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Post by wtiger on Apr 28, 2017 20:51:05 GMT -6
Winnfield upset them in the first game 6-4. Down 7-3 in the 7th of game 2 winnfield came back. Game goes 9 complete innings and winnfield loses due to pitching kid to many innings. Game is called in the 10th. Game 3 tomorrow
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Post by sportschaser on Apr 28, 2017 21:51:05 GMT -6
Now that's news. How did the Winnfield pitcher pitch too many innings? Did umpires call it? Did a phone call go to state office? How does that go down?
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Post by wtiger on Apr 29, 2017 8:40:44 GMT -6
I believe the north webster coach caught it, spoke with the umpires who were later on the phone with someone to get the official ruling.
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Post by wtiger on Apr 29, 2017 12:45:07 GMT -6
Knights win game 3 6-2.
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Post by coach1611 on Apr 29, 2017 19:36:50 GMT -6
So how many innings did the kid pitch? How does the coach not know that?
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Post by coach4christ on Apr 29, 2017 20:47:22 GMT -6
From the info I gathered, second hand, the kid threw 4 2/3 in the first game. The second game went into extras and they brought him back. The playoff pitching rule states that if a player pitches 4 innings, he shall not pitch the next game.
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Post by sportschaser on Apr 29, 2017 21:44:33 GMT -6
The particular rule states that if a pitcher pitches more than 4 innings, a pitcher can't pitch in the next "calendar day"........not same day... so he should have been able to pitch in game 2 if he just went 4 2/3. Certainly more to the story.........Appreciate any info you get. This is an unusual situation.
By rule.....A pitcher is limited to 14 innings in a calendar week and no more than 9 innings in one game or no more than 10 innings in a 3 day period.
Haven't heard of this happening before.... but it's on the coach for not keeping up with that what ever went down.
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Post by coach4christ on Apr 29, 2017 21:54:19 GMT -6
The particular rule states that if a pitcher pitches more than 4 innings, a pitcher can't pitch in the next "calendar day"........not same day... so he should have been able to pitch in game 2 if he just went 4 2/3. Certainly more to the story.........Appreciate any info you get. This is an unusual situation. By rule.....A pitcher is limited to 14 innings in a calendar week and no more than 9 innings in one game or no more than 10 innings in a 3 day period. Haven't heard of this happening before.... but it's on the coach for not keeping up with that what ever went down. Nope. Here is the rule directly from the playoff bulliten. 10.11.6 Classes 5A, 4A, 3A and 2A and Divisions I, II and III Playoff Pitching Rules: The following rules shall apply for each round of the playoffs and for the semi-final and finals together as one round. 1. A pitcher shall be limited to ten (10) innings per round or game. 2. If a pitcher throws more than four (4) innings in a game, he may not pitch in the next game. a. One pitch will constitute an inning. b. The limitations shall not carry over to the next round. |
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Post by sportschaser on Apr 29, 2017 22:22:18 GMT -6
I see there has been an update.....the original rule is still in the handbook without being omitted. "Calender day" is the original wording
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Post by blutoblutarsky on Apr 30, 2017 13:24:28 GMT -6
Another interesting side note is that the rule also clearly states that the player that is in violation and the head coach are suspended for the next game.
The player and the coach both participated in Game 3 .
Can someone explain how that happened?
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Post by indy on Apr 30, 2017 13:33:36 GMT -6
Another interesting side note is that the rule also clearly states that the player that is in violation and the head coach are suspended for the next game. The player and the coach both participated in Game 3 . Can someone explain how that happened? L.H.S.A.A. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 18:16:08 GMT -6
It's also funny that north webster waited until the kid that threw 2/3 over the max limit according to lhsaa playoff bulletin pulled the trigger on the appeal after he shoved two innings in extras the second game. Dude was at 97 pitches and a total of 6 2/3 innings. And he was pulled as soon as it was brought to attention! And I agree the coach should not have been able to coach and the player should have not been able to play! I also think it's ridiculous for a 2 seed to try to appeal a game against a team you should beat over 2/3 of and inning when it was brought to the opposing teams attention and the kid was pulled
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Post by coach4christ on Apr 30, 2017 21:37:28 GMT -6
The coach should have known the rules. That loss is on him.
