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Post by damonster on Jan 29, 2022 13:04:14 GMT -6
Wondering if this begins this season or next?
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Post by coach4christ on Jan 29, 2022 18:37:34 GMT -6
Next. It cuts off 4 days from the regular season.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jan 30, 2022 21:57:24 GMT -6
Wondering if this begins this season or next? Next change: letting the lower seed host game 1 in the midweek of every playoff round. Then play a doubleheader on Saturday at the higher seed |
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Post by dogwalk on Jan 31, 2022 10:59:04 GMT -6
Wondering if this begins this season or next? Next change: letting the lower seed host game 1 in the midweek of every playoff round. Then play a doubleheader on Saturday at the higher seed Not a fan…then that allows a team to throw their best arm in more than one game. The whole point of a 2 out of 3 is to find out who the best team is. Not who has the best pitcher. |
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jan 31, 2022 11:41:27 GMT -6
Next change: letting the lower seed host game 1 in the midweek of every playoff round. Then play a doubleheader on Saturday at the higher seed Not a fan…then that allows a team to throw their best arm in more than one game. The whole point of a 2 out of 3 is to find out who the best team is. Not who has the best pitcher. I think lower seeded teams will take that in exchange for getting their best gate of the season. We’ve taken away ability for lower seeds to host in the playoffs and it’s time to give some back. Plus the higher seeds still host two of the possible three games including the all-important game 3. They can clear their fields in between to get two gates Plus don’t think pitchers are going 7 on a Wednesday and 7 on a Saturday. It helps the pitching for game 3s of those series as well compared to what we have now. Most series now are Fri-Sat-Sat. If they become Wed-Sat-Sat then more relievers (not the starters) from game 1 will be available for game 3. |
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Post by astrosnation on Jan 31, 2022 12:11:29 GMT -6
Not a fan…then that allows a team to throw their best arm in more than one game. The whole point of a 2 out of 3 is to find out who the best team is. Not who has the best pitcher. I think lower seeded teams will take that in exchange for getting their best gate of the season. We’ve taken away ability for lower seeds to host in the playoffs and it’s time to give some back. Plus the higher seeds still host two of the possible three games including the all-important game 3. They can clear their fields in between to get two gates Plus don’t think pitchers are going 7 on a Wednesday and 7 on a Saturday. It helps the pitching for game 3s of those series as well compared to what we have now. Most series now are Fri-Sat-Sat. If they become Wed-Sat-Sat then more relievers (not the starters) from game 1 will be available for game 3. I think more people would be on board if it was Thursday-Sat-Sat. That way coach would need to decide if they want burn their pitcher after 50 pitches. |
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jan 31, 2022 12:48:15 GMT -6
I think lower seeded teams will take that in exchange for getting their best gate of the season. We’ve taken away ability for lower seeds to host in the playoffs and it’s time to give some back. Plus the higher seeds still host two of the possible three games including the all-important game 3. They can clear their fields in between to get two gates Plus don’t think pitchers are going 7 on a Wednesday and 7 on a Saturday. It helps the pitching for game 3s of those series as well compared to what we have now. Most series now are Fri-Sat-Sat. If they become Wed-Sat-Sat then more relievers (not the starters) from game 1 will be available for game 3. I think more people would be on board if it was Thursday-Sat-Sat. That way coach would need to decide if they want burn their pitcher after 50 pitches. You do get a lot of rain that time of year though. |
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Post by dogwalk on Jan 31, 2022 13:00:40 GMT -6
Not a fan…then that allows a team to throw their best arm in more than one game. The whole point of a 2 out of 3 is to find out who the best team is. Not who has the best pitcher. I think lower seeded teams will take that in exchange for getting their best gate of the season. We’ve taken away ability for lower seeds to host in the playoffs and it’s time to give some back. Plus the higher seeds still host two of the possible three games including the all-important game 3. They can clear their fields in between to get two gates Plus don’t think pitchers are going 7 on a Wednesday and 7 on a Saturday. It helps the pitching for game 3s of those series as well compared to what we have now. Most series now are Fri-Sat-Sat. If they become Wed-Sat-Sat then more relievers (not the starters) from game 1 will be available for game 3. I’ve seen multiple pitchers go 7 late in the year after 3 days rest…is it ideal, no, but it happens often. When it comes to a do or die situation, you better believe most teams will throw their guy in a game 3 as long as he is effective. I’m also not on bored with a lower seed getting to host, it makes the regular season important. If a team wants to host a play off game…win more regular season ball games. |
