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Post by gridiron on Jun 10, 2018 4:08:36 GMT -6
Maybe we could have a proboard split. Privates on one board and Public on the other. Imagine the outcry.
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Post by fanman on Jun 10, 2018 6:56:32 GMT -6
Maybe we could have a proboard split. Privates on one board and Public on the other. Imagine the outcry. Actually that is what we have already. Those that bash the public schools and those that lift up the private schools.
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Post by BGH on Jun 10, 2018 8:56:33 GMT -6
Maybe we could have a proboard split. Privates on one board and Public on the other. Imagine the outcry. That seems to be your solution to everything. If you can't beat'em ...... dodge'em.
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Post by fanman on Jun 10, 2018 9:55:46 GMT -6
Maybe we could have a proboard split. Privates on one board and Public on the other. Imagine the outcry. That seems to be your solution to everything. If you can't beat'em ...... dodge'em. I do not think we are playing dodge ball. you are just as opinionated about your view as anyone on the side of public schools is. You tear down and smack mouth the public schools and take tremendous offense if ANYONE COUNTERS YOUR VIEWS. So don't be such a hypocrite and respect the public schools as much as you say your views about private schools should be. The split did not occur because one school you people love to insult caused it. Many principals saw the need to level the field. One school or two schools did not cause the split.
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Post by indy on Jun 10, 2018 10:50:46 GMT -6
That seems to be your solution to everything. If you can't beat'em ...... dodge'em. I do not think we are playing dodge ball. you are just as opinionated about your view as anyone on the side of public schools is. You tear down and smack mouth the public schools and take tremendous offense if ANYONE COUNTERS YOUR VIEWS. So don't be such a hypocrite and respect the public schools as much as you say your views about private schools should be. The split did not occur because one school you people love to insult caused it. Many principals saw the need to level the field. One school or two schools did not cause the split. The same group of self serving principals who’s solution to our dead last in the nation education system was to lower standards. Their solution to the LHSAA is the same, so expect the same results. It’s called “follow the s”
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Post by fanman on Jun 10, 2018 11:15:15 GMT -6
I do not think we are playing dodge ball. you are just as opinionated about your view as anyone on the side of public schools is. You tear down and smack mouth the public schools and take tremendous offense if ANYONE COUNTERS YOUR VIEWS. So don't be such a hypocrite and respect the public schools as much as you say your views about private schools should be. The split did not occur because one school you people love to insult caused it. Many principals saw the need to level the field. One school or two schools did not cause the split. The same group of self serving principals who’s solution to our dead last in the nation education system was to lower standards. Their solution to the LHSAA is the same, so expect the same results. It’s called “follow the s” there you go again with your attacks on anybody that broke up your little party and caused the split. La's problems with schools has more to do with so many other issues other than football and not with principals. There are many very dedicated educators striving daily to improve our schools. Attack and call s is a very poor defense. Many people other than principals are so glad the split occurred . So get a grip and realize you have lost the battle and the split is here to stay. Like so many other states that have seen the error and corrected it with a split. Grow up.
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Post by BGH on Jun 10, 2018 11:47:24 GMT -6
That seems to be your solution to everything. If you can't beat'em ...... dodge'em. I do not think we are playing dodge ball. you are just as opinionated about your view as anyone on the side of public schools is. You tear down and smack mouth the public schools and take tremendous offense if ANYONE COUNTERS YOUR VIEWS. So don't be such a hypocrite and respect the public schools as much as you say your views about private schools should be. The split did not occur because one school you people love to insult caused it. Many principals saw the need to level the field. One school or two schools did not cause the split.
You tear down and smack mouth the public schools and take tremendous offense if ANYONE COUNTERS YOUR VIEWS.
This is the problem with trying to have a discussion with people like you. I would love for you to actually counter my views ..... but you never do. You simply say the same thing over and over. The private schools must be cheating, and just because we can NEVER prove it, doesn't mean that it is not happening.
I, on the other hand, do try to counter inaccurate information they you guys put out.
- I corrected you when you falsely said that Evangel had 150 students.
- I countered your absurd statement about Evangel "gathering up" students.
- I countered you when you falsely accussed Evangel of bragging our little school beat the big dogs
At each point I didn't just say you are wrong, I told you why you were wrong and gave you facts. You disputed none of it.
I also asked questions, such as how did Haynesville beat West Monroe since you say a small school should never beat a large school of 2000 kids with excellent coaches. At no point do you ever answer any questions or attempt to "counter" anything I say, you simply repeat the same dogma over and over.
