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Post by cheezs on Dec 13, 2023 19:47:28 GMT -6
I don't know if it's just me or not, but seeing the numbers some people are posting now that the season is over seems ridiculous. Mainly the defensive side of the ball, and to me it is showing teams not doing their due diligence in ensuring correct numbers week in and week out.
I have seen multiple people post about their LB having 200+ tackles this season.... That is an ABSURD amount of tackles at this level. even when understanding that at Highschool level Assisted Tackles + Solo Tackles = Total Tackles 200+ is crazy numbers. Assuming that team and player played 14 games by going to the Dome, they would need to average 14.286 Total Tackles a game for the season.
To me when I see these numbers, I instantly do not trust the accuracy of them.
I had the privilege of watching Sam Taylor who broke multiple school records at LCA for tackles where we have had a number of great LB through our short time in LHSAA and even then, he would be 50-70 tackles away from some of these other players stats that i see. Sam is ALWAYS on the ball, it would not be a stretch for me to have given him an extra 20 tackles over the season, but understanding how to take stats and how to ACTUALLY credit tackles, he has 148 Total Tackles.
Am i the only one who sees these numbers and thinks this?
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Dec 13, 2023 19:50:03 GMT -6
I don't know if it's just me or not, but seeing the numbers some people are posting now that the season is over seems ridiculous. Mainly the defensive side of the ball, and to me it is showing teams not doing their due diligence in ensuring correct numbers week in and week out. I have seen multiple people post about their LB having 200+ tackles this season.... That is an ABSURD amount of tackles at this level. even when understanding that at Highschool level Assisted Tackles + Solo Tackles = Total Tackles 200+ is crazy numbers. Assuming that team and player played 14 games by going to the Dome, they would need to average 14.286 Total Tackles a game for the season. To me when I see these numbers, I instantly do not trust the accuracy of them. I had the privilege of watching Sam Taylor who broke multiple school records at LCA for tackles where we have had a number of great LB through our short time in LHSAA and even then, he would be 50-70 tackles away from some of these other players stats that i see. Sam is ALWAYS on the ball, it would not be a stretch for me to have given him an extra 20 tackles over the season, but understanding how to take stats and how to ACTUALLY credit tackles, he has 148 Total Tackles. Am i the only one who sees these numbers and thinks this? There are some teams that credit more than 2 people with tackles. So 3 (or more) guys getting an assisted tackle on the same play. I think that’s the basis for it. That, and at the lower levels, some teams may play an entire year and never face a team that throws the ball 10 times in a game. So a LB playing all of his games against teams that run the ball 60 times each game….theres a lot of opportunities for tackles. Add in the extra guys getting assists, and you get some crazy numbers. You’ll also find some guys that credit a “sack” when a guy tackles the QB for a loss…on a designed run play.
