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Post by iknownuthing on Dec 3, 2020 10:45:23 GMT -6
To hear what Terrance Marshall had to say about leaving the program, it is a sad state of affairs. He speaks about his leadership role, but acted with no quality in the face of adversity not much of a leader. To abandon your team mates, your coaches and your school during a critical time of the season to focus on your own selfish needs and it be ok, speaks with volume as to the problems within the program. They play with no heart because those left behind have no heart. If there is such a thing as Karma he will be drafted in the last round of the draft by the Jets or become a bench warmer on the Falcons as a after draft signee. Still probably better for the team that he has left. Obviously, his QB's could not rely on him to put forth maximum effort or to be a team player.
Let's see what that stirs up.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Dec 3, 2020 12:10:57 GMT -6
To hear what Terrance Marshall had to say about leaving the program, it is a sad state of affairs. He speaks about his leadership role, but acted with no quality in the face of adversity not much of a leader. To abandon your team mates, your coaches and your school during a critical time of the season to focus on your own selfish needs and it be ok, speaks with volume as to the problems within the program. They play with no heart because those left behind have no heart. If there is such a thing as Karma he will be drafted in the last round of the draft by the Jets or become a bench warmer on the Falcons as a after draft signee. Still probably better for the team that he has left. Obviously, his QB's could not rely on him to put forth maximum effort or to be a team player. Let's see what that stirs up. The kid has a chance to make life changing money. And the only thing that could mess it up is getting injured in a meaningless game. I would guess that if his team was still in the hunt for a title, or possibly even had a realistic shot to win another game, he may have felt it was worth the risk. His teammate didn’t think playing at all was worth it. Even if he is drafted in the last round by the Jets or is a bench warmer for the Falcons, he’d be making over half a million dollars for his first year. I don’t know his background or family financial situation, but it may be that he has a chance to completely change his family’s situation. And if things work out, for a generation or two.
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Post by iknownuthing on Dec 4, 2020 8:30:34 GMT -6
To hear what Terrance Marshall had to say about leaving the program, it is a sad state of affairs. He speaks about his leadership role, but acted with no quality in the face of adversity not much of a leader. To abandon your team mates, your coaches and your school during a critical time of the season to focus on your own selfish needs and it be ok, speaks with volume as to the problems within the program. They play with no heart because those left behind have no heart. If there is such a thing as Karma he will be drafted in the last round of the draft by the Jets or become a bench warmer on the Falcons as a after draft signee. Still probably better for the team that he has left. Obviously, his QB's could not rely on him to put forth maximum effort or to be a team player. Let's see what that stirs up. The kid has a chance to make life changing money. And the only thing that could mess it up is getting injured in a meaningless game. I would guess that if his team was still in the hunt for a title, or possibly even had a realistic shot to win another game, he may have felt it was worth the risk. His teammate didn’t think playing at all was worth it. Even if he is drafted in the last round by the Jets or is a bench warmer for the Falcons, he’d be making over half a million dollars for his first year. I don’t know his background or family financial situation, but it may be that he has a chance to completely change his family’s situation. And if things work out, for a generation or two. And this line of reasoning is why there needs to be a change in structure because getting a college degree can be life changing for your family for generations also. It is time to get these types of players out of college football and into a farm system for the NFL. Let's start paying them right out of high school and let the NFL pay the price to take care of their needs instead of the universities.
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Post by jay on Dec 6, 2020 10:25:53 GMT -6
To hear what Terrance Marshall had to say about leaving the program, it is a sad state of affairs. He speaks about his leadership role, but acted with no quality in the face of adversity not much of a leader. To abandon your team mates, your coaches and your school during a critical time of the season to focus on your own selfish needs and it be ok, speaks with volume as to the problems within the program. They play with no heart because those left behind have no heart. If there is such a thing as Karma he will be drafted in the last round of the draft by the Jets or become a bench warmer on the Falcons as a after draft signee. Still probably better for the team that he has left. Obviously, his QB's could not rely on him to put forth maximum effort or to be a team player. Let's see what that stirs up. It's a stepping stone to his ultimate goal of getting to where he wants to be. His goal to make it to a place in his mind where he can be secure and comfortable in his life. A place where in his mind he can say "I've succeeded I'm successful" When that main goal is achieved he will have want to take it further and so on and so forth. Pretty much what everybody wants. Maybe not all but I think most.