Instead, your solution is to split the message boards up between public and private. You sound just like a public high school principal. Since you can't win ...... just make them go away.
Let me make it perfectly clear to you that I DO NOT respect the public school principals or the LHSAA as a whole. Like you, they have made it clear that they only care about themselves. If there is any hypocrisy in that, I dare you to show me. Of course I already know that you won't and can't.
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Post by indy on Jun 10, 2018 11:48:31 GMT -6
The same group of self serving principals who’s solution to our dead last in the nation education system was to lower standards. Their solution to the LHSAA is the same, so expect the same results. It’s called “follow the s” there you go again with your attacks on anybody that broke up your little party and caused the split. La's problems with schools has more to do with so many other issues other than football and not with principals. There are many very dedicated educators striving daily to improve our schools. Attack and call s is a very poor defense. Many people other than principals are so glad the split occurred . So get a grip and realize you have lost the battle and the split is here to stay. Like so many other states that have seen the error and corrected it with a split. Grow up. Majority rules, and the majority of the principals are s. We are dead last in the nation in education with no end in sight. People like yourself have excepted being last and playing in the B leagues so I guess you can relate to principals. I can’t.
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Post by fanman on Jun 10, 2018 12:04:08 GMT -6
there you go again with your attacks on anybody that broke up your little party and caused the split. La's problems with schools has more to do with so many other issues other than football and not with principals. There are many very dedicated educators striving daily to improve our schools. Attack and call s is a very poor defense. Many people other than principals are so glad the split occurred . So get a grip and realize you have lost the battle and the split is here to stay. Like so many other states that have seen the error and corrected it with a split. Grow up. Majority rules, and the majority of the principals are s. We are dead last in the nation in education with no end in sight. People like yourself have excepted being last and playing in the B leagues so I guess you can relate to principals. I can’t. I am board certified in Anesthesia so i guess i have done fairly well also a retired Col. in the Army. All four of my kids graduated from college. For you to say the majority of all principals are s is a statement made with a broad stroke of ignorance. Surely you are smarter than that. Show a little maturity and stop the low life insults to our educators. We have some fine ones. Maybe yours was a bad one and that is where your anger comes from. Who knows.
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Post by indy on Jun 10, 2018 12:17:13 GMT -6
Majority rules, and the majority of the principals are s. We are dead last in the nation in education with no end in sight. People like yourself have excepted being last and playing in the B leagues so I guess you can relate to principals. I can’t. I am board certified in Anesthesia so i guess i have done fairly well also a retired Col. in the Army. All four of my kids graduated from college. For you to say the majority of all principals are s is a statement made with a broad stroke of ignorance. Surely you are smarter than that. Show a little maturity and stop the low life insults to our educators. We have some fine ones. Maybe yours was a bad one and that is where your anger comes from. Who knows. Nice pat on the back, congrats on your accomplishments, and thank you for your service. But we are dead last in the nation in education, the majority of the principals rule the LHSAA. Those are facts.
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Post by fanman on Jun 10, 2018 13:04:44 GMT -6
I am board certified in Anesthesia so i guess i have done fairly well also a retired Col. in the Army. All four of my kids graduated from college. For you to say the majority of all principals are s is a statement made with a broad stroke of ignorance. Surely you are smarter than that. Show a little maturity and stop the low life insults to our educators. We have some fine ones. Maybe yours was a bad one and that is where your anger comes from. Who knows. Nice pat on the back, congrats on your accomplishments, and thank you for your service. But we are dead last in the nation in education, the majority of the principals rule the LHSAA. Those are facts. Sir it is not about me I simply stated that because i grew up in La. and my kids all went to school in WM. We have done ok with our La. education. Many of the issues are with things not related to principals. Sad to say we may be in the barrel with education but I do not think that has much to do with football. Your anger is disproportionate as it relates to principals. I bet there are many more that are sincerely interested in education and kids than there are that are not. I am sorry you feel the way you do.