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Post by cheezs on Dec 13, 2023 20:05:18 GMT -6
I don't know if it's just me or not, but seeing the numbers some people are posting now that the season is over seems ridiculous. Mainly the defensive side of the ball, and to me it is showing teams not doing their due diligence in ensuring correct numbers week in and week out. I have seen multiple people post about their LB having 200+ tackles this season.... That is an ABSURD amount of tackles at this level. even when understanding that at Highschool level Assisted Tackles + Solo Tackles = Total Tackles 200+ is crazy numbers. Assuming that team and player played 14 games by going to the Dome, they would need to average 14.286 Total Tackles a game for the season. To me when I see these numbers, I instantly do not trust the accuracy of them. I had the privilege of watching Sam Taylor who broke multiple school records at LCA for tackles where we have had a number of great LB through our short time in LHSAA and even then, he would be 50-70 tackles away from some of these other players stats that i see. Sam is ALWAYS on the ball, it would not be a stretch for me to have given him an extra 20 tackles over the season, but understanding how to take stats and how to ACTUALLY credit tackles, he has 148 Total Tackles. Am i the only one who sees these numbers and thinks this? There are some teams that credit more than 2 people with tackles. So 3 (or more) guys getting an assisted tackle on the same play. I think that’s the basis for it. That, and at the lower levels, some teams may play an entire year and never face a team that throws the ball 10 times in a game. So a LB playing all of his games against teams that run the ball 60 times each game….theres a lot of opportunities for tackles. Add in the extra guys getting assists, and you get some crazy numbers. You’ll also find some guys that credit a “sack” when a guy tackles the QB for a loss…on a designed run play. So basically people not understanding how to take stats mainly. Then not checking work or anything remotely like that. I can see the lower levels and people running 60 times a game, but the teams i have seen went to atleast the semifinals and definitely played some high flying offenses through the year.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Dec 13, 2023 20:36:35 GMT -6
I don't know if it's just me or not, but seeing the numbers some people are posting now that the season is over seems ridiculous. Mainly the defensive side of the ball, and to me it is showing teams not doing their due diligence in ensuring correct numbers week in and week out. I have seen multiple people post about their LB having 200+ tackles this season.... That is an ABSURD amount of tackles at this level. even when understanding that at Highschool level Assisted Tackles + Solo Tackles = Total Tackles 200+ is crazy numbers. Assuming that team and player played 14 games by going to the Dome, they would need to average 14.286 Total Tackles a game for the season. To me when I see these numbers, I instantly do not trust the accuracy of them. I had the privilege of watching Sam Taylor who broke multiple school records at LCA for tackles where we have had a number of great LB through our short time in LHSAA and even then, he would be 50-70 tackles away from some of these other players stats that i see. Sam is ALWAYS on the ball, it would not be a stretch for me to have given him an extra 20 tackles over the season, but understanding how to take stats and how to ACTUALLY credit tackles, he has 148 Total Tackles. Am i the only one who sees these numbers and thinks this? There are some teams that credit more than 2 people with tackles. So 3 (or more) guys getting an assisted tackle on the same play. I think that’s the basis for it. That, and at the lower levels, some teams may play an entire year and never face a team that throws the ball 10 times in a game. So a LB playing all of his games against teams that run the ball 60 times each game….theres a lot of opportunities for tackles. Add in the extra guys getting assists, and you get some crazy numbers. You’ll also find some guys that credit a “sack” when a guy tackles the QB for a loss…on a designed run play. A lot of those defensive stats are ones that are getting “buffed” for kids the coaches are trying to promote for either recruiting or awards purposes… if a dude is even close to the play he’ll get the assist or the PBU or a half a sack
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Post by obc on Dec 13, 2023 20:43:13 GMT -6
The best stat I ever heard of was the "come and get 'im." A coach at an All State meeting told me one of his players had x solo tackles, y assists, z sacks, and 5 come and get 'im's.
I asked him what that was, and he explained: "My guy hit him, and they had to come and get 'im."
The player made All State.
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Post by cajunjj on Dec 13, 2023 22:25:36 GMT -6
The best stat I ever heard of was the "come and get 'im." A coach at an All State meeting told me one of his players had x solo tackles, y assists, z sacks, and 5 come and get 'im's. I asked him what that was, and he explained: "My guy hit him, and they had to come and get 'im." The player made All State. 😳😳😳
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Post by Raven on Dec 13, 2023 22:25:58 GMT -6
There are some teams that credit more than 2 people with tackles. So 3 (or more) guys getting an assisted tackle on the same play. I think that’s the basis for it. That, and at the lower levels, some teams may play an entire year and never face a team that throws the ball 10 times in a game. So a LB playing all of his games against teams that run the ball 60 times each game….theres a lot of opportunities for tackles. Add in the extra guys getting assists, and you get some crazy numbers. You’ll also find some guys that credit a “sack” when a guy tackles the QB for a loss…on a designed run play. So basically people not understanding how to take stats mainly. Then not checking work or anything remotely like that. I can see the lower levels and people running 60 times a game, but the teams i have seen went to atleast the semifinals and definitely played some high flying offenses through the year. Exactly. I've been taking stats for over 30 years and at times have had to "politely" let others know how a play should be recorded. Some that I can think of during the years: - A scoring play that crosses the first down marker has to be counted as a first down earned. - A sack is credited as minus rushing yards. (in high school anyway) - A pitch forward is credited as a forward pass. - And not a year goes by that I don't have to remind someone that a lateral pass is counted as rushing yards, not passing yards. So I can only imagine the mistakes/numbers-fudging that people make on defense.