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jan 31, 2022 13:49:10 GMT -6
I think lower seeded teams will take that in exchange for getting their best gate of the season. We’ve taken away ability for lower seeds to host in the playoffs and it’s time to give some back. Plus the higher seeds still host two of the possible three games including the all-important game 3. They can clear their fields in between to get two gates Plus don’t think pitchers are going 7 on a Wednesday and 7 on a Saturday. It helps the pitching for game 3s of those series as well compared to what we have now. Most series now are Fri-Sat-Sat. If they become Wed-Sat-Sat then more relievers (not the starters) from game 1 will be available for game 3. I’ve seen multiple pitchers go 7 late in the year after 3 days rest…is it ideal, no, but it happens often. When it comes to a do or die situation, you better believe most teams will throw their guy in a game 3 as long as he is effective. I’m also not on bored with a lower seed getting to host, it makes the regular season important. If a team wants to host a play off game…win more regular season ball games. the lower seed hosts one game and the higher seed hosts two… we can’t talk about the regular season being important when it’s already been so devalued. If the regular season is that important the brackets should be at most 16 teams with all district champions in I thought we had rules that state clearly that if you go 7 you don’t pitch for at least 5 days or a week after. You can’t throw someone who isn’t available in a do or die I think teams should update on a coaches only LHSAA site the last week of the season the pitchers they used and for how long so the coaches can check before a game who’s available and who’s not supposed to be. They’re paid to know these rules. |
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Post by dogwalk on Feb 1, 2022 9:00:25 GMT -6
I’ve seen multiple pitchers go 7 late in the year after 3 days rest…is it ideal, no, but it happens often. When it comes to a do or die situation, you better believe most teams will throw their guy in a game 3 as long as he is effective. I’m also not on bored with a lower seed getting to host, it makes the regular season important. If a team wants to host a play off game…win more regular season ball games. the lower seed hosts one game and the higher seed hosts two… we can’t talk about the regular season being important when it’s already been so devalued. If the regular season is that important the brackets should be at most 16 teams with all district champions in I thought we had rules that state clearly that if you go 7 you don’t pitch for at least 5 days or a week after. You can’t throw someone who isn’t available in a do or die I think teams should update on a coaches only LHSAA site the last week of the season the pitchers they used and for how long so the coaches can check before a game who’s available and who’s not supposed to be. They’re paid to know these rules. We can just agree to disagree on the value of the regular season, you say it’s devalued due to it being a 32 team bracket (I’m assuming due to the split) and I say the high seed host rule would be a driving force for a team to win more games in the regular season for the opportunity to host throughout the playoffs…so we just have a difference in opinion on that one. If you play a ‘midweek game’ you would then be allowing a possible scenario to play out for a team, high seed or low seed, to be able to throw their best arm twice. The pitch count rules clearly state that if a pitcher reaches the maximum of 125 pitches in a start…he must have 3 days rest. After that 3 days, he is good to go, from a rule standpoint, for another 125 pitches. This is not what the 2 out of 3 series was designed for…it was implemented to determine who had the best baseball team, not who has a dude that can beat most teams anytime he toes the rubber. This would allow a lower seed an advantage if said team had one good arm…he would have the opportunity to beat the higher seed twice in a series whereas if you kept the schedules the same Thur-Fri-Fri or Fri-Sat-Sat this would not happen and the beat team would more than likely advance. |
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Post by chalmetteowl on Feb 1, 2022 10:14:46 GMT -6
the lower seed hosts one game and the higher seed hosts two… we can’t talk about the regular season being important when it’s already been so devalued. If the regular season is that important the brackets should be at most 16 teams with all district champions in I thought we had rules that state clearly that if you go 7 you don’t pitch for at least 5 days or a week after. You can’t throw someone who isn’t available in a do or die I think teams should update on a coaches only LHSAA site the last week of the season the pitchers they used and for how long so the coaches can check before a game who’s available and who’s not supposed to be. They’re paid to know these rules. We can just agree to disagree on the value of the regular season, you say it’s devalued due to it being a 32 team bracket (I’m assuming due to the split) and I say the high seed host rule would be a driving force for a team to win more games in the regular season for the opportunity to host throughout the playoffs…so we just have a difference in opinion on that one. If you play a ‘midweek game’ you would then be allowing a possible scenario to play out for a team, high