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Post by retired on Dec 6, 2020 13:23:14 GMT -6
The kid has a chance to make life changing money. And the only thing that could mess it up is getting injured in a meaningless game. I would guess that if his team was still in the hunt for a title, or possibly even had a realistic shot to win another game, he may have felt it was worth the risk. His teammate didn’t think playing at all was worth it. Even if he is drafted in the last round by the Jets or is a bench warmer for the Falcons, he’d be making over half a million dollars for his first year. I don’t know his background or family financial situation, but it may be that he has a chance to completely change his family’s situation. And if things work out, for a generation or two. And this line of reasoning is why there needs to be a change in structure because getting a college degree can be life changing for your family for generations also. It is time to get these types of players out of college football and into a farm system for the NFL. Let's start paying them right out of high school and let the NFL pay the price to take care of their needs instead of the universities. The issue is that nobody really wants to discuss the not so secret "dirty secret" involving major (and in some cases minor) college football and men's basketball. That a large percentage, most likely a vast majority of the players would not choose to attend the university if the concept of college athletics did not exist. I often wonder what the response of fans would be if the college football and basketball landscape was built upon student athletes who would be attending college regardless of athletics. If Saturday nights in Tiger Stadium meant watching the 5'10 185lb accounting, engineering, finance, fine arts, biology/chemistry majors competing instead of 6'1 220lb interdisciplinary study majors. That college degree you refer to isn't really life changing for the majority of interdisciplinary studies or sports administration majors. Obviously it can only be a thought experiment, but I do believe it is an enlightening one. I often apply the same parameters to HS athletics. Would ________ be attending _________ school if HS sports were magically blipped out of existence. That said, I have no problems with the kids looking out for themselves because as someone who has been a part of the of it--major college athletic programs aren't really looking out for them.
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Post by jhodgegrad on Dec 7, 2020 17:19:14 GMT -6
The kid has a chance to make life changing money. And the only thing that could mess it up is getting injured in a meaningless game. I would guess that if his team was still in the hunt for a title, or possibly even had a realistic shot to win another game, he may have felt it was worth the risk. His teammate didn’t think playing at all was worth it. Even if he is drafted in the last round by the Jets or is a bench warmer for the Falcons, he’d be making over half a million dollars for his first year. I don’t know his background or family financial situation, but it may be that he has a chance to completely change his family’s situation. And if things work out, for a generation or two. And this line of reasoning is why there needs to be a change in structure because getting a college degree can be life changing for your family for generations also. It is time to get these types of players out of college football and into a farm system for the NFL. Let's start paying them right out of high school and let the NFL pay the price to take care of their needs instead of the universities. What’s wrong with athletes using their athletic gifts to further their education while playing sports? Without sports, there are many athletes that wouldn’t attend college. And not everyone is going to go to the Pros, and even less will stay there for a while. I see no downside in attending for 1-4 years and getting however much work done then towards your degree, while leaving at any moment to make life changing money. And there are many athletes that use that progress made to go back to school and finish up their degree. Think you’re being a little bit greedy as a college football fan in wanting your team to have its best players out there risking their futures.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2020 23:36:42 GMT -6
How will we feel now that Gilbert is leaving and likely a mass exodus of emery and company?
Will we call them quitters? Quite possibly Marshall saw the shiz show for what it was and said, "Nah, Im good".
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Post by retired on Dec 8, 2020 17:43:17 GMT -6
And this line of reasoning is why there needs to be a change in structure because getting a college degree can be life changing for your family for generations also. It is time to get these types of players out of college football and into a farm system for the NFL. Let's start paying them right out of high school and let the NFL pay the price to take care of their needs instead of the universities. What’s wrong with athletes using their athletic gifts to further their education while playing sports? Without sports, there are many athletes that wouldn’t attend college. And not everyone is going to go to the Pros, and even less will stay there for a while. I see no downside in attending for 1-4 years and getting however much work done then towards your degree, while leaving at any moment to make life changing money. And there are many athletes that use that progress made to go back to school and finish up their degree. Think you’re being a little bit greedy as a college football fan in wanting your team to have its best players out there risking their futures. I understand your sentiments, and I generally agree with the student athlete given that they are essentially exploited for free labor in the major sports. Unfortunately, nobody ever wants to discuss the reason why they are exploitable (A large % probably don't have much of an interest in higher education). That said, the hole in your argument here is that many of the players we are talking about generally are not truly furthering their education in any appreciable manner. Interdisciplinary Studies, General Studies, Sports management, recreational Studies, Agricultural leadership etc are probably not courses of study that will really yield life changing opportunities on their own.