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Post by bluebonnetspearman on Dec 14, 2023 8:16:43 GMT -6
I would suspect that if you subtracted all the bubble screen and tunnel screen and flare screen passing yardage on balls thrown backwards from a lot of these spread quarterbacks and listed it correctly as rushing yardage, you would wipe out about 500 yards of passing from each one of those quarterbacks most seasons. I also hate when a qb literally just tips a shotgun snap to a sweeper coming by and when it breaks for 70 yards the qb gets credited with 70 yards passing and the sweeper gets credited with 70 yards receiving, although 99% of the play was nothing but a run.
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Post by cheezs on Dec 14, 2023 9:48:39 GMT -6
I would suspect that if you subtracted all the bubble screen and tunnel screen and flare screen passing yardage on balls thrown backwards from a lot of these spread quarterbacks and listed it correctly as rushing yardage, you would wipe out about 500 yards of passing from each one of those quarterbacks most seasons. I also hate when a qb literally just tips a shotgun snap to a sweeper coming by and when it breaks for 70 yards the qb gets credited with 70 yards passing and the sweeper gets credited with 70 yards receiving, although 99% of the play was nothing but a run. most of those plays (if ran correctly) are all actually passes. Us for instance run both of these, the passes are still forward, just as long as they are caught behind the line of scrimmage, it is a forward pass and lineman downfield is not a penalty. you run the sweep tip pass to avoid a possible fumble is the only reason teams run it like that, too often does that exchange result in a suspect handoff, it is easier to just tip pass it to them and if they drop it, it's just incomplete.
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Post by bluebonnetspearman on Dec 14, 2023 14:55:07 GMT -6
If the qb takes the snap at the -40 and turns and throws to a bubbling slot guy at the -37 and that guy ends up getting tackled at the 50, the slot guy should be credited with a 10 yard rushing carry. Period. End of story. There are several programs around the state that have passing games that are probably 30% or more backwards passes. At one time, Zachary fit that description to a T.
I think we are giving qbs entirely too much credit for those plays by calling them passes and giving them passing yards. It is also overblowing receiving yards for the receivers.
The tip passes are a little trickier I admit because they are "thrown" forward. I still argue that it should be registered as rushing yards. If the qb hands it to the sweeper, it's rushing. If the qb tips it to the sweeper it's passing and receiving. They are the exact same distance apart and the play looks exactly the same except for a split second tip of the ball 18" to the sweeper.
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Post by CLEAN on Dec 14, 2023 15:05:13 GMT -6
1 solo tackle, 26 assists?
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Post by pigskingumbeaux on Dec 14, 2023 17:31:07 GMT -6
You see some inflated numbers. Ruston LB Jadon Mayfield is always around the ball for example and he had 116 tackles in 14 games. I don’t see how kids reach 200.
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Post by viking27 on Dec 14, 2023 20:06:09 GMT -6
I’m not sure who you’re talking about specifically but I see this alot. The main one being the OLB kid from Union, Wilson. Watched them play 3 times this year. The second 2 games I watched him close. He makes some big plays and is a great tackler. But I’m none of those games did I see him have even 15 tackles.. I see numbers posted for him having 25+ tackles in a game. And I just do not believe it lol 200+ on the season, even with them winning in the dome, is just not believable. Sad thing is some kids may be recording their own stats…idk if that’s the case with him but I’m saying some kids may have to if they don’t have a statistician. And you can not have more than 2 people with assists on any given play. If I see stats like his, I immediately think it’s a joke. And he’s just the main example I can think of. There are definitely others. I think it’s definitely used to promote.