seed or low seed, to be able to throw their best arm twice. The pitch count rules clearly state that if a pitcher reaches the maximum of 125 pitches in a start…he must have 3 days rest. After that 3 days, he is good to go, from a rule standpoint, for another 125 pitches. This is not what the 2 out of 3 series was designed for…it was implemented to determine who had the best baseball team, not who has a dude that can beat most teams anytime he toes the rubber. This would allow a lower seed an advantage if said team had one good arm…he would have the opportunity to beat the higher seed twice in a series whereas if you kept the schedules the same Thur-Fri-Fri or Fri-Sat-Sat this would not happen and the beat team would more than likely advance. I think it’s absurd to let a HS kid throw again 3 days after 125 pitches… that’s MLB starter length. Should be at least five days or a week. But if he throws Wednesday wouldn’t Saturday be the third day of rest? So he couldn’t go again till Sunday. Better pray for rain. And most of the time the better team will have the better arms… |
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Post by dogwalk on Feb 1, 2022 10:52:43 GMT -6
We can just agree to disagree on the value of the regular season, you say it’s devalued due to it being a 32 team bracket (I’m assuming due to the split) and I say the high seed host rule would be a driving force for a team to win more games in the regular season for the opportunity to host throughout the playoffs…so we just have a difference in opinion on that one. If you play a ‘midweek game’ you would then be allowing a possible scenario to play out for a team, high seed or low seed, to be able to throw their best arm twice. The pitch count rules clearly state that if a pitcher reaches the maximum of 125 pitches in a start…he must have 3 days rest. After that 3 days, he is good to go, from a rule standpoint, for another 125 pitches. This is not what the 2 out of 3 series was designed for…it was implemented to determine who had the best baseball team, not who has a dude that can beat most teams anytime he toes the rubber. This would allow a lower seed an advantage if said team had one good arm…he would have the opportunity to beat the higher seed twice in a series whereas if you kept the schedules the same Thur-Fri-Fri or Fri-Sat-Sat this would not happen and the beat team would more than likely advance. I think it’s absurd to let a HS kid throw again 3 days after 125 pitches… that’s MLB starter length. Should be at least five days or a week. But if he throws Wednesday wouldn’t Saturday be the third day of rest? So he couldn’t go again till Sunday. Better pray for rain. And most of the time the better team will have the better arms… 125 is a lot, I think a coach knows his guy and knows if he can handle being turn around on short rest. Some guys can, some guys are much less effective. Yes you are correct, he would still be on rest if the game were played on Wednesday and the pitcher threw 75-125 pitches…however, with the rules you could throw him up to 74 pitches and turn him around for a full 125 on Saturday. That’s more than enough pitches for a really good pitcher to beat a team twice. |
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Post by cjr3888 on Feb 2, 2022 13:08:03 GMT -6
This will normally be 2 blowouts for us. Will probably be a double header on a Saturday to save on travel expenses. Here's our 1st round scores lately.
2021: 17-3 over Port Allen
2019: 16-0 over Northeast
2018: 17-0 over Beekman Charter
2017: 15-1 over Rapides
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Post by chalmetteowl on Feb 2, 2022 17:36:31 GMT -6
This will normally be 2 blowouts for us. Will probably be a double header on a Saturday to save on travel expenses. Here's our 1st round scores lately. 2021: 17-3 over Port Allen 2019: 16-0 over Northeast 2018: 17-0 over Beekman Charter 2017: 15-1 over Rapides The 2 out of 3 is for all classes? |
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Post by dogwalk on Feb 2, 2022 20:47:12 GMT -6
This will normally be 2 blowouts for us. Will probably be a double header on a Saturday to save on travel expenses. Here's our 1st round scores lately. 2021: 17-3 over Port Allen 2019: 16-0 over Northeast 2018: 17-0 over Beekman Charter 2017: 15-1 over Rapides The 2 out of 3 is for all classes? The proposal that was voted on this year was to make the first round a two out of three series in the classes that are currently using a two out of three format in the second round and quarters. It will start next season. |
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Post by chalmetteowl on Feb 2, 2022 21:44:03 GMT -6
The 2 out of 3 is for all classes? The proposal that was voted on this year was to make the first round a two out of three series in the classes that are currently using a two out of three format in the second round and quarters. It will start next season. i like it... no one wants to make the trip from one end of the state to the other for just one game... then again no one really wants to pay for a hotel either i guess there's no rule against playing all three games on one day if you have lights... |
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Post by astrosnation on Feb 3, 2022 9:21:03 GMT -6
