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Post by larrylegend33 on Mar 14, 2019 11:58:33 GMT -6
One of the biggest issues in the LHSAA - and one of the main reasons for the split - is the illegal recruitment of players.
Lets be real: it is happening in both public and private schools across the state. In fact there are teams that have won trophies over the last two weeks because of the talent they brought into their schools.
I was thinking about this last week, but what if the easiest way to level the playing field was to allow schools and coaches to openly communicate to families and students their desire for them to come play sports at their school? That would put an end to backroom deals through AAU coaches, and the LHSAA could focus on cracking down on boosters who are using money to import talent into their school zones.
The rule would look something like this: Schools are allowed to openly communicate their desire to have a family at their school, but neither the school nor anyone else is allowed to use scholarships or any other monetary items to convince the child to attend their school. All transfers must sit one calendar year before being eligible to compete in an athletic event unless the family makes a legitimate move into a different attendance zone.
I think it would bring some balance in how schools and coaches could communicate to prospective families, but puts the focus of illegal recruitment on using money, jobs, housing, gear, and other items to convince kids to attend your school. What do ya'll think?
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Post by Raven on Mar 14, 2019 12:45:40 GMT -6
Not according to the public school principals who pushed for the split. Recruiting had nothing to do with it. It was all about attendance zones and how private schools could get all the best kids from anywhere in the state while public schools could only have access to the scrubs that were left over who lived within their zones.
Of course that's absurd. If accurate then there would no longer be any good players on any public school team and we know that is not the case.
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Post by retired on Mar 16, 2019 0:27:09 GMT -6
One of the biggest issues in the LHSAA - and one of the main reasons for the split - is the illegal recruitment of players. But it wasn't the "illegal" recruitment of players. As Raven mentioned, it was the "legal" recruitment of players, namely the fact that since private schools don't have any natural enrollment, all of their students must be "recruited" so to speak. The complaints were that private schools (particularly in metro areas) had a large population base from which athletes could choose to attend, and it was very difficult if not impossible to prove that the schools had exerted some influence on the choice being made. While I understand your point that "it happens some anyway", I think opening the flood gates would just be a negative for the kids and athletics in general in the long run. Not only that, but do keep in mind that some school systems aren't run with open enrollment measures, and the administration of such policies would be very difficult for some school systems to handle.
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Post by retired on Mar 16, 2019 0:34:58 GMT -6
Not according to the public school principals who pushed for the split. Recruiting had nothing to do with it. It was all about attendance zones and how private schools could get all the best kids from anywhere in the state while public schools could only have access to the scrubs that were left over who lived within their zones. Of course that's absurd. If accurate then there would no longer be any good players on any public school team and we know that is not the case. To play devil's advocate here though, "access" doesn't equal enrollment, and while in instances such as football and basketball it is not the case, one could very well state that there really aren't many (I won't say any) top level players for say soccer, volleyball and to a lesser extent baseball/softball.
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Post by larrylegend33 on Mar 18, 2019 9:35:33 GMT -6
One of the biggest issues in the LHSAA - and one of the main reasons for the split - is the illegal recruitment of players. But it wasn't the "illegal" recruitment of players. As Raven mentioned, it was the "legal" recruitment of players, namely the fact that since private schools don't have any natural enrollment, all of their students must be "recruited" so to speak. The complaints were that private schools (particularly in metro areas) had a large population base from which athletes could choose to attend, and it was very difficult if not impossible to prove that the schools had exerted some influence on the choice being made. While I understand your point that "it happens some anyway", I think opening the flood gates would just be a negative for the kids and athletics in general in the long run. Not only that, but do keep in mind that some school systems aren't run with open enrollment measures, and the administration of such policies would be very difficult for some school systems to handle. If that is the case though, then the new rules still did not fix that issue. Take Madison Prep for example. They are an open charter school in Baton Rouge that any kid can choose to attend. Being a charter school, those kids also don't have to worry about any sort of tuition being paid. Parents can send their kids to play for winning programs at no cost from anywhere in the city, but Madison Prep still competes in the public school brackets. The end result: they win championships every year. I think at heart, the biggest problem with the LHSAA is that principals vote about what is best for their school and not the kids. In my perfect world, they join everything back together and let the kids play. In the imperfect world we live in, if you are going to separate it then still try to make sure the playing field is as level as possible. There is a whole lot of corruption and cheating taking place with very little ability for the LHSAA to enforce rules being passed.