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Post by CoachA on Dec 15, 2023 8:10:48 GMT -6
Y’all got statisticians?!?! We have to do all our stats ourselves.
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Post by OG93LB on Dec 15, 2023 10:11:29 GMT -6
The best stat I ever heard of was the "come and get 'im." A coach at an All State meeting told me one of his players had x solo tackles, y assists, z sacks, and 5 come and get 'im's. I asked him what that was, and he explained: "My guy hit him, and they had to come and get 'im." The player made All State. I love that stat-can we make that an official stat ASAP?? Seriously though I agree with the OP-200 plus tackles is ridiculous…even if you play teams that never pass (which honestly is rare these days) there likely won’t be enough plays run on that side of the ball bc of time-and for anyone to have 20 tackles-would have to make damn near EVERY tackle pretty much…I mean and average that over a full season? Nah
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Post by bhossmac on Dec 16, 2023 14:05:54 GMT -6
I don't know if it's just me or not, but seeing the numbers some people are posting now that the season is over seems ridiculous. Mainly the defensive side of the ball, and to me it is showing teams not doing their due diligence in ensuring correct numbers week in and week out. I have seen multiple people post about their LB having 200+ tackles this season.... That is an ABSURD amount of tackles at this level. even when understanding that at Highschool level Assisted Tackles + Solo Tackles = Total Tackles 200+ is crazy numbers. Assuming that team and player played 14 games by going to the Dome, they would need to average 14.286 Total Tackles a game for the season. To me when I see these numbers, I instantly do not trust the accuracy of them. I had the privilege of watching Sam Taylor who broke multiple school records at LCA for tackles where we have had a number of great LB through our short time in LHSAA and even then, he would be 50-70 tackles away from some of these other players stats that i see. Sam is ALWAYS on the ball, it would not be a stretch for me to have given him an extra 20 tackles over the season, but understanding how to take stats and how to ACTUALLY credit tackles, he has 148 Total Tackles. Am i the only one who sees these numbers and thinks this? I do not trust any defensive stats that I see. Period. From anyone. Doesn't matter. Don't trust them. Even someone that I know does a great and professional job like you do. LOL. I have been around this game for a long time, statted the games that I covered as a media member for years, then statted for four years when I was working as part of a high school staff. Never one time in all of the years that I covered has a kid gotten 20 tackles in a single game. Not once. The most I ever had in my four years as an official statistician was 18. This year, I "covered" a game on a livestream review in which one LB had an unbelievable game, so I statted him with 18 tackles. That's still the most I've ever had in a single game. That most that I had in a single season was 92 tackles, and that was a kid who played at a 5A all-state level and went on to sign at the FCS level. Most coaches just throw tackles around like they're candy to a baby. Each play can have either a solo tackle or two assists. I know there are coaches who give out a solo and multiple assists on the same play, which doesn't even make any kind of sense. I guarantee you I can restat a season for any player in Louisiana who claims to have 150+ tackles and they would not have that many. Making 150-200 tackles in a season means you are in on every play. It's just not feasible. It is not easy to stat defense. Trust me. Doing it live is so difficult, and it can be even tougher on video review. There were times I'd have to stop and rewind multiple times to determine which two players were most responsible for a tackle, or if it should be a solo tackle vs. two assists. But I was determined to do it correctly, and we don't have nearly enough people with that integrity these days. (It's why I applaud Cheesz and the transparency he openly invited during Ju'Juan's chase for history.) We have too many guys who just want their players to have gaudy stats and throw tackles around like they're going out of style. As technology continues to improve, Hudl should be able to keep defensive stats automatically. If they can't already, they should soon. I know they can do offensive stats, and in basketball they can do all stats on both ends of the floor, so it makes sense they would be able to hand out a solo tackle or two assists automatically on video review. I hope we get to a point where that technology is used more often so we don't have so many egregiously wrong defensive statistics reported.