The proposal that was voted on this year was to make the first round a two out of three series in the classes that are currently using a two out of three format in the second round and quarters. It will start next season. i like it... no one wants to make the trip from one end of the state to the other for just one game... then again no one really wants to pay for a hotel either i guess there's no rule against playing all three games on one day if you have lights... The whole purpose of the new proposal is to eliminate one game upset. To prevent a 31 seed Haughton upsetting a 2 seed Barbe in the first round of the 2017 playoff. Same for 27 seed Walker upsetting 6 seed Destrehan that same year. Play game 1 and 2 on the same day if you feel confident. |
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Feb 3, 2022 10:09:22 GMT -6
i like it... no one wants to make the trip from one end of the state to the other for just one game... then again no one really wants to pay for a hotel either i guess there's no rule against playing all three games on one day if you have lights... The whole purpose of the new proposal is to eliminate one game upset. To prevent a 31 seed Haughton upsetting a 2 seed Barbe in the first round of the 2017 playoff. Same for 27 seed Walker upsetting 6 seed Destrehan that same year. Play game 1 and 2 on the same day if you feel confident. The 2 of 3 is a great idea. The proposal of the lower seed hosting one of the games makes no sense |
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Post by chalmetteowl on Feb 3, 2022 11:51:20 GMT -6
The whole purpose of the new proposal is to eliminate one game upset. To prevent a 31 seed Haughton upsetting a 2 seed Barbe in the first round of the 2017 playoff. Same for 27 seed Walker upsetting 6 seed Destrehan that same year. Play game 1 and 2 on the same day if you feel confident. The 2 of 3 is a great idea. The proposal of the lower seed hosting one of the games makes no sense Nothing wrong with upsets. They happen. I get it, Barbe didn’t like facing our MLB draft pick 😂 The lower seed hosting makes sense to me because right now, 16 teams each host three games. It’s more fair to have 16 teams host two games and another 16 host 1. It would even out travel and bring the state playoffs to more places. Of course the teams that want to host all three games are against this. You still host 2 to 1. I think the lower half of every class would support this |
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Post by retired on Mar 1, 2022 17:20:27 GMT -6
The 2 of 3 is a great idea. The proposal of the lower seed hosting one of the games makes no sense Nothing wrong with upsets. They happen. I get it, Barbe didn’t like facing our MLB draft pick 😂 The lower seed hosting makes sense to me because right now, 16 teams each host three games. It’s more fair to have 16 teams host two games and another 16 host 1. It would even out travel and bring the state playoffs to more places. Of course the teams that want to host all three games are against this. You still host 2 to 1. I think the lower half of every class would support this Wouldn't that present the potential for some some long range midweek travel situations? |
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 2, 2022 8:35:43 GMT -6
Nothing wrong with upsets. They happen. I get it, Barbe didn’t like facing our MLB draft pick 😂 The lower seed hosting makes sense to me because right now, 16 teams each host three games. It’s more fair to have 16 teams host two games and another 16 host 1. It would even out travel and bring the state playoffs to more places. Of course the teams that want to host all three games are against this. You still host 2 to 1. I think the lower half of every class would support this Wouldn't that present the potential for some some long range midweek travel situations? Maybe but other sports play midweek playoff games and no one really cares… of course the obvious difference is the rain factor. |
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Post by retired on Mar 2, 2022 8:43:03 GMT -6
Wouldn't that present the potential for some some long range midweek travel situations? Maybe but other sports play midweek playoff games and no one really cares… of course the obvious difference is the rain factor. The other sports are finished after the trip no? Here you propose potentially driving 3/4 hours mid week to play a game (at a park that may or may not have lights) that settles nothing with your main reason seemingly being “gate”. Isn’t that essentially pimping out HS kids? |
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 2, 2022 11:25:59 GMT -6
Maybe but other sports play midweek playoff games and no one really cares… of course the obvious difference is the rain factor. The other sports are finished after the trip no? Here you propose potentially driving 3/4 hours mid week to play a game (at a park that may or may not have lights) that settles nothing with your main reason seemingly being “gate”. Isn’t that essentially pimping out HS kids? you just described every regular season game ever 😂. And yes, the main reason is “gate”, as in, the power rating system is skewed against Southeastern LA teams. This would reduce the impact of that. The travel issue can be fixed, but the main point is that it would be equal for both teams |
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Post by dogwalk on Mar 2, 2022 11:38:18 GMT -6