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Post by indy on Jun 10, 2018 14:50:05 GMT -6
Nice pat on the back, congrats on your accomplishments, and thank you for your service. But we are dead last in the nation in education, the majority of the principals rule the LHSAA. Those are facts. Sir it is not about me I simply stated that because i grew up in La. and my kids all went to school in WM. We have done ok with our La. education. Many of the issues are with things not related to principals. Sad to say we may be in the barrel with education but I do not think that has much to do with football. Your anger is disproportionate as it relates to principals. I bet there are many more that are sincerely interested in education and kids than there are that are not. I am sorry you feel the way you do. The fact that you and your kids (and many others) had good educations doesn’t change the fact that we are dead last (50th) in education. And it doesn’t change the fact that schools are lead by principals. But it’s not about you! Lol
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Post by fanman on Jun 10, 2018 15:06:49 GMT -6
Sir it is not about me I simply stated that because i grew up in La. and my kids all went to school in WM. We have done ok with our La. education. Many of the issues are with things not related to principals. Sad to say we may be in the barrel with education but I do not think that has much to do with football. Your anger is disproportionate as it relates to principals. I bet there are many more that are sincerely interested in education and kids than there are that are not. I am sorry you feel the way you do. The fact that you and your kids (and many others) had good educations doesn’t change the fact that we are dead last (50th) in education. And it doesn’t change the fact that schools are lead by principals. But it’s not about you! Lol no it is not about me. the conversation is changing morphing to something other than football. You must understand that more people wanted the split that did not want it. As brainwashed as you appear about it. The split was the most fair way to stop the imbalance in football in La. Those of you and most on this board are avid private school there still was an uneven playing field. Please do not attack a few public schools for this change. Maybe you should become a principal and get things addressed you want. I bet if you tried to change it back you would be shot down very quickly. The split is here for good IMO and you and those that do not like it better just learn to live with it. I am done with this you are just too hare headed to continue a conversation with. Enjoy the season I hope your team does well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 15:10:12 GMT -6
My thread got of course big style.
Evangel will be mediocre this year. The ND Players won't make a big splash; they don't recruit.
That is the gist of what I got out of it.
No one recruits. Absolutely no one.
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Post by Sixpack on Jun 10, 2018 16:15:00 GMT -6
It's the part about playing within LSHAA rules that is the root of 20 years of discussions and an eventual split. Just because nobody had the resources or inclination to investigate and interview everyone that was ever associated with e doesn't mean it was all legit. That is just incorrect.
Back when the public-private athletic split was first brewing the problem was not about private schools breaking LHSAA rules. It was about the rules themselves. Back then public schools were limited by mandated school zones and that's where they had to get their athletes. Private schools had no mandated school zones when it came to athletics. That was a private school advantage and I don't think anyone would deny that. So if you want to talk about the split put the blame on the rules themselves and not on the idea that private schools were cheating. In fact the very private schools who were considered by the publics to be the problem in athletics (football) had the LHSAA approve any incoming transfers ahead of time before the transfer was ever allowed to play. Private schools like Evangel and Curtis were under a microscope back then so to imply they did something wrong because of some perceived unwillingness by the LHSAA to investigate is just wrong.
I believe in public education and saying public school principals are s is an ic thing to say. But regardless of what you believe about public school education Evangel did not build a football powerhouse by cheating. They utilized the open border rules they were given, accepted the gifted athletes who CHOSE to be part of an outstanding program, coached them up and WON. And that is legit.
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Post by btown on Jun 10, 2018 16:30:12 GMT -6
Sir it is not about me I simply stated that because i grew up in La. and my kids all went to school in WM. We have done ok with our La. education. Many of the issues are with things not related to principals. Sad to say we may be in the barrel with education but I do not think that has much to do with football. Your anger is disproportionate as it relates to principals. I bet there are many more that are sincerely interested in education and kids than there are that are not. I am sorry you feel the way you do. The fact that you and your kids (and many others) had good educations doesn’t change the fact that we are dead last (50th) in education. And it doesn’t change the fact that schools are lead by principals. But it’s not about you! Lol How much soap do you have now?
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Post by Thumper01 on Jun 10, 2018 19:49:48 GMT -6
I can smell the fresh cut grass at Rodney Duron Field, soon all the students parents fans and family sounds will fill the air. I love watching the other teams come and try their best to beat us, yes some times they do. But I do love watching the Eagles line up and go 4qtrs and never give up.
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Post by gridiron on Jun 11, 2018 9:50:19 GMT -6
I believe what six said and respect that answer. It is what I was looking for. Now, the Haynesville game was an outlier not something that would be commonplace. Like ULM vs Alabama. Kids in highschool and colledge sometimes disrespect another team and think there is no way they can beat us and they do. But for my part Six's answer should put this 20 year old debate to an end. But it probably wont.