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Post by jhodgegrad on Dec 8, 2020 19:28:04 GMT -6
What’s wrong with athletes using their athletic gifts to further their education while playing sports? Without sports, there are many athletes that wouldn’t attend college. And not everyone is going to go to the Pros, and even less will stay there for a while. I see no downside in attending for 1-4 years and getting however much work done then towards your degree, while leaving at any moment to make life changing money. And there are many athletes that use that progress made to go back to school and finish up their degree. Think you’re being a little bit greedy as a college football fan in wanting your team to have its best players out there risking their futures. I understand your sentiments, and I generally agree with the student athlete given that they are essentially exploited for free labor in the major sports. Unfortunately, nobody ever wants to discuss the reason why they are exploitable (A large % probably don't have much of an interest in higher education). That said, the hole in your argument here is that many of the players we are talking about generally are not truly furthering their education in any appreciable manner. Interdisciplinary Studies, General Studies, Sports management, recreational Studies, Agricultural leadership etc are probably not courses of study that will really yield life changing opportunities on their own. If you want to say that someone getting a degree in general studies is nothing then you do that. But I know many people who are grateful for that opportunity. And just getting a degree like helps out a lot compared to having nothing. Many of these athletes are coming from families that have no college graduates. I think they’d call it a pretty big deal.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Dec 8, 2020 19:53:28 GMT -6
I understand your sentiments, and I generally agree with the student athlete given that they are essentially exploited for free labor in the major sports. Unfortunately, nobody ever wants to discuss the reason why they are exploitable (A large % probably don't have much of an interest in higher education). That said, the hole in your argument here is that many of the players we are talking about generally are not truly furthering their education in any appreciable manner. Interdisciplinary Studies, General Studies, Sports management, recreational Studies, Agricultural leadership etc are probably not courses of study that will really yield life changing opportunities on their own. If you want to say that someone getting a degree in general studies is nothing then you do that. But I know many people who are grateful for that opportunity. And just getting a degree like helps out a lot compared to having nothing. Many of these athletes are coming from families that have no college graduates. I think they’d call it a pretty big deal. That is admirable for sure. But the NFL minimum salary is more in one year than a general studies degree will yield in 10-12 years.
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Post by jhodgegrad on Dec 8, 2020 20:00:24 GMT -6
If you want to say that someone getting a degree in general studies is nothing then you do that. But I know many people who are grateful for that opportunity. And just getting a degree like helps out a lot compared to having nothing. Many of these athletes are coming from families that have no college graduates. I think they’d call it a pretty big deal. That is admirable for sure. But the NFL minimum salary is more in one year than a general studies degree will yield in 10-12 years. NFL minimum salary is more than a lot of jobs. But not every player from the hundreds of schools get the opportunity of an NFL deal. A very select few get that. So a college degree, no matter the field, is very beneficial to the large majority of players who never sign an NFL contract
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Dec 8, 2020 20:10:09 GMT -6
That is admirable for sure. But the NFL minimum salary is more in one year than a general studies degree will yield in 10-12 years. NFL minimum salary is more than a lot of jobs. But not every player from the hundreds of schools get the opportunity of an NFL deal. A very select few get that. So a college degree, no matter the field, is very beneficial to the large majority of players who never sign an NFL contract Right. I was talking about Marshall opting out. Didn’t realize the conversation had taken a turn away from that.
