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Post by reallywashedup on Sept 25, 2021 19:51:47 GMT -6
August 27, 2017 USA Today Sports section about Louisiana coach. Enough said. I am not saying they are cheating, just that they have tons of resources with alum and boosters. I bet about 90% of the high school programs in Louisiana operate on far less than the interest drawn annually from the West Monroe booster fund. It’s a great place to live, a tight community and a tremendous program, why wouldn’t they get great players? Players move in, because there are opportunities for jobs and so on for their parents. It isn’t cheating but it is recruiting. If players move in legitimately, it’s just the way it is. It is probably more community support than anything else.
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Post by jhtiger on Sept 25, 2021 21:48:51 GMT -6
Wellllll, it’s not as great a place as it once was. Crime is up and recruiting is down! Just run a quick google search on WM lhsaa violations, see what pops up from this squeaky clean bastion of education.
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Post by logictrumpsemotion03 on Sept 25, 2021 21:59:22 GMT -6
Wellllll, it’s not as great a place as it once was. Crime is up and recruiting is down! Just run a quick google search on WM lhsaa violations, see what pops up from this squeaky clean bastion of education. How did Ouachita get Rayvilles best DE. Get Nevilles best Sopre player. Get the Bradford boys to move back to Louisiana from Dallas in a year? I'll hang up and listen to your answer.
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Post by nlafootbalfan on Sept 26, 2021 1:04:46 GMT -6
Look, WM could be better, but they are still pretty damn good. I stand by what I said WM by 2 scores. Best I can tell, that means by 9 or more points. I will very willingly take that!
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Post by gridiron on Sept 26, 2021 6:53:36 GMT -6
Wellllll, it’s not as great a place as it once was. Crime is up and recruiting is down! Just run a quick google search on WM lhsaa violations, see what pops up from this squeaky clean bastion of education. Plenty of accusations and complaints but no RECRUITING violations at WM Football!!!!
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Post by LATigerFan on Sept 26, 2021 7:08:52 GMT -6
I think WM will beat Neville but I don't see them beating ASH
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Post by GUNSLINGER on Sept 26, 2021 8:31:33 GMT -6
Wellllll, it’s not as great a place as it once was. Crime is up and recruiting is down! Just run a quick google search on WM lhsaa violations, see what pops up from this squeaky clean bastion of education. Plenty of accusations and complaints but no RECRUITING violations at WM Football!!!!August 17, 2017 - Jerry Arledge suspended 4 games after player tampering regrading Bastrop DB Isiah George August 31, 2012 - Don Shows suspended 2 games regarding Ouachita OL Cam Robinson just the two most recent that come to mind
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Post by gridiron on Sept 26, 2021 8:40:30 GMT -6
Plenty of accusations and complaints but no RECRUITING violations at WM Football!!!! August 17, 2017 - Jerry Arledge suspended 4 games after player tampering regrading Bastrop DB Isiah George August 31, 2012 - Don Shows suspended 2 games regarding Ouachita OL Cam Robinson just the two most recent that come to mind #1. Not recruiting violations!! #2. Ticky Tac fouls for illegal contacting of student after the LHSAA had approved their transfer!! Students can not be contacted until the transfer papers have reached both schools even though the transfer has been investigated and approved!! The worst thing you can say is our coaches may be slow learners!!
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Post by fanman on Sept 26, 2021 11:09:36 GMT -6
its misleading to say WM is still not a bastion of football. There are many schools with many more infractions. And violations.
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Post by jhtiger on Sept 26, 2021 11:21:44 GMT -6
Lol. Does anyone seriously believe West Monroe doesn’t and hasn’t attempted to recruit? Good Lord man! Lol!
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Post by fanman on Sept 26, 2021 11:23:25 GMT -6
Good Lord man. Does anyone think many more schools recruit ?
