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Post by TheFireman89 on Oct 17, 2021 11:25:39 GMT -6
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Post by fridaynights on Oct 17, 2021 11:34:26 GMT -6
Shouldn’t this be on other thread
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Post by cjr3888 on Oct 17, 2021 13:04:29 GMT -6
Good move. When you’re involved in covering up sexual assault and domestic violence you should be fired. The fact that others involved are still employed and were barely even reprimanded is another embarrassing part of the story. Also just read that O tried to pick up a woman at a gas station. She told him that she was married and pregnant. His response, “Why does that matter”. That just so happened to the wife of a high ranking LSU official. Dude is a creep.
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Post by swlaprepfan on Oct 17, 2021 16:51:13 GMT -6
The only move, in my opinion. They better hit a home run on this next hire or the “golden era of LSU football” will be over., and before you say it’s already over, just remember they are only two years removed from one of the greatest college football rosters of all time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2021 17:02:19 GMT -6
They should push for Napier...dude is already in Louisiana, built UL into a national brand, and his offensive philosophy would jive well in Tigerland. The biggest issue I had with O was the literal abandonment of a power run game until the Florida game this year. Grant it he was trying to appease the masses calling for a more modern offense, but LSU will always be a power run team at it's core.
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Post by swlaprepfan on Oct 17, 2021 17:09:45 GMT -6
They should push for Napier...dude is already in Louisiana, built UL into a national brand, and his offensive philosophy would jive well in Tigerland. The biggest issue I had with O was the literal abandonment of a power run game until the Florida game this year. Grant it he was trying to appease the masses calling for a more modern offense, but LSU will always be a power run team at it's core. Risky, but I’m not gonna rule it out. Tiger fans will undoubtedly start throwing around names like Gruden and Meyer, but let’s be realistic here - that ain’t happening. It may be time for LSU to take a calculated risk on an up and comer and Napier is definitely on that list. Not sure if the Louisiana ties help or hurt him though?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2021 18:58:02 GMT -6
They should push for Napier...dude is already in Louisiana, built UL into a national brand, and his offensive philosophy would jive well in Tigerland. The biggest issue I had with O was the literal abandonment of a power run game until the Florida game this year. Grant it he was trying to appease the masses calling for a more modern offense, but LSU will always be a power run team at it's core. Risky, but I’m not gonna rule it out. Tiger fans will undoubtedly start throwing around names like Gruden and Meyer, but let’s be realistic here - that ain’t happening. It may be time for LSU to take a calculated risk on an up and comer and Napier is definitely on that list. Not sure if the Louisiana ties help or hurt him though? Napier is a risk, but he took one of the worst Sun Belt teams and made them respectable. Pretty good considering he has to compete with LSU and other regional Power 5 schools for recruits. Hell, Jamey Chadwell at C.Carolina would be another proven up and comer with a run first philosophy. A bigger risk would be a Jeff Monken lol. Imagine LSU running the flexbone. I don’t know if Meyer would be a good hire. Dude is good for a couple seasons before he decides he wants out. He might decide to pull a Saban and abandon the NFL after one year, but LSU isn’t a fit for him. He’d be better with a more stable team set up to win now. Gruden is unhirable. You can’t justify hiring him after what just went down. Plus, he has had no real success. He won a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy’s Buccaneer team, and that was a one year wonder. Dude couldn’t replicate that success on his own.
