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Post by btown on Feb 7, 2017 9:09:52 GMT -6
Any comment on the Advocate article that Bonine applied for job in Florida? Who would take his place? Would they look for someone from Louisiana or out of state?
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Post by pinion on Feb 8, 2017 12:34:27 GMT -6
Why even pay the position? Just have the executive committee and let them handle it.
As I see it, they can bring in someone that's more split leaning and that will further divide a splintering organization. Or they can bring in someone who's not more split leaning and the public school folk are going to spend all their time trying to undermine him/her.
I agree with the writer from the Advocate (I think it was) about this. If Bonine is as bad as people here would have you believe, it's insane that an organization like the one in Florida would even want to talk to him. i think he's made some mistakes, but I also know that sometimes when you're backed into a corner, you'll do a lot of things you may not otherwise do. It is indeed a dumpster fire here, but it's not his doing. He just couldn't get anywhere on fixing it and when he tried, he was shot down. Heck, he was shot down, in some regards, before he ever got here. He wasn't even here yet and people were already trash talking him.
I hope he gets the job and does well in Florida.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 12:58:28 GMT -6
Why even pay the position? Just have the executive committee and let them handle it. As I see it, they can bring in someone that's more split leaning and that will further divide a splintering organization. Or they can bring in someone who's not more split leaning and the public school folk are going to spend all their time trying to undermine him/her. I agree with the writer from the Advocate (I think it was) about this. If Bonine is as bad as people here would have you believe, it's insane that an organization like the one in Florida would even want to talk to him. i think he's made some mistakes, but I also know that sometimes when you're backed into a corner, you'll do a lot of things you may not otherwise do. It is indeed a dumpster fire here, but it's not his doing. He just couldn't get anywhere on fixing it and when he tried, he was shot down. Heck, he was shot down, in some regards, before he ever got here. He wasn't even here yet and people were already trash talking him. I hope he gets the job and does well in Florida. Honestly, It's probably time to quit worrying about the split. With the 2/3 rule in place for the constitution it's never going away. Time to worry about making what we have the best it can possibly be. There has to be someone in place to run the day to day operations of the organization. The Executive Committee meets about 4-6 times a year. The rest of the time the E.D. runs the day to day operations. It's not realistic to do away with the position. That persons job is not to be "pro" anything, or or "against" anything. It's to do what the EC and principals direct him to do.
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Post by indy on Feb 8, 2017 13:32:42 GMT -6
Why even pay the position? Just have the executive committee and let them handle it. As I see it, they can bring in someone that's more split leaning and that will further divide a splintering organization. Or they can bring in someone who's not more split leaning and the public school folk are going to spend all their time trying to undermine him/her. I agree with the writer from the Advocate (I think it was) about this. If Bonine is as bad as people here would have you believe, it's insane that an organization like the one in Florida would even want to talk to him. i think he's made some mistakes, but I also know that sometimes when you're backed into a corner, you'll do a lot of things you may not otherwise do. It is indeed a dumpster fire here, but it's not his doing. He just couldn't get anywhere on fixing it and when he tried, he was shot down. Heck, he was shot down, in some regards, before he ever got here. He wasn't even here yet and people were already trash talking him. I hope he gets the job and does well in Florida. Honestly, It's probably time to quit worrying about the split. With the 2/3 rule in place for the constitution it's never going away. Time to worry about making what we have the best it can possibly be. There has to be someone in place to run the day to day operations of the organization. The Executive Committee meets about 4-6 times a year. The rest of the time the E.D. runs the day to day operations. It's not realistic to do away with the position. That persons job is not to be "pro" anything, or or "against" anything. It's to do what the EC and principals direct him to do. That's not how it's supposed to be at all. With the whining self serving principals crying and colluding that's what it has become. The ED is supposed to run the organization under the guidelines of the constitution with the morals of the organizations mission statement.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 13:39:10 GMT -6
Honestly, It's probably time to quit worrying about the split. With the 2/3 rule in place for the constitution it's never going away. Time to worry about making what we have the best it can possibly be. There has to be someone in place to run the day to day operations of the organization. The Executive Committee meets about 4-6 times a year. The rest of the time the E.D. runs the day to day operations. It's not realistic to do away with the position. That persons job is not to be "pro" anything, or or "against" anything. It's to do what the EC and principals direct him to do. That's not how it's supposed to be at all. With the whining self serving principals crying and colluding that's what it has become. The ED is supposed to run the organization under the guidelines of the constitution with the morals of the organizations mission statement. Indy, for as long as I've been around that's exactly how it's supposed to be. ED takes his marching orders from the principals. There has never been any doubt that this is a principals organization. Some may not like it. Some may start a new organization run by a single man. But that will never be what the LHSAA is.
