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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 19:47:13 GMT -6
The rural /metro in bold print made my brain hurt!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 19:47:42 GMT -6
What the hell is that???
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Post by laprepfb on Apr 28, 2016 3:55:22 GMT -6
It's really rich how schools with a large number of out of zone athletes are such staunch split supporters.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 6:49:06 GMT -6
It's really rich how schools with a large number of out of zone athletes are such staunch split supporters. What's even richer is how you bring that up when ALL private schools have the like enrollment. Thought it didn't matter?
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Post by bigred4 on Apr 28, 2016 7:48:10 GMT -6
Feaster has always been scared of the private schools. If the privates ever form their own association, I hope Calvary and Evangel open a no rules recruiting office right across the street from Parkway. Would love to see him sweat that one out.
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Post by deadman318 on Apr 28, 2016 8:38:34 GMT -6
Parkway football coach David Feaster released an open letter Wednesday through the program's Twitter account in regard to the ongoing select/nonselect continually at the forefront of the LHSAA landscape.
Feaster wrote:
Well, the LHSAA super-delegates have decided to have a contested convention sometime in June.
If you haven't been involved with the LHSAA very long, you might not remember when we went to 5A. We had only had four classes of football for some time, and it was kind of a tough sell. There was a lot of discussion about "watering down the brackets" and allowing undeserving teams to make the playoffs with only 60 or so teams in each class. But the principals passes it fairly easily. As soon as it was passed, the commissioner directed his staff to go into the handbook and change everything that pertained to the classes: "The name of the classes shall be...," "The executive committee shall consist of...," "The Superdome classic will have five games Friday and Saturday instead of four games Saturday," etc.
We didn't violate the constitution or the bylaws; we changed them.
We changed them again three years ago. We change them every year. At one point, we gave the executive committee the authority to establish the divisions in sports where there weren't enough participating schools to adequately fill the classes. This isn't inherent power; it was given to them by the membership. In fact, the only thing about our organization that should be referred to as "the holy grail" is that if you don't like a rule, you write a proposal to change it. If over half of your colleagues agree with you, it becomes law.
The voices against the split wanted the LHSAA to "fix it," similar to what they did with officials pay: In January 2015, the principals voted down a pay raise. Several months later the executive committee granted the raise. In January 2016, the principals voted again, this time approving what the committee had done. The "extraordinary circumstances" that the committee cited which allowed them such a move was that the officials were planning to strike and shut down the football season.
This time, the extraordinary circumstances are: 1) the state legislature is about to kill us and eat us, and 2) the privates were really on the verge of leaving this time. The vast majority of the executive committee believes that it would be wrong for them to overrule the will of the principals (made clear three years in a row). Even the committee members who are opposed to the split believe that the authority lies with the membership. But they voted 11 to 10 on a compromise. It's unconstitutional and unprecedented. I suppose they leaned on the stated "duties of the president (to) Call special meetings of the Association and Executive Committee," and ignored the circumstances under which such a meeting may be called: "7.1.2 Special meetings may be called by the Association's President and must be called within 60 calendar days upon the written request of at least 50 percent of the member schools. If at least 50 percent of the membership has not supported, in writing, the initial request officially submitted to the LHSAA to call a special meeting, the request will be declared null and void."
About 25 years ago Leesville requested and was granted a special meeting to change their classification after Fort Polk had had a massive pull-out. In 2004, we voted to have a special meeting in September to allow the new and improved School Relations Committee to come up with alternatives to the split proposal of that time. We have never had a special meeting called by an officer who was simply unhappy with the recent votes.
And now we go back to Baton Rouge where three things are almost sure to happen:
We will break a record for the most amendments ever proposed to a single bill. Nobody will vote yes on the bill. Everybody will leave mad.
Class B and C don't want to combine. Maybe they should. Maybe we should make them. But they don't want to. They like the playoff gates. They like going to the state tournaments. They have never wanted to combined, and they don't want to now.