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Post by TheFireman89 on Oct 17, 2021 22:03:24 GMT -6
Some early candidates after reading several articles
Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M HC Luke Fickell, Cincinnati HC Billy Napier, UL-Lafayette HC Lane Kiffin, Ole Miss HC Mel Tucker, Michigan State HC James Franklin, Penn State HC Matt Campbell, Iowa State HC Dave Aranda, Baylor HC Bill O'Brien, Alabama OC Chris Peterson, former Boise State/Washington HC Joe Brady, Carolina Panthers OC Eric Bieniemy, Kansas City Chiefs OC Jamey Chadwell, Coastal Carolina HC Mario Cristobal, Oregon HC Hugh Freeze, Liberty HC
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Oct 17, 2021 22:06:03 GMT -6
Some early candidates after reading several articles Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M HC Luke Fickell, Cincinnati HC Billy Napier, UL-Lafayette HC Lane Kiffin, Ole Miss HC Mel Tucker, Michigan State HC James Franklin, Penn State HC Matt Campbell, Iowa State HC Dave Aranda, Baylor HC Bill O'Brien, Alabama OC Chris Peterson, former Boise State/Washington HC Joe Brady, Carolina Panthers OC Eric Bieniemy, Kansas City Chiefs OC Jamey Chadwell, Coastal Carolina HC Mario Cristobal, Oregon HC Hugh Freeze, Liberty HC I think it’ll be one of: Mel Tucker, Dave Aranda or Mario Cristobal
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Post by TheFireman89 on Oct 17, 2021 22:27:11 GMT -6
Some early candidates after reading several articles Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M HC Luke Fickell, Cincinnati HC Billy Napier, UL-Lafayette HC Lane Kiffin, Ole Miss HC Mel Tucker, Michigan State HC James Franklin, Penn State HC Matt Campbell, Iowa State HC Dave Aranda, Baylor HC Bill O'Brien, Alabama OC Chris Peterson, former Boise State/Washington HC Joe Brady, Carolina Panthers OC Eric Bieniemy, Kansas City Chiefs OC Jamey Chadwell, Coastal Carolina HC Mario Cristobal, Oregon HC Hugh Freeze, Liberty HC I think it’ll be one of: Mel Tucker, Dave Aranda or Mario Cristobal Personally I think Cristobal is one of the least likely on this list. Oregon has a lot of financial stroke and can throw money at him to stay. Ducks have proven they can be a national title contender with two runner up finishes since 2010, if they shell out the big bucks then why not just stay and continue to build and dominate the Pac 12
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Post by swlaprepfan on Oct 18, 2021 6:09:36 GMT -6
I think it’ll be one of: Mel Tucker, Dave Aranda or Mario Cristobal Personally I think Cristobal is one of the least likely on this list. Oregon has a lot of financial stroke and can throw money at him to stay. Ducks have proven they can be a national title contender with two runner up finishes since 2010, if they shell out the big bucks then why not just stay and continue to build and dominate the Pac 12 Gonna throw this one out there, as I have heard nothing that would indicate it is being considered, but Bill O'Brien is out there. The pro game may not have been his forte, but he did a great job at Penn State after all of the distractions post-Paterno. At one time he was the most coveted coach out there. LSU does not have the money to go after a lot of the established coaches, especially Fisher. This will be a difficult hire no matter the route they chose. LSU fans will worship you at your best, but kick the ever living s&%* out of you when your down - the extremes of both ends may be more than any other coaching job in the nation. It takes a special mindset to navigate that. Oh yeah, on top of this, you better win 10 games a year, while playing a ridiculous schedule and win a National Championship every once in a while (Wait didn't Miles do this?). Anyways, best of luck to whoever gets it, you will earn every dime of that salary.
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Post by Seabiscuit on Oct 18, 2021 8:18:34 GMT -6
believe the best hire would be someone who is winning big games with less talent, that being said Mel Tucker, Luke Fickell, Billy Napier, James Franklin, Matt Campbell, would be the ones I looked most but not the AD but I am sure he is going to hire the best coach for the job
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Post by wildcat on Oct 18, 2021 9:23:42 GMT -6
believe the best hire would be someone who is winning big games with less talent, that being said Mel Tucker, Luke Fickell, Billy Napier, James Franklin, Matt Campbell, would be the ones I looked most but not the AD but I am sure he is going to hire the best coach for the job You also need to take $ into consideration. LSU is going to pay him $17 million to walk away, they are paying him $17 million to quit after the season. You also need to consider what some of these coaches buy out clauses are. Some are in the millions and then you need to consider the $ needed to hire them. I don’t know what Saban and Dabo make but I’m sure whoever they hire will want a contract stipulation where if they win the natty they become the highest paid coach in the country. This could easily be a $50 million expense to get a new coach at LSU. Would you be interested in leaving a job where you are highly successful and respected and taking a job that is firing their HC 2 years after winning a National Championship and one of those years being Covid releated?