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Post by blutoblutarsky on Apr 30, 2017 22:20:29 GMT -6
The coach should have known the rules. That loss is on him. Bingo |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 10:22:03 GMT -6
PLAYOFF PITCHING RULES
10.4 PITCHING RULE:
1. A pitcher may pitch a maximum of 14 innings in a calendar week and a of
10 innings over any consecutive three-day period. The week long period will begin
on Monday and end on the following Sunday. A pitcher may not pitch more than
nine (9) innings in any one game. If a pitcher pitches in four (4) or more innings in a
game, he may not enter the game as a pitcher the next calendar day.
2. One pitch to a batter or the attempt of a play as the pitcher (ex. pickoff play) shall
constitute one inning toward the pitcher’s limit.
3. Opposing coaches are to exchange a written record of the pitchers used, innings
thrown, and the dates pitched for games played previously that calendar week when
exchanging lineup cards. Coaches should also keep a cumulative written record that
must be available upon request for review by the LHSAA.
4. If a team is found to have violated this rule, it must forfeit the game in which the
infraction occurred. The player in violation and the head coach shall also be
suspended for the next scheduled game after the in-fraction is declared by the
LHSAA.
5. These rules would apply to the regular season and playoffs. These limitations shall
not carry over to the next round of the playoffs.
6. Pitching in the playoffs for Classes 5A, 4A, 3A, 2A and Divisions I, II and III shall still be
governed by Rule 10.11.6.
10.11.6 Classes 5A, 4A, 3A and 2A and Divisions I, II and III Playoff Pitching
Rules:
The following rules shall apply for each round of the playoffs and for the semi-final and finals
together as one round.
1. A pitcher shall be limited to ten (10) innings per round or game.
2. If a pitcher throws more than four (4) innings in a game, he may not pitch in the next game.
a. One pitch will constitute an inning.
b. The limitations shall not carry over to the next round.
If the rules apply for the maximum of ten innings after the four innings are pitched. The player in question should have been allowed to throw 5 1/3 innings. So you're playing by two separate rules.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 11:51:36 GMT -6
PLAYOFF PITCHING RULES 10.4 PITCHING RULE: 1. A pitcher may pitch a maximum of 14 innings in a calendar week and a of 10 innings over any consecutive three-day period. The week long period will begin on Monday and end on the following Sunday. A pitcher may not pitch more than nine (9) innings in any one game. If a pitcher pitches in four (4) or more innings in a game, he may not enter the game as a pitcher the next calendar day. 2. One pitch to a batter or the attempt of a play as the pitcher (ex. pickoff play) shall constitute one inning toward the pitcher’s limit. 3. Opposing coaches are to exchange a written record of the pitchers used, innings thrown, and the dates pitched for games played previously that calendar week when exchanging lineup cards. Coaches should also keep a cumulative written record that must be available upon request for review by the LHSAA. 4. If a team is found to have violated this rule, it must forfeit the game in which the infraction occurred. The player in violation and the head coach shall also be suspended for the next scheduled game after the in-fraction is declared by the LHSAA. 5. These rules would apply to the regular season and playoffs. These limitations shall not carry over to the next round of the playoffs. 6. Pitching in the playoffs for Classes 5A, 4A, 3A, 2A and Divisions I, II and III shall still be governed by Rule 10.11.6. 10.11.6 Classes 5A, 4A, 3A and 2A and Divisions I, II and III Playoff Pitching Rules: The following rules shall apply for each round of the playoffs and for the semi-final and finals together as one round. 1. A pitcher shall be limited to ten (10) innings per round or game. 2. If a pitcher throws more than four (4) innings in a game, he may not pitch in the next game. a. One pitch will constitute an inning. b. The limitations shall not carry over to the next round. If the rules apply for the maximum of ten innings after the four innings are pitched. The player in question should have been allowed to throw 5 1/3 innings. So you're playing by two separate rules. The rule was clarified in the playoff bulletin Bill. |
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Post by coach4christ on May 2, 2017 15:54:11 GMT -6
Once again, this is copied and pasted from the "playoff bulliten." Every coach is constantly reminded to read said bulliten and be familiar with it before the playoffs begin.