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Post by pinion on Feb 9, 2017 12:35:46 GMT -6
Why even pay the position? Just have the executive committee and let them handle it. As I see it, they can bring in someone that's more split leaning and that will further divide a splintering organization. Or they can bring in someone who's not more split leaning and the public school folk are going to spend all their time trying to undermine him/her. I agree with the writer from the Advocate (I think it was) about this. If Bonine is as bad as people here would have you believe, it's insane that an organization like the one in Florida would even want to talk to him. i think he's made some mistakes, but I also know that sometimes when you're backed into a corner, you'll do a lot of things you may not otherwise do. It is indeed a dumpster fire here, but it's not his doing. He just couldn't get anywhere on fixing it and when he tried, he was shot down. Heck, he was shot down, in some regards, before he ever got here. He wasn't even here yet and people were already trash talking him. I hope he gets the job and does well in Florida. Honestly, It's probably time to quit worrying about the split. With the 2/3 rule in place for the constitution it's never going away. Time to worry about making what we have the best it can possibly be. There has to be someone in place to run the day to day operations of the organization. The Executive Committee meets about 4-6 times a year. The rest of the time the E.D. runs the day to day operations. It's not realistic to do away with the position. That persons job is not to be "pro" anything, or or "against" anything. It's to do what the EC and principals direct him to do. I'm not worried about the split. It is what it is and it's not going anywhere. And certainly not with a 2/3 vote on things. I'm also not worried about making what we have the best it can possibly be. The public schools have determined that they don't care at all about what anyone related to a private school want. It's a dumpster fire and it will continue to be. But don't expect anyone that hates the split to just stop talking about it. I had to hear about how unfair it was for private schools to play against public schools for the better part of 20 years. No matter how many times I said "it's not unfair and you should probably just move on", I still had to hear about it. I think this will be the same. The pro splits are going to continue hearing about it until a reasonable solution is worked out. if the position is to do what the EC and principals want, then why were folks against him from the start? If he only is the "enforcer", then why are people so angry at him? The LHSAA will be hard pressed to replace with anyone that would be considered "a great hire" knowing that he'll just be thrown under the bus as soon as the majority starts whining about something.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 12:28:50 GMT -6
Honestly, It's probably time to quit worrying about the split. With the 2/3 rule in place for the constitution it's never going away. Time to worry about making what we have the best it can possibly be. There has to be someone in place to run the day to day operations of the organization. The Executive Committee meets about 4-6 times a year. The rest of the time the E.D. runs the day to day operations. It's not realistic to do away with the position. That persons job is not to be "pro" anything, or or "against" anything. It's to do what the EC and principals direct him to do. I'm not worried about the split. It is what it is and it's not going anywhere. And certainly not with a 2/3 vote on things. I'm also not worried about making what we have the best it can possibly be. The public schools have determined that they don't care at all about what anyone related to a private school want. It's a dumpster fire and it will continue to be. But don't expect anyone that hates the split to just stop talking about it. I had to hear about how unfair it was for private schools to play against public schools for the better part of 20 years. No matter how many times I said "it's not unfair and you should probably just move on", I still had to hear about it. I think this will be the same. The pro splits are going to continue hearing about it until a reasonable solution is worked out. if the position is to do what the EC and principals want, then why were folks against him from the start? If he only is the "enforcer", then why are people so angry at him? The LHSAA will be hard pressed to replace with anyone that would be considered "a great hire" knowing that he'll just be thrown under the bus as soon as the majority starts whining about something. People were not against him from the start, that's revisionist history. His first act was to ask everyone to put off the split of baseball and basketball for a year and let him come up with other ideas. Everyone obliged. In that year he did nothing, and then when it came time for action he came up with the idea to say it wasn't done the correctly the first time, so it was GONE. This is what turned everyone against him.