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Post by Seabiscuit on Oct 18, 2021 9:52:01 GMT -6
believe the best hire would be someone who is winning big games with less talent, that being said Mel Tucker, Luke Fickell, Billy Napier, James Franklin, Matt Campbell, would be the ones I looked most but not the AD but I am sure he is going to hire the best coach for the job You also need to take $ into consideration. LSU is going to pay him $17 million to walk away, they are paying him $17 million to quit after the season. You also need to consider what some of these coaches buy out clauses are. Some are in the millions and then you need to consider the $ needed to hire them. I don’t know what Saban and Dabo make but I’m sure whoever they hire will want a contract stipulation where if they win the natty they become the highest paid coach in the country. This could easily be a $50 million expense to get a new coach at LSU. Would you be interested in leaving a job where you are highly successful and respected and taking a job that is firing their HC 2 years after winning a National Championship and one of those years being Covid releated? agree with you that's why I said a coach who is winning with less. Meaning less of a program less money and less talent. Now question is they are going to have to be winning consistently doesnt mean national titles every year but does include being ranked in the top 10 every year. I hate to see coach O go because I liked Coach O but LSU has way too much talent to not be in the top 15 and heck we are not even in the top 25
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Post by swlaprepfan on Oct 18, 2021 10:00:49 GMT -6
You also need to take $ into consideration. LSU is going to pay him $17 million to walk away, they are paying him $17 million to quit after the season. You also need to consider what some of these coaches buy out clauses are. Some are in the millions and then you need to consider the $ needed to hire them. I don’t know what Saban and Dabo make but I’m sure whoever they hire will want a contract stipulation where if they win the natty they become the highest paid coach in the country. This could easily be a $50 million expense to get a new coach at LSU. Would you be interested in leaving a job where you are highly successful and respected and taking a job that is firing their HC 2 years after winning a National Championship and one of those years being Covid releated? agree with you that's why I said a coach who is winning with less. Meaning less of a program less money and less talent. Now question is they are going to have to be winning consistently doesnt mean national titles every year but does include being ranked in the top 10 every year. I hate to see coach O go because I liked Coach O but LSU has way too much talent to not be in the top 15 and heck we are not even in the top 25 Coach O was only the coach at LSU because of the way they bungled the Miles departure. It was common knowledge among most insiders that he lacked the maturity necessary to lead a program like LSU. He was always seen as a good defensive line coach and great recruiter, but never really cut out for a power 5 job. He lucked into the LSU job and 17 million, I'd say it worked out for him.
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Post by mel on Oct 21, 2021 1:01:41 GMT -6
Good move. When you’re involved in covering up sexual assault and domestic violence you should be fired. The fact that others involved are still employed and were barely even reprimanded is another embarrassing part of the story. Also just read that O tried to pick up a woman at a gas station. She told him that she was married and pregnant. His response, “Why does that matter”. That just so happened to the wife of a high ranking LSU official. Dude is a creep.