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Post by jhodgegrad on Dec 8, 2020 20:18:57 GMT -6
NFL minimum salary is more than a lot of jobs. But not every player from the hundreds of schools get the opportunity of an NFL deal. A very select few get that. So a college degree, no matter the field, is very beneficial to the large majority of players who never sign an NFL contract Right. I was talking about Marshall opting out. Didn’t realize the conversation had taken a turn away from that. Yeah it’s gone everywhere😂
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Post by iknownuthing on Dec 9, 2020 18:02:11 GMT -6
And this line of reasoning is why there needs to be a change in structure because getting a college degree can be life changing for your family for generations also. It is time to get these types of players out of college football and into a farm system for the NFL. Let's start paying them right out of high school and let the NFL pay the price to take care of their needs instead of the universities. The issue is that nobody really wants to discuss the not so secret "dirty secret" involving major (and in some cases minor) college football and men's basketball. That a large percentage, most likely a vast majority of the players would not choose to attend the university if the concept of college athletics did not exist. I often wonder what the response of fans would be if the college football and basketball landscape was built upon student athletes who would be attending college regardless of athletics. If Saturday nights in Tiger Stadium meant watching the 5'10 185lb accounting, engineering, finance, fine arts, biology/chemistry majors competing instead of 6'1 220lb interdisciplinary study majors. That college degree you refer to isn't really life changing for the majority of interdisciplinary studies or sports administration majors. Obviously it can only be a thought experiment, but I do believe it is an enlightening one. I often apply the same parameters to HS athletics. Would ________ be attending _________ school if HS sports were magically blipped out of existence. That said, I have no problems with the kids looking out for themselves because as someone who has been a part of the of it--major college athletic programs aren't really looking out for them. Those interdisciplinary degrees certainly can lead to life change if you put forth the right effort such as law school. But it takes a right mind. I totally agree that we need to return college sports to the student athlete and not those just waiting for the NFL to call.
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Post by TornadoFootball on Dec 12, 2020 18:29:17 GMT -6
Mannnnn, are we seriously here as grown men bashing kids for making a decision to leave a situation in search for a better one? I'd do the same thing if I was in his shoes. It ain't quitting on the team at all. I wouldn't dare play a meaningless down for the pride of the school when I could sit out and make at least half a million dollars in a years time. If it's high school players doing it, that's a different story cause you won't make 500k playing college football. But this kid is only tryna take the safer route to make sure he can fix any financial insecurity his family has. Just imagine if he was to play tonight and have a career ending injury, that's 500k that he missed out on. Ima big butt LSU fan, but not to the extent to where I want a kid to possibly miss his lifelong dream so I can be entertained and have something to brag about.
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Post by retired on Dec 12, 2020 19:22:47 GMT -6
Mannnnn, are we seriously here as grown men bashing kids for making a decision to leave a situation in search for a better one? I'd do the same thing if I was in his shoes. It ain't quitting on the team at all. I wouldn't dare play a meaningless down for the pride of the school when I could sit out and make at least half a million dollars in a years time. If it's high school players doing it, that's a different story cause you won't make 500k playing college football. But this kid is only tryna take the safer route to make sure he can fix any financial insecurity his family has. Just imagine if he was to play tonight and have a career ending injury, that's 500k that he missed out on. Ima big butt LSU fan, but not to the extent to where I want a kid to possibly miss his lifelong dream so I can be entertained and have something to brag about. I think the contention is over the words "meaningless". I suppose nearly ALL of the student-athletes are playing meaningless downs at all times, since it seems your definition of meaningful down would be a down that would increase a players marketability. Is it that different than a HS player sitting out to protect his scholarship opportunities?
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Post by retired on Dec 13, 2020 7:18:14 GMT -6
The issue is that nobody really wants to discuss the not so secret "dirty secret" involving major (and in some cases minor) college football and men's basketball. That a large percentage, most likely a vast majority of the players would not choose to attend the university if the concept of college athletics did not exist. I often wonder what the response of fans would be if the college football and basketball landscape was built upon student athletes who would be attending college regardless of athletics. If Saturday nights in Tiger Stadium meant watching the 5'10 185lb accounting, engineering, finance, fine arts, biology/chemistry majors competing instead of 6'1 220lb interdisciplinary study majors. That college degree you refer to isn't really life changing for the majority of interdisciplinary studies or sports administration majors. Obviously it can only be a thought experiment, but I do believe it is an enlightening one. I often apply the same parameters to HS athletics. Would ________ be attending _________ school if HS sports were magically blipped out of existence. That said, I have no problems with the kids looking out for themselves because as someone who has been a part of the of it--major college athletic programs aren't really looking out for them. Those interdisciplinary degrees certainly can lead to life change if you put forth the right effort such as law school. But it takes a right mind. I totally agree that we need to return college sports to the student athlete and not those just waiting for the NFL to call. What you say is factually correct. I would argue though that if a person was inherently inclined to put that kind of effort into their academics to be able to be admitted to law school- they would probably following a different academic plan of study in the first place. A student possessing the academic prowess to earn a high enough undergraduate GPA and prerequisite LSAT score to gain law school admission and choosing to pursue one of those degrees probably represents a very small percentage
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