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Post by indy on Nov 26, 2017 16:44:37 GMT -6
Should Many play on the Select side like Scotlandville has too! Yes, and a bunch of other schools
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Post by kinder1981 on Nov 26, 2017 18:17:08 GMT -6
This Facebook post does raise some good points, but it really overlooked the fact that all non select schools play under the same set of rules. Unless the system is perfect, someone will always have an advantage in the system. Pro basesball doesn’t have a salary cap, which will always favor big market teams, but the rules are the same for everyone. The issue that drove the split was that there were two groups of teams that played under very different rules.
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Post by indy on Nov 26, 2017 18:21:43 GMT -6
This Facebook post does raise some good points, but it really overlooked the fact that all non select schools play under the same set of rules. Unless the system is perfect, someone will always have an advantage in the system. Pro basesball doesn’t have a salary cap, which will always favor big market teams, but the rules are the same for everyone. The issue that drove the split was that there were two groups of teams that played under very different rules. Yea, zones and no zones. Obviously most public have no zones anymore or follow them.
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Post by kinder1981 on Nov 26, 2017 18:26:57 GMT -6
This Facebook post does raise some good points, but it really overlooked the fact that all non select schools play under the same set of rules. Unless the system is perfect, someone will always have an advantage in the system. Pro basesball doesn’t have a salary cap, which will always favor big market teams, but the rules are the same for everyone. The issue that drove the split was that there were two groups of teams that played under very different rules. Yea, zones and no zones. Obviously most public have no zones anymore or follow them. Not true. Even if your zone is parish wide, it’s still a zone...btw, does this make you my poodle now?
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Post by zebra on Nov 26, 2017 18:27:12 GMT -6
This Facebook post does raise some good points, but it really overlooked the fact that all non select schools play under the same set of rules. Unless the system is perfect, someone will always have an advantage in the system. Pro basesball doesn’t have a salary cap, which will always favor big market teams, but the rules are the same for everyone. The issue that drove the split was that there were two groups of teams that played under very different rules. You fail to see the point I was trying to raise. It wasn't a select vs non select question it was a question that does Many has an advantage over other public schools that they play against? And if they do should they play in the select division?
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Post by kinder1981 on Nov 26, 2017 18:32:40 GMT -6
This Facebook post does raise some good points, but it really overlooked the fact that all non select schools play under the same set of rules. Unless the system is perfect, someone will always have an advantage in the system. Pro basesball doesn’t have a salary cap, which will always favor big market teams, but the rules are the same for everyone. The issue that drove the split was that there were two groups of teams that played under very different rules. You fail to see the point I was trying to raise. It wasn't a select vs non select question it was a question that does Many has an advantage over other public schools that they play against? And if they do should they play in the select division? I think you failed to see mine. While Many MAY have the biggest advantage in the current system, they still play under the same rules as everyone else. If Many is judged to have the biggest advantage today, who’s next? Vinton, Kinder, Dequincy? Then when does it stop? When there is no more split? Someone is always going to have the perceived “biggest” advantage, but as long as the rules are the same, it’s all arbitrary debate.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 18:38:15 GMT -6
So reading all of these post, with many’s advantage to get players from the entire parish. I guess they make it to the dome every year and have won the state championship every year since the split. Because if everything a few of you say is true then they should be unbeatable. Last time I read up on them, I thought the only time they won state was 2014. I must have read it wrong!
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Post by zebra on Nov 26, 2017 18:40:07 GMT -6
You fail to see the point I was trying to raise. It wasn't a select vs non select question it was a question that does Many has an advantage over other public schools that they play against? And if they do should they play in the select division? I think you failed to see mine. While Many MAY have the biggest advantage in the current system, they still play under the same rules as everyone else. If Many is judged to have the biggest advantage today, who’s next? Vinton, Kinder, Dequincy? Then when does it stop? When there is no more split? Someone is always going to have the perceived “biggest” advantage, but as long as the rules are the same, it’s all arbitrary debate. The select side wasn't brought up in my conversation I didn't want to beat that dead horse. I was focusing on non select only. But I guess we cant have a discussion on non select schools with out bringing up the select schools.