10.11.6 Classes 5A, 4A, 3A and 2A and Divisions I, II and III Playoff Pitching Rules:
The following rules shall apply for each round of the playoffs and for the semi-final and finals together as one round.
1. A pitcher shall be limited to ten (10) innings per round or game.
2. If a pitcher throws more than four (4) innings in a game, he may not pitch in the next game.
a. One pitch will constitute an inning.
b. The limitations shall not carry over to the next round.
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Post by sportschaser on May 3, 2017 16:08:36 GMT -6
I will explain rather than act all holier than thou like everyone was supposed to know this. These bulletins go to coaches, and yes it has been updated and yes the Winnfield coach should have known.
The handbook rules on pitching as in "10.4" have been updated with an addendum added to the end of the rules per "10.11.6" The old rules are still in the handbook and were not omitted.... there fore the confusion for those who don't get LHSAA emails from the state did not know that indeed there was an update. The new updated rules are at the end of the handbook rules and have indeed been replaced and the "calendar day" has been replaced with "next game".
Not that it matters, but the new rule should have replaced the old wording in the LHSAA handbook, instead of just adding it on the end without reference, so brilliant coaches who know the rules so well, wouldn't be the only one to know the rule was updated.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 16:21:32 GMT -6
The playoff bulletin sent to all coaches is posted on this thread. Whats done is done. One rule was broken and according to the bulletin and what is says in 11.4 what was down was legal. Point is the rule contradicts itself multiple times! If the rule according to a pitcher throwing more then four and sitting a game instead of the next game it should have never been in the playoff bulletin! Period
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 16:41:48 GMT -6
10.4 I apologize
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Post by coach4christ on May 3, 2017 18:09:37 GMT -6
The playoff bulliten governs the playoffs, hence its name. Go to lhsaa.org, go to baseball, scroll through the forms and downloads. The playoff bulliten is there for everyone to see.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 18:20:05 GMT -6
I posted straight from the playoff bulletin. And it states you can throw 14 innings in a calendar week 10 in a 3 day period. Nine total innings in a game.if dude throws more than four he sits the next calendar day. And all of that applies to regular season and PLAYOFFS!!!!! So does the ruling that says dude can throw ten total but can't throw 4 or more and pitch the next game! You can't have two pitching a rules buddy for a playoff and according to the RULES and verbiage there is! Go actually read and absorb the info!
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Post by coach4christ on May 3, 2017 19:10:23 GMT -6
If you were as smart as you claim Buddy, you would know that rule 10.11.6 applies to classes 5A, 4A, 3A and 2A and Divisions I, II and III.
Playoff Pitching Rules to be followed:
The playoff pitching rules (Rule 10.11.6) apply to Classes 5A, 4A, 3A, 2A and Divisions I, II and III only.
The pitching rule (Rule 10.4) applies to classes 1A, B, C and Divisions IV and V for the playoffs.
Straight from the bulliten. So maybe you need to read and absorb. Don't get your feelings hurt when you don't know what your talking about.
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Post by blutoblutarsky on May 3, 2017 19:23:01 GMT -6
Don't stress over bill.
He is the kid that threw too many pitches or his daddy.