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Post by indy on Feb 10, 2017 13:11:31 GMT -6
I'm not worried about the split. It is what it is and it's not going anywhere. And certainly not with a 2/3 vote on things. I'm also not worried about making what we have the best it can possibly be. The public schools have determined that they don't care at all about what anyone related to a private school want. It's a dumpster fire and it will continue to be. But don't expect anyone that hates the split to just stop talking about it. I had to hear about how unfair it was for private schools to play against public schools for the better part of 20 years. No matter how many times I said "it's not unfair and you should probably just move on", I still had to hear about it. I think this will be the same. The pro splits are going to continue hearing about it until a reasonable solution is worked out. if the position is to do what the EC and principals want, then why were folks against him from the start? If he only is the "enforcer", then why are people so angry at him? The LHSAA will be hard pressed to replace with anyone that would be considered "a great hire" knowing that he'll just be thrown under the bus as soon as the majority starts whining about something. People were not against him from the start, that's revisionist history. His first act was to ask everyone to put off the split of baseball and basketball for a year and let him come up with other ideas. Everyone obliged. In that year he did nothing, and then when it came time for action he came up with the idea to say it wasn't done the correctly the first time, so it was GONE. This is what turned everyone against him. No,not at all, it is severe ( mentality syndrome)
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Post by Raven on Feb 10, 2017 13:33:19 GMT -6
People were not against him from the start, that's revisionist history. His first act was to ask everyone to put off the split of baseball and basketball for a year and let him come up with other ideas. Everyone obliged. In that year he did nothing, and then when it came time for action he came up with the idea to say it wasn't done the correctly the first time, so it was GONE. This is what turned everyone against him. I agree that this turned many of the principles against him who were initially more open to finding a solution other than the split. However, there were a few who were against him from the beginning simply because he had the thought that maybe there might be a way to possibly bring schools back together. These people wanted to stop that from happening at all costs. I also agree that he basically did nothing to help himself either. His "leadership" style if it can even be called that, of sitting around until someone presents him with a fix (rural/metro plan) and then tinkering with that plan to such an extent that it becomes basically useless is another big reason people turned against him. I think that will also be the reason he doesn't get the job in Florida. The LHSAA is stuck with him now until either his contract runs out or they find the funds to terminate it. No other association is going to touch him now unless he's got friends in high places.
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Post by pinion on Feb 14, 2017 11:22:48 GMT -6
I'm not worried about the split. It is what it is and it's not going anywhere. And certainly not with a 2/3 vote on things. I'm also not worried about making what we have the best it can possibly be. The public schools have determined that they don't care at all about what anyone related to a private school want. It's a dumpster fire and it will continue to be. But don't expect anyone that hates the split to just stop talking about it. I had to hear about how unfair it was for private schools to play against public schools for the better part of 20 years. No matter how many times I said "it's not unfair and you should probably just move on", I still had to hear about it. I think this will be the same. The pro splits are going to continue hearing about it until a reasonable solution is worked out. if the position is to do what the EC and principals want, then why were folks against him from the start? If he only is the "enforcer", then why are people so angry at him? The LHSAA will be hard pressed to replace with anyone that would be considered "a great hire" knowing that he'll just be thrown under the bus as soon as the majority starts whining about something. People were not against him from the start, that's revisionist history. His first act was to ask everyone to put off the split of baseball and basketball for a year and let him come up with other ideas. Everyone obliged. In that year he did nothing, and then when it came time for action he came up with the idea to say it wasn't done the correctly the first time, so it was GONE. This is what turned everyone against him. That's not revisionist history at all, don't be absurd. I really wish all the stuff from the old board had made it over here to the new site. People were on the board trash talking Bonine before he ever moved to the state. Somewhere, the idea came that he was against a split and wanted everyone playing together and that was it. There were people against him from the start, and that was way. I don't remember if it was from a question a reporter asked or if it was just pure speculation. But I clearly remember people on the board talking crap about him before he'd actually came here (he'd accepted the job but wasnt in state yet) and it was because he supposed to be against a split. As far as his asking people to put off a split in baseball and uselessball, it was probably because he was hoping that people would realize how stupid the idea was. Maybe he figured if people realized how they were being one sided about things that maybe they would want to actually come to a compromising table and actually help create a workable plan where everybody can be okay. Instead, he waited for people that refuse to compromise and they just piled on. so again, I hope he leaves and moves to where he can be productive. You wan't work with people that refuse to work, or even consider working on solutions. The difference between working for Florida and working for LHSAA is night and day. Their organization is not a dumpster fire, ours is. Him even being considered for the Florida position is an honor. Anyway. i think we all hope he leaves, just some of us for different reasons than others.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 11:29:11 GMT -6