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Post by bhossmac on Dec 16, 2023 14:11:10 GMT -6
I would suspect that if you subtracted all the bubble screen and tunnel screen and flare screen passing yardage on balls thrown backwards from a lot of these spread quarterbacks and listed it correctly as rushing yardage, you would wipe out about 500 yards of passing from each one of those quarterbacks most seasons. I also hate when a qb literally just tips a shotgun snap to a sweeper coming by and when it breaks for 70 yards the qb gets credited with 70 yards passing and the sweeper gets credited with 70 yards receiving, although 99% of the play was nothing but a run. It doesn't matter if it's a bubble screen, tunnel screen, flare screen or end-around pass, if the ball is thrown forward, it's rightfully scored a pass, not a run. There's a reason the end-around tip pass is done that way. It takes a fumble out of play. If the receiver mishandles the ball, it was passed forward so it's incomplete, not a fumble and turnover. All of those are parts of the passing game as football has evolved. I don't remember people saying Joe Montana shouldn't be credited for a 75-yard touchdown when Jerry Rice would take a slant to the house.
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Post by bhossmac on Dec 16, 2023 14:13:59 GMT -6
If the qb takes the snap at the -40 and turns and throws to a bubbling slot guy at the -37 and that guy ends up getting tackled at the 50, the slot guy should be credited with a 10 yard rushing carry. Period. End of story. There are several programs around the state that have passing games that are probably 30% or more backwards passes. At one time, Zachary fit that description to a T. I think we are giving qbs entirely too much credit for those plays by calling them passes and giving them passing yards. It is also overblowing receiving yards for the receivers. The tip passes are a little trickier I admit because they are "thrown" forward. I still argue that it should be registered as rushing yards. If the qb hands it to the sweeper, it's rushing. If the qb tips it to the sweeper it's passing and receiving. They are the exact same distance apart and the play looks exactly the same except for a split second tip of the ball 18" to the sweeper. I watch a lot of football, and I don't know many offenses who are making 3-yard backward passes on screen plays. Most of these offenses are spread offenses out of the shotgun anyway, so the QB is starting 5-6 yards behind the line of scrimmage. If he throws to a receiver 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage, it's still a forward pass. What offenses are running these bubble screens from under center?
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Post by chalmetteowl on Dec 16, 2023 16:38:04 GMT -6
I don't know if it's just me or not, but seeing the numbers some people are posting now that the season is over seems ridiculous. Mainly the defensive side of the ball, and to me it is showing teams not doing their due diligence in ensuring correct numbers week in and week out. I have seen multiple people post about their LB having 200+ tackles this season.... That is an ABSURD amount of tackles at this level. even when understanding that at Highschool level Assisted Tackles + Solo Tackles = Total Tackles 200+ is crazy numbers. Assuming that team and player played 14 games by going to the Dome, they would need to average 14.286 Total Tackles a game for the season. To me when I see these numbers, I instantly do not trust the accuracy of them. I had the privilege of watching Sam Taylor who broke multiple school records at LCA for tackles where we have had a number of great LB through our short time in LHSAA and even then, he would be 50-70 tackles away from some of these other players stats that i see. Sam is ALWAYS on the ball, it would not be a stretch for me to have given him an extra 20 tackles over the season, but understanding how to take stats and how to ACTUALLY credit tackles, he has 148 Total Tackles. Am i the only one who sees these numbers and thinks this? I do not trust any defensive stats that I see. Period. From anyone. Doesn't matter. Don't trust them. Even someone that I know does a great and professional job like you do. LOL. I have been around this game for a long time, statted the games that I covered as a media member for years, then statted for four years when I was working as part of a high school staff. Never one time in all of the years that I covered has a kid gotten 20 tackles in a single game. Not once. The most I ever had in my four years as an official statistician was 18. This year, I "covered" a game on a livestream review in which one LB had an unbelievable game, so I statted him with 18 tackles. That's still the most I've ever had in a single game. That most that I had in a single season was 92 tackles, and that was a kid who played at a 5A all-state level and went on to sign at the FCS level. Most coaches just throw tackles around like they're candy to a baby. Each