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Post by retired on Mar 2, 2022 16:02:27 GMT -6
The difference is that, in other sports, for a midweek playoff game, one team travels round trip. Winner moves on. In this baseball 3 game scenario, one team makes two round trips and the other makes one. It’s 3 times as much travel for the “winner moves on” result. And if the teams involved are 4-5 hours away from each other, that brings even more issues. It’s not apples to apples not how it works… you’d play the final two games on the same trip. Usually it would be on a Saturday but could also do a Friday and Saturday a Friday/Saturday would be even more expensive travel ( two trips or overnight stay) And you are proposing all of this for an already evenly split gate |
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Post by dogwalk on Mar 2, 2022 19:08:39 GMT -6
How is the power rating system skewed against Southeastern LA teams? Explain… because class B and C almost don’t exist down here, and wins “circulate”. Then you have the whole or even just half of a 5A district in a metro area compared with Baton Rouge who has 2 or NOLA who has 3 and a half… we have more 5A opponents within easy driving distance Still don’t see your point about the power ratings being skewed against SELA teams…coaches can manipulate their regular season schedules as they see fit. Happens all the time, just have to be willing to get on a bus. |
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 2, 2022 19:13:10 GMT -6
because class B and C almost don’t exist down here, and wins “circulate”. Then you have the whole or even just half of a 5A district in a metro area compared with Baton Rouge who has 2 or NOLA who has 3 and a half… we have more 5A opponents within easy driving distance Still don’t see your point about the power ratings being skewed against SELA teams…coaches can manipulate their regular season schedules as they see fit. Happens all the time, just have to be willing to get on a bus. by that point, let's ask why baseball and softball have different formulas. Softball uses winning percentage (the formula football and basketball use), but baseball uses a straight 1 point per win. In baseball, you can be screwed by your opponents not playing enough games, especially if it's district opponents you have to play. That's precisely why football went to using winning percentage |
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Post by dogwalk on Mar 2, 2022 19:18:21 GMT -6
Still don’t see your point about the power ratings being skewed against SELA teams…coaches can manipulate their regular season schedules as they see fit. Happens all the time, just have to be willing to get on a bus. by that point, let's ask why baseball and softball have different formulas. Softball uses winning percentage (the formula football and basketball use), but baseball uses a straight 1 point per win. In baseball, you can be screwed by your opponents not playing enough games, especially if it's district opponents you have to play Ok, this happens in all districts correct? This is not just a SELA problem…and this has absolutely nothing to do with the original argument in this thread. We chasing rabbits now. Lol |
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Post by retired on Mar 3, 2022 9:06:23 GMT -6
by that point, let's ask why baseball and softball have different formulas. Softball uses winning percentage (the formula football and basketball use), but baseball uses a straight 1 point per win. In baseball, you can be screwed by your opponents not playing enough games, especially if it's district opponents you have to play Ok, this happens in all districts correct? This is not just a SELA problem…and this has absolutely nothing to do with the original argument in this thread. We chasing rabbits now. Lol Plus, all of this handwringing is over "gate" which is equally split anyway. |
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Post by dogwalk on Mar 3, 2022 9:09:23 GMT -6
Ok, this happens in all districts correct? This is not just a SELA problem…and this has absolutely nothing to do with the original argument in this thread. We chasing rabbits now. Lol Plus, all of this handwringing is over "gate" which is equally split anyway. A lot of times there is nothing even about playoff money…the away team usually makes more money for traveling. |
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 3, 2022 15:55:01 GMT -6
Plus, all of this handwringing is over "gate" which is equally split anyway. A lot of times there is nothing even about playoff money…the away team usually makes more money for traveling. looking at the handbook rn... Gate is split evenly Home team retains concessions Home team pays the umps, scorekeepers, ticket takers, security, grounds crew, provides equipment, and provides the field Visitors are responsible for travel expenses |
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Post by retired on Mar 3, 2022 18:43:51 GMT -6