(Class) A, AA, AAA... Nobody will vote for this:
RUCA (Rural Urban Commuting Area). 2) Metropolitan area high commuting: primary flow 30 percent or more to an Urban Area. 3) Metropolitan area low community: primary flow 10 percent to 30 percent to an Urban Area. 4) Micropolitan area core: primary flow within an Urban Cluster of 10,000 to 49,999 (large Urban Cluster). 5) Micropolitan high commuting: primary flow 30 percent or more to a large Urban Cluster. 6) Micropolitan low commuting: primary flow 10 percent to 30 percent to a large Urban Cluster. 7) Small town core: primary flow within an Urban Cluster of 2,500 to 9,999 (small Urban Cluster). 8) Small town high commuting: primary flow 30 percent or more to a small Urban Cluster. 9) Small town low commuting: primary flow 10 percent to 30 percent to a small Urban Cluster. 10) Rural areas: primary flow to a tract outside an Urban Area or Urban Cluster. 2) US Department Transportation Federal Highway Administration Maps. 3) Rural Assistance Center Information. 14.3.3- A select admission school metropolitan school shall be a public or nonpublic school that has an admission policy to select the students who attend the school designated attendance zone located in a metropolitan area. Select admission schools Metropolitan schools shall be based on: 1) All nonpublic schools RUCA (1) Metropolitan area core: primary flow within an urbanized area (UA). 2) All university laboratory schools US Department of Transportation Federal Highway Administration. 3) All magnet schools Rural Assistance Center.
It made little sense before. Now that the big schools and the iron man schools are out of it, it is completely unworkable.
4A and 5A have voted three times to split. There was some talk that we would be more willing to consider it if schools weren't allowed to play up, and I'm sure we will see that amendment offered, but we can't change any of that in the middle of a classification.
There is a way to do all of this, of course. Propose a rule change. We will discuss it at track meets, at basketball tournaments and at area meetings, argue about it in Baton Rouge and then vote. Do it before a reclassification year if it will affect classification. There is a right way. We do have rules. They can be changed. But only in the right manner.
The executive committee and any ad-hoc committees should be working in accordance with the will of the association, not trying to circumvent it. At the January meeting, the parliamentarian ruled that the amendment to split all sports was out of order because the executive committee had to set up the divisions in advance. This wasn't right, but it stood. We would certainly expect the committee to come up with the divisions in all sports before our next meeting, as surely someone will propose it again. And if they messed up the divisions in softball in January, fix them now.
And, "NO!" if any school withdraws from the LHSAA, they will not be allowed to compete against member schools. No basketball tournaments, no track meets, no scrimmages or exhibition games. It's a rule. And I seriously doubt if any member schools will have a desire to play a school that tried to "burn it down" because they were unhappy with their playoff bracket.
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Post by deadman318 on Apr 28, 2016 8:39:54 GMT -6
Feaster is probably the most notorious recruiter in the non-select realm and manipulator of the M&M transfer rule...
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Post by laprepfb on Apr 28, 2016 10:15:06 GMT -6
It's really rich how schools with a large number of out of zone athletes are such staunch split supporters. What's even richer is how you bring that up when ALL private schools have the like enrollment. Thought it didn't matter? It matters, but is mitigated (many would argue superceded) by the fact that private schools charge tuition. What is the tuition at Parkway?
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Post by Griffinfan on Apr 28, 2016 10:16:15 GMT -6
Back when Brandon Harris was playing for Parkway, they had 29 players from Bossier by using the M&M transfer rule. That was including Harris.
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Post by 64 on Apr 28, 2016 10:49:48 GMT -6
Back when Brandon Harris was playing for Parkway, they had 29 players from Bossier by using the M&M transfer rule. That was including Harris. Here's a piece of trivia for you... What team did Parkway's Coach Feaster make his Superdome Prep Classic debut with?
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Apr 28, 2016 11:14:50 GMT -6
Back when Brandon Harris was playing for Parkway, they had 29 players from Bossier by using the M&M transfer rule. That was including Harris. Here's a piece of trivia for you... What team did Parkway's Coach Feaster make his Superdome Prep Classic debut with? I think it was Many High School
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Post by fridaynights on Apr 28, 2016 11:23:46 GMT -6
Jennings
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 12:10:43 GMT -6
Coach Feaster is dead on balls accurate, as usual.
