.
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Nov 4, 2016 9:18:14 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 9:18:14 GMT -6
I like the varsity and JV championships lol
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