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Post by kinder1981 on Nov 26, 2017 18:45:51 GMT -6
I think you failed to see mine. While Many MAY have the biggest advantage in the current system, they still play under the same rules as everyone else. If Many is judged to have the biggest advantage today, who’s next? Vinton, Kinder, Dequincy? Then when does it stop? When there is no more split? Someone is always going to have the perceived “biggest” advantage, but as long as the rules are the same, it’s all arbitrary debate. The select side wasn't brought up in my conversation I didn't want to beat that dead horse. I was focusing on non select only. But I guess we cant have a discussion on non select schools with out bringing up the select schools. I’m not trying to make it a split debate either, I just don’t believe the non-select side should kick out the school that they arbitrarily deem the program who has “biggest” advantage. It’s a slippery slope that will just lead to the same broken system.
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Post by indy on Nov 26, 2017 18:50:03 GMT -6
You fail to see the point I was trying to raise. It wasn't a select vs non select question it was a question that does Many has an advantage over other public schools that they play against? And if they do should they play in the select division? I think you failed to see mine. While Many MAY have the biggest advantage in the current system, they still play under the same rules as everyone else. If Many is judged to have the biggest advantage today, who’s next? Vinton, Kinder, Dequincy? Then when does it stop? When there is no more split? Someone is always going to have the perceived “biggest” advantage, but as long as the rules are the same, it’s all arbitrary debate. Rules that were changed post split. Pre split it was all about zones, funny how zones don’t matter anymore. Hypocrites
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Post by zebra on Nov 26, 2017 18:50:57 GMT -6
The select side wasn't brought up in my conversation I didn't want to beat that dead horse. I was focusing on non select only. But I guess we cant have a discussion on non select schools with out bringing up the select schools. I’m not trying to make it a split debate either, I just don’t believe the non-select side should kick out the school that they arbitrarily deem the program who has “biggest” advantage. It’s a slippery slope that will just lead to the same broken system. But that's exactly what was done with Scotlandville and Byrd for the first few years. Look I don't have a problem with Many but I do think that they have the biggest advantage over any other 2A school. That was my only point.
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Post by kinder1981 on Nov 26, 2017 18:57:22 GMT -6
I think you failed to see mine. While Many MAY have the biggest advantage in the current system, they still play under the same rules as everyone else. If Many is judged to have the biggest advantage today, who’s next? Vinton, Kinder, Dequincy? Then when does it stop? When there is no more split? Someone is always going to have the perceived “biggest” advantage, but as long as the rules are the same, it’s all arbitrary debate. Rules that were changed post split. Pre split it was all about zones, funny how zones don’t matter anymore. Hypocrites Not true once again. But keep chirping poodle.
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Post by kinder1981 on Nov 26, 2017 19:00:47 GMT -6
I’m not trying to make it a split debate either, I just don’t believe the non-select side should kick out the school that they arbitrarily deem the program who has “biggest” advantage. It’s a slippery slope that will just lead to the same broken system. But that's exactly what was done with Scotlandville and Byrd for the first few years. Look I don't have a problem with Many but I do think that they have the biggest advantage over any other 2A school. That was my only point. I don’t know the specifics of the Scottlandville or Byrd situation, but if they were the same as Many, they shouldn’t have done it then and they shouldn’t do it now. Every school plays under the same rules, you can’t punish those who you feel benifit the most.
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Post by indy on Nov 26, 2017 19:04:39 GMT -6
Rules that were changed post split. Pre split it was all about zones, funny how zones don’t matter anymore. Hypocrites Not true once again. But keep chirping poodle. Look who is chirping. Then you tell me when zones became irrelevant with public schools.
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Post by zebra on Nov 26, 2017 19:07:36 GMT -6
But that's exactly what was done with Scotlandville and Byrd for the first few years. Look I don't have a problem with Many but I do think that they have the biggest advantage over any other 2A school. That was my only point. I don’t know the specifics of the Scottlandville or Byrd situation, but if they were the same as Many, they shouldn’t have done it then and they shouldn’t do it now. Every school plays under the same rules, you can’t punish those who you feel benifit the most. I understand that you and I will never see eye to eye on this issue but there is benefits and they are non select schools who feel wronged by the system when it comes to other non select schools. Moving on.......
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Post by kinder1981 on Nov 26, 2017 19:08:12 GMT -6
Not true once again. But keep chirping poodle. Look who is chirping. Then you tell me when zones became irrelevant with public schools. They didn’t. That’s why you’re a liar. If Welsh QB Zach Hates wanted to come to Kinder, he would have to move. When Jordan Cordova was going to attend Barbe, he moved. Attendence zones are relevant, contrary to the false narrative and lies you splatter across this forum.