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Post by gridiron on Sept 26, 2021 11:31:00 GMT -6
Lol. Does anyone seriously believe West Monroe doesn’t and hasn’t attempted to recruit? Good Lord man! Lol! Where's the proof?? Nothing but accusations,talk is cheap!!!
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Post by moveallchains on Sept 26, 2021 12:38:28 GMT -6
IF your school recruits, saying others do it also doesn't make it right for your school, lol. I'm not singling out any school, because there are several that do it. When any school has a history of getting (and I don't care how legal they made it on paper) certain transfers from other schools and those transfers just happen to also be very good football players, then it doesn't take Albert Einstein to figure out certain things took place. NO school JUST HAPPENS to get transfers that are good ball players on a pretty regular basis. Maybe every so many years they may get ONE.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Sept 26, 2021 12:42:42 GMT -6
IF your school recruits, saying others do it also doesn't make it right for your school, lol. I'm not singling out any school, because there are several that do it. When any school has a history of getting (and I don't care how legal they made it on paper) certain transfers from other schools and those transfers just happen to also be very good football players, then it doesn't take Albert Einstein to figure out certain things took place. NO school JUST HAPPENS to get transfers that are good ball players on a pretty regular basis. Maybe every so many years they may get ONE. Is it possible that good football players want to play for good programs? And their parents do what they need to do to get their kid enrolled where they want to play? And that the school has nothing to do with it?
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Post by gamewatcher on Sept 26, 2021 12:44:26 GMT -6
don't forget the holdback program is still going on at k-5th grades. was 90%of good kids down to about 40-50%. fanman and longbomb etc, don't deny it.
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Post by fanman on Sept 26, 2021 13:11:04 GMT -6
Why not review other programs WM does no more tha just about all programs. At K 5 who even knows how many schools hold back and even if they do will they play sports maybe not. Lay off the Rebels as being unique with this.
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Post by gridiron on Sept 26, 2021 13:19:15 GMT -6
IF your school recruits, saying others do it also doesn't make it right for your school, lol. I'm not singling out any school, because there are several that do it. When any school has a history of getting (and I don't care how legal they made it on paper) certain transfers from other schools and those transfers just happen to also be very good football players, then it doesn't take Albert Einstein to figure out certain things took place. NO school JUST HAPPENS to get transfers that are good ball players on a pretty regular basis. Maybe every so many years they may get ONE. I disagree!!!! When a team is winning Championships and has great coaching transfers come! That's one reason WM isn't getting many now,we quit winning championships! Cam Robinson transferred for the coaching and he started for Alabama as a freshmen! When he came to WM he just leaned on people and didn't give a lot of effort. When he left he was pancaking defenders fifteen yards down field!
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Post by gridiron on Sept 26, 2021 13:23:50 GMT -6
don't forget the holdback program is still going on at k-5th grades. was 90%of good kids down to about 40-50%. fanman and longbomb etc, don't deny it. When Shows came he said we couldn't compete with all the holdbacks at Ouachita and Neville! He decided to join the crowd and the holdbacks started! When we started winning the hold back kings started crying and the rules got changed!!! Do you know anything other than stuff you heard people talking about?
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Post by retired on Sept 26, 2021 13:24:54 GMT -6
. NO school JUST HAPPENS to get transfers that are good ball players on a pretty regular basis. Maybe every so many years they may get ONE. I don't think this is an accurate statement- not in the 2021 world of sports. We are 20-25 years into travel ball being as popular if not more popular than regular park ball, and it is manifesting itself in several ways. Parents looking to (legally or illegally) have their children play where they want them to play and college athletes immediately looking to transfer as soon as they run into playing time issues are two of them.