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Post by thetruth on Oct 21, 2021 7:44:43 GMT -6
Need a good upcoming coach that is humble and can handle the ups and downs of the job and the life that comes with it. I don't believe it has to be this big name. That is whats wrong with the program now is all that comes with these "big names". Lets create a big name by his work ethic and total buy in to the LSU program by coaches and players. I would love for them to hire Billy Napier. I believe he is that guy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 8:00:04 GMT -6
Need a good upcoming coach that is humble and can handle the ups and downs of the job and the life that comes with it. I don't believe it has to be this big name. That is whats wrong with the program now is all that comes with these "big names". Lets create a big name by his work ethic and total buy in to the LSU program by coaches and players. I would love for them to hire Billy Napier. I believe he is that guy. It has to be someone that can maintain stability and not get caught up in the mess that is the Title IX lawsuit. LSU is about to be in bad spot. I agree that Napier can be that guy, but will Scott Woodward even make a whole-hearted attempt at him is the question. Reports are saying that Woodward wants to go after big name Power 5 head coaches with a good track record. The boosters and politicians are probably influencing that line of thinking...they are very high on Mel Tucker for some reason, even though Tucker hasn't actually done anything substantial yet. So, the good news for Napier fans is that LSU actually doesn't have the money to outbid most programs for their HC. They still owe Orgeron 17 million, so offering a fat check to get a Jimbo Fisher, or even James Franklin and Dabo, would be impossible unless those coaches are just willing to leave their respective schools for less money. Realistically the only choices are Mel Tucker, and everybody else below the Power 5. I think they offer the biggest names first to get the fans off their backs, then appease the politicians with a Mel Tucker offer. And if he declines, probably won't, Woodward will settle for someone like Napier. The last thing they want right now is to feel like they had to settle.
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Post by thetruth on Oct 21, 2021 11:10:03 GMT -6
Need a good upcoming coach that is humble and can handle the ups and downs of the job and the life that comes with it. I don't believe it has to be this big name. That is whats wrong with the program now is all that comes with these "big names". Lets create a big name by his work ethic and total buy in to the LSU program by coaches and players. I would love for them to hire Billy Napier. I believe he is that guy. It has to be someone that can maintain stability and not get caught up in the mess that is the Title IX lawsuit. LSU is about to be in bad spot. I agree that Napier can be that guy, but will Scott Woodward even make a whole-hearted attempt at him is the question. Reports are saying that Woodward wants to go after big name Power 5 head coaches with a good track record. The boosters and politicians are probably influencing that line of thinking...they are very high on Mel Tucker for some reason, even though Tucker hasn't actually done anything substantial yet. So, the good news for Napier fans is that LSU actually doesn't have the money to outbid most programs for their HC. They still owe Orgeron 17 million, so offering a fat check to get a Jimbo Fisher, or even James Franklin and Dabo, would be impossible unless those coaches are just willing to leave their respective schools for less money. Realistically the only choices are Mel Tucker, and everybody else below the Power 5. I think they offer the biggest names first to get the fans off their backs, then appease the politicians with a Mel Tucker offer. And if he declines, probably won't, Woodward will settle for someone like Napier. The last thing they want right now is to feel like they had to settle. I agree with most of that. That approach is the same they did last time which landed them Coach O who was not a bad hire at the time but that feeling of settling is what made most people upset. If LSU shoots for the best and don't get them again the look is they settled yet again. You pick a guy who is a perfect fit for what you need for less money but he is the guy you want and your 1st choice now that is win all the way around and let him make you right!!
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Post by lsu88 on Oct 21, 2021 20:44:13 GMT -6
Need a good upcoming coach that is humble and can handle the ups and downs of the job and the life that comes with it. I don't believe it has to be this big name. That is whats wrong with the program now is all that comes with these "big names". Lets create a big name by his work ethic and total buy in to the LSU program by coaches and players. I would love for them to hire Billy Napier. I believe he is that guy. It has to be someone that can maintain stability and not get caught up in the mess that is the Title IX lawsuit. LSU is about to be in bad spot. I agree that Napier can be that guy, but will Scott Woodward even make a whole-hearted attempt at him is the question. Reports are saying that Woodward wants to go after big name Power 5 head coaches with a good track record. The boosters and politicians are probably influencing that line of thinking...they are very high on Mel Tucker for some reason, even though Tucker hasn't actually done anything substantial yet. So, the good news for Napier fans is that LSU actually doesn't have the money to outbid most programs for their HC. They still owe Orgeron 17 million, so offering a fat check to get a Jimbo Fisher, or even James Franklin and Dabo, would be impossible unless those coaches are just willing to leave their respective schools for less money. Realistically the only choices are Mel Tucker, and everybody else below the Power 5. I think they offer the biggest names first to get the fans off their backs, then appease the politicians with a Mel Tucker offer. And if he declines, probably won't, Woodward will settle for someone like Napier. The last thing they want right now is to feel like they had to settle. Money will not be a issue in getting a coach at LSU. Lsu is one of the top jobs in the country and will have plenty of interest. Think about it, since 2003 LSU is the only school in the nation to win 3 championships with 3 different coaches. So you don’t have to be a great coach to win at LSU with all the talent they get year in and year out.