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Post by gridiron on Jun 11, 2018 12:31:18 GMT -6
BGH you have not proven anything on the enrollment issue yet because you haven't posted the actual number of 9-12 let's say in 1999. I would think a picky number pincher that doesn't speak in generalities like yourself would have posted that number in a hurry. Do you think we should just take your word on it because your BGH? Hardly.
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Post by Raven on Jun 11, 2018 12:51:27 GMT -6
BGH you have not proven anything on the enrollment issue yet because you haven't posted the actual number of 9-12 let's say in 1999. I would think a picky number pincher that doesn't speak in generalities like yourself would have posted that number in a hurry. Do you think we should just take your word on it because your BGH? Hardly. Per LDOE statistics for non-public schools, Evangel had a 1999 enrollment of 458 students in grades 9-12.
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Post by gridiron on Jun 11, 2018 13:08:35 GMT -6
Thanks Raven YOU proved it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 13:15:59 GMT -6
It's the part about playing within LSHAA rules that is the root of 20 years of discussions and an eventual split. Just because nobody had the resources or inclination to investigate and interview everyone that was ever associated with e doesn't mean it was all legit. That is just incorrect.
Back when the public-private athletic split was first brewing the problem was not about private schools breaking LHSAA rules. It was about the rules themselves. Back then public schools were limited by mandated school zones and that's where they had to get their athletes. Private schools had no mandated school zones when it came to athletics. That was a private school advantage and I don't think anyone would deny that. So if you want to talk about the split put the blame on the rules themselves and not on the idea that private schools were cheating. In fact the very private schools who were considered by the publics to be the problem in athletics (football) had the LHSAA approve any incoming transfers ahead of time before the transfer was ever allowed to play. Private schools like Evangel and Curtis were under a microscope back then so to imply they did something wrong because of some perceived unwillingness by the LHSAA to investigate is just wrong.
I believe in public education and saying public school principals are s is an ic thing to say. But regardless of what you believe about public school education Evangel did not build a football powerhouse by cheating. They utilized the open border rules they were given, accepted the gifted athletes who CHOSE to be part of an outstanding program, coached them up and WON. And that is legit.Excellent post Six.. May I ask was it legal back then to tamper with players from other schools? Recruit? I know for public schools it obviously was not legal, but since you brought up the zoning issue that caused so much disdain then, I figured recruiting itself by private schools may have been legal also.
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Post by BGH on Jun 11, 2018 13:33:51 GMT -6
BGH you have not proven anything on the enrollment issue yet because you haven't posted the actual number of 9-12 let's say in 1999. I would think a picky number pincher that doesn't speak in generalities like yourself would have posted that number in a hurry. Do you think we should just take your word on it because your BGH? Hardly.
I can't answer that just now because fanman and I are working on a bet. The number I seem to remember was 420, but fanman says that was K-12. Maybe you want part of that bet too.
My daughter graduated in the class of 1999 and they had the largest homecoming court ever that year (every senior girl at Evangel is a homecoming queen). I will give you a hint, they had just over 50 girls (I think 54) that year. We had to practice for a week in advance to make sure they could announce all 54 girls with their parents at halftime in 15 minutes so as not to take a penalty in the third quarter. Here's one more hint, her graduating class was a little over 100.
I must have really hurt your feeling when I called you on that 150 number. I never said that I am "picky number pincher", and neither have I ever claimed that I never "speak in generalities". Are you now trying to weasel out and say that your were just speaking in generalities? The difference between 150 and 400 is not even close.
I am sure you were just repeating the same old myth that Evangel only had 150 students, but you forgot to say the other part of the myth which was that 125 of them were football players. That is what was circulating back then and I wish I had a nickle for every time I heard it.
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Post by indy on Jun 11, 2018 13:34:30 GMT -6
It's the part about playing within LSHAA rules that is the root of 20 years of discussions and an eventual split. Just because nobody had the resources or inclination to investigate and interview everyone that was ever associated with e doesn't mean it was all legit. That is just incorrect.
Back when the public-private athletic split was first brewing the problem was not about private schools breaking LHSAA rules. It was about the rules themselves. Back then public schools were limited by mandated school zones and that's where they had to get their athletes. Private schools had no mandated school zones when it came to athletics. That was a private school advantage and I don't think anyone would deny that. So if you want to talk about the split put the blame on the rules themselves and not on the idea that private schools were cheating. In fact the very private schools who were considered by the publics to be the problem in athletics (football) had the LHSAA approve any incoming transfers ahead of time before the transfer was ever allowed to play. Private schools like Evangel and Curtis were under a microscope back then so to imply they did something wrong because of some perceived unwillingness by the LHSAA to investigate is just wrong.