play can have either a solo tackle or two assists. I know there are coaches who give out a solo and multiple assists on the same play, which doesn't even make any kind of sense. I guarantee you I can restat a season for any player in Louisiana who claims to have 150+ tackles and they would not have that many. Making 150-200 tackles in a season means you are in on every play. It's just not feasible. It is not easy to stat defense. Trust me. Doing it live is so difficult, and it can be even tougher on video review. There were times I'd have to stop and rewind multiple times to determine which two players were most responsible for a tackle, or if it should be a solo tackle vs. two assists. But I was determined to do it correctly, and we don't have nearly enough people with that integrity these days. (It's why I applaud Cheesz and the transparency he openly invited during Ju'Juan's chase for history.) We have too many guys who just want their players to have gaudy stats and throw tackles around like they're going out of style. As technology continues to improve, Hudl should be able to keep defensive stats automatically. If they can't already, they should soon. I know they can do offensive stats, and in basketball they can do all stats on both ends of the floor, so it makes sense they would be able to hand out a solo tackle or two assists automatically on video review. I hope we get to a point where that technology is used more often so we don't have so many egregiously wrong defensive statistics reported. One thing for sure, it’s hard to accurately track who’s in on a play from the view statisticians have, with 10-20 guys in close proximity blocking each other. You’d need the cam on wires (or these days now on a drone) like the XFL used to be sure who would get credit in the pile
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Post by bhossmac on Dec 16, 2023 16:45:57 GMT -6
I do not trust any defensive stats that I see. Period. From anyone. Doesn't matter. Don't trust them. Even someone that I know does a great and professional job like you do. LOL. I have been around this game for a long time, statted the games that I covered as a media member for years, then statted for four years when I was working as part of a high school staff. Never one time in all of the years that I covered has a kid gotten 20 tackles in a single game. Not once. The most I ever had in my four years as an official statistician was 18. This year, I "covered" a game on a livestream review in which one LB had an unbelievable game, so I statted him with 18 tackles. That's still the most I've ever had in a single game. That most that I had in a single season was 92 tackles, and that was a kid who played at a 5A all-state level and went on to sign at the FCS level. Most coaches just throw tackles around like they're candy to a baby. Each play can have either a solo tackle or two assists. I know there are coaches who give out a solo and multiple assists on the same play, which doesn't even make any kind of sense. I guarantee you I can restat a season for any player in Louisiana who claims to have 150+ tackles and they would not have that many. Making 150-200 tackles in a season means you are in on every play. It's just not feasible. It is not easy to stat defense. Trust me. Doing it live is so difficult, and it can be even tougher on video review. There were times I'd have to stop and rewind multiple times to determine which two players were most responsible for a tackle, or if it should be a solo tackle vs. two assists. But I was determined to do it correctly, and we don't have nearly enough people with that integrity these days. (It's why I applaud Cheesz and the transparency he openly invited during Ju'Juan's chase for history.) We have too many guys who just want their players to have gaudy stats and throw tackles around like they're going out of style. As technology continues to improve, Hudl should be able to keep defensive stats automatically. If they can't already, they should soon. I know they can do offensive stats, and in basketball they can do all stats on both ends of the floor, so it makes sense they would be able to hand out a solo tackle or two assists automatically on video review. I hope we get to a point where that technology is used more often so we don't have so many egregiously wrong defensive statistics reported. One thing for sure, it’s hard to accurately track who’s in on a play from the view statisticians have, with 10-20 guys in close proximity blocking each other. You’d need the cam on wires (or these days now on a drone) like the XFL used to be sure who would get credit in the pile I always statted from the press box with a spotter or two. Sometimes it was freshman football players. My last two years, I got a senior who loved football and wanted to be a part of the program but wasn't an athlete, and then he stayed with me the first year after he graduated. I know many coaches these days struggle to find anyone who can stat for them so they have to do it the day after on video.