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Post by lsu88 on Oct 21, 2021 20:45:46 GMT -6
It has to be someone that can maintain stability and not get caught up in the mess that is the Title IX lawsuit. LSU is about to be in bad spot. I agree that Napier can be that guy, but will Scott Woodward even make a whole-hearted attempt at him is the question. Reports are saying that Woodward wants to go after big name Power 5 head coaches with a good track record. The boosters and politicians are probably influencing that line of thinking...they are very high on Mel Tucker for some reason, even though Tucker hasn't actually done anything substantial yet. So, the good news for Napier fans is that LSU actually doesn't have the money to outbid most programs for their HC. They still owe Orgeron 17 million, so offering a fat check to get a Jimbo Fisher, or even James Franklin and Dabo, would be impossible unless those coaches are just willing to leave their respective schools for less money. Realistically the only choices are Mel Tucker, and everybody else below the Power 5. I think they offer the biggest names first to get the fans off their backs, then appease the politicians with a Mel Tucker offer. And if he declines, probably won't, Woodward will settle for someone like Napier. The last thing they want right now is to feel like they had to settle. I agree with most of that. That approach is the same they did last time which landed them Coach O who was not a bad hire at the time but that feeling of settling is what made most people upset. If LSU shoots for the best and don't get them again the look is they settled yet again. You pick a guy who is a perfect fit for what you need for less money but he is the guy you want and your 1st choice now that is win all the way around and let him make you right!! The difference this time is we got Scott Woodward doing the hiring.
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Post by cjr3888 on Nov 4, 2021 13:56:22 GMT -6
It has to be someone that can maintain stability and not get caught up in the mess that is the Title IX lawsuit. LSU is about to be in bad spot. I agree that Napier can be that guy, but will Scott Woodward even make a whole-hearted attempt at him is the question. Reports are saying that Woodward wants to go after big name Power 5 head coaches with a good track record. The boosters and politicians are probably influencing that line of thinking...they are very high on Mel Tucker for some reason, even though Tucker hasn't actually done anything substantial yet. So, the good news for Napier fans is that LSU actually doesn't have the money to outbid most programs for their HC. They still owe Orgeron 17 million, so offering a fat check to get a Jimbo Fisher, or even James Franklin and Dabo, would be impossible unless those coaches are just willing to leave their respective schools for less money. Realistically the only choices are Mel Tucker, and everybody else below the Power 5. I think they offer the biggest names first to get the fans off their backs, then appease the politicians with a Mel Tucker offer. And if he declines, probably won't, Woodward will settle for someone like Napier. The last thing they want right now is to feel like they had to settle. Money will not be a issue in getting a coach at LSU. Lsu is one of the top jobs in the country and will have plenty of interest. Think about it, since 2003 LSU is the only school in the nation to win 3 championships with 3 different coaches. So you don’t have to be a great coach to win at LSU with all the talent they get year in and year out. Money might not be an issue BUT the Title IX investigation, FBI investigation, sexual assault coverup investigation, and the other off the field problems will be an issue. The fact that certain people are still employed by LSU is an embarrassment.
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