The other sports are finished after the trip no? Here you propose potentially driving 3/4 hours mid week to play a game (at a park that may or may not have lights) that settles nothing with your main reason seemingly being “gate”. Isn’t that essentially pimping out HS kids? you just described every regular season game ever 😂. And yes, the main reason is “gate”, as in, the power rating system is skewed against Southeastern LA teams. This would reduce the impact of that. The travel issue can be fixed, but the main point is that it would be equal for both teams How is the power rating system skewed against Southeastern LA teams? Explain… |
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Mar 2, 2022 11:47:42 GMT -6
Wouldn't that present the potential for some some long range midweek travel situations? Maybe but other sports play midweek playoff games and no one really cares… of course the obvious difference is the rain factor. The difference is that, in other sports, for a midweek playoff game, one team travels round trip. Winner moves on. In this baseball 3 game scenario, one team makes two round trips and the other makes one. It’s 3 times as much travel for the “winner moves on” result. And if the teams involved are 4-5 hours away from each other, that brings even more issues. It’s not apples to apples |
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Post by retired on Mar 2, 2022 11:49:29 GMT -6
The other sports are finished after the trip no? Here you propose potentially driving 3/4 hours mid week to play a game (at a park that may or may not have lights) that settles nothing with your main reason seemingly being “gate”. Isn’t that essentially pimping out HS kids? you just described every regular season game ever 😂. And yes, the main reason is “gate”, as in, the power rating system is skewed against Southeastern LA teams. This would reduce the impact of that. The travel issue can be fixed, but the main point is that it would be equal for both teams No, because regular season games are intentionally scheduled, not arranged by happenstance. So there is a difference. And a single regular season game is "final" unlike game one of a best of 3 round that still needs at least another game. Also, remember that in baseball playoffs the gross receipts of the admissions gate are split evenly before any deductions. The home team has to pay for officials, field rental (if necessary) etc, but they keep concessions. So when you say "gate" what you are actually describing is the concession stand minus expenses. |
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 2, 2022 11:55:38 GMT -6
you just described every regular season game ever 😂. And yes, the main reason is “gate”, as in, the power rating system is skewed against Southeastern LA teams. This would reduce the impact of that. The travel issue can be fixed, but the main point is that it would be equal for both teams How is the power rating system skewed against Southeastern LA teams? Explain… because class B and C almost don’t exist down here, and wins “circulate”. Then you have the whole or even just half of a 5A district in a metro area compared with Baton Rouge who has 2 or NOLA who has 3 and a half… we have more 5A opponents within easy driving distance |
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 2, 2022 11:57:24 GMT -6
Maybe but other sports play midweek playoff games and no one really cares… of course the obvious difference is the rain factor. The difference is that, in other sports, for a midweek playoff game, one team travels round trip. Winner moves on. In this baseball 3 game scenario, one team makes two round trips and the other makes one. It’s 3 times as much travel for the “winner moves on” result. And if the teams involved are 4-5 hours away from each other, that brings even more issues. It’s not apples to apples not how it works… you’d play the final two games on the same trip. Usually it would be on a Saturday but could also do a Friday and Saturday |
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Mar 2, 2022 12:17:13 GMT -6
The difference is that, in other sports, for a midweek playoff game, one team travels round trip. Winner moves on. In this baseball 3 game scenario, one team makes two round trips and the other makes one. It’s 3 times as much travel for the “winner moves on” result. And if the teams involved are 4-5 hours away from each other, that brings even more issues. It’s not apples to apples not how it works… you’d play the final two games on the same trip. Usually it would be on a Saturday but could also do a Friday and Saturday Oh ok I still think its a bit much if the teams involved are a long way from each other. That gets pretty expensive making trips like that, especially multiple times (other rounds) |
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 2, 2022 12:20:47 GMT -6
not how it works… you’d play the final two games on the same trip. Usually it would be on a Saturday but could also do a Friday and Saturday Oh ok I still think its a bit much if the teams involved are a long way from each other. That gets pretty expensive making trips like that, especially multiple times (other rounds) If that was a concern to anyone at the LHSAA, we’d still have the brackets that used to go 1-1, 2-2, 6-3, etc. You could control travel with those by how they’d be drawn up And then soon basketball will join baseball in having lower seeded teams go on the road all the way until state. It’s happening because for years people have posted on message boards how stupid it is that a lower seed can host just by winning one “upset”. Football is probably next. |
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