People were not against him from the start, that's revisionist history. His first act was to ask everyone to put off the split of baseball and basketball for a year and let him come up with other ideas. Everyone obliged. In that year he did nothing, and then when it came time for action he came up with the idea to say it wasn't done the correctly the first time, so it was GONE. This is what turned everyone against him. That's not revisionist history at all, don't be absurd. I really wish all the stuff from the old board had made it over here to the new site. People were on the board trash talking Bonine before he ever moved to the state. Somewhere, the idea came that he was against a split and wanted everyone playing together and that was it. There were people against him from the start, and that was way. I don't remember if it was from a question a reporter asked or if it was just pure speculation. But I clearly remember people on the board talking crap about him before he'd actually came here (he'd accepted the job but wasnt in state yet) and it was because he supposed to be against a split. As far as his asking people to put off a split in baseball and uselessball, it was probably because he was hoping that people would realize how stupid the idea was. Maybe he figured if people realized how they were being one sided about things that maybe they would want to actually come to a compromising table and actually help create a workable plan where everybody can be okay. Instead, he waited for people that refuse to compromise and they just piled on. so again, I hope he leaves and moves to where he can be productive. You wan't work with people that refuse to work, or even consider working on solutions. The difference between working for Florida and working for LHSAA is night and day. Their organization is not a dumpster fire, ours is. Him even being considered for the Florida position is an honor. Anyway. i think we all hope he leaves, just some of us for different reasons than others. I have no problem with him now. He's done a solid job for the last 9 months.
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Post by bigred on Feb 17, 2017 9:05:08 GMT -6
As time rolls on, the more I hate the split. Not saying I was for it nor against it from the get go. I'm fine with lining up against anyone in front of us and playing. My biggest problem with this split is the lack of talent on both sides that are allowed in the playoffs. It's ridiculous as everyone has already noticed. The first 2 weeks of the playoffs is a complete joke. The matchups are horrendous. Hell, even before the split, for the most part the first round was a joke. What I'm starting to see though is the same people that was for the split(including coaches and a couple principles) are beginning to see the disaster it has made. Now, I won't say that I don't believe there are huge differences in some schools that have become factories, but that goes both ways. It isn't a one sided deal.I kind of liked the Oakley plan and thought it was way better than what we currently have. I think it will take a little time but soon everyone will grow tired of this piss poor system. It's going to take someone to come into the lhsaa with a plan already made on how to really fix this that will please EVERYONE. Until then, I guess all we can do is to keep playing with what's in front of us.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Feb 17, 2017 9:35:39 GMT -6
As time rolls on, the more I hate the split. Not saying I was for it nor against it from the get go. I'm fine with lining up against anyone in front of us and playing. My biggest problem with this split is the lack of talent on both sides that are allowed in the playoffs. It's ridiculous as everyone has already noticed. The first 2 weeks of the playoffs is a complete joke. The matchups are horrendous. Hell, even before the split, for the most part the first round was a joke. What I'm starting to see though is the same people that was for the split(including coaches and a couple principles) are beginning to see the disaster it has made. Now, I won't say that I don't believe there are huge differences in some schools that have become factories, but that goes both ways. It isn't a one sided deal.I kind of liked the Oakley plan and thought it was way better than what we currently have. I think it will take a little time but soon everyone will grow tired of this piss poor system. It's going to take someone to come into the lhsaa with a plan already made on how to really fix this that will please EVERYONE. Until then, I guess all we can do is to keep playing with what's in front of us. Don't think you can ever make everyone happy. I really liked the Indiana plan that was discussed on this board earlier but I don't think the public schools that are the new "factories" will ever allow this to pass. The only hope is the that the rest of the public schools get tired of the new "factories" and vote for some kind of success metric.
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Post by bigred on Feb 17, 2017 9:50:28 GMT -6
You're right, not everyone will be happy but what if we had a smooth talker get in there? Lol. I really think many public schools will grow tired of this. I had also liked the Indiana plan too.
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Post by indy on Feb 17, 2017 13:35:51 GMT -6
You're right, not everyone will be happy but what if we had a smooth talker get in there? Lol. I really think many public schools will grow tired of this. I had also liked the Indiana plan too. We need to look hard at the California plan, they deal with a bunch of fruit cakes and nuts too. Lol
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Post by bigred on Feb 17, 2017 13:39:35 GMT -6
You're right, not everyone will be happy but what if we had a smooth talker get in there? Lol. I really think many public schools will grow tired of this. I had also liked the Indiana plan too. We need to look hard at the California plan, they deal with a bunch of fruit cakes and nuts too. Lol All options are welcomed.lol
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