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Post by bhossmac on Sept 26, 2021 13:27:19 GMT -6
That's a joke. West Monroe doesn't have a zone. In the past, if they wanted somebody, they got them. There is a long, documented history dating back to my days in high school of players magically showing up at West Monroe. I know of at least three starting QBs at West Monroe who either lived in or started previously at a school in Lincoln Parish. West Monroe cannot talk about anybody else's advantages. That ship sailed a long time ago. The difference is the LHSAA investigated every single one of them!!! When you don't have zones there's no need to move thus a lot more transfers!! Sail that ship!!! Again, there isn't a single soul who is going to listen to West Monroe fans complain about other schools getting transfers and not laugh out loud. It's hilarious.
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Post by gridiron on Sept 26, 2021 13:46:28 GMT -6
The difference is the LHSAA investigated every single one of them!!! When you don't have zones there's no need to move thus a lot more transfers!! Sail that ship!!! Again, there isn't a single soul who is going to listen to West Monroe fans complain about other schools getting transfers and not laugh out loud. It's hilarious. Just as I thought, you have nothing!!!!! I never said WM didn't get transfers. My argument besides people like you using the word recruiting that don't know what they're talking about is if one public School doesn't have zones then no public school should have zones!! It has to be either or!!!!
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Post by jhtiger on Sept 26, 2021 16:40:18 GMT -6
IF your school recruits, saying others do it also doesn't make it right for your school, lol. I'm not singling out any school, because there are several that do it. When any school has a history of getting (and I don't care how legal they made it on paper) certain transfers from other schools and those transfers just happen to also be very good football players, then it doesn't take Albert Einstein to figure out certain things took place. NO school JUST HAPPENS to get transfers that are good ball players on a pretty regular basis. Maybe every so many years they may get ONE. Is it possible that good football players want to play for good programs? And their parents do what they need to do to get their kid enrolled where they want to play? And that the school has nothing to do with it? Yes, and isn’t it also possible that the same parents get help in how to make that move “legally”, which in itself is recruiting? 3rd parties need not have any affiliation with the school, but if an athlete moves there for athletic reasons, it is 100% illegal no matter if it’s buying a house, have a deal worked on on public housing, or any other outside “help” that makes it happen.
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Post by logictrumpsemotion03 on Sept 26, 2021 16:57:59 GMT -6
Is it possible that good football players want to play for good programs? And their parents do what they need to do to get their kid enrolled where they want to play? And that the school has nothing to do with it? Yes, and isn’t it also possible that the same parents get help in how to make that move “legally”, which in itself is recruiting? 3rd parties need not have any affiliation with the school, but if an athlete moves there for athletic reasons, it is 100% illegal no matter if it’s buying a house, have a deal worked on on public housing, or any other outside “help” that makes it happen. Happens everywhere where winning matters.
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Post by moveallchains on Sept 26, 2021 17:28:25 GMT -6
Yes, once a program starts winning championships on a regular basis, players want to come play at that school. Where did those great players come from to win those first championships? They didn't flock there to play for a winning program because that program wasn't winning. So they left other schools to come play for a so-so team? None were recruited, lol? They just decided they wanted to play for that school. Like bhossmac said,,,anybody listens to WM complain about recruiting is gonna just laugh out loud. And I'm in no way pointing out just WM, there are several others. Most of us know who the others are. Anybody that actually believes certain schools don't recruit would probably believe a bucket of milk comes from a bull.
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Post by moveallchains on Sept 26, 2021 17:30:35 GMT -6
Curtis, WM, and ECA being accused of recruiting and them denying it, is probably the most common argument on this board. If there's a more common one, someone please tell me what it is, lol.
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Post by fanman on Sept 26, 2021 17:38:16 GMT -6
That can only be answered by Sir Sixpack
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Post by gridiron on Sept 26, 2021 17:58:07 GMT -6
Yes, once a program starts winning championships on a regular basis, players want to come play at that school. Where did those great players come from to win those first championships? They didn't flock there to play for a winning program because that program wasn't winning. So they left other schools to come play for a so-so team? None were recruited, lol? They just decided they wanted to play for that school. Like bhossmac said,,,anybody listens to WM complain about recruiting is gonna just laugh out loud. And I'm in no way pointing out just WM, there are several others. Most of us know who the others are. Anybody that actually believes certain schools don't recruit would probably believe a bucket of milk comes from a bull. When Coach Shows came before long he had a more mature team as did the rest of our district. He introduced the option which was hard to defend and in the mid nineties he had three exceptional year classes come through which WM has not had since! He won Championships with those three classes and also transfers that wanted to be a part of it!!! See, It's usually not the way you think it is it's the way it really is which is why I take exception to the false accusations!!!!