I believe in public education and saying public school principals are s is an ic thing to say. But regardless of what you believe about public school education Evangel did not build a football powerhouse by cheating. They utilized the open border rules they were given, accepted the gifted athletes who CHOSE to be part of an outstanding program, coached them up and WON. And that is legit.You are incorrect. Private schools always had zones per the LHSAA. For years ND had the same zone as Crowley High (closest LHSAA school) anyone out of that zone had to sit out a year, no exceptions. Then it morphed some in the early 2000’s and out of zone freshman that went to a Catholic feeder school could play freshman sports only, no exception. Then the next (hypocrite) vote after the split was parish wide zones plus 24% out of zone to still be non select. Now it’s free range, no fences!
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Post by gridiron on Jun 11, 2018 13:58:58 GMT -6
I called You a picky number pincher. Again, I know it's hard for you to understand this but it makes absolutely no difference to me on this subject if it was 150 or 450 e would not have been able to beat the teams they beat without certain advantages. Six explained those advantages to my satisfaction.
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Post by BGH on Jun 11, 2018 16:12:33 GMT -6
Thanks Raven YOU proved it.
Let me get this straight, when you public school hacks spew lies .......... you do not have to prove anything. When we tell the truth .......... we have to prove it. What an upside down world we live in.
Instead of saying "Thanks Raven YOU proved it" perhaps you should have said, Sorry BGH you were right. But I know that is too much to expect from you.
By the way, thanks Raven for the input. I was just going by memory. I am also mad at you Raven because I was about to take these two patsies to the cleaners with the bet.
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Post by BGH on Jun 11, 2018 16:53:51 GMT -6
I called You a picky number pincher. Again, I know it's hard for you to understand this but it makes absolutely no difference to me on this subject if it was 150 or 450 e would not have been able to beat the teams they beat without certain advantages. Six explained those advantages to my satisfaction.
As I said before, Haynesville (which was a smaller school than Evangel) beat West Monroe when they were the defending 5A Champions. How do reconcile that with your theory that a small school should not be able to beat a school with 2,000 kids. Are you accusing Haynesville of cheating?
By the way, I firmly disagree with Sixpack on one point. Yes private schools could accept players from outside their zone which seems like a big advantage ....... until you consider the fact that private schools did not have their own zone. For LHSAA purposes Evangel had to share the exact same zone as Huntington. Where do you think 95% of the kids in that zone went to school? The free public school of course. So the so-called advantage becomes more of an offset to equalize the fact that attendance zones were made for public schools not private schools.
How would you feel if your favorite public school had to share its attendance zone with another public school? Now lets pretend that every kid that went to the other public school could do so for free, but they have to pay tuition to go to your school. Does that seem like an advantage to you?
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Post by Raven on Jun 11, 2018 16:57:01 GMT -6
Thanks Raven YOU proved it.
Let me get this straight, when you public school hacks spew lies .......... you do not have to prove anything. When we tell the truth .......... we have to prove it. What an upside down world we live in.
Instead of saying "Thanks Raven YOU proved it" perhaps you should have said, Sorry BGH you were right. But I know that is too much to expect from you.
By the way, thanks Raven for the input. I was just going by memory. I am also mad at you Raven because I was about to take these two patsies to the cleaners with the bet.
Sorry BGH. I hadn't followed the whole conversation and was unaware of the proposed wager.
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Post by BGH on Jun 11, 2018 17:00:32 GMT -6
Let me get this straight, when you public school hacks spew lies .......... you do not have to prove anything. When we tell the truth .......... we have to prove it. What an upside down world we live in.
Instead of saying "Thanks Raven YOU proved it" perhaps you should have said, Sorry BGH you were right. But I know that is too much to expect from you.
By the way, thanks Raven for the input. I was just going by memory. I am also mad at you Raven because I was about to take these two patsies to the cleaners with the bet.
Sorry BGH. I hadn't followed the whole conversation and was unaware of the proposed wager.
No problem I was just stringing them along. I am firmly against gambling of any sort.
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Post by gridiron on Jun 11, 2018 18:23:30 GMT -6
Your like a Philadelphia lawyer, you concentrate on the little specifics and the way the question is asked to keep from answering the root question because you don't know the answers or you don't want to go there. Six answered the question in one post that you haven't answered in 20 years. Oh wait, what if it was 21 years. Dope
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