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Post by jmphs on Apr 28, 2016 14:50:49 GMT -6
Back when Brandon Harris was playing for Parkway, they had 29 players from Bossier by using the M&M transfer rule. That was including Harris. Absolutely false. There was nowhere near that many M to M transfers on that team. I am looking at that roster and there appears to be approximately 7-10. There were 55-60 m to m transfers at parkway this year with about 50% of those girls. Of the remaining 50% only half of those participate in sports.
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Post by Griffinfan on Apr 28, 2016 15:13:28 GMT -6
Back when Brandon Harris was playing for Parkway, they had 29 players from Bossier by using the M&M transfer rule. That was including Harris. Absolutely false. There was nowhere near that many M to M transfers on that team. I am looking at that roster and there appears to be approximately 7-10. There were 55-60 m to m transfers at parkway this year with about 50% of those girls. Of the remaining 50% only half of those participate in sports. Absolutely true. Those transfers totally decimated Bossier. I'm not talking about just 1 year.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Apr 28, 2016 15:21:44 GMT -6
Coach Feaster is dead on balls accurate, as usual. good for him... 5A needs a villain. they have to be the most impossible team to root for for people not from their area, due to him and that principal
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Post by jmphs on Apr 28, 2016 16:23:15 GMT -6
Absolutely false. There was nowhere near that many M to M transfers on that team. I am looking at that roster and there appears to be approximately 7-10. There were 55-60 m to m transfers at parkway this year with about 50% of those girls. Of the remaining 50% only half of those participate in sports. Absolutely true. Those transfers totally decimated Bossier. I'm not talking about just 1 year. But you were talking about 1 year and I pointed out your numbers were incorrect. Bossier High was decimated by the arrival of the casinos, ART Parkway and boardwalk which reduced the number of homes within the district lines. More recently the DOD stepping in to allow parent choice to those living on base as opposed to attending BHS. With the changes that are soon to take place to the area of Texas street and the extension of ART north there will be a further reduction of students at BHS. AHS has a good number of M to M transfers as well.
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Post by laprepfb on Apr 29, 2016 4:24:10 GMT -6
Back when Brandon Harris was playing for Parkway, they had 29 players from Bossier by using the M&M transfer rule. That was including Harris. Absolutely false. There was nowhere near that many M to M transfers on that team. I am looking at that roster and there appears to be approximately 7-10. There were 55-60 m to m transfers at parkway this year with about 50% of those girls. Of the remaining 50% only half of those participate in sports. OK, let's say you are correct. Which school has more of an "advantage"? This one, or a Catholic school with an entire roster of lifelong Catholic school kids, regardless of which public school zone they live in?
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Post by jmphs on Apr 29, 2016 10:08:04 GMT -6
Absolutely false. There was nowhere near that many M to M transfers on that team. I am looking at that roster and there appears to be approximately 7-10. There were 55-60 m to m transfers at parkway this year with about 50% of those girls. Of the remaining 50% only half of those participate in sports. OK, let's say you are correct. Which school has more of an "advantage"? This one, or a Catholic school with an entire roster of lifelong Catholic school kids, regardless of which public school zone they live in? I, admittedly, know nothing about Catholic Schools or how they acquire their students so I can't answer that question.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 10:52:16 GMT -6
Heard Calvary's Coach Bachman on the radio this morning. He said he agreed with Coach Feaster. Either play by what was voted on, or split off.
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Post by pinion on Apr 29, 2016 11:19:22 GMT -6
Feaster makes me laugh a little bit. His little rant was a good bit rambling, almost to the point of being incoherent. For someone all upset about where private school students come from, it sure does look odd that he has players that live in Shreveport.
I'm fine with that happening, I just find it incredible that he has a problem with it when it's going on at his own school.
I'll never forget the look in his eyes last year when he knew he was going to lose to Evangel. All that smack talking from South Bossier. That went right out the window as soon as the first whistle blew.
I wonder how Feaster feels having a coach that went to a private school.
CoachFeaster, relax man. It'll be okay. You got your split, you can quit crying now.