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Post by kinder1981 on Nov 26, 2017 19:12:10 GMT -6
I don’t know the specifics of the Scottlandville or Byrd situation, but if they were the same as Many, they shouldn’t have done it then and they shouldn’t do it now. Every school plays under the same rules, you can’t punish those who you feel benifit the most. I understand that you and I will never see eye to eye on this issue but there is benefits and they are non select schools who feel wronged by the system when it comes to other non select schools. Moving on....... Not arguing with that. I’m sure some do feel wronged, the system is far from perfect, but I do not agree with kicking out those who benefit the most. Eventually, you run out out of fingers to point and end up right back at the old, broken system.
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Post by indy on Nov 26, 2017 19:14:23 GMT -6
Look who is chirping. Then you tell me when zones became irrelevant with public schools. They didn’t. That’s why you’re a liar. If Welsh QB Zach Hates wanted to come to Kinder, he would have to move. When Jordan Cordova was going to attend Barbe, he moved. Attendence zones are relevant, contrary to the false narrative and lies you splatter across this forum. The rule was changed January 2015 retroactive for the previous year which allowed Many to keep their trophy. That’s when it all of a sudden became legal to go to school out of zone. The LHSAA only recognizes parish lines now. Individual parish zones are irrelevant in any LHSAA ruling.
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Post by kinder1981 on Nov 26, 2017 19:17:42 GMT -6
They didn’t. That’s why you’re a liar. If Welsh QB Zach Hates wanted to come to Kinder, he would have to move. When Jordan Cordova was going to attend Barbe, he moved. Attendence zones are relevant, contrary to the false narrative and lies you splatter across this forum. The rule was changed January 2015 retroactive for the previous year which allowed Many to keep their trophy. That’s when it all of a sudden became legal to go to school out of zone. The LHSAA only recognizes parish lines now. Individual parish zones are irrelevant in any LHSAA ruling. Not true.
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Post by indy on Nov 26, 2017 19:21:06 GMT -6
The rule was changed January 2015 retroactive for the previous year which allowed Many to keep their trophy. That’s when it all of a sudden became legal to go to school out of zone. The LHSAA only recognizes parish lines now. Individual parish zones are irrelevant in any LHSAA ruling. Not true. Then you tell me when it became legal for Many to get kids from the entire parish. And when Kinder could get kids from Elton because they don’t have baseball?
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Post by kinder1981 on Nov 26, 2017 19:23:50 GMT -6
Then you tell me when it became legal for Many to get kids from the entire parish. And when Kinder could get kids from Elton because they don’t have baseball? You’re lying again. Many has always been able to get kids from the entire Parish who wanted to play football. The lie you continue to tell about Kinder being able to get kids from Elton just to play baseball has been proven wrong atleast ten times on here. You’re a liar. It’s that simple.
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Post by indy on Nov 26, 2017 19:25:36 GMT -6
Then you tell me when it became legal for Many to get kids from the entire parish. And when Kinder could get kids from Elton because they don’t have baseball? You’re lying again. Many has always been able to get kids from the entire Parish who wanted to play football. The lie you continue to tell about Kinder being able to get kids from Elton just to play baseball has been proven wrong atleast ten times on here. You’re a liar. It’s that simple. You are delusional or just plain ignorant.
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Post by kinder1981 on Nov 26, 2017 19:28:13 GMT -6
You’re lying again. Many has always been able to get kids from the entire Parish who wanted to play football. The lie you continue to tell about Kinder being able to get kids from Elton just to play baseball has been proven wrong atleast ten times on here. You’re a liar. It’s that simple. You are delusional or just plain ignorant. There’s the Indy we all know and love...can’t debate so the name calling commenses. I’ll take it as a victory.
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Post by tigers09 on Nov 26, 2017 19:31:35 GMT -6
Been like that forever. Before Rapides Parish started messing with zones and open enrollment, a student that went to Rapides High (that doesn't play football) could go to another high school in parish, sit a year and be eligible. Same as Winn Parish; kids from Atlanta can go to Winnfield because a program is offered that there school doesn't have.
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Post by indy on Nov 26, 2017 19:59:24 GMT -6
Then you tell me when it became legal for Many to get kids from the entire parish. And when Kinder could get kids from Elton because they don’t have baseball? You’re lying again. Many has always been able to get kids from the entire Parish who wanted to play football. The lie you continue to tell about Kinder being able to get kids from Elton just to play baseball has been proven wrong atleast ten times on here. You’re a liar. It’s that simple. So all these years Many could get football players from the entire parish? Lol. And it’s holy hell for a kid from Rayne Catholic or Our Mother of Peace to continue his Catholic education at ND. That’s a joke.