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Post by moveallchains on Sept 26, 2021 18:54:35 GMT -6
And there's usually three sides to every story. Your side, my side, and the truth. But my knowledge of WM football wouldn't scratch the surface of your knowledge of WM football. So I'm in no way qualified to point-counter-point with you about the subject. You've been around WM long enough to know what goes on. All I can go by is what I read from Evangel, Ouachita, and Neville posters write on here. I would assume all of y'all have some truth to what y'all write. Down here, I know a bit about Eunice, Notre Dame, and STM football. And you can believe me when I say they ALL have at least a couple of skeletons in their closets, lol. Gonna go eat me another plate of purple hull peas, then sit in the back yard a while, and then head on to bed. Hope you have a good nights rest.
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Post by gridiron on Sept 26, 2021 19:28:54 GMT -6
And there's usually three sides to every story. Your side, my side, and the truth. But my knowledge of WM football wouldn't scratch the surface of your knowledge of WM football. So I'm in no way qualified to point-counter-point with you about the subject. You've been around WM long enough to know what goes on. All I can go by is what I read from Evangel, Ouachita, and Neville posters write on here. I would assume all of y'all have some truth to what y'all write. Down here, I know a bit about Eunice, Notre Dame, and STM football. And you can believe me when I say they ALL have at least a couple of skeletons in their closets, lol. Gonna go eat me another plate of purple hull peas, then sit in the back yard a while, and then head on to bed. Hope you have a good nights rest. I post on here to people like you that have heard all the fairy tales and don't really have an ax to grind!! I don't and won't come on here and intentionally lie to cover for WM! There is an element on here that refuse to believe that WM has kicked their tales for twenty five years without recruiting because it would be too painful otherwise!!! I know I will never change their minds!! You have a good night as well.
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Post by bhossmac on Sept 26, 2021 20:26:17 GMT -6
Yes, once a program starts winning championships on a regular basis, players want to come play at that school. Where did those great players come from to win those first championships? They didn't flock there to play for a winning program because that program wasn't winning. So they left other schools to come play for a so-so team? None were recruited, lol? They just decided they wanted to play for that school. Like bhossmac said,,,anybody listens to WM complain about recruiting is gonna just laugh out loud. And I'm in no way pointing out just WM, there are several others. Most of us know who the others are. Anybody that actually believes certain schools don't recruit would probably believe a bucket of milk comes from a bull. When Coach Shows came before long he had a more mature team as did the rest of our district. He introduced the option which was hard to defend and in the mid nineties he had three exceptional year classes come through which WM has not had since! He won Championships with those three classes and also transfers that wanted to be a part of it!!! See, It's usually not the way you think it is it's the way it really is which is why I take exception to the false accusations!!!! Bradie James, Cam Robinson, DJ Banks, the Cedar Creek QB whose name escapes me, Jon Randall Belton ... These are just a few off the top of my head who were not West Monroe guys who suddenly found themselves on that side of the river in Ouachita Parish. I'm sure there are dozens more who I can't think of right now. I know recruiting happens. I've had friends who were recruited. I've had friends' kids who were recruited. Does it usually come from the coaching staff? No. It usually comes from boosters. But that's still recruiting. But I'm not the one who mentioned recruiting. I used the word transfer. Whether they are legal transfers or not, West Monroe has built its program on the backs of players who started their high school careers at other schools. So any West Monroe person who points the finger at another program for getting transfers is simply laughable.
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