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Post by cheezs on Dec 17, 2023 7:54:14 GMT -6
I don't know if it's just me or not, but seeing the numbers some people are posting now that the season is over seems ridiculous. Mainly the defensive side of the ball, and to me it is showing teams not doing their due diligence in ensuring correct numbers week in and week out. I have seen multiple people post about their LB having 200+ tackles this season.... That is an ABSURD amount of tackles at this level. even when understanding that at Highschool level Assisted Tackles + Solo Tackles = Total Tackles 200+ is crazy numbers. Assuming that team and player played 14 games by going to the Dome, they would need to average 14.286 Total Tackles a game for the season. To me when I see these numbers, I instantly do not trust the accuracy of them. I had the privilege of watching Sam Taylor who broke multiple school records at LCA for tackles where we have had a number of great LB through our short time in LHSAA and even then, he would be 50-70 tackles away from some of these other players stats that i see. Sam is ALWAYS on the ball, it would not be a stretch for me to have given him an extra 20 tackles over the season, but understanding how to take stats and how to ACTUALLY credit tackles, he has 148 Total Tackles. Am i the only one who sees these numbers and thinks this? I do not trust any defensive stats that I see. Period. From anyone. Doesn't matter. Don't trust them. Even someone that I know does a great and professional job like you do. LOL. I have been around this game for a long time, statted the games that I covered as a media member for years, then statted for four years when I was working as part of a high school staff. Never one time in all of the years that I covered has a kid gotten 20 tackles in a single game. Not once. The most I ever had in my four years as an official statistician was 18. This year, I "covered" a game on a livestream review in which one LB had an unbelievable game, so I statted him with 18 tackles. That's still the most I've ever had in a single game. That most that I had in a single season was 92 tackles, and that was a kid who played at a 5A all-state level and went on to sign at the FCS level. Most coaches just throw tackles around like they're candy to a baby. Each play can have either a solo tackle or two assists. I know there are coaches who give out a solo and multiple assists on the same play, which doesn't even make any kind of sense. I guarantee you I can restat a season for any player in Louisiana who claims to have 150+ tackles and they would not have that many. Making 150-200 tackles in a season means you are in on every play. It's just not feasible. It is not easy to stat defense. Trust me. Doing it live is so difficult, and it can be even tougher on video review. There were times I'd have to stop and rewind multiple times to determine which two players were most responsible for a tackle, or if it should be a solo tackle vs. two assists. But I was determined to do it correctly, and we don't have nearly enough people with that integrity these days. (It's why I applaud Cheesz and the transparency he openly invited during Ju'Juan's chase for history.) We have too many guys who just want their players to have gaudy stats and throw tackles around like they're going out of style. As technology continues to improve, Hudl should be able to keep defensive stats automatically. If they can't already, they should soon. I know they can do offensive stats, and in basketball they can do all stats on both ends of the floor, so it makes sense they would be able to hand out a solo tackle or two assists automatically on video review. I hope we get to a point where that technology is used more often so we don't have so many egregiously wrong defensive statistics reported. I find video reviewing to always be so much easier. For us atleast. We have an end zones skycam so that coupled with rewinding and slowing down each play, it is tedious each weekend but that's how I have to do it to have accurate numbers. You can never trust live tackle stats imo, that's why every week after the game I completely redo defensive stats with video so I can know exactly who is in on what play. I will say, someone like Sam Taylor for LCA who had 148 tackles this season (which broke our school records and everything) was extremely helped out by the fact that our offense scores so quick keeping our defense on the field most of the game.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Dec 17, 2023 9:37:38 GMT -6