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Post by laprepfb on Apr 29, 2016 13:15:48 GMT -6
OK, let's say you are correct. Which school has more of an "advantage"? This one, or a Catholic school with an entire roster of lifelong Catholic school kids, regardless of which public school zone they live in? I, admittedly, know nothing about Catholic Schools or how they acquire their students so I can't answer that question. And here is another factor in this issue...many folks know nothing about a huge segment of schools but use anecdotal evidence from a minute fraction of private schools to paint them all with the same broad "cheating, recruiting, etc." brush. I agree there are pros and cons to the "relegation" system of moving schools up and down. I believe it could work in conjunction with some system that examines where the student body of a school comes from. For example, I went to a public vs. private baseball game a few weeks ago. All 10 players from the private school had attended private feeder schools of their school for their entire academic careers. For the public school, there were four from public middle schools, four from private, and two who had moved in from out of town. With the system that has been voted in, the private school is considered select and the public is not - even though they "attain or attract" their students in a way that I've been told is not allowed in the public schools.
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Post by jmphs on Apr 29, 2016 15:01:23 GMT -6
I, admittedly, know nothing about Catholic Schools or how they acquire their students so I can't answer that question. And here is another factor in this issue...many folks know nothing about a huge segment of schools but use anecdotal evidence from a minute fraction of private schools to paint them all with the same broad "cheating, recruiting, etc." brush. I agree there are pros and cons to the "relegation" system of moving schools up and down. I believe it could work in conjunction with some system that examines where the student body of a school comes from. For example, I went to a public vs. private baseball game a few weeks ago. All 10 players from the private school had attended private feeder schools of their school for their entire academic careers. For the public school, there were four from public middle schools, four from private, and two who had moved in from out of town. With the system that has been voted in, the private school is considered select and the public is not - even though they "attain or attract" their students in a way that I've been told is not allowed in the public schools. [b Nowhere in any of that did I say anyone cheated! We were having a discussion about M to M transfers at Parkway. I was asked a question about Catholic Schools and admitted I know nothing about how they get their students and you proclaim me the problem. Talk about a broad brush!
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Post by eag on Apr 29, 2016 15:40:12 GMT -6
And here is another factor in this issue...many folks know nothing about a huge segment of schools but use anecdotal evidence from a minute fraction of private schools to paint them all with the same broad "cheating, recruiting, etc." brush. I agree there are pros and cons to the "relegation" system of moving schools up and down. I believe it could work in conjunction with some system that examines where the student body of a school comes from. For example, I went to a public vs. private baseball game a few weeks ago. All 10 players from the private school had attended private feeder schools of their school for their entire academic careers. For the public school, there were four from public middle schools, four from private, and two who had moved in from out of town. With the system that has been voted in, the private school is considered select and the public is not - even though they "attain or attract" their students in a way that I've been told is not allowed in the public schools. [b Nowhere in any of that did I say anyone cheated! We were having a discussion about M to M transfers at Parkway. I was asked a question about Catholic Schools and admitted I know nothing about how they get their students and you proclaim me the problem. Talk about a broad brush! FWIW, jm, I didn't read his comment as an attack on you at all, but more just a statement that he feels the discussion of this issue is negatively affected by the prevalence of hearsay. As an observer to this conversation, I commend you for saying that you do not know. I though that when I first read your comment. If everyone was like that it would be a more productive discussion for sure.
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Post by jmphs on Apr 29, 2016 18:43:17 GMT -6
[b Nowhere in any of that did I say anyone cheated! We were having a discussion about M to M transfers at Parkway. I was asked a question about Catholic Schools and admitted I know nothing about how they get their students and you proclaim me the problem. Talk about a broad brush! FWIW, jm, I didn't read his comment as an attack on you at all, but more just a statement that he feels the discussion of this issue is negatively affected by the prevalence of hearsay. As an observer to this conversation, I commend you for saying that you do not know. I though that when I first read your comment. If everyone was like that it would be a more productive discussion for sure. If I read into that comment then I do apologize. I'm sorry if I misinterpreted.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 8:41:45 GMT -6
Funny how Parkway gets most all M@M transfers out of bossier parish and the hypocrisy of Feaster. He's scared to death to play anybody and clueless.
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Post by pioneerforlife on Apr 30, 2016 9:10:59 GMT -6
Funny how Parkway gets most all M@M transfers out of bossier parish and the hypocrisy of Feaster. He's scared to death to play anybody and clueless. Feaster sounds like a whiner?
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