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Post by retired on Mar 18, 2019 20:54:08 GMT -6
But it wasn't the "illegal" recruitment of players. As Raven mentioned, it was the "legal" recruitment of players, namely the fact that since private schools don't have any natural enrollment, all of their students must be "recruited" so to speak. The complaints were that private schools (particularly in metro areas) had a large population base from which athletes could choose to attend, and it was very difficult if not impossible to prove that the schools had exerted some influence on the choice being made. While I understand your point that "it happens some anyway", I think opening the flood gates would just be a negative for the kids and athletics in general in the long run. Not only that, but do keep in mind that some school systems aren't run with open enrollment measures, and the administration of such policies would be very difficult for some school systems to handle. If that is the case though, then the new rules still did not fix that issue. Take Madison Prep for example. They are an open charter school in Baton Rouge that any kid can choose to attend. Being a charter school, those kids also don't have to worry about any sort of tuition being paid. Parents can send their kids to play for winning programs at no cost from anywhere in the city, but Madison Prep still competes in the public school brackets. The end result: they win championships every year. I think at heart, the biggest problem with the LHSAA is that principals vote about what is best for their school and not the kids. In my perfect world, they join everything back together and let the kids play. In the imperfect world we live in, if you are going to separate it then still try to make sure the playing field is as level as possible. There is a whole lot of corruption and cheating taking place with very little ability for the LHSAA to enforce rules being passed. I believe (could be wrong) that there are provisions for situations like Madison Prep if more than a certain number of students from outside a designated area attend--namely it would then be classified as a select school. Unfortunately, I am not sure there is any policy or rule that can really do much when the bottom line is that some people go to high school and participate in athletics, and some people go to high school TO participate in athletics.
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Post by Raven on Mar 19, 2019 10:22:42 GMT -6
But it wasn't the "illegal" recruitment of players. As Raven mentioned, it was the "legal" recruitment of players, namely the fact that since private schools don't have any natural enrollment, all of their students must be "recruited" so to speak. The complaints were that private schools (particularly in metro areas) had a large population base from which athletes could choose to attend, and it was very difficult if not impossible to prove that the schools had exerted some influence on the choice being made. While I understand your point that "it happens some anyway", I think opening the flood gates would just be a negative for the kids and athletics in general in the long run. Not only that, but do keep in mind that some school systems aren't run with open enrollment measures, and the administration of such policies would be very difficult for some school systems to handle. If that is the case though, then the new rules still did not fix that issue. Take Madison Prep for example. They are an open charter school in Baton Rouge that any kid can choose to attend. Being a charter school, those kids also don't have to worry about any sort of tuition being paid. Parents can send their kids to play for winning programs at no cost from anywhere in the city, but Madison Prep still competes in the public school brackets. The end result: they win championships every year. I think at heart, the biggest problem with the LHSAA is that principals vote about what is best for their school and not the kids. In my perfect world, they join everything back together and let the kids play. In the imperfect world we live in, if you are going to separate it then still try to make sure the playing field is as level as possible. There is a whole lot of corruption and cheating taking place with very little ability for the LHSAA to enforce rules being passed. Madison prep was initially put into the select bracket but that was changed after the they let them use the entire parish as their "zone". Now they play in the public school playoff brackets because of their open enrollment policy rather than despite it. Students aren't required to meet any academic or testing requirements to get in, they will take any student who wants to attend, which separates them from the magnet schools who have admission requirements That's why they consider them to be non-select even though they can get students from the entire parish. At least that's my understanding. Someone more familiar with the rules might be able to explain it better.
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Post by iknownuthing on Mar 25, 2019 8:11:18 GMT -6
One of the "facts" that gets swept under the rug, is how public school coaches treat private school kids when it comes to all district honors. This is a direct argument that the private schools do not get all the best players or recruit as accused. I have long said, STM needs to find out who their athletic recruitment coordinator is and fire them. For example STM's girls basketball team, came out second in district with a 7-3 record. Teurling 1st with a 10-0 record. several schools had 2-8 records the other also had a losing record. Teurlings had one player on the first team, STM had NONE. The 2-8 teams dominated the all district team, losing players from losing teams as the public school coaches met before hand to collude on the vote. When the top two teams particularly STM's Coach protested to the vote, he was told, Coach you had a good team you just did not have any good players. So what were they telling him. You won because your are the better coach? Yet he did not receive any honors, so it could not be that he was a good coach. It had to be that they were just such bad coaches that they could not win with the better talent? Or were they saying that private schools win on the court when they should not?
This shows the corrupt mindset of the public school systems. It demonstrates that a fair and level playing field is not the intent of the public schools nor of the LHSAA, that illegal recruitment is not the problem. The problem is a corrupt mindset within the public school teachers, coaches, principals and the local administration. Maybe it is time to eliminate the All District process completely because it has become as useless and unjust as the Mueller investigation. It has become meaningless and no longer a true performance based honor. But has been denigrated to a political process to lift up the underachiever and to bolster those coaches who cannot properly motivate, teach or administer their teams and players properly.
The real disservice is to any university who may be interested in recruiting any of these girls for their basketball programs. If the kids resume says she was first team all district, it does not mean that she was one of the better players in talent, attitude or devotion to the game. It is a false representation of the achievement. That they may have some talent may be apparent, but the real problem resides in that they have not been inculcated with a proper belief and attitude for success, in neither sport nor life. Instead honor was given under false pretense in order to falsely stroke the ego of both the players and their coaches (and parents).