A lot of times there is nothing even about playoff money…the away team usually makes more money for traveling. looking at the handbook rn... Gate is split evenly Home team retains concessions Home team pays the umps, scorekeepers, ticket takers, security, grounds crew, provides equipment, and provides the field Visitors are responsible for travel expenses Yes. So you want to create extra travel expense for an already split gate. So in reality, what you would be creating is extra (potentially long) midweek travel for one team so that another team can earn concession stand money minus the cost of umpires, field rental (if necessary) etc. all to play a game that decides nothing? |
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Post by dogwalk on Mar 3, 2022 20:33:26 GMT -6
A lot of times there is nothing even about playoff money…the away team usually makes more money for traveling. looking at the handbook rn... Gate is split evenly Home team retains concessions Home team pays the umps, scorekeepers, ticket takers, security, grounds crew, provides equipment, and provides the field Visitors are responsible for travel expenses Yes, all that is true…the cost of a 3 man umpire crew for a 3 game set, security, etc for the home team eats a majority of the gate profit. Many times the away team clears more money. |
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 25, 2022 21:41:20 GMT -6
looking at the handbook rn... Gate is split evenly Home team retains concessions Home team pays the umps, scorekeepers, ticket takers, security, grounds crew, provides equipment, and provides the field Visitors are responsible for travel expenses Yes. So you want to create extra travel expense for an already split gate. So in reality, what you would be creating is extra (potentially long) midweek travel for one team so that another team can earn concession stand money minus the cost of umpires, field rental (if necessary) etc. all to play a game that decides nothing? Bump. I went a few years ago when Chalmette made round 2 and traveled to Airline. I drove up there on Friday; game 1 rained out. Got a hotel. We played a doubleheader Saturday afternoon… we got swept. Had we split it, we probably have another night there and play game 3 on Sunday. Stuff like umpires, etc. is incidental to baseball, but 2 nights in a hotel with a charter bus busts budgets. That’s something most teams don’t do in the regular season. What the lower seed hosting game 1 would do is probably eliminate the need for most teams to stay in a hotel because you’d have at most two games at the higher seed and not 3. Most of the time it’d be one. |
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Post by retired on Mar 26, 2022 13:17:32 GMT -6
Yes. So you want to create extra travel expense for an already split gate. So in reality, what you would be creating is extra (potentially long) midweek travel for one team so that another team can earn concession stand money minus the cost of umpires, field rental (if necessary) etc. all to play a game that decides nothing? Bump. I went a few years ago when Chalmette made round 2 and traveled to Airline. I drove up there on Friday; game 1 rained out. Got a hotel. We played a doubleheader Saturday afternoon… we got swept. Had we split it, we probably have another night there and play game 3 on Sunday. Stuff like umpires, etc. is incidental to baseball, but 2 nights in a hotel with a charter bus busts budgets. That’s something most teams don’t do in the regular season. What the lower seed hosting game 1 would do is probably eliminate the need for most teams to stay in a hotel because you’d have at most two games at the higher seed and not 3. Most of the time it’d be one. --OR..Chalmette could have been the higher seed. You could have gone down when Chalmette made a midweek trip to Airline--but the game rained out. So..then what? Do the kids, staff and fans stay in a hotel? Do they miss another day of school (The assuredly would have spent the entire day travelling)? Do they just turn the bus around, drive all the way back from Bossier City to Chalmette only to drive back up another 5 hours the next day? You could come of with many "if" scenarios. What is 100% certain is that your idea increases travel. |
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 26, 2022 14:26:02 GMT -6
Bump. I went a few years ago when Chalmette made round 2 and traveled to Airline. I drove up there on Friday; game 1 rained out. Got a hotel. We played a doubleheader Saturday afternoon… we got swept. Had we split it, we probably have another night there and play game 3 on Sunday. Stuff like umpires, etc. is incidental to baseball, but 2 nights in a hotel with a charter bus busts budgets. That’s something most teams don’t do in the regular season. What the lower seed hosting game 1 would do is probably eliminate the need for most teams to stay in a hotel because you’d have at most two games at the higher seed and not 3. Most of the time it’d be one. --OR..Chalmette could have been the higher seed. You could have gone down when Chalmette made a midweek trip to Airline--but the game rained out. So..then what? Do the kids, staff and fans stay in a hotel? Do they miss another day of school (The assuredly would have spent the entire day travelling)? Do they just turn the bus around, drive all the way back from Bossier City to Chalmette only to drive back up another 5 hours the next day? You could come of with many "if" scenarios. What is 100% certain is that your idea increases travel. Or… if the weather forecast looks bad, you don’t get on the bus. You’d probably have four days to get the first game in, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday |
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Post by retired on Mar 26, 2022 16:54:14 GMT -6
--OR..Chalmette could have been the higher seed. You could have gone down when Chalmette made a midweek trip to Airline--but the game rained out. So..then what? Do the kids, staff and fans stay in a hotel? Do they miss another day of school (The assuredly would have spent the entire day travelling)? Do they just turn the bus around, drive all the way back from Bossier City to Chalmette only to drive back up another 5 hours the next day? You could come of with many "if" scenarios. What is 100% certain is that your idea increases travel. Or… if the weather forecast looks bad, you don’t get on the bus. You’d probably have four days to get the first game in, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday As I said, you can "if" many scenarios. Its Louisiana. It can rain 3 days in a row in April and May. Then what? What is 100% certain is that your idea increases travel expenses as it adds travel to a team. Your original premise was to do this because of gate receipts. Now that you are aware that those are split evenly I think you are trying to find another reason to support your idea. That's fair. I just think that travel is an issue in school age sports and should be limited when possible. |
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Post by amacomo on Mar 26, 2022 17:54:39 GMT -6
Would be cool if they played a true three gamer where high seed hosted game 1 and 3 and lower seed hosted game 2. This is how it's done in Mississippi, Alabama, and Texas.
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Post by retired on Mar 26, 2022 18:32:10 GMT -6
Would be cool if they played a true three gamer where high seed hosted game 1 and 3 and lower seed hosted game 2. This is how it's done in Mississippi, Alabama, and Texas. So in the aforementioned case, Chalmette would drive 5 hours (one way) to Bossier City to play game 1, drive 5 hours back, Airline would drive 5 hours down (one way) to St. Benard Parish to play game 2, drive back and there would be a possibility that the Owls would make another 10 hour round trip for game 3. All for a 1st round playoff game??? I don't think that is something to emulate. |
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 26, 2022 19:59:36 GMT -6
Would be cool if they played a true three gamer where high seed hosted game 1 and 3 and lower seed hosted game 2. This is how it's done in Mississippi, Alabama, and Texas. How does that work? Isn’t travel more predictable and regional in those states though? I know Mississippi does North State and South State and Texas has regions I, II, III, and IV |
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Post by amacomo on Mar 28, 2022 8:23:43 GMT -6
They do have the state divided in halves. I think the longest trip you'll see in Mississippi for example is about 3.5 hours 1 way, but they've done it for years, and it works well. You could divide it by section once the power rankings come out if it made it more plausible.
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Post by astrosnation on Mar 28, 2022 11:16:38 GMT -6
Would be cool if they played a true three gamer where high seed hosted game 1 and 3 and lower seed hosted game 2. This is how it's done in Mississippi, Alabama, and Texas. How does that work? Isn’t travel more predictable and regional in those states though? I know Mississippi does North State and South State and Texas has regions I, II, III, and IV Texas baseball meet at a central location btw the two school for their series. |
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 28, 2022 18:48:10 GMT -6
How does that work? Isn’t travel more predictable and regional in those states though? I know Mississippi does North State and South State and Texas has regions I, II, III, and IV Texas baseball meet at a central location btw the two school for their series. I would never want that here… playoffs should be at home fields whenever possible |
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Post by amacomo on Mar 29, 2022 8:27:53 GMT -6
Something they used to do in MS is play game 1 at higher seed, game 2 at lower seed, and game 3 if necessary at a neutral location.
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Post by khsyellowjackets94 on Apr 4, 2022 11:41:56 GMT -6
The best way to minimize travel expenses is to have game 1 & 2 on the same day. If Team A wins both then Team B already knows they don’t have to rent hotel rooms if travel expenses are that big of a problem or if they live close enough to drive back. It would be really helpful to lower seeds that are very likely to get swept.
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