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Post by spectator2 on Nov 26, 2017 20:07:17 GMT -6
I have said it but Indy must not have Heard so I will say it again. I live in Sabine Parish but not in the Many zone. I had one son begin preK in Many in 1998 and the other in 2008. To make it simple to understand, my kids were allowed to attend school out of the zone in which I live beginning 19 years ago. So unless the split has been in place for 19 years this is not a rule that came with the split. Not what I heard but what I have experienced. Thank you Pigskin for your comment and you are correct in stating that if Many was so greatly advantaged by the rule they would win State every year. In case you haven’t read this on one of my post, Many could add another 100 Plus students to attendance and still be 2A. Many has less boys than girls so no way is the Parish feeding football players to Many. Indy just out of courisity, what is ND attendance and how many are boys?
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Post by indy on Nov 26, 2017 20:09:53 GMT -6
I have said it but Indy must not have Heard so I will say it again. I live in Sabine Parish but not in the Many zone. I had one son begin preK in Many in 1998 and the other in 2008. To make it simple to understand, my kids were allowed to attend school out of the zone in which I live beginning 19 years ago. So unless the split has been in place for 19 years this is not a rule that came with the split. Not what I heard but what I have experienced. Thank you Pigskin for your comment and you are correct in stating that if Many was so greatly advantaged by the rule they would win State every year. In case you haven’t read this on one of my post, Many could add another 100 Plus students to attendance and still be 2A. Many has less boys than girls so no way is the Parish feeding football players to Many. Indy just out of courisity, what is ND attendance and how many are boys? . 387. 56% girls
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Post by kinder1981 on Nov 26, 2017 20:19:37 GMT -6
I have said it but Indy must not have Heard so I will say it again. I live in Sabine Parish but not in the Many zone. I had one son begin preK in Many in 1998 and the other in 2008. To make it simple to understand, my kids were allowed to attend school out of the zone in which I live beginning 19 years ago. So unless the split has been in place for 19 years this is not a rule that came with the split. Not what I heard but what I have experienced. Thank you Pigskin for your comment and you are correct in stating that if Many was so greatly advantaged by the rule they would win State every year. In case you haven’t read this on one of my post, Many could add another 100 Plus students to attendance and still be 2A. Many has less boys than girls so no way is the Parish feeding football players to Many. Indy just out of courisity, what is ND attendance and how many are boys? There are a quarter million people in the Lafayette area alone. The vast majority of 14-18 year old boys in that area are perfectly eligible to attend Notre Dame and play on the football team. Whether it’s an all American D tackle from Lafayette or a future LSU linebacker from Welsh, or an intelligent student from Oberlin, they’re not going to descrimimate.
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Post by indy on Nov 26, 2017 20:24:43 GMT -6
I have said it but Indy must not have Heard so I will say it again. I live in Sabine Parish but not in the Many zone. I had one son begin preK in Many in 1998 and the other in 2008. To make it simple to understand, my kids were allowed to attend school out of the zone in which I live beginning 19 years ago. So unless the split has been in place for 19 years this is not a rule that came with the split. Not what I heard but what I have experienced. Thank you Pigskin for your comment and you are correct in stating that if Many was so greatly advantaged by the rule they would win State every year. In case you haven’t read this on one of my post, Many could add another 100 Plus students to attendance and still be 2A. Many has less boys than girls so no way is the Parish feeding football players to Many. Indy just out of courisity, what is ND attendance and how many are boys? There are a quarter million people in the Lafayette area alone. The vast majority of 14-18 year old boys in that area are perfectly eligible to attend Notre Dame and play on the football team. Whether it’s an all American D tackle from Lafayette or a future LSU linebacker from Welsh, or an intelligent student from Oberlin, they’re not going to descrimimate. There you go lying again and totally delusional.
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Post by spectator2 on Nov 26, 2017 20:24:56 GMT -6
Must not be holy hell for a kid from oh say Iota or Welsh to get a catholic education at ND!! So ND has an advantage over public schools like Welsh and Iota yet these public schools are criticized for not wanting to play private schools and are called names for supporting the split! That would be like coming to my house, handcuffing me and then calling me a coward because I won’t come out and fight!!
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