I do not trust any defensive stats that I see. Period. From anyone. Doesn't matter. Don't trust them. Even someone that I know does a great and professional job like you do. LOL. I have been around this game for a long time, statted the games that I covered as a media member for years, then statted for four years when I was working as part of a high school staff. Never one time in all of the years that I covered has a kid gotten 20 tackles in a single game. Not once. The most I ever had in my four years as an official statistician was 18. This year, I "covered" a game on a livestream review in which one LB had an unbelievable game, so I statted him with 18 tackles. That's still the most I've ever had in a single game. That most that I had in a single season was 92 tackles, and that was a kid who played at a 5A all-state level and went on to sign at the FCS level. Most coaches just throw tackles around like they're candy to a baby. Each play can have either a solo tackle or two assists. I know there are coaches who give out a solo and multiple assists on the same play, which doesn't even make any kind of sense. I guarantee you I can restat a season for any player in Louisiana who claims to have 150+ tackles and they would not have that many. Making 150-200 tackles in a season means you are in on every play. It's just not feasible. It is not easy to stat defense. Trust me. Doing it live is so difficult, and it can be even tougher on video review. There were times I'd have to stop and rewind multiple times to determine which two players were most responsible for a tackle, or if it should be a solo tackle vs. two assists. But I was determined to do it correctly, and we don't have nearly enough people with that integrity these days. (It's why I applaud Cheesz and the transparency he openly invited during Ju'Juan's chase for history.) We have too many guys who just want their players to have gaudy stats and throw tackles around like they're going out of style. As technology continues to improve, Hudl should be able to keep defensive stats automatically. If they can't already, they should soon. I know they can do offensive stats, and in basketball they can do all stats on both ends of the floor, so it makes sense they would be able to hand out a solo tackle or two assists automatically on video review. I hope we get to a point where that technology is used more often so we don't have so many egregiously wrong defensive statistics reported. I find video reviewing to always be so much easier. For us atleast. We have an end zones skycam so that coupled with rewinding and slowing down each play, it is tedious each weekend but that's how I have to do it to have accurate numbers. You can never trust live tackle stats imo, that's why every week after the game I completely redo defensive stats with video so I can know exactly who is in on what play. I will say, someone like Sam Taylor for LCA who had 148 tackles this season (which broke our school records and everything) was extremely helped out by the fact that our offense scores so quick keeping our defense on the field most of the game. You start scoring too quick and it turns into a running clock game where you’d rather not have the starters in… 😂 that needs to be accounted for in stats somehow
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Post by bigrob on Dec 17, 2023 9:54:12 GMT -6
I find video reviewing to always be so much easier. For us atleast. We have an end zones skycam so that coupled with rewinding and slowing down each play, it is tedious each weekend but that's how I have to do it to have accurate numbers. You can never trust live tackle stats imo, that's why every week after the game I completely redo defensive stats with video so I can know exactly who is in on what play. I will say, someone like Sam Taylor for LCA who had 148 tackles this season (which broke our school records and everything) was extremely helped out by the fact that our offense scores so quick keeping our defense on the field most of the game. You start scoring too quick and it turns into a running clock game where you’d rather not have the starters in… 😂 that needs to be accounted for in stats somehow I mean he made up for it by having the odd game like Avoyelles or North Vermillion where he made a gazillion tackles in the first half 😂😂😂
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cheezs
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Post by cheezs on Dec 17, 2023 10:45:01 GMT -6
You start scoring too quick and it turns into a running clock game where you’d rather not have the starters in… 😂 that needs to be accounted for in stats somehow I mean he made up for it by having the odd game like Avoyelles or North Vermillion where he made a gazillion tackles in the first half 😂😂😂 Yeah he had 15 in the first half vs avoyelles this year, and played 1 series in the second half lol
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