Since the false entrance to universities using the athletic departments shouldn't it now be looked into as what other athletes also falsified SAT and ACT scores, those cheating on the exams, false representation of both athletic and academic capabilities and how marketing of prospects by out side individuals has tainted all of college athletics?
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 26, 2019 21:33:55 GMT -6
One of the "facts" that gets swept under the rug, is how public school coaches treat private school kids when it comes to all district honors. This is a direct argument that the private schools do not get all the best players or recruit as accused. I have long said, STM needs to find out who their athletic recruitment coordinator is and fire them. For example STM's girls basketball team, came out second in district with a 7-3 record. Teurling 1st with a 10-0 record. several schools had 2-8 records the other also had a losing record. Teurlings had one player on the first team, STM had NONE. The 2-8 teams dominated the all district team, losing players from losing teams as the public school coaches met before hand to collude on the vote. When the top two teams particularly STM's Coach protested to the vote, he was told, Coach you had a good team you just did not have any good players. So what were they telling him. You won because your are the better coach? Yet he did not receive any honors, so it could not be that he was a good coach. It had to be that they were just such bad coaches that they could not win with the better talent? Or were they saying that private schools win on the court when they should not? This shows the corrupt mindset of the public school systems. It demonstrates that a fair and level playing field is not the intent of the public schools nor of the LHSAA, that illegal recruitment is not the problem. The problem is a corrupt mindset within the public school teachers, coaches, principals and the local administration. Maybe it is time to eliminate the All District process completely because it has become as useless and unjust as the Mueller investigation. It has become meaningless and no longer a true performance based honor. But has been denigrated to a political process to lift up the underachiever and to bolster those coaches who cannot properly motivate, teach or administer their teams and players properly. The real disservice is to any university who may be interested in recruiting any of these girls for their basketball programs. If the kids resume says she was first team all district, it does not mean that she was one of the better players in talent, attitude or devotion to the game. It is a false representation of the achievement. That they may have some talent may be apparent, but the real problem resides in that they have not been inculcated with a proper belief and attitude for success, in neither sport nor life. Instead honor was given under false pretense in order to falsely stroke the ego of both the players and their coaches (and parents). Since the false entrance to universities using the athletic departments shouldn't it now be looked into as what other athletes also falsified SAT and ACT scores, those cheating on the exams, false representation of both athletic and academic capabilities and how marketing of prospects by out side individuals has tainted all of college athletics? about the all district teams, well it's a team sport. Plus many districts try to name at least one kid from every team at first or second team all district
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Post by retired on Mar 26, 2019 23:12:46 GMT -6
One of the "facts" that gets swept under the rug, is how public school coaches treat private school kids when it comes to all district honors. This is a direct argument that the private schools do not get all the best players or recruit as accused. I have long said, STM needs to find out who their athletic recruitment coordinator is and fire them. For example STM's girls basketball team, came out second in district with a 7-3 record. Teurling 1st with a 10-0 record. several schools had 2-8 records the other also had a losing record. Teurlings had one player on the first team, STM had NONE. The 2-8 teams dominated the all district team, losing players from losing teams as the public school coaches met before hand to collude on the vote. When the top two teams particularly STM's Coach protested to the vote, he was told, Coach you had a good team you just did not have any good players. So what were they telling him. You won because your are the better coach? Yet he did not receive any honors, so it could not be that he was a good coach. It had to be that they were just such bad coaches that they could not win with the better talent? Or were they saying that private schools win on the court when they should not? This shows the corrupt mindset of the public school systems. It demonstrates that a fair and level playing field is not the intent of the public schools nor of the LHSAA, that illegal recruitment is not the problem. The problem is a corrupt mindset within the public school teachers, coaches, principals and the local administration. Maybe it is time to eliminate the All District process completely because it has become as useless and unjust as the Mueller investigation. It has become meaningless and no longer a true performance based honor. But has been denigrated to a political process to lift up the underachiever and to bolster those coaches who cannot properly motivate, teach or administer their teams and players properly. The real disservice is to any university who may be interested in recruiting any of these girls for their basketball programs. If the kids resume says she was first team all district, it does not mean that she was one of the better players in talent, attitude or devotion to the game. It is a false representation of the achievement. That they may have some talent may be apparent, but the real problem resides in that they have not been inculcated with a proper belief and attitude for success, in neither sport nor life. Instead honor was given under false pretense in order to falsely stroke the ego of both the players and their coaches (and parents). Since the false entrance to universities using the athletic departments shouldn't it now be looked into as what other athletes also falsified SAT and ACT scores, those cheating on the exams, false representation of both athletic and academic capabilities and how marketing of prospects by out side individuals has tainted all of college athletics? I don't really think you can take a single school's example and then say it represents "the corrupt mindset of the public school systems" That seems far fetched at best. Also, saying that "the real disservice is to any university interested in recruiting a player" is comical. College coaches do not use stats or awards for recruiting purposes. No athlete worthy of being recruited due to skill level was subsequently not recruited on the basis of post season district honors (or lack thereof)
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