They are going to cry foul no matter what you show them about the rules
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Post by coach4christ on May 3, 2017 19:26:03 GMT -6
Thanks bluto. I'm not stressed at all. I just don't like it when people spread false information like its the truth.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 19:32:38 GMT -6
Well if it does apply these schools 1A, B, C and Divisions IV and V for the playoffs which is not stated in the bulletin genius it should be stated in the playoff bulletin!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 19:41:24 GMT -6
I'm not the kid or his father. You say another thing about em we'll have serious problem! We're talking about lhsaa playoff rules! For you to bring a kid into it says a lot about you guys! Probably coach travel ball and coach kids up to throw breaking balls at the age of ten because it gets kids out instead of teaching em a change up and let em throw fastballs to build arm strength
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Post by coach4christ on May 3, 2017 19:45:33 GMT -6
Dude I copied and pasted it from the playoff bulliten. Read the playoff bulliten once. Yes it has boring things like. Never mind. I will copy and paste, once again the playoff pitching rules straight from the bulliten.
Playoff Pitching Rules to be followed:
The playoff pitching rules (Rule 10.11.6) apply to Classes 5A, 4A, 3A, 2A and Divisions I, II and III only.
The pitching rule (Rule 10.4) applies to classes 1A, B, C and Divisions IV and V for the playoffs.
See Pitching Rule and Pitching Form in this Bulletin. CLASS ADOPTED PLAYOFF PLANS
Classes 4A, 2A, 1A, B and C - Playoff games shall not be played on dates that conflict with district, regional, or state track and field meets without mutual agreement of both schools.
Class B – No playoff game shall be held the day following the regional or state track meets unless mutually agreed on by both school.
Classes 5A, 4A, 3A, 2A and Divisions I, II and III – The Regional and Quarterfinal Rounds of play shall be a best 2 of 3 series. Please refer to rules 10.11.4.6, 10.11.5 and 10.11.6 of the 2016-2017 LHSAA Handbook for the best 2 out of 3 series guidelines and pitching
PLAYOFF PITCHING RULES
10.4 PITCHING RULE:
1. A pitcher may pitch a maximum of 14 innings in a calendar week and a maximum of
10 innings over any consecutive three-day period. The week long period will begin on Monday and end on the following Sunday. A pitcher may not pitch more than nine (9) innings in any one game. If a pitcher pitches in four (4) or more innings in a game, he may not enter the game as a pitcher the next calendar day.
2. One pitch to a batter or the attempt of a play as the pitcher (ex. pickoff play) shall constitute one inning toward the pitcher’s limit.
3. Opposing coaches are to exchange a written record of the pitchers used, innings thrown, and the dates pitched for games played previously that calendar week when exchanging lineup cards. Coaches should also keep a cumulative written record that must be available upon request for review by the LHSAA.
4. If a team is found to have violated this rule, it must forfeit the game in which the infraction occurred. The player in violation and the head coach shall also be suspended for the next scheduled game after the in-fraction is declared by the LHSAA.
5. These rules would apply to the regular season and playoffs. These limitations shall not carry over to the next round of the playoffs.
6. Pitching in the playoffs for Classes 5A, 4A, 3A, 2A and Divisions I, II and III shall still be governed by Rule 10.11.6.
10.11.6 Classes 5A, 4A, 3A and 2A and Divisions I, II and III Playoff Pitching Rules:
The following rules shall apply for each round of the playoffs and for the semi-final and finals together as one round.
1. A pitcher shall be limited to ten (10) innings per round or game.
2. If a pitcher throws more than four (4) innings in a game, he may not pitch in the next game.
a. One pitch will constitute an inning.
b. The limitations shall not carry over to the next round.
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Post by coach4christ on May 3, 2017 19:49:05 GMT -6
And by the way, I don't have a clue who you are, I really don't care. I just don't want false information spread when it's too easy to look up yourself. Whether or not you agree with the rule or not, it is plainly spelled out in the bulliten. No one at fault but the coach for either not reading it or misunderstanding it.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 20:24:54 GMT -6
Hey fellas its playoff time let the bad Carma go and let the good in everyone has a team there rooting for not everyone can win. My son had several scholarship offers to ball in college tbut decided to serve his country not my dream for him but what he wanted to do. Life is short dont waste what ya got left arguing about junk that in the long run dont mean a hill of beans. Be thankful you got to watch them as long as tou can cause it will be over before you no it.
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